From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #129 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, May 3 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 129 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- the last waltz [Duarte Moniz ] Re: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs ["Brad McMillan" ] joni on guns [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: joni on guns [Brian Gross ] Re: Will you still need me, will you still feed me, when I'm Covers 64! ["Ric Robinson" ] RE: Joni on shelf ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Joni on shelf [Jamie Zubairi ] RE: Joni on shelf [Bob Muller ] Re: Joni on shelf [LCStanley7@aol.com] RE: Joni on shelf [Smurf ] RE: Joni on shelf [Bob Muller ] Re: Joni interviewed in New York magazine (May 09, 2005) [Randy Remote Subject: the last waltz I watch it on film, and then some time ago I also bought the DVD. Her deliverance of coyote is superb ! The best so far of all the appearances that I have seen. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 13:19:20 -0400 From: "Brad McMillan" Subject: Re: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs The masking tape thing is like another malapropism in This Flight Tonight: "Up go the flaps, down go the wheels". If the wheels are going down, the aircraft is landing, so the flaps would be going down, or extended also. But as to dated references: Richard: "...put a quarter in the Wurlitzer" What's a Wurlitzer Grandpa? Big Yellow Taxi: DDT was outlawed in 1972. Few if any young people know what it is. Case of You: "blue tv screen light" (obviously from a black & white tv). Furry Sings the Blues: Beale Street has been revitalized. From where "Handy cast in bronze, stands in a little park", to the recently opened Rock and Soul Museum, Beale is alive. Coyote: "...just getting home with my reel to reel" (tape recorder). These dated cultural references are unavoidable. But what makes Joni timeless is her lyrics that describe her feelings that are universally recognized when the tears come to our eyes and we murmur, "I know, Joni, I know". - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Fye" To: "Richard Flynn" Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:03 PM Subject: Re: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs > Richard offered: > > > Umm... "Breakfast Barney"? "Sign-off prayer"? > > Sign-off prayer is a good one. These days, do stations (radio or otherwise) > ever stop broadcasting? > > However, I don't know what "Breakfast Barney" is -- was that a local morning > radio show somewhere? Anyone know where? Somewhere in California? Somewhere > in Canada? > > As for my original mention of "transistor" and the comments about whether > folks referred to a portable radio as such, I think this one falls into the > category of artistic license on Joni's part. "Transistor radio" wouldn't > have fit into the meter of the song, and, while "radio" would have fit, it > was too common a word. "Transistor" worked perfectly, though. > > This is similar to my old complaint about the song "Electricity," in which > Joni sings "The masking tape tangles / It's sticky and black." Of course no > one uses masking tape for electrical work (unless you have nothing else), > and although it would be sticky (although not very), it's not black. Yes, > there is coloured masking tape now, but I've never seen black (and I spend a > lot of time at Home Depot!) -- and when Joni wrote the song, masking tape > was only produced in that familiar pale yellow (or off-white?) colour. > > Nonetheless, Joni used "masking tape" because it fit the meter of the song > better than "electrical tape" did. > > Back to the subject ... are there any other examples of "dated" terms in > Joni's songs? > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 19:02:43 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Joni on shelf Quoting LCStanley7@aol.com: > > I have been enjoying Refuge of the Roads. I especially love Sweet Bird > > and Woodstock on this DVD. I also like the tour photo gallery that is > included. Think I'll watch it now. Nice way to start the day. Smile! > I could not find teh tour photo gallery on teh DVD. It was listed on the box as one of the "special features" . Perhaps I'm missing something very obvious here, will check again. GARRET NP- Rufus Wainwright, Dinner At 8 - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 15:01:09 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: joni on guns Sunny Sunday, anyone? LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 12:23:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: joni on guns - --- Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > Sunny Sunday, anyone? LAHM Thank you David. And once again, I will open my invitation to any jmdler who is interested in safely learning to handle and accurately use pistols or rifles to join me as my guest at the indoor range in West Deptford NJ (between exits 21 and 22 off I-295). They are open every day except Monday. It's a lot of fun, stress relieving, and a whole lot safer than trying to escape from the killer sofa ;-) Brian, proud to be a law-abiding life member of the JMDL and NRA. Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 18:51:43 +0100 From: "Ric Robinson" Subject: Re: Will you still need me, will you still feed me, when I'm Covers 64! Hi Bob, Looks like a winner! BTW, being a relative newbie, I don't know how one goes about getting hold of these gems. Care to enlighten me? Also, if at anytime you feel like sending me a random MP3 that'd be cool too. :-))))))) Ric - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" To: "JMDL" Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 2:56 PM Subject: Will you still need me, will you still feed me, when I'm Covers 64! > Howdy gang - well, it's a beautiful first of May and here I sit with > another most excellent compilation of Joni covers for y'all...before I > begin, lemme give a shout out to the folks who helped bring this one to > ya: > > Garret > Anita Gabrielle > > Covers #64 runs 77 minutes long and contains 20 bonafide hits, some > rarities, some boquets and some brickbats...here we go: > > 1. The Cantrells - You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio: Direct from Nashville, > with banjo, dobro, and all the rest of the country trimmings - appropriate > for this track which seems to get the C&W treatment quite often. Cool by > me - gives the country fans something GOOD to listen to. > 2. Susan Tedeschi - River: Bostonian singer/songwriter, Susan is > categorized as a blues singer although she covers all genres, and quite > well too I might add. This very fine version of River comes from one of > her electric live shows. > 3. Nyle Frank - Both Sides Now: We've heard from Nyle before, his Morning > Morgantown & Circle Game have graced previous volumes - this one's from > his latest release and is another lovely solo piano recording, very well > paced. > 4. Denise Jordan Finley - Michael From Mountains: From an independent > release, Denise has a pretty pretty soprano and easily winds her way > through Joni's lovely melody with piano and cello behind her which builds > and adds on additional instrumention through this original arrangement. > 5. The Pomaswank - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat: Nice loose lounge jazz version, > strong players and expressive singing. Hey, hear it for yourself: > http://www.ethanhein.com/bands.html#pomaswank > 6. Rich And Nona - The Circle Game: Interesting because they start with > the BSN riff and then launch into TCG as a duet with a chorus of voices > behind them which is pretty effective. Not a bad version, but I don't > think it ever made them rich, except of course for Rich who already was. > 7. Senior Girls Chorus of Camp Blue Star - Both Sides Now: More > campers...Camp Blue Star is actually only about an hour north of me in > Hendersonville, NC...this group of young girls singing acapella has some > nice voices in there but they're cursed by the one or two "Barney Fifes" > in there who sing loud, proud, and awful. > 8. Sharon Eusebe - River: Not too bad, this singer has been compared to > Nina Simone and sings River in a lower alto range. > 9. Anita Gabrielle - Woodstock: Anita's certainly done us proud! Our > fellow JMDL'er, playing one of Joni's own guitars, turns in an > electrifying take on the landmark song...this is a truly inspired and > original version, with a revised verse added by Anita and also including a > bit of Moby's "We Are All Made Of Stars". Bravo Anita...a beautiful > recording from a beautiful spirit. > 10. Rose Mary Rees - Chelsea Morning: Clear the dance floor! This is from > a 12" dance record from the UK, this is one take, she does another version > which we'll hear later on. She basically sings the melody over the > synthesized rhythm machinery. > 11. Mt. Hood Community College Vocal Jazz Ensemble - Both Sides Now: > Another acapella version, these kids are a bit older (and a lot better) > than the Blue Star campers...this is basically the Singers Unlimited > arrangement which is to say that it's pretty cool and swings. > 12. Pearls Before Swine - For Free: Tom Rapp's band Pearls Before Swine > happened on the scene between 1965-71 and just recently released a > rarities boxset, including this Joni cover which was an unreleased demo. > Interesting trivia: Tom also wrote a song called "Wizard of Is", I almost > flipped when I saw that on the tracklisting thinking it was another Joni > cover! > 13. Anne-Marie O'Farrell - Song To A Seagull: Really pretty Celtic harp, > and used appropriately here to convey the soaring seagull, expressive and > visual. I wish Anne-Marie's vocal matched her harp playing; not bad I > suppose but not up to speed with her awesome harp. > 14. Real Time - Carey: This UK quartet released this great and spirited > version of Carey about a year ago. Great vocals, harmonies, and > instrumentation too. > 15. Tull Glazener & Jim Sperry - Both Sides Now: An instrumental > dulcimer/guitar duet, these guys say that BSN was composed on dulcimer > which is news to me (when did Joni take up the dulcimer?). Anyway, in > spite of this information they turn in a very nice acoustic take on the > franchise. > 16. Volker Niehusmann & Christiane Weber - Michael From Mountains > 17. Volker Niehusmann & Christiane Weber - Marcie > 18. Volker Niehusmann & Christiane Weber - Cactus Tree: Here's a beautiful > trio by a duo...from Germany, these two recorded a Joni tribute CD called > "Another Blue", and it is really lovely. Volker plays guitar, Chritiane > supplies the voce. Wow, really nice. More to come from this talented > twosome, we'll start with 3 from STAS. > 19. Oak Park/River Forest Junior High School Chorus - Both Sides Now: > Well, let's see...we've had Seniors, College kids, it's only fair we throw > a Junior High School Chorus in the mix as well...sorry Jerry, I couldn't > find the recording by the old-timers at Shady Pines. But back to this > recording from early seventies Chicago area. All in all, not too shabby - > the Choral director knew enough to tell the Barney Fifes in the group to > just move their mouths, but even then the harmony parts sort of run amuck > toward the end - one can just see the poor director waving his/her baton > excitedly trying to slow them down. > 20. Robert Bobby - River: A nasally countrified version, Robert can't > *quite* navigate the melodic stretch that this song requires, but gives it > the ol' college try just the same which is fine by me - hey, they can't > ALL sing like Dianne Reeves... > > And that brings us to the end of another in the never-ending series of our > Joni Covers...thanks again to the folks who helped me gather the goodies, > thanks to those of you out there whose interest keeps me searching, and > thanks to those of you who read all the way to here. > > And stay tuned - I was glad to see the response I got last month for my > #63 giveaway so I'll do it again with #64...after all, when you have > something good, you don't want to keep it to yourself...hide it under a > bushel...NO...I'm gonna let it shine! > > Bob > > NP: Led Zeppelin, "Communication Breakdown" > Yahoo! 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It crossed my desk and haven't yet had an opportunity to spend time with the article, but one thing of interest I did glean: Joni is working with someone who is helping her "write" her memoirs, using a tape recorder and working in what she calls "the oral tradition." Jack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 17:15:54 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: JMDL Video Tree download: Please Seed I'm back on it, so you can finish. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Chard Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 3:30 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Video Tree download: Please Seed I've been downloading the torrent for the past week, and I'm up to 86%, but it seems all the seeders have gone away. If someone could open their torrent again so I can get the remaining 400MB , I'd appreciate it greatly. Thanks much, Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 22:41:11 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: Joni on shelf I wasin HMV, Virgin and Borders today, looking for SoapGirl, thinking that someone SOMEWHERE must have it on early import (it's not out here til May 9th. I CAN'T WAIT A WEEK!?!?!) but to no avail. I was impressed by the amount of Joni they did have on the shelves though. I found an HDCD version of MOA with the cover re-done (i.e. instead of the painted-by-Joni title, it was printed in a very similar font. I guess this was for the American release of the HDCD versions. Yes, the tour photos for the RotG dvd. It's on the special features thing. The tour photos are quite special. They remind me of when I was touring Holland with 'A Clockwork Orange' being in cold dressing rooms, having a laugh with the cast. You'll notice the photo which was the inspiration of the Dreamland cover on it as well. Much Joni Jamie Zoob - --- Garret wrote: > > I could not find teh tour photo gallery on teh DVD. > It was listed on the box as > one of the "special features" . Perhaps I'm missing > something very obvious > here, will check again. > GARRET > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 18:14:52 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Joni on shelf I got my SoaPGirl and dutifully listened to her. What do you all think of the TLog version of "Cherokee Louise"? I think it's insipid and melodramatic, in case you wondered. The jauntier NRH version is way more powerful--Joni understood irony then. The sound of the disc (SoaPGirlis very nice and the new Paprika Plains a good listening experience-- I guess overall I don't feel quite so ripped off as I did by the previous compilations. I haven't yet been able to bring myself to listen to the Geffen box I got for 24.99 plus tax, title and dealer prep on Ebay--somehow I always find something I'd rather listen to. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Zubairi Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 5:41 PM To: Garret; LCStanley7@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni on shelf I wasin HMV, Virgin and Borders today, looking for SoapGirl, thinking that someone SOMEWHERE must have it on early import (it's not out here til May 9th. I CAN'T WAIT A WEEK!?!?!) but to no avail. I was impressed by the amount of Joni they did have on the shelves though. I found an HDCD version of MOA with the cover re-done (i.e. instead of the painted-by-Joni title, it was printed in a very similar font. I guess this was for the American release of the HDCD versions. Yes, the tour photos for the RotG dvd. It's on the special features thing. The tour photos are quite special. They remind me of when I was touring Holland with 'A Clockwork Orange' being in cold dressing rooms, having a laugh with the cast. You'll notice the photo which was the inspiration of the Dreamland cover on it as well. Much Joni Jamie Zoob - --- Garret wrote: > > I could not find teh tour photo gallery on teh DVD. > It was listed on the box as > one of the "special features" . Perhaps I'm missing > something very obvious > here, will check again. > GARRET > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 23:32:11 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: RE: Joni on shelf Hi Rich I guess that the Tlog version holds no surprises - we know it's a tragic story because the music tells us so, whereas the NRG version (I mean NRH) sounds like a sweet story about a misunderstood playfriend until you get to the abusive part. Much more shocking I guess. Perhaps a misreading on the Mendoza version. Also, singing Cherokee Louise at the speed she sang it on NRH is really difficult, you have to be really on top form linguistically to be singing 'flashlights and batteries' and be understood without getting garbled. But that's my excuse of slowing it down! I never sing it at speed. I would give the Geffen Box a good long listen. get yourself a pair of good quality earphones (I prefer the 'inner-ear' type that cut out all of the outside noise) or some headphones and try it out. It makes a difference. Of course, it's never going to change your mind about DED if you didn't like it in the first place... I did so the experience is much better... Much Joni - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > I got my SoaPGirl and dutifully listened to her. > What do you all think of > the TLog version of "Cherokee Louise"? I think it's > insipid and > melodramatic, in case you wondered. The jauntier NRH > version is way more > powerful--Joni understood irony then. > > The sound of the disc (SoaPGirlis very nice and the > new Paprika Plains a > good listening experience-- I guess overall I don't > feel quite so ripped off > as I did by the previous compilations. > > I haven't yet been able to bring myself to listen to > the Geffen box I got > for 24.99 plus tax, title and dealer prep on > Ebay--somehow I always find > something I'd rather listen to. > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 16:24:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: RE: Joni on shelf I still can't get over the fact that this quiet intimate song was given such a heavy-handed and totally inappropriate orchestral treatment. It's almost as if I was to tell someone a secret, and then see it on the front page the next day...No...this should be quiet, not symphonic fer crissakes. Perhaps a quartet or a lone cello or something would have worked, but why? The NRH version got the job done. Bob Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 19:34:02 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on shelf In a message dated 5/2/2005 5:32:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, jamiezubairi@yahoo.co.uk writes: I would give the Geffen Box a good long listen. get yourself a pair of good quality earphones I second the motion and agree good earphones are a must. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 17:09:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: RE: Joni on shelf Muller wrote about "Cherokee Louise": > this should be quiet, not symphonic fer > crissakes. Perhaps a quartet or a lone cello or > something would have worked, but why? The NRH > version got the job done. > I think it's interesting to note here that another of Joni's very sad songs of abuse, "The Magdalena Laundries," was very much improved by collaboration with the Chieftains. - --Smurf Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 18:12:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: RE: Joni on shelf Good point, and one with which I concur. The accompaniment in The Chieftains case is an enhancement and not an encumbrance. It retains the tone of the song..it's appropriate. By the same token, The Dawntreader, though lovely in its original release, is made fuller & more complete via it's treatment in Tlog. It's appropriate to have all those myriads of sounds in the recording, unlike Cherokee Louise. Bob NP: Guided By Voices, "Hold On Hope" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 22:01:37 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni interviewed in New York magazine (May 09, 2005) J Harney wrote: > Just wanted to alert JMDLers that New York magazine > has an interview with Joni in this week's issue. The > article is accompanied by the William Claxton photo of > Joni from a few years ago (the one that ran in that dreadful-- > to my mind--article about her in W magazine, also a few years > back). It crossed my desk and haven't yet had an opportunity > to spend time with the article, but one thing of interest I did > glean: Joni is working with someone who is helping her "write" > her memoirs, using a tape recorder and working in what she > calls "the oral tradition." She has mentioned doing an autobiography before, but this is the first news as far as I know that she is actually doing it. This is a good method, I would think. Thanks, Jack. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #129 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)