From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #126 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, April 30 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 126 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni needs a Dual Disc, was Re: new Springsteen ["Kakki" ] Re: no Joni [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Joni descripton [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: no Joni ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Joni needs a Dual Disc, was Re: new Springsteen [Catherine McKay ] Joni's xmass album [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: no Joni (indeed no Joni here) [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni's xmass album [Catherine McKay ] "Dated" terms in Joni's songs [Lori Fye ] Re: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs [Em ] Re: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs [Deb Messling ] Re: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs [Bob Muller ] RE: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs ["Bill Dollinger" ] Re: Joni needs a Dual Disc, was Re: new Springsteen ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedi] Re: from just-ice to just re-released joni music ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu"] Re: Joni Won't Sing in Saskatoon ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: from just-ice to just re-released joni music [Randy Remote ] re: Joni interviewed in new book ["mia ortlieb" ] Krall Blames Canada (and Elvis) [jrmco1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:01:32 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni needs a Dual Disc, was Re: new Springsteen > Careful what you wish for. If we got bonus video from Joni this year, I > fear we'd get an insightful 30 minute lecture in 3 parts: > > Part 1: The 4 races, > Part 2: That Incredible Medicine Wheel > Part 3: What a Fascinating Prophet Chief Seattle was... Bad, bad Lama. Bad. Kakki, choking ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 03:39:05 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Joni in SF photos (2) I've just added a couple of the photos that sorta came out of the ones I took of Joni at the Commonwealth Club, if anyone is interested. Quality is not the best, but they're viewable. Link is: http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/northeastjonifest/lst?.dir=/Julius+%26++Joni&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/ Sorry in advance for access issues. I'm glad to email the .jpgs privately to anyone who wants them. Cheers. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 06:03:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: CTV Website Photo - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > Yeah, and I also think it was very sunny and that she > may have had full sun on her, which made her skin look > paler and more washed out. They could have picked a > better shot. It doesn't even particularly look like > Joni. You're RIGHT! it looks like the new Pope! ouch! em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:39:22 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: no Joni Sherelle wrote: Darn! No Joni but I do try to spread the word wherever I can. Hi Sherelle! I felt just this way yesterday when I went to Best Buy here in Arkansas looking for Songs of a Praire Girl. They didn't have it!!! The guy who helped me was young and hadn't heard of Joni. So, it was good to see him walking through the store saying over and over to himself, "Joni Mitchell, Joni Mitchell, Joni Mitchell..." until he got to his computer and put her name in. He knows who she is now at least by name and long list of albums. Yes, the word was spread that day: "Joni Mitchell..." Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:44:59 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni descripton We can see that the skin around her neck, jawline and mouth is a little loose, as one might expect to see on a person over 60. Lord have mercy! Let's get a sample and do a collagen to elastin ratio on her! Oh my! When I read things like this I think... well, maybe you don't want to know what I think. Love and laughing, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:46:31 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: no Joni Hi Laura, That is terrific!!!! It's like you almost can't help it!!! My brain seems to be hotwired to look for any opportune moment! Love, Sherelle >From: LCStanley7@aol.com >To: joni@smoe.org >CC: sherellesmith@hotmail.com >Subject: Re: no Joni >Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:39:22 EDT > > >Sherelle wrote: > >Darn! No Joni but I do try to spread the word wherever I can. > > >Hi Sherelle! > > I felt just this way yesterday when I went to Best Buy here in >Arkansas >looking for Songs of a Praire Girl. They didn't have it!!! > > The guy who helped me was young and hadn't heard of Joni. So, it was >good to see him walking through the store saying over and over to himself, >"Joni Mitchell, Joni Mitchell, Joni Mitchell..." until he got to his >computer >and put her name in. He knows who she is now at least by name and long >list of >albums. > > Yes, the word was spread that day: "Joni Mitchell..." > >Love, >Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 11:11:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni needs a Dual Disc, was Re: new Springsteen - --- Kakki wrote: > > Careful what you wish for. If we got bonus video > from Joni this year, I > > fear we'd get an insightful 30 minute lecture in 3 > parts: > > > > Part 1: The 4 races, > > Part 2: That Incredible Medicine Wheel > > Part 3: What a Fascinating Prophet Chief Seattle > was... > > Bad, bad Lama. Bad. > > Kakki, choking You forgot: Part 4: The cesspool that is the music biz. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 08:54:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: no Joni Which reminds me - Who THE HELL is Joni???!!!:) I kiss you all Nuriel Sherelle Smith wrote: Hi Laura, That is terrific!!!! It's like you almost can't help it!!! My brain seems to be hotwired to look for any opportune moment! Love, Sherelle >From: LCStanley7@aol.com >To: joni@smoe.org >CC: sherellesmith@hotmail.com >Subject: Re: no Joni >Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:39:22 EDT > > >Sherelle wrote: > >Darn! No Joni but I do try to spread the word wherever I can. > > >Hi Sherelle! > > I felt just this way yesterday when I went to Best Buy here in >Arkansas >looking for Songs of a Praire Girl. They didn't have it!!! > > The guy who helped me was young and hadn't heard of Joni. So, it was >good to see him walking through the store saying over and over to himself, >"Joni Mitchell, Joni Mitchell, Joni Mitchell..." until he got to his >computer >and put her name in. He knows who she is now at least by name and long >list of >albums. > > Yes, the word was spread that day: "Joni Mitchell..." > >Love, >Laura Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:55:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Joni's xmass album Just wanted to let you know that i've no doubt whatsoever that Joni's Christmass album would see the light of day and i'm willing to bet it. Kiss you all Nuri Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:58:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: no Joni (indeed no Joni here) My dearest Em, Surely you didn't think that i'd live my infants alone in this tough times:) love ya' all Nuri Em wrote: OMG, its Nuri! happy to see you! :) Em - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Which reminds me - Who THE HELL is Joni???!!!:) > > I kiss you all > > Nuriel > > > > > > > > > Sherelle Smith wrote: > Hi Laura, > > That is terrific!!!! It's like you almost can't help it!!! My brain > seems to > be hotwired to look for any opportune moment! > > Love, Sherelle > > >From: LCStanley7@aol.com > >To: joni@smoe.org > >CC: sherellesmith@hotmail.com > >Subject: Re: no Joni > >Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:39:22 EDT > > > > > >Sherelle wrote: > > > >Darn! No Joni but I do try to spread the word wherever I can. > > > > > >Hi Sherelle! > > > > I felt just this way yesterday when I went to Best Buy here in > >Arkansas > >looking for Songs of a Praire Girl. They didn't have it!!! > > > > The guy who helped me was young and hadn't heard of Joni. So, it > was > >good to see him walking through the store saying over and over to > himself, > >"Joni Mitchell, Joni Mitchell, Joni Mitchell..." until he got to his > > >computer > >and put her name in. He knows who she is now at least by name and > long > >list of > >albums. > > > > Yes, the word was spread that day: "Joni Mitchell..." > > > >Love, > >Laura > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:45:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's xmass album - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Just wanted to let you know that i've no doubt > whatsoever that Joni's Christmass album would see > the light of day and i'm willing to bet it. > > Kiss you all > > Nuri And probably in the next month or two! Heck and goshdarnit! It's been a LONG TIME since the last compilation album came out. XOXO Xmas Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:24:38 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs I'm in the office listening to "You Turn Me On I'm A Radio" on FTR and I hear Joni sing: If you're lying on the beach With the transistor going And it occurs to me that, while I often tell people that most of Joni's songs are so timeless that they could be released today, the word "transistor" might be a mystery to some younger people. When was the last time you saw a transistor radio in use? Anyone want to play a round of "Dated terms in Joni's songs"? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:47:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs lol! Lori I have a little $6 Radio Shack transistor radio that came in very HANDY during the hurricanes last summer! Granted it has FM..but its your basic little old plastic radio, tinny sound and all. Or would that not have transistors in it? Looks for all the word just like little old radio's from days gone by..no digital anything... hmmm.... :) Em - --- Lori Fye wrote: > I'm in the office listening to "You Turn Me On I'm A Radio" on FTR > and I > hear Joni sing: > > If you're lying on the beach > With the transistor going > > And it occurs to me that, while I often tell people that most of > Joni's > songs are so timeless that they could be released today, the word > "transistor" might be a mystery to some younger people. When was the > last > time you saw a transistor radio in use? > > Anyone want to play a round of "Dated terms in Joni's songs"? > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 16:54:49 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs Two off the top of my head: the slang term "pig" for police officer in "California." And the reference to the Cold War in "Blue Motel Room." At 04:24 PM 4/29/2005, you wrote: >Anyone want to play a round of "Dated terms in Joni's songs"? > >Lori - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:15:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs What about the helicopter landing on the Pan Am roof? It's no longer the Pan Am building, right? Bob NP: Joni, "Solid Love" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:15:57 -0400 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: RE: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs My Old Man - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Deb Messling Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 4:55 PM To: Lori Fye Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs Two off the top of my head: the slang term "pig" for police officer in "California." And the reference to the Cold War in "Blue Motel Room." At 04:24 PM 4/29/2005, you wrote: >Anyone want to play a round of "Dated terms in Joni's songs"? > >Lori - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:24:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: "Dated" terms in Joni's songs "typewriters" "Negro" "love" - --Smurf - --- Deb Messling wrote: > Two off the top of my head: the slang term "pig" > for police officer in > "California." And the reference to the Cold War in > "Blue Motel Room." > > > At 04:24 PM 4/29/2005, you wrote: > >Anyone want to play a round of "Dated terms in > Joni's songs"? > > > >Lori > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > messling@enter.net > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:14:02 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Joni needs a Dual Disc, was Re: new Springsteen Right, right! Good catch. If we all pooled our ideas, we could script our own "Joni Mitchell" interview. Too bad we can't pool our ideas and come up with an album of new piano songs by "Joni Mitchell". :( The glass is more than half full though. Jim Catherine McKay wrote: > You forgot: > Part 4: The cesspool that is the music biz. Kakki, choking, said, >>Bad, bad Lama. Bad. jim said, >>>Careful what you wish for. >>>Part 1: The 4 races, >>>Part 2: That Incredible Medicine Wheel >>>Part 3: What a Fascinating Prophet Chief Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:33:28 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: from just-ice to just re-released joni music Not to argue, but I heard Bessie Smith singing a tune called "Do Your Duty" which contained this charming couplet: "When your down on your luck, give you lover your last f. Do your duty." Grace might be in the running too? What about the JMDL women? Anne, Kate, Anita, have you ever used the F word in a song? Lama RR said, >Probably the first woman to do so.> vince wrote: >> Oh come on. Joni was saying "fuck" on records when Eminem was still in >> grammar school. >> >> I think Joni taught everyone to say fuck in a recording studio. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:57:57 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Joni Won't Sing in Saskatoon Right. Sure. The people who have a gripe are the one-hit-wonders who got dropped. Joni, on the other hand, can seemingly turn in anything she dreams up and they happily release it. She complains about the machinery in the liner notes of the GEFFEN box, then immediately *THANKS* the individuals at Geffen who helped her make the project happen. She thanked them by name. I think it's the old cliche that "A novel is a bird with two wings: a protagonist and an antagonist." Joni's job is to bicker, cajole, negotiate, and (ultimately) master the machinery. It must be a job to get stuff done. Paz said it was an unbelievable briar patch of details to get the permissions necessary to release the PazFest vol 1 set. It must be the same for Joni. I guess it's another reason for me to be grateful, ya know? She could just paint but she's still "framing" her songs for us too. Is it possible that she actually enjoys going through the typical interview? Maybe venting is therapeutic. Sincerely, Jim Em said, >What I don't *get* is if the whole "biz" is so rotten, why is Joni so attached to LA where she lives? Just seems it would reek constantly of the industry, much to her presumable nausea.> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 01:44:46 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: SJC Christa Couture I just heard this young lady singing on CBC radio today. Another Joni-inspired girl-with-a-guitar, but who rises slightly above the crowd, imho. Lovely, intimate vocals. I checked out her website, which is very well done, simple and charming in its simplicity. You can listen to several tunes from her EP, Starter. I particularly liked Day 4 and The Net. I think some of you may like this as well. Her bio is quite interesting, talk about overcoming obstacles... Enjoy, http://www.christacouture.com/ Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft. SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 18:57:12 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: from just-ice to just re-released joni music "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > Not to argue, but I heard Bessie Smith singing a tune called "Do Your > Duty" which contained this charming couplet: > "When your down on your luck, > give you lover your last f. > Do your duty." > > Grace might be in the running too? The lyrics (published anyway) are: If you want to have some love Give your baby your last buck Don't come quackin' like a duck Do your duty Maybe Ms Smith changed it, I'm guessing it's a misheard. You do score a point regarding Grace Slick, however- She sang "Up Against the Wall Motherfucker" in chorus with her bandmates on 1969's "Volunteers", trumping Lennon by a year. There is a deliciously thorough discussion of the word here: http://www.answers.com/topic/fuck RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:04:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: SJC Christa Couture Michael O'Malley said: > I checked out her website, which is very well done, simple and charming in > its simplicity. Brilliant. One of the best designed I've seen. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:14:01 -0500 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Joni interviewed in new book Catherine, like you, it rubs me the wrong way, too. I think the press is twisting words around here. Maybe Joni was discussing the intensity and turbulence of the short-lived relationship. But the statement from the book sounds like a case of Joni "cheapening other meaningful relationships" (using one of her own historical quotes here). Mia rmco1@aol.com wrote: >This from www.contactmusic.com: > >JONI MITCHELL has paid former boyfriend JAMES TAYLOR >the ultimate compliment in a new book - she says she's celibate >because she couldn't find a lover who measured up to the singer. > I know that book and that particular excerpt was mentioned before and I thought I would give it some time to see if it still struck me the same way on reading it later on. It does. Is it just me, or does it sound like a crock? Either someone is making stuff up, or misquoting Joan, or taking her out of context, or maybe she has either lost it, or is seriously living in the past - whaddya think, everyone? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:18:59 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Krall Blames Canada (and Elvis) Here's some weekend reading for ya, if you will. "Diana" in the interview is Krall. And yes, there's JC, plus an easy 'name that tune,' for some of our newbies out there, maybe... It's from CNN.com: - -Julius Diana thank you very much for speaking with us, welcome to Hong Kong. You up until recently have really been known as an interpreter of songs by other people and I just mentioned you are now writing a lot of your own compositions. Why are you doing this? DK: I met the right collaborator (LH: Being?) to write with, Elvis Costello. (LH: Right, your husband). Hm, my husband. LH: Was it...was it something that you always wanted to do but never really got a chance to do? DK: Yes because I think that I look at interpreting the music of great American songwriters, George and Ira Gershwin, Cole Porter, Sammy Con, Jimmy Van Heusen and you know, like a character interpreting a great play. So you have to believe in what you are singing about, but then you have the freedom to soar and play over the harmonies that these wonderful writers...songs like "My Funny Valentine" where if you listen to Miles Davis, or Chet Baker, which is very very different. So I found it a very creative, highly creative outlet for me, and I didn't really feel it was my time to write. I didn't want to start trying to rewrite Cole Porter or these Great American Standards that I was studying so hard. So...Elvis and I weren't trying to do that we were just...we just started to write. LH: Right. Now this latest album, The Girl in the Other Room, you seemed to have even blossomed more as a songwriter. What do you put that down to? Just working with your husband or being more confident about your abilities? DK: Oh never confident about my abilities; that's a constant battle. I think that's what drives us, it's the divine dissatisfaction. And when you have someone who loves you and who also loves you enough...that you trust who's going to say, "You can do better" or "Don't give up" or "Don't throw it in the fire yet. Take it out of the burning embers and let's keep working on it" or "Leave it alone and...just be, not analyze it too much." LH: This album in particular had special meaning to you correct? DK: Every album has special meaning to me, this was more outwardly personal. DK: For me, The Look of Love was more of a preparation for me about loss and songs like "I Get Along Without You Very Well," "I Remember You," but this was more...very very literally personal about my experiences after my mother's death in "Departure Bay," which is the song that I sort of I keep close to my heart, I think the most from this album. LH: Was it difficult to write that song? DK: Well difficult is not the right word. (LH: Challenging?) Well it's always challenging but it's highly satisfying, highly...I think one of the greatest experiences I've had in my life was playing at the Olympia in Paris, and playing "Departure Bay." Now you're from Vancouver so you know you take the ferry boat from Vancouver Island, Departure Bay to Horseshoe Bay, and as a kid you...wanting to be a jazz musician, that's the big city initially, from Nanaymo to Vancouver, and then Vancouver to New York. That's why I like Joni Mitchell, she talks about seaplanes and ferry boats, all things that I can relate to that are right at home. So you work so hard to be a jazz musician and go to New York City only to realize when you come home, the things that were ordinary to you are more extraordinary. And so I found it exciting to write about my hometown and then to go to Paris and play...start playing "Departure Bay" and having a Parisian audience clapping for that particular song. I thought how the hell did that happen? ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #126 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)