From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #115 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, April 20 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 115 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's disdain of the music biz - can any one help? ["Allison Crowe M] Re: Six Classic Albums [ROBMSTEEN@aol.com] Re: Joni's disdain of the music biz - can any one help? [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: Judy singing Joni [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Joni and Shawn [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Joni and Shawn [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Hejira v Blue [Bobsart48@aol.com] Fwd: Re: Hejira v Blue [Em ] Re: "Songs of A Prairie Girl", in stores next Monday! ["McMillan Brad" ] RE: Shawn Colvin--sjc ["Richard Flynn" ] damn it its Ratsinger [vince ] Re: Job's Sad Song ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Job's Sad Song ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Hejira v Blue [Bob Muller ] Re: "Songs of A Prairie Girl", in stores next Monday! ["Lama, Jim L'Homme] Re: Hejira v Blue [Smurf ] Re: "Songs of A Prairie Girl", in stores next Monday! [FMYFL@aol.com] Joni Hideaway (to the Tune of SD's Jany Runaway) [littlebreen@comcast.net] Musings of an Architect with a like mindedness to Joni-SJC ["Lindsay Moon] Re: Joni and Shawn [kate@katebennett.com] Re: Recent transfers offer (B&P/FTP) ["Music Is Special" Subject: Re: Joni's disdain of the music biz - can any one help? I believe, Frank, you're recalling the W Magazine article/interview of a year or two back. It's likely archived in the Library at the JMDL site ( http://www.jmdl.com/ ) If you can't find it, feel free to email me, I have a copy I can dig up. cheers, Adrian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 04:24:31 EDT From: ROBMSTEEN@aol.com Subject: Re: Six Classic Albums A half-dozen crackers, eh? Not sure Elt can boast of anything like that many. The Who, Stones and Zep can't, nor Stevie W, nor Bob Marley, nor Elvis, C or P. Heresy I know, but I also think Dylan struggles. On the other hand, IMHO, Van Morrison (Astral Weeks, Moondance, St Dominic's Preview, Hardnose the Highway, Veedon Fleece, It's Too Late...), Steely Dan, Laura Nyro, Neil Young and Todd Rundgren all qualify in this book, the last-named with something to spare. As for Hejira being "the greatest record ever made", I wouldn't argue excessively with that, other than by proffering Astral Weeks and Something/Anything as viable rivals. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:23:33 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: Joni's disdain of the music biz - can any one help? Hi Frank Our website www.jmdl.com has a VAST amount of stuff that has been archived in the library and you can search on any word, date, publication etc etc so your best bet is to try there. It's pretty complete. Much Joni Jamie Zoob in London --- Tejas4x4@aol.com wrote: > Hello there! > > Does anyone know where I can find any information > where Joni shares her > disdain of the music industry. Interviews, articles > etc..I seem to remember a > lengthy interview that Joni did where pretty much > all she talked about was that. I > am writing a paper and collecting data at this > point. Any guidance would be > very appreciated. I am mostly a lurker and don't get > in the pipe much but do > know and have met a few of you. I do keep a pulse on > the list though. > GREAT group of people. Thanks in advance, Take Care, > Frank > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 03:46:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni piano arrangments/transcriptions <(Hey SCBob -- can you remind me which cover this is/was, and any chance I could get it from you?)> You're thinking of the uber-lovely cover of River by Dianne Reeves - she's released both a studio and a live version. I can send you the .wma file or an entire volume - contact me off-list and we'll work it out. Bob NP: John Mayer, "Your Body Is A Wonderland" Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 03:48:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni's disdain of the music biz - can any one help? Frank - others have directed you to the library, which is the exact right place. I would add that you might want to use the text search tool and enter the word "cesspool". That should put you right in the heart of Joni at her bitchiest. Bob NP: Elvis C, "Black & White World" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 05:13:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Joni's disdain of the music biz - can any one help? - --- Bob Muller wrote: > I would add that you > might want to use the text search tool and enter the > word "cesspool". That should put you right in the > heart of Joni at her bitchiest. > Good call, Bob! Other words from that same interview: hair extensions, grab, tits, crotch. - --Smurf Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:17:18 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Beaker Street,sjc MINGUS wrote: Thanks for the Blast from the past and tell old Clyde I'm still a fan. He's made history! Hi Mingus, I'll tell him. You mentioned his soft spoken voice, yep, that's Dale (Clyde)! He's very kind hearted and very politically in the know. He would be good on a radio talk show. We always have the most interesting conversations. He's a big SciFi buff, and he knows all about computers so when I have techno problems, I've asked him. I've learned a lot from him. I sure didn't know he was so instrumental in the course of music history. He told me once that he was the first DJ to play Led Zep here in Arkansas which I thought was cool. But, I didn't know his show was broadcast all over the world and never imagined that anybody on the list might have heard of him. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:29:28 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Judy singing Joni > Having been sufficiently impressed by Joni's first two records to have covered > 4 songs from them, perhaps Judy should give some of Joni's more recent CD's > (from LOTC on) a listen :-) Yeah. I9d just love to hear her tackle Empty, Try Another in concert. Jerry :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:26:12 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Judy singing Joni Jerry wrote: "Judy's new cd comes out tomorrow and I received my copy today. It is wonderful and her recording of Midway is magnificent. Bob, your copy for the Covers Project is on its way!" Hmmm, I just saw her a week or two ago at the Beacon Theatre, where she performed Midway (and, later, BSN - she also sang about 8 measures of Michael From Mountains a capella in reply to audience request). After Midway, she made a point of referring to "that Joni Mitchell song". I would guess that few in the audience did not already know that. Still, I thought it interesting to note that there still seemed to be a tip of the cap there. I had assumed Judy had recorded it years ago - consulting Joni Under Cover, I see that I was wrong on that inference. Judy looked fit, and her voice is still quite strong and pure. I'm glad I went to see her. Having been sufficiently impressed by Joni's first two records to have covered 4 songs from them, perhaps Judy should give some of Joni's more recent CD's (from LOTC on) a listen :-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:53:30 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Shawn Bob Muller said: > > "Joni didn't really diss Shawn too badly - she just responded to comments > that Shawn made about Joni being her inspiration by saying that her music > wasn't like hers at all." And Jerry replied "I hear Joni say this often, and it bothers me, especially with her claims as artist. Many people are inspired to do their own work because of the work of another. It doesn't mean their work has to look or sound like those who inspire them." My take on this is that we are looking at a vicious circle of oversensitivities. Joni understands Jerry's point on an intellectual level, but on an emotional level does not like others' (lesser) work being compared to hers in any way, while the others who were inspired by Joni do not want to have to feel compared (unfavorably) to her, and are anxious to have their own work evaluated on its own two feet and especially not as copycat material, while the press knows that they can push these semi-irrational hot buttons with even the slightest suggestion of a question, and do so in order to get a rise out of the artist/interviewee. It is a cheap tactic, really, IMO. But of course, the readers love to read it........... so who's fault is it, anyway? Like I said, IMO its a bit of a Circle Game. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:17:26 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni and Shawn Joni understands Jerry's point on an intellectual level, > but on an > emotional level does not like others' (lesser) work being compared to hers in > any > way, And yet she never fails to compare herself to Van Gogh, a long stretch to be sure. Jerry np: Martha Wainwright - Bloody Mother F***king A**hole ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:16:48 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Hejira v Blue Bob Muller declared (not for the first time) re Hejira "Not that it's a real big issue, mind you, but then again we are talking about THE BEST RECORD EVER MADE. " I cannot even say that I disagree. However, in the case of Blue, Joni's own comments from an interview in 1983 suggests her own bias toward what that record achieved. "The purest one of all, of course, is Blue. At the time, I was absolutely transparent, like cellophane...that would be a beautiful space if is wasn't so scary....having no defense.... you have no pretense...... Interviewer: that can be an awfully painful state' ...... Joni: "But it produced that beautiful album. There is not a false note on that album. I love that record more than any of them , really...... and I'll never be that pure again (laughs)." My hypothesis (here I suspect I am repeating myself again.... :-) ) is that part of the magic of Blue was being there at the time of its release. It had never been done before....and never since, really. That feeling of being blown away by something so new - and thus, uncopied. So, the hypothesis is that the ones who were there when Blue came out lean toward Blue - those who came later lean toward Hejira. Probably not worth a statistical analysis, but I expect more challenges to the theory from those who disagree than 'dittos' from those who agree. This is not to dismiss the merits of the arguments of those who champion FTR or C&S or Hissing or S&L even as the greatest......just reflecting the numerical Blue/Hejira battle at the top of the popularity list - JMDL'ers vs the rest of the world. I still cannot make up my mind. Don't really want to. Not Sophie's choice, but needlessly painful anyway. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 06:54:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Fwd: Re: Hejira v Blue I have to be a Blue-ite. If for no other reason than the acoustic instrumentation. Not sure I can imagine Hejira done "acoustic"...but if it were...hmm..what if... I think its apples and oranges, really. Em > --- Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > > > ......just reflecting > > the > > numerical Blue/Hejira battle at the top of the popularity list - > > JMDL'ers vs the > > rest of the world. > > > > I still cannot make up my mind. Don't really want to. Not Sophie's > > choice, > > but needlessly painful anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:06:59 -0400 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: "Songs of A Prairie Girl", in stores next Monday! There are so many cool images on the Hejira cover. Besides the "Black Crow" shot, I have always liked the male figure skater framing the girl in the wedding dress with his arms. And of course, the main shot of Joni, looking marvelous, with a highway running through her heart...... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" To: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ; Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: Re: "Songs of A Prairie Girl", in stores next Monday! > < He shot the main photo you see on the cover of Hejira.> > > The credits for the photos on Hejira are for Bernstein & Norman Seeff - I was always under the impression that Seeff took that classic cover shot, and Bernstein took the one of her skating away with her "crow wings". Not that it's a real big issue, mind you, but then again we are talking about THE BEST RECORD EVER MADE. And to further confuse things, there's more than one photo that makes up the Hejira cover, so it could be a composite from both. > > Monday (April 25, 2005).> > > I believe that it will actually be available the following day. Typically the new releases are available on Tuesdays, and the 26th has been the advertised release date for SOAPG. > > Bob > > NP: Ani, "Cradle And All" (live version) > Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:01:07 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: "Songs of A Prairie Girl", in stores next Monday! >For years I thought it was a desert floor, as in "driving across a burning desert" on DON JUAN'S RECKLESS DAUGHTER.< That line is from Amelia on hejira ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:06:26 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Shawn Colvin--sjc >I hear Joni say this often, and it bothers me, especially with her claims as artist. Many people are inspired to do their own work because of the work of another. It doesn't mean their work has to look or sound like those who inspire them. Jerry< I agree with you jerry, although it has been my experience that the press generally changes things slightly to get the story they want, I do think the kind of attitude you mention is quite self involved... inspiration does not mean imitation... I hear joni references throughout shawn's work in a very creative way ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:28:39 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Shawn Colvin--sjc I was heartened to hear Shawn was working on a new album--she really must be wonderful live, judging from the recordings I have (and that 1988 one is nice, too). Wish I could see her. I think that the production on "A Few Small Repairs" works, for the most part, and the production on "Whole New You" often doesn't. The live stuff on the video with Larry Klein on bass and Steuart Smith is great. Smith truly is a virtuoso. A few years back I took some lessons, trying to learn some new tricks (I'm afraid I remain an old dog) from a teacher who had worked with Smith and he said that the reason Smith gets those fabulous sounds is that he looks at the guitar neck as if it were a keyboard. I wonder if he played primarily in guitar keys or piano keys ;-) Piano keys, I think, are . . . every chord that you feel That broken trees and elephant ivories conceal - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Kate Bennett Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:06 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Shawn Colvin--sjc >I hear Joni say this often, and it bothers me, especially with her claims as artist. Many people are inspired to do their own work because of the work of another. It doesn't mean their work has to look or sound like those who inspire them. Jerry< I agree with you jerry, although it has been my experience that the press generally changes things slightly to get the story they want, I do think the kind of attitude you mention is quite self involved... inspiration does not mean imitation... I hear joni references throughout shawn's work in a very creative way ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:54:18 -0400 From: vince Subject: damn it its Ratsinger Ratsinger of Germany is the new pope, he was JP2s hatchet man, the man who silenced Hans King, Matthew Fox, and so many other Catholic theologians, a very right winger reactionary man. He is Benedict the 16th (I think I have the number right). God spare the Church. (the Rev) Vince, crying bitter tears of dashed hopes for a Pope like John XXIII ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:27:18 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Job's Sad Song Dear Sherelle, I'm so glad your musical career is taking off! May all your dreams come true, never stop putting your amazing talent out there. Hope to see you in September. love db >>> "Sherelle Smith" 4/18/2005 3:56:01 PM >>> Dear Donna, No tears my friend! I felt a similar sadness when I've missed all the wonderful Jonifests but there is a time for every season. It seems like musical dreams are starting to come true for many on this list and I would like to be one of those persons too. My hope and dream is to have my own concert this September at the same exact venue. Right now, they have a date open for September 17th so my daughter who is managing the business end for me and I are trying to snag the date. I also have this guy who is a vocalist/guitarist to hopefully open for me and he will knock your socks off! His name is Steve and he has this unbelievable voice! He was actually playing across the street at the Metro Station (He played real good for free) and I was so amazed by what I heard, I went up to him and gave him my card. So that is my dream and it looks like a realistic one. Maybe I can see you there but if not, I will see you sometime. I don't plan on turning back now!!! Love, Sherelle >From: "Donna Binkley" >To: , >CC: >Subject: Re: Job's Sad Song >Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:43:56 -0500 > >Sherelle & Walt, > >You both never cease to amaze me with your wisdom and kind words on >this list. Thanks to you both for being here. > >Dear Sherelle, congratulations on your success on Saturday night. I >got tears reading Bob's account of it this morning, but now that I'm >done feeling sorry for myself for not being able to make it, I wanted to >express my continued support and admiration of your talent. love db > > >>> "Sherelle Smith" 4/18/2005 11:05:58 AM > >>> >Hi Walt, > >I didn't have to deal with such tremendous difficulites as you but I >had >some pretty tough emotional issues to deal with in 2000-2001. I used to >use >Job's Sad Song-Sire of Sorrow to help vent my own feelings of >frustration >and hopelessness. My favorite line is the same but I with the addition >of a >couple of phrases" > >"Oh, you tireless Watcher...What have I done to you that you make >everything >I dread, and everything I fear come true.." > >I also love the supposed "friend's" lines in the background: > >"We don't despise Your chastening...God is correcting you..." > >I learned through this ordeal that bad things happening in your life >doesn't >have to mean that you are a bad person as Job's friends assumed. > >Sherelle > > >Walt wrote: > >[Joni-as-therapy aside: When I was battling cancer and pneumocystis in > >'95-'96, >I used to sing along to, and break down doing so, Job's Sad Song from >TI, >esp. >the line "What have I done to you, that you make everything I say and >everything >I do come true?" What a great line of rage!! (Heart and humor >translates, >for >me, into ferocity and laughter). Four years later, when my father got >terminally ill and I went home to RI to help my sister and mom take >care of >him >in the fall of '99, I used to sing "Facelift". Although the song >mostly >makes >me smile -- I love the poetry of the last stanza -- for some reason, >Joni's >obvious struggle to deal with her mother, even as she was in her 50's >and >her >mom in her 80's, both charms me and makes me weep, the latter spe. the >line >"For >God's sake, I'm middle aged, Mama, and time moves swift, and you know, > >etc."...] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:19:44 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Job's Sad Song Wahhhhh! Now you are going to make me cry! That goes for you too! Love, Sherelle >From: "Donna Binkley" >To: , >CC: >Subject: Re: Job's Sad Song >Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:27:18 -0500 > >Dear Sherelle, > >I'm so glad your musical career is taking off! May all your dreams >come true, never stop putting your amazing talent out there. Hope to >see you in September. love db > > >>> "Sherelle Smith" 4/18/2005 3:56:01 PM > >>> > >Dear Donna, > >No tears my friend! I felt a similar sadness when I've missed all the >wonderful Jonifests but there is a time for every season. It seems like > >musical dreams are starting to come true for many on this list and I >would >like to be one of those persons too. > >My hope and dream is to have my own concert this September at the same >exact >venue. Right now, they have a date open for September 17th so my >daughter >who is managing the business end for me and I are trying to snag the >date. I >also have this guy who is a vocalist/guitarist to hopefully open for me >and >he will knock your socks off! His name is Steve and he has this >unbelievable >voice! He was actually playing across the street at the Metro Station >(He >played real good for free) and I was so amazed by what I heard, I went >up to >him and gave him my card. > >So that is my dream and it looks like a realistic one. Maybe I can see >you >there but if not, I will see you sometime. I don't plan on turning back > >now!!! > >Love, Sherelle > > >From: "Donna Binkley" > >To: , > >CC: > >Subject: Re: Job's Sad Song > >Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:43:56 -0500 > > > >Sherelle & Walt, > > > >You both never cease to amaze me with your wisdom and kind words on > >this list. Thanks to you both for being here. > > > >Dear Sherelle, congratulations on your success on Saturday night. I > >got tears reading Bob's account of it this morning, but now that I'm > >done feeling sorry for myself for not being able to make it, I wanted >to > >express my continued support and admiration of your talent. love db > > > > >>> "Sherelle Smith" 4/18/2005 11:05:58 >AM > > >>> > >Hi Walt, > > > >I didn't have to deal with such tremendous difficulites as you but I > >had > >some pretty tough emotional issues to deal with in 2000-2001. I used >to > >use > >Job's Sad Song-Sire of Sorrow to help vent my own feelings of > >frustration > >and hopelessness. My favorite line is the same but I with the >addition > >of a > >couple of phrases" > > > >"Oh, you tireless Watcher...What have I done to you that you make > >everything > >I dread, and everything I fear come true.." > > > >I also love the supposed "friend's" lines in the background: > > > >"We don't despise Your chastening...God is correcting you..." > > > >I learned through this ordeal that bad things happening in your life > >doesn't > >have to mean that you are a bad person as Job's friends assumed. > > > >Sherelle > > > > > >Walt wrote: > > > >[Joni-as-therapy aside: When I was battling cancer and pneumocystis >in > > > >'95-'96, > >I used to sing along to, and break down doing so, Job's Sad Song from > >TI, > >esp. > >the line "What have I done to you, that you make everything I say and > >everything > >I do come true?" What a great line of rage!! (Heart and humor > >translates, > >for > >me, into ferocity and laughter). Four years later, when my father >got > >terminally ill and I went home to RI to help my sister and mom take > >care of > >him > >in the fall of '99, I used to sing "Facelift". Although the song > >mostly > >makes > >me smile -- I love the poetry of the last stanza -- for some reason, > >Joni's > >obvious struggle to deal with her mother, even as she was in her 50's > >and > >her > >mom in her 80's, both charms me and makes me weep, the latter spe. >the > >line > >"For > >God's sake, I'm middle aged, Mama, and time moves swift, and you >know, > > > >etc."...] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:28:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Hejira v Blue Hi Bob - I was just thinking about you this weekend and wondering where you'd gotten to, so I was particularly happy to see your name in my inbox. In calling Hejira the greatest etc etc, I was being mostly tongue-in-cheek; I mean, it is for ME but even amongst Joni's work it's tough rating one over the other. Leave it to Googlefight and Blue will ALWAYS win! And most critics and fans list Blue as THE ONE. Of course, if you want to duel with Joni quotes, you could use the recent one where she states that the stuff on TBOS is her best work...pure BS, I know that, you know that, and even she knows that. She's just sticking up for her "children" that aren't strong enough to defend themselves. As for you comment about Judy - you're right, of course - but she's not too different from everyone else who keeps going back 30 years to pick a Joni song to cover. It would have been really neat for her to snag a pretty love song like "Man From Mars" or something - it's not like her voice is limited, she's taken good care of her instrument for sure. Bob NP: Keb' Mo', "A Letter to Tracy" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:39:02 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: "Songs of A Prairie Girl", in stores next Monday! I defer to my esteemed colleague from the great state of South Carolina. Working from a faulty memory, I forgot the cover isn't mostly a frozen lake. [I'm sure you're right, Bob, that the part that *looks* like a fashion shot was made by Seeff, since that was his speciality. He's the fashion photographer who shot Joni in the pool, doing the backstroke on the lyric page of THOSL, as well as the outtake I have at home. :) I love to mention that when I can! I'd bet my WNKU coffe mug that the frozen lake part was Joel's. If I recall the lore correctly, he shot super-8 that day too, which was very, very skillfully used in the PBS film.] Sincerely, Jim Bob Muller wrote: > The credits for the photos on Hejira are for Bernstein & Norman > Seeff - I was always under the impression that Seeff took that > classic cover shot, and Bernstein took the one of her skating away > with her "crow wings". Not that it's a real big issue, mind you, but > then again we are talking about THE BEST RECORD EVER MADE. And to > further confuse things, there's more than one photo that makes up > the Hejira cover, so it could be a composite from both. > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:25:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Hejira v Blue - --- About Ms. Collins, Mr. Muller wrote: > she's taken good care of her instrument for sure. I noticed that my voice has gotten a slight bit higher just the other day when I was listening to a recording made almost two years ago. Must be because I quit smoking almost a year and a half ago. Or it could be that my pants are tighter. As far as the "Hejira" vs. "Blue" album debate goes, it's apparently easier to pick a pope... I am just ever so slightly a bit of a teeny little smidgen on the side of "H" because it has some of Joni's most inspired "poetry," as opposed to "lyrics" (which are still great throughout every part of her career). I love how her voice sounded then, too. "H" also is in many ways Joni at her peak as far as picking great musicians and then working with them to create something holy that rises above all other human aspirations for perfection of any kind -- except for "Blue," of course, which is the bare soul of simplicity, but also just absolutely sublime in every way. Ratzinger? Why do I keep waiting for Ashton Kutcher to walk in and tell me I'm being Punk'd? (If he shows up, Vince, I'll send him to Muncie!) - --Smurf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:01:49 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: "Songs of A Prairie Girl", in stores next Monday! I think Lama and Bob both might be correct. I was just looking at my "Hejira" songbook, and the famous cover "with the phallic symbol" in the road, LOL.....gives credit to both Seeff and Bernstein, but it shows all the B&W credits given to Bernstein which would include the frozen lake pic....so Jim, I think you get to keep your mug. Jimmy NW: American Idol.....rootin for my hometown girl Vonzelle In a message dated 4/19/2005 6:40:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: > I'm sure you're right, Bob, that the part that *looks* like a fashion > shot was made by Seeff, since that was his speciality. He's the fashion > photographer who shot Joni in the pool, doing the backstroke on the > lyric page of THOSL, as well as the outtake I have at home. :) I love > to mention that when I can! I'd bet my WNKU coffe mug that the frozen > lake part was Joel's. If I recall the lore correctly, he shot super-8 > that day too, which was very, very skillfully used in the PBS film.] > > Sincerely, > Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 00:02:10 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Joni Hideaway (to the Tune of SD's Jany Runaway) Hi gang, Well, I was listening to Steely Dan's "Two Against Nature" album again, trying to get the complex rhythms and key changes by following the songs with the sheet music I just got, when it really struck me for the first time how perfectly their (as usual, slightly creepy) "Jany Runaway" could be reworked, with really just a few word changes, to suit early Joni. Here Goes: Joni Hideaway It must have been that ukulele That someone gave to thee After C. Mitchell gave your name fire You hopped a bus for NYC Up in Toronto the future looked cold, with no frillage Now you're the wonderwaif of Chelsea, the Village Who makes the morning fabulous? Who makes today a fun day? Why do I feel like sailing again? Honey, it's you, Joni Hideaway. Let's grab some takeout From Dean and DeLuca, A hearty gulping wine You be the waif-- I'll be James Taylor, Way back in '69 Sweetness in bangs, Look at you in a long pink dress! Come to Ol' Mudslide Don't make me guess Who makes the traffic interesting? Rescues a dreary Sunday? Who makes you feel like painting again? Honey, it's you, Joni Hideaway! Let's plan a weekend alone together, Drive out to Cosby's place. A secret place in Colorado? Your choice -- don't make a fed'ral case. Let's take the VW bus, it's roomy inside -- I'd love to have you along for the ride! Who has a friend name Mama Cass? Who's not afraid to try new chords? Who wants to rent a piano in Spain? Honey, it's you, Joni Hideaway! Who makes the morning fabulous? Rescues a dreary Sunday? Who wants to learn the dulc'mer in Greece? Defintely you, Joni Hideaway? Oh well, at least this time I'm not writing in tongues -- tell me what you think! Best, Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:06:00 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Musings of an Architect with a like mindedness to Joni-SJC I was leafing through a TIME mag. special section on style and design (basically, an ad flyer for how Williams-Sonoma and its various brands are taking over our minds) and found a brief interview with an Italian architect named Renzo Piano who designed the Pompidou Center in Paris. He had some things to say that rang oddly reminiscent of Joni and her statements on her music and art: (On how his style is very different with each building): "If you do something like the Pompidou, then for 10 years people keep asking you for the same thing. Style in the negative sense, as a repetitive gesture, a kind of logo - -- this is the end of freedom for the architect." Anyone for Joni's "Paint "A Starry Night" again, man!" speech on MOA, or her musical/artistic experimentation. (On how architects have become celebrities): "I don't think it's a good thing. It doesn't celebrate architecture; it celebrates the architects. It's a sad story, because they can become trapped in the necessity to repeat themselves so as not to lose their recognizability...." Sounds to me like Joni when she bemoans how our culture focuses on the artist and not the art. And how many musicians today are merely repeating themselves or are too derivative of previous generations' artists instead of coming up with something new. Maybe we should get these two together for lunch or something ... Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:07:18 -0700 (PDT) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: Re: Joni and Shawn >Joni ... does not like others' (lesser) work being compared to hers< i don't think shawn's work is lesser... i think much of it is equal to joni's... music is quite subjective anyway... joni seems so gracious to her fans & i wish she would learn to be that way towards other songwriters... she's been an influence & that is a compliment, not a comparison, not a competition! i don't mind her calling the industry as cesspool cuz it is... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:06:57 -0500 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: Re: Recent transfers offer (B&P/FTP) thanks again for mastering these disks and sharing them - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Domyancich" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 7:52 AM Subject: Recent transfers offer (B&P/FTP) > Hey everyone, > > After taking a few years off from the list I'm back to make an offer > for 2 shows I recently converted from my DATs. The NOJ&HF show is > fairly common but I know the CD-R copy I received long ago had at > least 1 cassette generation - this is from a straight up DAT clone. > > The Minneapolis show I'm not sure about, it was new to me and I know a > certain someone on here didn't know about it before I mentioned it. ;) > > So, my offer is for either flac or CD audio, you may download the > flacs from me via FTP, or you can receive either or both of the shows > in CD audio or flac via B&P. Please, do not torrent either of these > shows on easytree.org or sharingthegroove.org (if it ever comes back), > if you want to host them on the DC server, go ahead. I say this > because there's been a recent rash of shows being offered on easytree > that have subsequently been put on ebay. I will be looking on both > sites regularly to make sure they don't show up on there. > > Below are the text files for both shows. Please email me privately if > you are interested. > > Mark > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Joni Mitchell > 5/6/1995 > New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival, New Orleans, LA > > Source: unknown AUD > DAT @ 48kHz > Conversion: DA-20 MK II > S/PDIF > Audiophile 2496 > WaveLab > Sound Forge > > CD Wave > flac16 > DAT provided by: Enrico Perissinotto > Converted by: Mark Domyancich (mark.domyancich@gmail.com) > > ***DO NOT CONVERT TO MP3 OR ANY OTHER LOSSY FORMAT!*** > > CD 1: [78:43.00] > > 1. Introduction [01:36.70] > 2. Sex Kills* [05:09.03] > 3. Moon At The Window [05:21.08] > 4. The Magdalene Laundries [06:02.07] > 5. Refuge Of The Roads [07:11.30] > 6. Night Ride Home@ [04:07.19] > 7. Love's Cries [04:17.63] > 8. Yvette In English [05:37.21] > 9. Just Like This Train [06:58.24] > 10. The Three > Great Stimulants [05:57.24] > 11. Amelia [05:54.12] > 12. Hejira [07:11.62] > 13. Happiness Is > The Best Face Lift [05:07.04] > Encore: > 14. Song For Sharon [08:11.28] > > *dropout at 01:40.60 > *minor diginoise at 02:51.09 > > Notes: > -Joni's first live performance with the Roland VG-8. > -There is some slight distortion in the left channel in some parts - this is > most likely due to no bass roll-off used. > -WaveLab was used for resampling; Sound Forge was used for fades and > normalization. > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Joni Mitchell > 10/23/1998 > Target Center, Minneapolis, MN > > Source: SBD > DAT @ 48kHz > Conversion: DA-20 MK II > S/PDIF > Audiophile 2496 > WaveLab > Sound Forge > > CD Wave > flac16 > DAT provided by: Mario Caprilli > Converted by: Mark Domyancich (mark.domyancich@gmail.com) > > ***DO NOT CONVERT TO MP3 OR ANY OTHER LOSSY FORMAT*** > > CD 1: [78:46.18] > > 1. //Big Yellow Taxi* [02:47.50] > 2. Just Like This Train [05:45.29] > 3. Night Ride Home [03:41.61] > 4. The Crazy Cries Of Love [04:05.31] > 5. Free Man In Paris [03:05.57] > 6. Harry's House [04:21.69] > 7. Black Crow [03:38.66] > 8. Amelia [07:06.03] > 9. Hejira [06:38.41] > 10. Don Juan's > Reckless Daughter [07:23.54] > 11. Face Lift [05:04.48] > 12. Sex Kills [04:50.59] > 13. The Magdalene Laundries [06:06.56] > 14. Moon At The Window [04:28.41] > 15. Trouble Man [03:53.63] > 16. Comes Love [05:46.40] > > *cut from 00:11.03-00:11.28 > > Notes: > -Waves L3 UltraMaximizer's "Hi-Res CD Master" setting was used for > normalization. > -Resampled in Sound Forge to 44.1kHz, level 4 of 4 interpolation accuracy, > anti-alias filter on. > -Fades were added at the beginning and end of the show. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 00:02:56 EDT From: Tejas4x4@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's disdain of the music biz - can any one help? Thanks to everyone who responded. I will check out the leads. If you think of anymore - Joni bashes the biz stuff - pass it my way...thanks again. Hope everyone is having a great week! Take care, Frank In a message dated 4/18/2005 11:14:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, Tejas4x4@aol.com writes: Hello there! Does anyone know where I can find any information where Joni shares her disdain of the music industry. Interviews, articles etc..I seem to remember a lengthy interview that Joni did where pretty much all she talked about was that. I am writing a paper and collecting data at this point. Any guidance would be very appreciated. I am mostly a lurker and don't get in the pipe much but do know and have met a few of you. I do keep a pulse on the list though. GREAT group of people. Thanks in advance, Take Care, Frank ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 00:03:27 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Hideaway (to the Tune of SD's Jany Runaway) That's great fun to read, walt. I'm not into SD much, but I'm a bit of a poetry and lyrics buff and I can't stop smiling at your "wonderwaif" coinage. It works nicely, and that's what one's poetic license is for. "Frillage" doesn't quite cut muster though, in my humble. :-) How 'bout something about "oil spillage" on that line instead, foreshadowing her future "Sex Kills"? Or not. Thanks for the sharing your wonderful wit, walt. - -Julius - -----Original Message----- From: littlebreen@comcast.net To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 00:02:10 +0000 Subject: Joni Hideaway (to the Tune of SD's Jany Runaway) Hi gang, Well, I was listening to Steely Dan's "Two Against Nature" album again, trying to get the complex rhythms and key changes by following the songs with the sheet music I just got, when it really struck me for the first time how perfectly their (as usual, slightly creepy) "Jany Runaway" could be reworked, with really just a few word changes, to suit early Joni. Here Goes: Joni Hideaway It must have been that ukulele That someone gave to thee After C. Mitchell gave your name fire You hopped a bus for NYC Up in Toronto the future looked cold, with no frillage Now you're the wonderwaif of Chelsea, the Village ... Oh well, at least this time I'm not writing in tongues -- tell me what you think! Best, Walt ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #115 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)