From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #154 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, May 28 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 154 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni at Commonwealth continued [jrmco1@aol.com] RE: This year's Jonifest in France [ReckersL@ebrd.com] Rock Star [jrmco1@aol.com] Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover [Bob Muller ] Re: Rock Star (Timothy White's Joni interview) [Bob Muller ] RE: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover [Bob Muller ] Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover [atel79@dsl.pipex.com] Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover [tejas4x4@aol.com] Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover [Em ] Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover [jrmco1@aol.com] Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: Real Good, For Free, 100% JC ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 03:44:35 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni at Commonwealth continued Nicely done again, Kakki. So cool to revisit this! I just love her vernacular and stream-of consciousness speaking style. Let me fill in your blanks here for ya, girlfriend: - - 1st _____. That would be "Scorpio," right? Like me...? - - 2nd _____ ____. And the answer is: the "DAILY DOUBLE!?" No, I'm just jerking your chain. She referred to New York Village Voice magazine writer and columnist "Greg Tate," who wrote a humorous piece entitled "How Black is Joni Mitchell?" He read it to her and those assembled at McGill U. in Canada, when they made Joni a "doctor" and had a scholarly 2-day Joni-Mitchell-is-a-Genius seminar, which she attended to everyone's surprise and delight! I haven't read/heard Tate's piece yet. Naturally, I'm dying to get my grubby hands/ears on/around it. - - 3rd ______. Write in: "radio"; "...radio friendly" Thanks again, Kakki. Such a fun read. - -Julius - -----Original Message----- From: Kakki To: Michael Paz ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:39:39 -0700 Subject: Re: Joni at Commonwealth continued Here is some more of Joni. I simply could not pick up/hear the moderator's questions and comments but Joni's voice stood out (mostly) very clear so only her commentary is included here: ********** I learned to play guitar in standard tuning but I'm born _______ a week under the "Discoverer" which usually favors scientists so I have this peculiar need to be original and (to go) where no one else has been, which is kind of a scientific proclivity. So all the chords in standard tuning sound happy to me -- whereas most people like the familiarity of it, I create chords that you couldn't get off the guitar and my friend Debbie Green's husband and boyfriend, Eric Anderson, showed me open G tuning which is what the old black blues players played - which is banjo tuning translated to the guitar. And that motivated me to a considerable degree. And then after that I began to just twiddle around to open chords and sometimes I would tune it like a rava (sp?) to the environment. I had kind of beach tunings so the region where you have songbirds, nature plays in regional keys. Like even in Los Angeles we went out and recorded crickets and one day they were singing in one key - all of them, and another day they were singing in another key - all of them. So areas tune themselves in a certain way for whatever reason. So then I began to do that - like tune to areas and then also to tune to chords. Like supposing I had something that had struck in my craw - a particular emotion that was still raw and unfocused but wanting to come out. I would twiddle the guitar knobs around until I found a modality that was emotionally kindred. Some of these chords were then too emotionally complex for white people but black people had no problem with it. I just had my doctorate of music and ____ ____ spoke and one of the things that he said was "is she so black that she thinks 11th and 13th chords are ____ friendly?" Brazilians were able to tolerate or thrill to a greater harmonic power whereas Western mind again seemed to like its tragedy minor and its happiness major and the most complex emotion it could take would be a 7th chord. You know, my daughter was at large, like "where's my girl, where's my girl?" That's a dissonance in my life for many years. "Are they going to drop the bomb, are they going to drop the bomb?" There's another dissonance. I spent my whole life with these complex dissonances and felt that majors and minors were too simplistic to express how it was I felt. So even (with a) happy feeling there would be a tension line of a second, like a little irritating buzz running through a major chord (that) suited me just fine. *********** Kakki NP: Keiki O Ka 'Aina - Robi Kahakalau ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:46:49 +0100 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: RE: This year's Jonifest in France Sorry for the late reaction, but Jody and Scott signing up, that's EXCELLENT news! Laurent, how about sending the list of all names again, as per popular request? And I just saw that the Euro is at its lowest against the dollar for something like 7 months, so that's a positive trend too! Lieve in London. - -----Original Message----- From: Laurent Olszer [mailto:olszer@xlsecurity.com] Sent: 25 May 2005 13:34 To: ReckersL@ebrd.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: This year's Jonifest in France Thanks Lieve for posting. The info you pasted is a little old, all latest is indeed at www.jmdl.com/jonifest Scott & Jody just booked the last room at Fargo this week. So we now have about 25 participants. And luckily for me most of the people I was curious to meet are coming over! We are sort of holding some B&Bs in standby for procrastinators. Laurent EBRD SECURITY NOTICE This email has been virus scanned ______________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. Although we have taken steps to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, the EBRD accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by computer viruses and would advise you to carry out your own virus checks. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:30:46 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Rock Star Hi you all. I can't sleep. May I transcribe? It's not just some random Joni-writings, but I don't want to go all synchro on you, here in the wee hours. Suffice it to say I won't be disrespecting Billboard.com anymore. And I need to keep reading my buddhist thought. Like there's no tomorrow, I do. Just got another Joni-content book by mail today. _Rock Stars_, by one Timothy White (1984, Stuart, Tabori & Chang publishers; NY, NY). Joni Mitchell is featured prominently in this endearing and beautiful photograph folio/biographical book. Also features Clapton, Aretha, Jaggar, everybody big... You know. Rock stars. I bought it on a whim, of which I have many. (Does it show?) Moving on... Want to read a brief excerpt about Joni Mitchell by a truly gifted writer? Please check this out. A brief press release on the author, which I just googled, follows the excerpt. Sadly, it bears relevance to this piece. I had no idea. I knew the book was rare. Now I also know it's a "keeper." : _______ Joni Mitchell, by Timothy White The French poet Alphonse De Lamartine has written, "God has placed the genius of women in their hearts because the works of this genius are always the works of love." Yet love, like hate, is a natural exaggerator, seeking outlets but never limits, the unrelenting fire of life that either purifies or consumes. Like the erotica of Anais Nin, the songs of Joni Mitchell express the experiences of physical and spiritual love solely from a purposeful woman's vantage point. Through an often angry admission of her emotional weakness for, and dependence on, the opposite sex, of her foolhardy miscomprehensions and unrewarded acts of faith, and of her ability, however imperfect, to make the process of self-love and the search for romantic fulfillment compatible, she has forged a fresh image of the autonomous female artist. It is not a political representation, tied to trends or movements like Women's Liberation, but a forceful announcement of her own singularity. She began by embodying the archetypal fair-haired hippy-chick singer, ornamenting the male folk-rock enclave, taking lovers (Graham Nash, James Taylor) from among her associates, yet making it plain that they were her peers, that she claimed co-ownership of the experiences, and that she reserved the right to think out loud about them. Mitchell, like the rest of the obstinate rock and roll community, was on the way to satisfying herself, and she made no bones about it. David Crosby- who is credited with discovering her in a club in Coconut Grove, Florida, and who produced her first album, STAS- is said to have commented once that his colleague was "about as humble as Mussolini." Perhaps, but certainly no more arrogant than David Crosby. She has insisted on having her own mind, and she has flourished in a contest where she found she was "outside the uniform of rock and roll, and it annoyed people." ___________________________ June 27, 2002, 5:05 PM ET Billboard Editor In Chief Timothy White Dies Timothy White, Billboard's editor in chief and a giant of music journalism, died suddenly today in New York. He was 50. White apparently suffered a heart attack after returning to the Billboard offices from lunch with a long-time friend. He was unable to be revived after being rushed to St. Vincent's Hospital, where he was pronounced dead. White leaves behind his wife, Judy, and their 10-year-old twin sons, Christopher and Alexander. White's sudden passing left the Billboard offices in a state of shock. His dynamic presence has been the dominant force in Billboard's newsroom since he joined the magazine in January 1991. Known for his probing essays on industry concerns, White tackled controversial issues with passionate resolve. His final column will appear in the July 6 issue of Billboard, available tomorrow. White's journalism career included stints with the AP and Crawdaddy and a long association with Rolling Stone, where he established his reputation as a foremost celebrity interviewer. Along the way, he established lasting friendships with many of the music world's biggest stars. He was the author of numerous books, including "Catch a Fire: The Life of Bob Marley"; "The Nearest Faraway Place: Brian Wilson, The Beach Boys and The Southern California Experience"; "Rock Lives: Profiles & Interviews"; "Music To My Ears: The Billboard Essays--Portraits of Popular Music in the '90s"; and "Long Ago and Far Away: James Taylor, His Life and Music." Funeral arrangements are pending. A more detailed tribute to White will appear on this site tomorrow. ____ Rest in peace, Timothy White. Down here, I'll be reading you. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 04:34:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover I guess I don't see the irony, Julius - after all, the song contrasts the singer (Crow in this case, who surely has played on the corner for free at some point) with the amateur street clarinetist...she's sleeping in a good hotel, shopping for joo-wells and playing for fortunes as opposed to the guy playing real good in the dirty town to apathetic passers-by. I see the song as a pretty good fit for anyone who has made that transformation; like Joni, like Sheryl, etc. Like so many of Joni's best songs, it's such a masterpiece because she doesn't fill in all of the blanks for the listener...does she now resent the fame she's earned? Does she long once again for the carefree days of playing at her own whim? Is she upset because nobody is paying him any attention? Is she upset with herself for not putting on the harmony? Those answers are up to you, and that makes US a participant in the song - Joni's masterful skill at drawing us in. That's news to me to, dude - and good news at that! I don't know if it's yet another false alarm, but I guess we'll be finding out soon enough. Thanks for posting about it. Bob NP: Cracker, "Low" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 04:45:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Rock Star (Timothy White's Joni interview) The rest of the piece can be found in the library: http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=390 Like Julius says, it's a good'n. Bob NP: Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, "In Like The Rose" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:55:22 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover That's why I put "irony" in quotes, Bob. It's not ironic, per se, just like it's not in the Alanis song. But that's neither here nor there. My point is: where's the authenticity? As I recall, Crow was widely panned by her musician friends of the time for allegedly appropriating their collective material for her own solo album. Doesn't quite fill the starving artist bill, does she? Still, that was just alleged. I know that pithy little beach ditty she made a mint on last year didn't exactly have her coming off like Tracy Chapman or someone. It's another case of me not being able to suspend my disbelief, I guess. Sheryl Crow hasn't been harmonizing with Sunset jazz-bums on the boulevard in Los Angeles. She's been riding Lance Armstrong like Seabiscuit for the past year, probably in Cannes or someplace "special." It's all right there in the press release. That's harsh. Sorry. I'm tired. Condi Rice in a few hours in S.F. Must sleep a few winks at least. - -Juliuis - -----Original Message----- From: Bob Muller To: jrmco1@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 27 May 2005 04:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover I guess I don't see the irony, Julius - after all, the song contrasts the singer (Crow in this case, who surely has played on the corner for free at some point) with the amateur street clarinetist...she's sleeping in a good hotel, shopping for joo-wells and playing for fortunes as opposed to the guy playing real good in the dirty town to apathetic passers-by. I see the song as a pretty good fit for anyone who has made that transformation; like Joni, like Sheryl, etc. Like so many of Joni's best songs, it's such a masterpiece because she doesn't fill in all of the blanks for the listener...does she now resent the fame she's earned? Does she long once again for the carefree days of playing at her own whim? Is she upset because nobody is paying him any attention? Is she upset with herself for not putting on the harmony? Those answers are up to you, and that makes US a participant in the song - Joni's masterful skill at drawing us in. That's news to me to, dude - and good news at that! I don't know if it's yet another false alarm, but I guess we'll be finding out soon enough. Thanks for posting about it. Bob NP: Cracker, "Low" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:09:11 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover I agree with you that there's no irony in Crow doing the song, but S.C.'s stuff just leaves me cold. The contrast between her and a real musician was clear to me when I saw her at the Jacksonville Vote for Change concert with Bonnie Raitt on the same bill (also Keb Mo' who is good, but also has too many easy listening moments for my taste). Bonnie, to put it bluntly has soul and wit and heart--and Crow is, well, kind of calculating and bloodless in her performance--and in her songwriting as well. (Bonnie also has one of the finest Joni covers in "Midway," though I am no covers expert, like you.) I can't get too excited over a performance of "For Free" (not one of my favorite Joni songs either, I'm afraid) but I can get excited over a Joni Tribute album--if it happens. And who knows, maybe even Crow will be good--the only place she's ever really shone, for me, was on the Gram Parsons tribute, esp. her duet with Emmylou on "Juanita." Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 7:34 AM To: jrmco1@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover I guess I don't see the irony, Julius - after all, the song contrasts the singer (Crow in this case, who surely has played on the corner for free at some point) with the amateur street clarinetist...she's sleeping in a good hotel, shopping for joo-wells and playing for fortunes as opposed to the guy playing real good in the irty town to apathetic passers-by. I see the song as a pretty good fit for anyone who has made that transformation; like Joni, like Sheryl, etc. Like so many of Joni's best songs, it's such a masterpiece because she doesn't fill in all of the blanks for the listener...does she now resent the fame she's earned? Does she long once again for the carefree days of playing at her own whim? Is she upset because nobody is paying him any attention? Is she upset with herself for not putting on the harmony? Those answers are up to you, and that makes US a participant in the song - Joni's masterful skill at drawing us in. That's news to me to, dude - and good news at that! I don't know if it's yet another false alarm, but I guess we'll be finding out soon enough. Thanks for posting about it. Bob NP: Cracker, "Low" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 05:37:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: RE: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover To be sure, Richard - there's no comparing Bonnie & Sheryl. I enjoyed her (Sheryl's) first couple of releases and then she went way-high-gloss pop and lost me - not my cup of tea. Bonnie's had her ups & downs but even at her worst she's soulful and engaging. < (Bonnie also has one of the finest Joni covers in "Midway," though I am no covers expert, like you.)> You don't have to be an expert to recognize that...one of the best of the best, and one of the few to blow Joni's own version out of the water - and in my *expert* opinion, not too many of them do. Bob NP: Robbie Robertson, "Broken Arrow" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:23:33 +0100 From: atel79@dsl.pipex.com Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover Quoting jrmco1@aol.com: > That's why I put "irony" in quotes, Bob. It's not ironic, per se, just > like it's not in the Alanis song. But that's neither here nor there. > > My point is: where's the authenticity? As I recall, Crow was widely > panned by her musician friends of the time for allegedly appropriating > their collective material for her own solo album. Doesn't quite fill > the starving artist bill, does she? I'm still not seeing your point about authenticity, Julius. Are you saying that only a poor person can cover this song? Joni may not have been very rich when she wrote it, but she wasn't poor; as Bob has already pointed out, the song lends itself to being sung by anyone, notwithstanding one's personal taste of course. As far as her debut album goes, I don't have it in front of me right now, but my recollection is that nearly all of the songs are credited as co-writes with various members of the eponymous Tuesday Night Music Club, and that she writes very effusively about what great musicians they are and how much she had making the record with them. I wouldn't call that appropriating others' material, especially with the implication that she was taking all the credit. Then again, I don't know what the beef was, exactly, and I'm not sure you do either. It's clear you just don't like Sheryl Crow, which is cool, a good old fashioned matter of opinion. I would take issue with one thing you said about her, though, in your last post: that she wasn't a real musician (that may be paraphrase, but I don't think I'm misrepresenting what you said, at least I hope not). I think this is simply unfair. She is a more than competent multi- instrumentalist, being particularly nifty on the bass, and played probably half the instruments on her second album. For what it's worth, I believe Sheryl's debut is a better record than anything Joni has done since it appeared, and one of the great debuts of the 90s. And although I'd agree with you (up to a point) about her subsequent stuff, which is nothing like as good, and indeed suggests that she works best with collaborators like the TNMC, I can't believe that you could listen to Strong Enough or We Do What We Can and find her singing bloodless. > Sheryl Crow hasn't been harmonizing with Sunset jazz-bums on the > boulevard in Los Angeles. She's been riding Lance Armstrong like > Seabiscuit for the past year, probably in Cannes or someplace > "special." It's all right there in the press release. As you acknowledged, that is a really low blow. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:09:03 -0400 From: tejas4x4@aol.com Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover I think Sheryl Crow is one of the best artists that's surfaced in the last decade IMO. She is REAL, creative and she really knows how to write a song. A lot of old time musicians look up to her. Frank - -----Original Message----- From: atel79@dsl.pipex.com To: jrmco1@aol.com Cc: scjoniguy@yahoo.com; joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:23:33 +0100 Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover Quoting jrmco1@aol.com: > That's why I put "irony" in quotes, Bob. It's not ironic, per se, just > like it's not in the Alanis song. But that's neither here nor there. > > My point is: where's the authenticity? As I recall, Crow was widely > panned by her musician friends of the time for allegedly appropriating > their collective material for her own solo album. Doesn't quite fill > the starving artist bill, does she? I'm still not seeing your point about authenticity, Julius. Are you saying that only a poor person can cover this song? Joni may not have been very rich when she wrote it, but she wasn't poor; as Bob has already pointed out, the song lends itself to being sung by anyone, notwithstanding one's personal taste of course. As far as her debut album goes, I don't have it in front of me right now, but my recollection is that nearly all of the songs are credited as co-writes with various members of the eponymous Tuesday Night Music Club, and that she writes very effusively about what great musicians they are and how much she had making the record with them. I wouldn't call that appropriating others' material, especially with the implication that she was taking all the credit. Then again, I don't know what the beef was, exactly, and I'm not sure you do either. It's clear you just don't like Sheryl Crow, which is cool, a good old fashioned matter of opinion. I would take issue with one thing you said about her, though, in your last post: that she wasn't a real musician (that may be paraphrase, but I don't think I'm misrepresenting what you said, at least I hope not). I think this is simply unfair. She is a more than competent multi- instrumentalist, being particularly nifty on the bass, and played probably half the instruments on her second album. For what it's worth, I believe Sheryl's debut is a better record than anything Joni has done since it appeared, and one of the great debuts of the 90s. And although I'd agree with you (up to a point) about her subsequent stuff, which is nothing like as good, and indeed suggests that she works best with collaborators like the TNMC, I can't believe that you could listen to Strong Enough or We Do What We Can and find her singing bloodless. > Sheryl Crow hasn't been harmonizing with Sunset jazz-bums on the > boulevard in Los Angeles. She's been riding Lance Armstrong like > Seabiscuit for the past year, probably in Cannes or someplace > "special." It's all right there in the press release. As you acknowledged, that is a really low blow. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:56:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover .....and she has really great taste in guitars! :) em << I think Sheryl Crow is one of the best artists that's surfaced in the > last decade IMO. She is REAL, creative and she really knows how to > write a song. A lot of old time musicians look up to her. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 18:08:57 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover Hi Azeem! I'm glad you wrote on this. I've been wanting to discuss something with you, because I've always had a lot of respect for the intelligence of your posts. And now I've got an opportunity to tell you that. Thanks for all the food for thought over the time you've been on the list! Now I'll try to explain my little Crow rant: Azeem queried: <> No. I'm not saying only a poor person can cover this song. That would make no sense at all. It's a song written from the perspective of a fairly well-to-do musician-type character. What I'm saying is that one of the most salient attributes of Joni's songwriting genius, and a quality that elevates her work way above that of Sheryl's ilk, is her didacticism. When I listen to a Joni song like "For Free," I instinctively know that the song is invariably: 1) designed or intended to teach 2) intended to convey instruction and information as well as pleasure and entertainment, and, perhaps most profoundly, to 3) make moral observations. I don't think Sheryl has quite grasped what Joni was trying to teach people exactly like Ms. Crow! "For Free" screams to her "Hey, do as I say, not as I did! Be better than me for having listened to my hard-earned lessons learned! Stop at the corner, forchristsake! Reach down and pull someone up every now and then...it costs you nothing! Humble yourself! I'm a narcissist and I can't, but maybe you can, because, I'm telling you what I know, that would be the right thing to do! " That, to me, is how art works. Look at Lenny Bruce. He was like, hey man, don't be like me. Learn from me! Not sure that is the good example, but that's the best I can do at the moment. Thanks for asking. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 18:51:31 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover Julius, I hear you. Here's my take: The song "Real Good- For Free" isn't about the street musician. It's about a "famous", wealthy celebrity LOOKING at a street musician. It's about a "success story" pausing for a millisecond and muttering to herself, >Wow. There, but for the grace of God, go I.> In the next millisecond, it's off to Geffen's pool for a few hours in the chaise chair, poolside, with a margarita. Behind my bolt-locked door, this is an artful choice of material for Ms. Sheryl Crow, the pop icon, right now. 2 cents, Jim Julius said, >My point is: where's the authenticity? As I recall, Crow was widely panned by her musician friends of the time for allegedly appropriating their collective material for her own solo album. Doesn't quite fill the starving artist bill, does she? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 23:56:33 +0100 From: "Ric Robinson" Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover > Julius, > I hear you. Here's my take: The song "Real Good- For Free" isn't about > the street musician. It's about a "famous", wealthy celebrity LOOKING > at a street musician. It's about a "success story" pausing for a > millisecond and muttering to herself, > > >Wow. There, but for the grace of God, go I.> > > In the next millisecond, it's off to Geffen's pool for a few hours in > the chaise chair, poolside, with a margarita. > > Behind my bolt-locked door, this is an artful choice of material for Ms. > Sheryl Crow, the pop icon, right now. > > 2 cents, > Jim > > %%% That's my take on the song too. I quite like Ms Crow, but not as much as Lance Armstrong! Ric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:01:47 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Real Good, For Free, 100% JC On the topic of "Real Good", I'll add this, in case there are some true fans who don't have the "Refuge Of the Roads" video (DVD, VHS). My favorite edition of this song (and "Sweet Bird") is in this video. Each one has a visual context that is among Joni's many brilliant ideas. There are some other surprises in this video too. As a whole, it has some highs and lows, (unlike S&L which is ALL highs.) It costs less than S&L which seems fair to me. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:23:11 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Real Good, For Free, 100% JC Jim I too like the Refuge video. The MUSIC in S&L is ALL high. But the videography looks pretty dated not (though it didn't in the olden days when I watched my now-retired Beta copy). Still love the Rebel Without a Cause stuff, though! Even better was seeing the S&L tour at Meriwether Post Pavilion in Columbia, MD. Joni and all those great musicians were mesmerizing in the way videotape just can't capture! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 7:02 PM To: JMDL Subject: Real Good, For Free, 100% JC On the topic of "Real Good", I'll add this, in case there are some true fans who don't have the "Refuge Of the Roads" video (DVD, VHS). My favorite edition of this song (and "Sweet Bird") is in this video. Each one has a visual context that is among Joni's many brilliant ideas. There are some other surprises in this video too. As a whole, it has some highs and lows, (unlike S&L which is ALL highs.) It costs less than S&L which seems fair to me. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:29:28 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: Real Good, For Free, 100% JC You know what my favorite rendition of "For Free" on video is? "Joni Mitchell in Concert on BBC, 1970." Just watched it and I can't see how Sheryl Crow can bring the authentic humility to this song the way Joni imbues "For Free" with it. And did Sheryl take up piano recently, by the way? Poor choice by Sheryl to cover, in my humble. But life goes on. - -Julius - -----Original Message----- From: Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu To: JMDL Sent: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:01:47 -0400 Subject: Real Good, For Free, 100% JC On the topic of "Real Good", I'll add this, in case there are some true fans who don't have the "Refuge Of the Roads" video (DVD, VHS). My favorite edition of this song (and "Sweet Bird") is in this video. Each one has a visual context that is among Joni's many brilliant ideas. There are some other surprises in this video too. As a whole, it has some highs and lows, (unlike S&L which is ALL highs.) It costs less than S&L which seems fair to me. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:00:16 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: R&R Hall of Fame Joni, circa 1997 Hi gang. Just wanted to let you all know that the seller I got the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame program from just informed me that he has a "couple more" available. I put dibs on them, in case somebody here on the JMDL should want them. I think I paid $15 US for mine. Email me off list if interested, please. First come, first served type deal, I guess. - -Julius - -----Original Message----- From: JRMCo1 To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Wed, 25 May 2005 19:54:37 -0400 Subject: R&R Hall of Fame Joni, circa 1997 Everybody likes to diss ebay, but I've actually acquired some pretty cool stuff there, Joni-wise. I'm tickled pink at my latest procurement: a mint copy of the Official 1997 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Dinner program. You know the story, Joni is inducted and honored, but she chooses not to attend. Nash presents her with the award months later, out of a paper sack? Read all about it in the JMDL articles archives, I'm sure, if you want to brush up. Upon very close inspection, I'm pleased to find that they did a very nice job on the design in Joan's section of the program. The entire publication is quite well done, actually. Also inducted that year were: The Bee Gees, Buffalo Springfield, CSN, the Jackson 5, Parliament Funkadelic, the Young Rascals, Mahalia Jackson, Bill Monroe and Sydney Nathan. Wow! Heavy-hitters all! All treated with the utmost respect in their respective sections, in terms of attention to detail, photo selection, art design and the like. Splendid collectible, if you can get it. There's a long bio piece on Joan by a Patricia Romanowski, which is well worth sharing, but it's prohibitively long. I got a major kick out of this sidebar by Chrissie Hynde about Joni though. Chrissie gets it said!: Joni Mitchell by Chrissie Hynde Authenticity is the quality I think best describes Joni Mitchell. The fact that she has the most gorgeous voice ever, plays the guitar like a man (figuratively speaking of course) and is a master songwriter, all come secondary to the authenticity that (like blood through an Ace bandge) seeps through everything she does. Many women in the last twenty years have played Joni Mitchell records during childbirth. I believe it's some kind of phenomenon. Why do they do it? Probably because people appreciate the truth more than ever when going through major life events. We have total faith in this woman. She's never fucked us around or tried to get our attention to serve her own means. In fact, we get the impression that she finds fame more than a bit bothersome and would rather be left alone to go off and paint pictures. Still, millions of us wait for her. We want her authenticity to lend credence to our own lives. She makes us feel better, and if you think about it, who doesn't love Joni Mitchell? Nobody I know. -End- -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 21:28:15 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover Hey FUCK OFF Ray! Who died and made you Dick Clark??? Oooops no pun... Hey I have less than 2 degrees connection to Ms. Crow. My pal Trina Shoemaker has been working with her forever and has a grammy to gloat about with her. Trina started at the bottom of the barrel at a studio called Southlake in Metairie. She later went to work with Daniel Lanois down at Kingsway (where I did a lot of stuff) in the French Quarter. That was back I the day when there was a buzz that Joan might work with Dan and also the time when she met Brian Blade. Anyways Trina also mixed my boy Joe Tullos' first solo record (which is a really great record if you can still find a copy out there in Cyberlandia. AND I am very happy for the old Crow who is finally getting a little summin' summin' on a regular basis. Which is more than I can say for A LOT of us! But keep on rocking in the free world. Your favorite Paz > Oh. Good for you, Sheryl! I'll alert the media. Yawn. > > Where's Alanis Morrisette when you need her? The "irony" of a freakin' > near-billionaire doing that song, in this day and age, just chaps my > ass, somehow. Maybe I'm just in a pissy mood. Nevermind. > > Tribute CD? What tribute CD? > > -Julius > > ------------ >> From Billboard.com: > Edited By Jonathan Cohen. May 26, 2005, 10:55 AM ET > > Crow Whipping Up Something 'Good' > > By Jonathan Cohen, N.Y. > > Sheryl Crow's as-yet-untitled new album will arrive Sept. 27 via > Interscope, and will be preceded a month before by the single "Good Is > Good." According to the artist's official Web site, the new album will > include 10 tracks and will be accompanied by a tour that is in the > planning stages. > > Crow exclusively revealed to Billboard in December that she was hoping > to release two separate albums in 2005, one that she described as an > "artist" record, and the other pegged as a "pop" record. But based on > the Sept. 26 release date, it appears unlikely that Crow would release > a second set before year's end. > > The artist admitted her relationship with championship cyclist Lance > Armstrong has made an obvious impact on her new material. > > "I am writing a lot more love songs because I'm really happy in my > life, and I'm in a really positive relationship, but there's also so > much stuff to write about in the world," she said. "It's a really > interesting time to be an artist." > > While working on her own music, Crow has also recorded tracks for three > upcoming tribute albums. Her rendition of "For Free" will appear on a > Joni Mitchell tribute, while a cover of "I Need Your Love So Bad" is > pegged for a B.B. King collection and "To Love Somebody" is being > earmarked for a Bee Gees' covers set. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 22:32:02 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover Why couldn't I have been that eloquent instead of justtelling him to feck off?? Paz NP-First Circle-Pat Metheny Group (with Master Julian and Freda in attendance (in prep for a week at the beach in Ono Island) > near-billionaire doing that song, in this day and age, just chaps my > ass, somehow. Maybe I'm just in a pissy mood. Nevermind.> > > I guess I don't see the irony, Julius - after all, the song contrasts the > singer (Crow in this case, who surely has played on the corner for free at > some point) with the amateur street clarinetist...she's sleeping in a good > hotel, shopping for joo-wells and playing for fortunes as opposed to the guy > playing real good in the dirty town to apathetic passers-by. I see the song as > a pretty good fit for anyone who has made that transformation; like Joni, like > Sheryl, etc. > > Like so many of Joni's best songs, it's such a masterpiece because she doesn't > fill in all of the blanks for the listener...does she now resent the fame > she's earned? Does she long once again for the carefree days of playing at her > own whim? Is she upset because nobody is paying him any attention? Is she > upset with herself for not putting on the harmony? Those answers are up to > you, and that makes US a participant in the song - Joni's masterful skill at > drawing us in. > > > > That's news to me to, dude - and good news at that! I don't know if it's yet > another false alarm, but I guess we'll be finding out soon enough. Thanks for > posting about it. > > Bob > > NP: Cracker, "Low" > Yahoo! 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