From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #151 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, May 25 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 151 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Martha Wainwright [Richard Goldman ] Re: Martha Wainwright [Richard Goldman ] Re: Joni on CBC's "The National" [Gary Z ] Re: The Joni Movie [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: The Joni Movie ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] FW: this year's Jonifest in France [ReckersL@ebrd.com] re: Joni mentions ["c Karma" ] RE: Who is Martha? ["anon anon" ] Talk about Martha JC ["Russell Bowden" ] Dave Van Ronk ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] RE: Dave Van Ronk ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Joni mentions ["Azeem" ] Fwd: Joni [Mike Friedman ] RE: JMDL Digest V2005 #213 ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni at Commonwealth excerpt ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 00:30:53 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Martha Wainwright Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 23:58:04 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: Martha Wainwright njc Wow! Im on the third listen to Marthas debut album, and Im hugely impressed. Such great songs, with lyrics that speak plainly yet elegantly; sweet and sour melodies, with lovely, loose arrangements - and such a terrific singer, capable of covering an enormous emotional gamut. She has some of the folky quality of her mother, with added visceral gumption that comes from somewhere else entirely. Look I managed to get all the way through without a snide reference to her hugely overrated brother... Doh! ;-) Azeem in London NP: Martha Wainwright - TV Show ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 00:37:01 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Martha Wainwright Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 23:58:04 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: Martha Wainwright njc If you missed Martha's recent appearance on Late Show with *David Letterman*, you can catch it on your local CBS station Thursday, May 26, 2005. Rufus's new DVD, out in the UK, called "All I Want" (and now hey, I know that is not an original title) . . . and available, all-region-playable here too, has the funniest 'easter egg' in it. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0009A21NA/qid=1116920129/sr=8-1/ref =pd_ka_0/202-5292883-9959059 On the Main Menu, if you scroll over to the upper right corner and 'click' on the roccoco icon, there is a "tribute to Kate and Anna Mcgarrigle" by Martha and Rufus, that is absolutely hilarious. "Kate played by Martha Wainwright and Anna played by Rufus Wainwright" it is too funny for words, in the genre of a queer twisted "A Mighty Wind", sort of . . . Wow! Im on the third listen to Marthas debut album, and Im hugely impressed. Such great songs, with lyrics that speak plainly yet elegantly; sweet and sour melodies, with lovely, loose arrangements - and such a terrific singer, capable of covering an enormous emotional gamut. She has some of the folky quality of her mother, with added visceral gumption that comes from somewhere else entirely. Look I managed to get all the way through without a snide reference to her hugely overrated brother... Doh! ;-) Azeem in London NP: Martha Wainwright - TV Show ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 07:44:25 -0400 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Joni on CBC's "The National" Yes, Emiliano, that's it! Thanks for letting me know, I wasn't aware that it had been shown before. It was a really good program, and I loved the story Joni told about dragging the microphone to the cigarette machine. Glad to know the program has been captured somewhere! Best, Gary Emiliano wrote: >Hi, Gary! > >I'd bet it's the same that was already broadcasted earlier this year and >that a kind soul provided us with a link for downloading it: it's the one >almos aimed at the ceremony when he recived the Doctor Honris Causa in >McGill University, isn't it? It's some 22 minutes, indeed, isn't it? > >She tells the story about how she wrote Empty, Try Another just before the >*guitar* segment. There is a very touching moment when a woman (I can't >remember her name, now) gets very very moved telling the story about Kelly >Green... with Kelly and Joni very moved too in the audience, of course > >I've made a VCD from it. I'll send it your way to Detroit... if there's >anybody able to send it to you in your country, that's it. (Richard?) > >Have a Wonderful time! >Emiliano > >NP: Greg Brown: I want my country back > > > >>-----Mensaje original----- >>De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Gary Z >>Enviado el: martes, 24 de mayo de 2005 5:43 >>Para: joni@smoe.org >>Asunto: Joni on CBC's "The National" >> >> >>I caught it late, but Joni was on CBC Television's "The National" this >>evening. It appears to have been a half-hour segment on her life and >>music. It did include her receiving a Doctor of Music award, as well >>as a number of old clips from various television shows, and small >>segments with her comments. There was also a clip of her talking to >>some students, and someone brought up a guitar. I believe the fellow >>who brought it up told Joni it was the first guitar she had ever played, >>and he presented it to her to see. She was very surprised, and >>remembered it as well. >> >>I went to the CBC site, but could find nothing on this segment. Maybe >>there is someone else who saw the program and can elaborate, or find out >>more from the website. It appeared to be very current - Joni looked >>great. Had it not been for a friend who knows what a Joni freak I am >>who called to tell me this was on, I would have missed it for sure. I >>scrambled for a videotape, and tossed it in, but it appears not to have >>recorded. Did anyone else catch this program? >> >>Best regards, >> >>Gary >>Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 12:58:01 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: The Joni Movie Isn't Murial Hemingway deceased? I thou ght she commited suicide? - --- MINGSDANCE@aol.com wrote: > Who to play Joni? > As a small child the girl from Peter Pan > From19 thru 35 Gwenth Paltrow. > From then on Rosanna Arquett > or Murial Hemingway. > > Peace > Mingus > ___________________________________________________________ How much mail storage do you get for free? Yahoo! Mail gives you 1GB! Get Yahoo! Mail http://uk.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:19:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: The Joni Movie Margaux Hemingway committed suicide in 1996. Her sister Mariel is very much alive. Jerry Jamie Zubairi said: > Isn't Murial Hemingway deceased? I thou ght she > commited suicide? > > --- MINGSDANCE@aol.com wrote: > >> Who to play Joni? >> As a small child the girl from Peter Pan >> From19 thru 35 Gwenth Paltrow. >> From then on Rosanna Arquett >> or Murial Hemingway. >> >> Peace >> Mingus >> > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > How much mail storage do you get for free? Yahoo! Mail > gives you 1GB! > Get Yahoo! Mail http://uk.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 14:20:40 +0100 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: FW: this year's Jonifest in France I'm the worst one to send this message, because I haven't posted for so long that hardly anyone will recognise me. But I have been trying to keep up with the digests, albeit always late, and I saw Mike Pritchard's message of about 10 days ago, asking if anyone wanted to share a car hire from Barcelona, and I thought then: I MUST really find time to reply and remind people about the fest! So that's what I'm doing. First of all: thanks very much, Mike, but I'm driving over to the fest from London (with stops and visits on the way in Belgium and France), so unfortunately no Barcelona link for me this time. And then really, this is to say that I think we need A LOT MORE NOISE........................ What's that? Oh, A LOT MORE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOISE about the upcoming JONIFEST on 13-15 August! I am afraid that otherwise, even those who had already decided to go, will just forget about it or think it's been cancelled. So please, if I can do it, everybody else can too! Please can all those people who are going (23 of them, I think) send a message and remind everybody else that they could still decide to join? And those on the fence, please take the decision and join us! It's going to be really good, and it's probably going to be the only one in Europe for several years, so please DO IT! If you're in Europe, then do it because it's nearby, and if you're across one of the big ponds, then do it because going abroad, especially to France, is so COOOOL! For those who have forgotten, or those who are new, or those who are thinking of changing their mind, here are quickly some of the details again: The person organising it all is Laurent Olszer, his e-mail is olszer@xlsecurity.com You should be able to find all details on www.jmdl.com/jonifest , but I haven't even had time to check it myself, so I am just quickly pasting below some details I kept for myself from previous posts from Laurent. - - - - - - the area is the "Corbieres", the state (french departement) is "Aude". One can also check; "cathares" for a historical background, and www.lafargo.fr for the hotel I recommend and directions. The site isn't exactly in Carcassonne, that's just one of the nearest airports along with Perpignan. We've calculated the budget, the cost for the 3 day event amounts to 165 euros ($220-230 or #110). This includes: * Breakfast (including for those of you lodging in B&B's off-site) * All meals, french of course. Probably will have a buffet all day long. * Cook and helpers on duty * All equipment rental for the event (won't bore you with details) ACCOMODATIONS: A) Camping on premises: we can supply 5 tents for 2 people, so 10 campers max. Cost is 30 euros($40) total per person for all 3 nights B) Bungalows on premises: Cost is 45 euros ($60) per person for all 3 nights * lower bungalow has 4 beds * upper bungalow has 1 double bed * mill has 3 beds Naturally, those spaces are on 1st come 1st served basis (Ashara and Jerry Noraro have already reserved) C) B&B's in nearby villages: All daily rates include breakfast, may be possible to pay about 5 euros less without it since we will be providing breakfast on site. 1) Mme Tavart in Davejean (nearest village): 1 room for 3: 40 euros ($53)/room 1 room for 4: 50 euros 2) Mme Le Franc in Villerouge Termenes: 1 room with 1 double + 1 single bed: 39 euros if 2 people, 50 euros if 3. 3) Mme Bizouerne in Le Roc de Golta (near Villerouge Termenes) 1 room with 1 double bed: 43 euros 2 rooms with 2 single beds: 43 euros 1 room with 3 single beds: 64 euros All rooms have sink & shower, toilets on the same floor. 4) M. Houalet in Felines Termenes: no details available D) La Fargo in St Pierre des Champs: a charming hotel with great food and gorgeous surroundings. Rooms are very nice too. Near to where I live when I'm in the area, about 20 minutes drive to Jonifest. 64-71 euros/room + breakfast 6 euros/person. Check their website www.chez.com/lafargo/ , click on the UK flag at the bottom for english. In addition to the hotel info there is plenty of info about the area. Click on "directions" for general travel info. Let me know if you want any of these and I'll make the booking for you. RESERVATIONS: Reservations for the event and for lodging can be made to me. La Fargo hotel reservations can either be made to me or directly (mention Jonifest). I'm not sure what is customary in terms of deposit. Those who can pay the 165 euros event fee now are welcome to do so. For those who would rather pay a deposit, I suppose 100 euros ($135) will do. Overseas bank transfers are expensive, so I'm offering the following options: * USA festers can wire the funds to a U.S. account at Bank of America. The account is under a cousin's name, this way he'll make 1 lump sum transfer to me and you will have no fees. I'm responsible if he runs to Havana with your deposits (LOL). * EURO + rest of the world: wire transfer to me in Euros. Please email me off list for bank account details. - - - - - - - - So far, the above direct quote from Laurent. Friends, it's time to get EXCITED and not let this OPPORTUNITY pass you by! I am sure, for those who have the time to take some more days off, there will be the chance to spend more time together, maybe seeing more of France or Spain etc. I know, money is always an issue, but the fest is very cheap, and if we plan it well, travel can be cheap too - and it will be SO WORTH IT! Waiting to hear from you! Lieve in London. ______________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. Although we have taken steps to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, the EBRD accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by computer viruses and would advise you to carry out your own virus checks. The contents of this e-mail do not necessarily represent the views of the EBRD. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 15:36:15 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Joni mentions Mingus wrote: "Saturday night Renee Flemming was on Larry King and was talking about her new covers CD and started by saying her all time favorite "Joni Mitchell" that's why she did River." In her recent autobiography (and probably other places), Renee reveals that her older daughter is named Amelia. It seems her appreciation runs quite deep. CC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 12:28:44 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: RE: Who is Martha? >From: "patrick leader" >i dearly love 'talk to me'. it comes from this odd place of insecurity >(how >often does joni sound insecure!?) it's an articulate yet scattered song, >and speaks to me as clearly as anything on that album. > I've been listening to DJRD a lot recently...I think it's a very underrated album... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 11:46:55 -0700 From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Talk about Martha JC Gang, I always thought Our Queen was refering to the opera 'Martha' by Flotow.....Could be, why not? I like the Martha Graham idea, though. Love, Russ (now appearing) in San Diego Now I'm a Southern CA Joni-guy....!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 17:40:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Dave Van Ronk From the review of The Mayor of MacDougal Street: Rarities 1957-1969 in Rolling Stone: "One of the real revelations is Van Ronk's lived in version of Joni Mitchell's Both Sides Now, which rescues a great song from the realm of singer-songwriter cliche." Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 18:11:28 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Dave Van Ronk Is this a new Van Ronk retrospective? I must get it! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Gerald A. Notaro Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:40 PM To: jon i Subject: Dave Van Ronk From the review of The Mayor of MacDougal Street: Rarities 1957-1969 in Rolling Stone: "One of the real revelations is Van Ronk's lived in version of Joni Mitchell's Both Sides Now, which rescues a great song from the realm of singer-songwriter cliche." Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 23:31:04 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: Joni mentions Mingus wrote: "Saturday night Renee Flemming was on Larry King and was talking about her new covers CD and started by saying her all time favorite "Joni Mitchell" that's why she did River." And cKarma replied: << In her recent autobiography (and probably other places), Renee reveals that her older daughter is named Amelia. It seems her appreciation runs quite deep. >> I guess this is largely njc, but maybe not: Amelia is a name I have long considered as a front-runner in the choosing-a-name-game, should that happy event come to pass. Well, touch wood and all being well, it's now something I'm actively considering - and it is partly because of the beauty of Joni's song and its positive associations with discovering the record (and I use the word advisedly) that was to become my favourite ever. I also think it's a beautiful name in itself. If it's a boy, we definitely WON'T be calling him Willie :) Azeem in London - -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 17/05/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 18:44:27 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Fwd: Joni Talk about jealousy!!!! But this is from the friend who introduced me to JM so I guess I have to be thankful. ;-) Begin forwarded message: > From: > Date: May 24, 2005 1:41:20 PM PDT > To: mike@pinataperspective.com (Missy Friedman) > Subject: Joni > > > Sit,n in a park in Paris France. Reading the news and it sure > looks bad. They won't give peace a chance. That was just a dream > some of us had. > > I couldn't resist. ============= "There used to be all those talk shows back in the '50s and '60s, when I was on television a great deal. People would talk about many important things, and you had some very good talkers. They're not allowed on now. Or they're set loose in the Fox Zoo, in which you have a number of people who pretend to be journalists but are really like animals. Each one has his own noise--there's the donkey who brays, there's the pig who squeals. Each one is a different animal in a zoo, making a characteristic noise. The result is chaos, which is what is intended. They don't want the people to know anything, and the people don't." - --Gore Vidal Mike Friedman mike@pinataperspective.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 23:18:06 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2005 #213 Yes to Siddhartha & the prophet as good books... don't know if they are Buddhist or not but who cares if they inspire? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 23:50:45 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni at Commonwealth excerpt Aloha Keiki, I just returned from a blissful trip to Kauai and some magical moments of music which I will share later. In the meantime I have transcribed a small bit of Joni's appearance at the Comonwealth Club from my old digital recorder. I will transcribe more as I have time. **************** In response to the question "were you always interested in nature and the environment?" "O.K., my mother was a farm girl and she married my father and they climbed a mountain on their honeymoon. My grandmother kept a scrapbook full of flowers because bascially they were the first white people to settle there so they were making botanical observations and some things they were familiar with from the east. She kept pressed file books and knew the names of a lot of things, names of birds, names of flowers. My parents would take annual holidays and they would drive usually to the mountains which in those days were pretty dangerous and (the roads) were like gravel and mud and they had no guardrails and you'd be going all over the edge of cliffs. But by the same token, they'd have little signs along the road that said "mountain stream to drink from - two miles." And you could go over to the side of the road and stick your head in. It was a beautiful place to walk. And we would climb the mountains and we went at one point to a place called "Indian Paint Pots" in Jasper or Banff. And years later in the 80s, I went with my then husband Larry Klein to see it. But as a child I remember it was a really long climb and I was anticipating this rainbow of colors when we got there. And when we got there I burst into tears because all of it was ochre. It was ochre with a (unintelligible) bright turquoise running river with all these little white particles of sediment. And it was very disappointing to me as an eight year old because of the (unintelligible). I kept bags of this rock at home. As a child in a small town, the kids where I grew up were pretty brutal and Jen ___ used to chase the dog on the sidewalk with their father's wood hatchet. The girls were very conspiratol (sic) and competitive and the boys lacked a certain amount of imagination and (unintelligible). All imagination went to brutal wit and you know, the quick repartee. So when it got too much for me what I would do was ride my bike out to the country and look for a beautiful place. I started smoking at the age of nine and would take my tobacco with me. I would sit out in the bush and light up and watch the birds fly in and out. My best memories of childhood are those solitary experiences with tobacco. (Audience laughter) (Joni laughing) Sorry!" Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #151 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)