From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #153 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, May 27 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 153 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni at Commonwealth excerpt ["Kakki" ] Re: buddhism (now SJC) ["mike pritchard" ] Re: buddhism (now SJC) [Bob Muller ] Re: R&R Hall of Fame Joni, circa 1997 [Randy Remote ] Re: This year's Jonifest in France and I've got a job! [Jamie Zubairi ] New Sheryl Crow Joni cover [jrmco1@aol.com] Re: Joni at Commonwealth excerpt [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni at Commonwealth continued ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 00:35:06 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni at Commonwealth excerpt > That's a wonderful byte from her talk, Kakki! Thanks so much for the > time and effort. Hey J (I call him *J*, not Ray) it was fun to relive and I'm glad we got some of it recorded (although since she has not approved it for the CC maybe this is a true bootleg - ha). I will muddle through and put some more up soon. > But with regard to my idol, Roberta Joan, does she have a beautiful mind, > or what? The way the imagery flows from even her most casual > recollection. Yes that is what I love the best - when she just lets the imagery flow. > So could you. But I sure wish Joan was still doing fresh music discs, > because to this day, nobody's done it better. Yeah, I just have the feeling she has a lot up her sleeve lyrically that she is not sharing. In other news, I had a unexpected Joni connection tonight that has me over the moon but is not yet for public consumption. Heehee! Quite giddy and silly heehee. > Alright, now break out the photos, Kakk! So's we can see how your tan > lines are doin'. Did you peel? Welcome back to California! Aren't we the > lucky ones! (Not that everyone else isn't as well, in their respective, > equally attractive, alternative states around the globe!) Eh, my scanner is not working but wish I could share some pics of being in the land of Hanalei. And Dean from Kauai - if you are still out there - I'm sorry I didn't get to meet you. It was truly a last minute trip and there was a lot I forgot to do. No peel but some nice color and only 7 mosquito bites that are already fading. A record. And to Smurf - I thought Aloha Keiki meant "Hi Kids" but what do I know being such a haole! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:48:33 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: buddhism (now SJC) >>Hi, since I am mostly behind in all the posts, I couldn't quite trace who exactly was looking for recommendations for introduction to Buddhism.<< Hi Claude, that would be me, so thanks to you, and thanks to everyone else who offered advice and recommendations. It has clarified the picture a little. Now to find some time to get to the reading... mike in barcelona np Maria del Mar Bonet - Bir-Demit Yasemen PS Muller, you there? Did MdMB never cover a joni song? I'm surprised. I have heard her sing Jackson Browne songs, and seen her perform with him, and I guess joni is a big influence in her musical background. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 03:42:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: buddhism (now SJC) PS Muller, you there? Did MdMB never cover a joni song? > Not that I can tell - I had not heard of her, so I checked out the www for a discography. She's been recording as long as Joni! All the song titles are listed in Spanish, so it's possible that there is one in there depending on how the title is translated, but after scanning them nothing obvious appeared. It makes it much easier for a simpleton like me when they call it. "La Ultima Vez Que Ve Richard"! Bob NP: Faithless, "No Roots" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 20:43:00 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: R&R Hall of Fame Joni, circa 1997 jrmco1@aol.com wrote: > Joni Mitchell > by Chrissie Hynde > > > In fact, we get the impression that she finds fame more than a bit > bothersome and would rather be left alone to go off and paint pictures. Prescient words indeed. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:27:01 +0000 From: LittleBreen@comcast.net Subject: "Martha", Talk to me!! (not) Hey, Bob, In response to someone's query as to who "Martha" was in "Talk To Me", you said: <> Yes! That's what I assumed at the time (and yes, she would have to have written it on the same road trip as most of Hejira material cuz I, too, remember her singing it at a concert in '76 before Hejira came out) -- she was probably amused at Martha Mitchell's rambling, and thinking of Martha's husband's long (and deserved?) suffering at having married a southern belle with a few marbles loose. Although I always sorta felt bad for Martha, more than a little bit. (I wonder how many people 'sides you and me love this song? It's part of why DJRD is my favorite JM album -- Joni seemed to have had so much fun making the album, and laughing at herself... I loved your version of it at JF 2003, btw.) Interesting how most of the allusions in this song, to Shakespeare, Buddha, will be recognizable indefintely; others (Bergman, Howard Hughes), if not eternal, will make sense for some time to come; and that one, presumably to Martha Mitchell, will cause speculation and puzzlement forever, even if someone ever thinks to ask her, say, in casual conversation (ha! If I ever meet her, I'll be happy if I avoid sputtering and drooling like a cross between an antique car and a six-month-old) or (even less likely) in an interview. In contrast, from the same album, when Joni wrote "Otis and Marlena", she was probably referring to a now mostly forgotten incident in DC in the early '70's when some fundamentalist muslims somewhat more literally stuck up Washington -- my guess is that she wrote it at the time that it happened and got talked out of putting it on an album, perhaps because it was perceived as too politically, um, insensitive (I remember I had friends in college who thought it was antisemitic!!! -- Seriously, has anyone on the list ever met anyone Jewish named Otis?? All I can think of is the drunk from Mayberry), and by the time DJRD came out, she was more in a mood of "F*ck all!! If I can't please anyone, I might as well please myself," and had a ball. And then, of course, 9/11 happened, and O&M led off Travelogue. Joni, timeless as usual. Except for Martha Mitchell references. hugs to all, Walt (too sick lately to sit up and type, much less raise hell on a bus) - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:43:08 +0000 From: LittleBreen@comcast.net Subject: Re: Martha -- does *she* like basketball? Hi gang -- In the discussion surrounding who the Martha in Talk to Me is (and surrounded by talk of basketball, which, if it keeps up much longer, I'm going to have to counter with talk of String Theory, and/or Where Does Vegliot Belong Within the Romance Linguistic Phylum -- in Balkan Romance, Italo-Romance or Rhaeto-Romance?), Patrick said: <> Hi, Patrick -- Hail fellow jmdl de-lurker -- Well, *this* is why I should read all of the digests before spouting off -- Martha Graham certainly does make more sense in context than Martha Mitchell, although like fellow hayseed and cultural boor SCJoniBob (sorry, Bob -- I should speak for myself only), I'll probably always prefer to think of poor Martha Mitchell (and not the one who wrote Gone With the Wind, neither). Laughing at myself (the silliest person I know really well), Walt Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:10:28 +0000 From: LittleBreen@comcast.net Subject: Quid pro quo, indeed! In respoinse to Jim Lama, Rev. Vince said: <Do I have this right? The Dems stop their fillibusters of judicial >appointees on the same week that the Republicans don't kill the stem >cell bill. This is a quid pro quo, a deal, right? > > No. The Senate is where the filibuster issue took place. The House is where the stem cell vote went through today. The result of the compromise is that the one appointee was confirmed today in the Senate. The House vote indicates that some Republicans are wandering away from the fold. But the actions are independent of each other. Vince>> Hey, Vince, and gang, -- I'm not so sure than anything that happens with politicians/in Washington is "independent" in any sense, but certainly Repubs in Washington *and* out know that the Bushsters' desire to outlaw *all* US stem cell research (if they had their way) does not represent the viewpoint of the majority of US citizens. In any case, Repubs can vote however they want on this, the Head Theocrat has sworn he'll veto it, and getting it past a veto's going to be hard, if not impossible. Anyone who lives in the Western Hemishpere probably heard me screaming and banging my head against the walls when Shrubby's political hacks brought on people who had adopted kids "rescued" from being discarded embryos, who said things like "I'm just so terribly glad god brought us little Jennifer, rather than having her destroyed for medical use by those evil satanists... blahblahblah." AAAAAUUUUGGGHHHHH Gee, thanks, Hubrisio, and I'm glad for you and little Jenny, too, but are you prepared to adopt and raise the other 99.999% of the embryos not slated for this particular use? Oh, you're not? Well, then, perhaps the state could... Oh, not on your taxpayer dime? Well, perhaps your church could...? Oh, as soon as you've put in the new crystal ceiling that that nasty twister took away? Oh, I see... Meanwhile, people like me and Robert and millions of others with chronic or fatal diseases who might be helped or saved by the research going on in, thank thunder, every other wealthy civilized nation in the world, wait and wither and die cuz you and the Head Hubrisiatum find pretty much all science theologically icky? Sorry, gang. Mostly, I try to laugh, but some things just aren't funny. I'll stop here. Otherswise, I'll just make y'all sick, and me sicker. Sigh, Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 19:29:09 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: buddhism (now SJC) actually bob they're in Catalan but no big deal, at least not on the list. when we're having a cold one in barcelona in august you gotta be more careful bro. I scanned the titles too but nothing obvious struck me either. Maybe Emiliano has info on this? mike in bcn NP Stuck Inside of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again (in Catalan!) by Gerard Quintana and Jordi Batiste. This CD is a Catalan tribute to Dylan, 13 songs in all. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Muller To: mike pritchard ; claud9@comcast.net Cc: list Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:42 PM Subject: Re: buddhism (now SJC) PS Muller, you there? Did MdMB never cover a joni song? > Not that I can tell - I had not heard of her, so I checked out the www for a discography. She's been recording as long as Joni! All the song titles are listed in Spanish, so it's possible that there is one in there depending on how the title is translated, but after scanning them nothing obvious appeared. It makes it much easier for a simpleton like me when they call it. "La Ultima Vez Que Ve Richard"! Bob NP: Faithless, "No Roots" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:14:54 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: This year's Jonifest in France and I've got a job! Hi Lieve and Laurent I'm so excited about this event, I can't wait to go... I'm waiting for Ryanair to give those silly offers to Carcassone/Perpignan before I book my tickets and I guess i'll just chance it when I get down there as to how to get to the fest... maybe I'll even hire a car... whoah... Good news is that this week I'VE BEEN FILMING AN AD!!!!Maltesers in the UK are sponsoring the new season of Will and Grace and I am doing the ad campaign that accompanies the series... YAYYY! SO watch will and Grace next Friday, you UK Jonilisters... It'll be me play very gay, very camp, very Jack... If anyone has seem me in anything (Azeem, I think has) this will be Very different to anythign that I've ever done... heheh. I'm trying to sneak in a Joni reference into the script during the improvs... I wonder... Much Joni Jamie Zoob - --- Laurent Olszer wrote: > Thanks Lieve for posting. > The info you pasted is a little old, all latest is > indeed at > www.jmdl.com/jonifest > Scott & Jody just booked the last room at Fargo this > week. So we now have > about 25 participants. > And luckily for me most of the people I was curious > to meet are coming over! > > We are sort of holding some B&Bs in standby for > procrastinators. > > Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:54:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: "Martha", Talk to me!! (not) Well, after Patrick wrote about Martha Graham I thought that made a helluva lot more sense. Not being immersed in the world of dance I forget about the icons of that art form. All I remembered was that we discussed it way back when dinosaurs roamed the internet. Bob NP: The Cure, "Torture" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:58:51 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: New Sheryl Crow Joni cover Oh. Good for you, Sheryl! I'll alert the media. Yawn. Where's Alanis Morrisette when you need her? The "irony" of a freakin' near-billionaire doing that song, in this day and age, just chaps my ass, somehow. Maybe I'm just in a pissy mood. Nevermind. Tribute CD? What tribute CD? - -Julius - ------------ From Billboard.com: Edited By Jonathan Cohen. May 26, 2005, 10:55 AM ET Crow Whipping Up Something 'Good' By Jonathan Cohen, N.Y. Sheryl Crow's as-yet-untitled new album will arrive Sept. 27 via Interscope, and will be preceded a month before by the single "Good Is Good." According to the artist's official Web site, the new album will include 10 tracks and will be accompanied by a tour that is in the planning stages. Crow exclusively revealed to Billboard in December that she was hoping to release two separate albums in 2005, one that she described as an "artist" record, and the other pegged as a "pop" record. But based on the Sept. 26 release date, it appears unlikely that Crow would release a second set before year's end. The artist admitted her relationship with championship cyclist Lance Armstrong has made an obvious impact on her new material. "I am writing a lot more love songs because I'm really happy in my life, and I'm in a really positive relationship, but there's also so much stuff to write about in the world," she said. "It's a really interesting time to be an artist." While working on her own music, Crow has also recorded tracks for three upcoming tribute albums. Her rendition of "For Free" will appear on a Joni Mitchell tribute, while a cover of "I Need Your Love So Bad" is pegged for a B.B. King collection and "To Love Somebody" is being earmarked for a Bee Gees' covers set. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:59:10 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni at Commonwealth excerpt Aloha and welcome home I think. I think I might have stayed there if I were you. I want to hear about da music magic in Kauai!!!! Glad you got some well deserved time off. Thanks for the transcription. Love Paz > Aloha Keiki, > > I just returned from a blissful trip to Kauai and some magical moments of > music which I will share later. In the meantime I have transcribed a small > bit of Joni's appearance at the Comonwealth Club from my old digital > recorder. I will transcribe more as I have time. > > **************** > In response to the question "were you always interested in nature and the > environment?" > > "O.K., my mother was a farm girl and she married my father and they climbed > a mountain on their honeymoon. My grandmother kept a scrapbook full of > flowers because bascially they were the first white people to settle there > so they were making botanical observations and some things they were > familiar with from the east. She kept pressed file books and knew the names > of a lot of things, names of birds, names of flowers. > > My parents would take annual holidays and they would drive usually to the > mountains which in those days were pretty dangerous and (the roads) were > like gravel and mud and they had no guardrails and you'd be going all over > the edge of cliffs. But by the same token, they'd have little signs along > the road that said "mountain stream to drink from - two miles." And you > could go over to the side of the road and stick your head in. It was a > beautiful place to walk. And we would climb the mountains and we went at > one point to a place called "Indian Paint Pots" in Jasper or Banff. And > years later in the 80s, I went with my then husband Larry Klein to see it. > But as a child I remember it was a really long climb and I was anticipating > this rainbow of colors when we got there. And when we got there I burst > into tears because all of it was ochre. It was ochre with a > (unintelligible) bright turquoise running river with all these little white > particles of sediment. And it was very disappointing to me as an eight year > old because of the (unintelligible). I kept bags of this rock at home. > > As a child in a small town, the kids where I grew up were pretty brutal and > Jen ___ used to chase the dog on the sidewalk with their father's wood > hatchet. The girls were very conspiratol (sic) and competitive and the boys > lacked a certain amount of imagination and (unintelligible). All > imagination went to brutal wit and you know, the quick repartee. So when it > got too much for me what I would do was ride my bike out to the country and > look for a beautiful place. I started smoking at the age of nine and would > take my tobacco with me. I would sit out in the bush and light up and watch > the birds fly in and out. > > My best memories of childhood are those solitary experiences with tobacco. > (Audience laughter) (Joni laughing) Sorry!" > > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:39:39 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni at Commonwealth continued Here is some more of Joni. I simply could not pick up/hear the moderator's questions and comments but Joni's voice stood out (mostly) very clear so only her commentary is included here: ********** I learned to play guitar in standard tuning but I'm born _______ a week under the "Discoverer" which usually favors scientists so I have this peculiar need to be original and (to go) where no one else has been, which is kind of a scientific proclivity. So all the chords in standard tuning sound happy to me -- whereas most people like the familiarity of it, I create chords that you couldn't get off the guitar and my friend Debbie Green's husband and boyfriend, Eric Anderson, showed me open G tuning which is what the old black blues players played - which is banjo tuning translated to the guitar. And that motivated me to a considerable degree. And then after that I began to just twiddle around to open chords and sometimes I would tune it like a rava (sp?) to the environment. I had kind of beach tunings so the region where you have songbirds, nature plays in regional keys. Like even in Los Angeles we went out and recorded crickets and one day they were singing in one key - all of them, and another day they were singing in another key - all of them. So areas tune themselves in a certain way for whatever reason. So then I began to do that - like tune to areas and then also to tune to chords. Like supposing I had something that had struck in my craw - a particular emotion that was still raw and unfocused but wanting to come out. I would twiddle the guitar knobs around until I found a modality that was emotionally kindred. Some of these chords were then too emotionally complex for white people but black people had no problem with it. I just had my doctorate of music and ____ ____ spoke and one of the things that he said was "is she so black that she thinks 11th and 13th chords are ____ friendly?" Brazilians were able to tolerate or thrill to a greater harmonic power whereas Western mind again seemed to like its tragedy minor and its happiness major and the most complex emotion it could take would be a 7th chord. You know, my daughter was at large, like "where's my girl, where's my girl?" That's a dissonance in my life for many years. "Are they going to drop the bomb, are they going to drop the bomb?" There's another dissonance. I spent my whole life with these complex dissonances and felt that majors and minors were too simplistic to express how it was I felt. So even (with a) happy feeling there would be a tension line of a second, like a little irritating buzz running through a major chord (that) suited me just fine. *********** Kakki NP: Keiki O Ka 'Aina - Robi Kahakalau ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #153 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)