From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #95 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, April 1 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 095 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Birthday gift to Joni: a cat [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Birthday gift to Joni: a cat [Smurf ] hunting & fishing ["Kate Bennett" ] Happy half century! ["Anne Sandstrom" ] Re: Birthday gift to Joni: a cat [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Birthday gift to Joni: a cat ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Birthday gift to Joni: a cat ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Birthday gift to Joni: a cat [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Birthday gift to Joni: a cat ["McMillan Brad" ] Question (obtuse Joni content) [Matt Mc ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:11:12 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Birthday gift to Joni: a cat I'm with you on this one, Lucy. I have been near Joni several times, but would never approached her. I was at a party in Toronto once, very early on (1969) and Joni was there holding court. I inched closer to the group and pretended to be part of it to hear what she had to say, but that was it. And I have seen her fans rush her to where it was embarrassing. I've been good friends with a few famous people and I think it was because I respected their space and privacy. Oddly enough, that seems to get you closer to them. The only one who turned me into butter while standing in line with her was Liza. We were in an airport lounge, standing in line, and I just couldn't help it. Well, she was right in front of me! She couldn't have been more gracious and kind. When she sat down at a table with a friend, people around her sort of looked, but left her alone. I'm sure she appreciated that. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 05:29:45 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Birthday gift to Joni: a cat - --- Jerry wrote: > The only one who turned me into butter while > standing in line with her was > Liza. We were in an airport lounge, standing in > line, and I just couldn't > help it. Well, she was right in front of me! She > couldn't have been more > gracious and kind. When she sat down at a table with > a friend, people around > her sort of looked, but left her alone. I'm sure she > appreciated that. I left Liza alone the one time I saw her, too, Jerry - -- at the concession stand at a movie theater in NYC. But I remember thinking that she was so tiny, not anything like the 20-foot woman in "Cabaret!" Is she really that petite? I don't know if that's the actually the case, or if I just expect performers I like to be enormous. I think I would say the same thing about Joni if I got that close to her (after the restraining orders expire, of course). - --Smurf, really late now -- bye! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:29:41 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: hunting & fishing The older I get the less I judge others for their personal choices. I could never kill an animal, bird or fish. I tried fishing once & when I caught it, looked into its beautiful eyes & saw it gasping for breath & put it back into the sea. There is no joy in any of those activities for me. I think it is wonderful that some have had the experience of getting their own game growing up, not as 'sport' but as honest to goodness food gathering for consumption. I am a hypocrite. I wear cow shoes & coats. My fur is faux however. I eat chicken, fish & sometimes cow. No baby animals though unless you consider unfertilized eggs to be so. I'd rather be drinking carrot juice. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:33:40 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: Happy half century! Happy birthday, Monsieur Paz!!!! Technically, you're only halfway to being an antique :-) But for a semi-antique you do have a pretty nice patina LOL! Hope you celebrate in style! lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:43:24 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Birthday gift to Joni: a cat Lucy asked: Over the years just how many other people will have done this? .........gone up to her in a peaceful moment to unload their Joni story? Hi Lucy, I wouldn't be added to this number. I would be all ears and questions with Joni. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 08:52:22 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Birthday gift to Joni: a cat >I will not be part, ever of anyone's discomfort. I would never ever approach her... If her car broke down out side my house and she came to ask for help I might let on I knew her but only as she was driving away........ But then that is me... Lucy< LOL Lucy. I recently had an experience such as you mention above. Our house is on the market & we have had many very interesting folks of all kinds looking at it. Once in a while, when our agent can not do the showing, we do it ourselves. 2 Saturdays ago I got a call from our agent asking if we could show the house to another agent & a client from out of town. No names were mentioned. When the person walked in the door I knew who it was because I had been a huge fan all of my life & not too long ago, gone to one of this person's concerts (no I am not naming names & no it wasn't Joni but someone similarly admired). I was thrilled & whispered to Jeff when this person was out of the room who it was. I gave this person the tour around our property & we spoke of so many things. It is obvious Jeff & I are musicians when you walk through our home. I never mentioned music, I never let on I know who this person was. It never felt right to do so. It was a lovely connection & I am still in the glow of what a surreal yet totally natural situation this was, to have someone show up AT MY DOOR who is an true icon in my world. I have met & mingled & befriended a considerable amount of celebrities through the years & have become used to it. I usually let them be just a person, rather than a 'name'. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:00:05 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Birthday gift to Joni: a cat Lucy Hone wrote: > Hello Laura , and thanks for reading my post. > > My view on going to the grill is.......... I think you would find > that > if she showed up, almost every other person in the grill probably > was > there for the same reason. The food might be wonderful, the > atmosphere > brilliant and there may be tired waitresses and grumpy chefs and it > might be a bit like living in an Edward Hopper painting.... and it > might be tacky and it might be lovely... I've been to the Daily Grill. It's a very nice but informal restaurant with good food and reasonable prices. My understanding is that Joni likes it because it has outdoor seating where she can smoke. A pleasant place to enjoy lunch on a sunny southern California afternoon. Joni wasn't there the day & Travis I were. Kakki was there along with Ken Corral, Michael Paz, Clark Carleton, Phyliss Ward, Catherine Turley and her husband, Lori Fye, Steve and Michelle Dulson and a few others who I hope will forgive me if they are still on the list and did not mention them. It was a mini-Jonifest. We had just seen the Van Gogh exhibit at LACMA. Later we had a lovely evening of song and conversation at Kakki's place. Several people on the list have encountered Joni at the Daily Grill at one time or another. I have never heard of any of them approaching her or 'stalking her'. Some of them have talked to her there, however, as it seems Joni is a gregarious person and engages people in conversation from time to time. I completely agree with you, Lucy. I think everyone should have the right to their privacy and be able to walk the public streets without being harrassed by total strangers. We have had many reports, however, that Joni is very gracious with fans when she meets them. I doubt very much that she is ever mobbed these days or accosted by over-zealous teens, hounding her for autographs. On the odd occasion when she has come face to face with an obviously tongue-tied fans, she has said that her impulse has been to give them a hug. Mark E. in Seattle 'Autograph fiends! Those gangs of adolescents who run around like packs of coyotes. They're nobody's fans! They're mental defectives! They've never even seen a play. They're never indoors long enough!' -Bette Davis as Margot Channing in 'All About Eve' (just for you, Jimmy) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:35:31 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Birthday gift to Joni: a cat Mark wrote: ...hounding her for autographs. On the odd occasion when she has come face to face with an obviously tongue-tied fans, she has said that her impulse has been to give them a hug. Hi Mark, If I saw Joni in a situation where there wasn't a crowd, I would first be in disbelief that is was her. So, my first question would be, "are you Joni Mitchell?" My second question would be, "may I have your autograph please?" And, my third question would be, "would you like to be left alone?" If she said no to the third question, I would tell her I'm a tongue-tied fan and ask for a hug. The rest would go from there. Love and joy, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:47:10 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Birthday gift to Joni: a cat Lucy; I like your observation and I think it is spot on. I saw Joni inconcert in '74 in Miami. My lady and I went to the ramp coming out of the basement of the convention center and stood with about 75 rabid fans and waited for her to come walking up the ramp to the waiting limo. She was carrying a spray of about three dozen roses. She had about six gentlemen escorting her from the hall. When she got to where we were, the security guys started to form a phalanx in front of her and a couple of them linked arms preparing to push us back. Joni said: "It's okay, they're my friends". One young woman murmered: "We love you Joni". She smiled and said "I love you too". Then she said she was tired and wanted to go to her hotel and crash. There were a couple more we love you's and Joni waved as she ducked into the limo and was wisked away. I imagine that scene was repeated a few hundred times in her touring career. I agree with you, Lucy. We have no right to expect that kind of grace when she's minding her own business on her own turf. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lucy Hone" To: ; "Joni List" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 1:42 AM Subject: Re: Birthday gift to Joni: a cat > Hello Laura , and thanks for reading my post. > > My view on going to the grill is.......... I think you would find that > if she showed up, almost every other person in the grill probably was > there for the same reason. The food might be wonderful, the atmosphere > brilliant and there may be tired waitresses and grumpy chefs and it > might be a bit like living in an Edward Hopper painting.... and it might > be tacky and it might be lovely... > > Whilst it would be an honour for any of us who really get her music (or > even some of it) to meet her and get the chance to chat I doubt it would > be an honour for her. What do we have in common? what is it about our > lives that we think would be so rivetting for her to know? Do we assume > that because she has touched our lives she needs to know about it? Over > the years just how many other people will have done this? .........gone > up to her in a peaceful moment to unload their Joni story? Imagine what > that must feel like? There you are....in the local diner...........you > are there having a quiet cup of coffee. You have spent the morning busy > being about your life and its the way you like it.. not driven by the > passions of the past, nor encumbered by contractural obligations. Even > the worst moments of your young life are no longer a burden. You have > achieved a comfortable balance of notoriety and anonymity. You can go > about your life fairly comfortably and go for a cup of coffee in your > local diner. It is maybe a sunny morning with slants of sunlight and > slabs of fat on the thighs of the waitress and there are far too many > pancakes on your plate......... you feel comfortable and in a > wonderfully observational frame of mind. The sun is cut from your view > by a person who clears their throat and its a sinking feeling that makes > you grab your cup of coffed and stiffen your shoulders as you know you > are about to hear......."Excuse me Miss Mitchell, or may I call you > Joni... I feel I know you so well, you see............ your music has > meant so much to me over the years ......... and you can barely manage a > smile make your escape. > > I have had some fairly inside access to some pretty famous musicians via > my last marriage and (by all reports) they "put up" with fans who come > to gigs, and the ones who demand an autograph or a photo.... that is > fair game. They have paid money for a show and getting to "be with" is a > fair exchange (if they are quick and dont think you are a friend, or > share any sort of bond because they have their photo taken). > > What was hated and feared was the "OH MY GOD!, YOU?, HERE?" sort of > "chance encounter" which had been planned, and smacked of stalking. > Cornering an object of such reverence in a place in which they thought > they might be safe is, to me, just not on. > > WE all know how we feel when we get the telephone canvas as we are about > to eat, the "have you read our version of the world" callers to our > door.Those are random invasions and can be politely refused. To go to > where you expect someone to be, in order to see them and maybe approach > them, would make the person feel cornered and probably threatened. It is > also really difficult for celebs to be rude (as we might be) in case its > a press set up so that bad publicity results... So they are doomed to > having to put up with us. > > I will not be part, ever of anyone's discomfort. I would never ever > approach her... If her car broke down out side my house and she came to > ask for help I might let on I knew her but only as she was driving > away........ But then that is me... > > Lucy > > > LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > > > Lucy wrote: > > > > .... I would not approach her if I saw her, I would let her be > > > > > > Hi Lucy, > > > > If I saw Joni, I would hope it wasn't in a crowd so I could > > approach her. I have thought of (with two other JMDLers) going out > > west to that grill she likes in California and waiting for the chance > > to meet her. I wonder if the food is any good and if they serve > > breakfast, lunch, and dinner and are reasonably priced? > > > > What a thought... to meet her. I'm so initially shy around > > people, but maybe I wouldn't be shy around her. I don't feel like she > > is a stranger to me although I am to her. Nice thought. > > > > Love, > > Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:59:37 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Birthday gift to Joni: a cat Reading Jerry's post, I remember a chance meeting with a celeb about 10 years ago. I was on the island of Maui, eating dinner at a place called Cheeseburgers in Paradise. I was with my son and several of his shipmates. I looked over the shoulder of the young man sitting opposite me and there at the next table looking back at me was Randy Travis. He glanced around and then looked back at me as I was calculating that he was who I thought he was. I mouthed the words: "Aren't you Randy Travis?" He looked from side to side and then looked back at me and gave a short grin and nodded his head once. I gave him a thumbs up and mouthed "I like your music". He gave me another quick nod and I never looked at him again during the rest of the meal. When he and his party got up to leave, Travis waved at me and said "Nice t'see you again", and they disappeared. My dinner companions who saw that move, dropped their jaws and started asking me if I really knew Randy Travis. I just shrugged. I thought it was a nice, funny thing for him to do. My reward for not spoiling his dinner. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" To: "Lucy Hone" ; "Joni List" Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:11 AM Subject: Re: Birthday gift to Joni: a cat > I'm with you on this one, Lucy. I have been near Joni several times, but > would never approached her. I was at a party in Toronto once, very early on > (1969) and Joni was there holding court. I inched closer to the group and > pretended to be part of it to hear what she had to say, but that was it. And > I have seen her fans rush her to where it was embarrassing. I've been good > friends with a few famous people and I think it was because I respected > their space and privacy. Oddly enough, that seems to get you closer to them. > The only one who turned me into butter while standing in line with her was > Liza. We were in an airport lounge, standing in line, and I just couldn't > help it. Well, she was right in front of me! She couldn't have been more > gracious and kind. When she sat down at a table with a friend, people around > her sort of looked, but left her alone. I'm sure she appreciated that. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:42:43 -0500 From: brianasymes@aol.com Subject: Extreme Women "the Book " I have been way to busy to read much of these posts plus I really did not have anything to say about Joni. Until I picked up a coffee table book store called Extreme Women and opened it to the page about Joni alot of the women hold the same sword in all the pictures of course it has her holding it like a guitar.This book has pictures of the women when they were young and now ,what's strange is I think that all the women look much more lovely now versus back then, sure there skin was smoother and they were a thinner, but much more boring. The age makes them more complex and interesting to look at. Brian In Portland in an office with no music UGH. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:05:27 -0600 From: John Calimee Subject: What to give a woman who has everything? What do you give a woman who has everything? Why, paint of course. -Forget the cat business. I can think of a lovely package that would put a sparkle in Joni's eyes. I'd do it personally butI haven't a clue how to get it to her. A container of the ultra-expensive Blockx Amber so she can paint luscious Faux Pre-Raphaelite techniques. Special Aged Oil, Ugly Dog brush Soap, Copal Medium, paint from Robert Doak, Trekkle brushes. Gift certificates to Sinopia or Kremer. -The works. These are hard to find, ultra professional items, she may know about already. Still, what artist could resist the temptation of more toys in the tool box to work with. I bet she'd love to know how to reproduce the effect of a Hunt or Rosetti. Lucy, you're spot on that Joni doesn't need or crave our attention. Save perhaps a boyfriend, I suspect she's got all the company she wants. But not speak to her if you saw her???????? -------------!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My god, woman, get thee some counseling and treatment. So long as one is being respectful -and brief- Joni will happy give you the magic moment all fans crave. She is a joy to encounter as many, many list members can tell you. If I ever hear you were in shouting distance of Joni and didn't speak with her... Well. I don't know what I'd do, but I'd be the first to shove you in front of that bus (meaning, Joni, of course.) OT, I got a chuckle when the Tlog version of BSN popped up in a scene from the movie LIKE A HOUSE. I haven't seen Love Actually, so this gives me some idea of what my friend Neil refered to as the "worst moment he ever endured in his life." Sitting in a theatre watching the ultimate chick flick...almost 3 hours of unending torture, when "SHE" comes on. Singing and singing. Poor guy barely made it out alive. He seems excited about Sin City, tho. Btw, Anyone with news on the film of Travelogue? And what about that VG-8 page on the JMDL???????? Ok, I know I shouldn't talk. I keep meaning to start a series of Joni paintings to raise monies for the JMDL community for years now. -But I'm closer. Just as soon as I figure out this Blockx Amber thing... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:04:43 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: What to give a woman who has everything? This is a great idea. Sincerely, Jim John Calimee asked, >What do you give a woman who has everything? Why, paint of course.> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:28:50 -0500 From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: hunting & fishing Like it or not, a judgment is made either in favor of the "personal choice" of the person who would choose to shoot a free-living animal, or in favor of the animal, who would rather not be on the receiving end of a bullet, leghold trap, snare, hook, club or other such device. Bill "The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for white, or women created for men." Alice Walker "As long as there are slaughterhouses, there will be battlefields." Tolstoy "Dolphins, eskimos, who cares? It's all a bunch of tree hugging hippie crap." Cartman, South Park On Mar 31, 2005, at 10:29 AM, Kate Bennett wrote: > The older I get the less I judge others for their personal choices. I > could > never kill an animal, bird or fish. I tried fishing once & when I > caught > it, looked into its beautiful eyes & saw it gasping for breath & put > it back > into the sea. There is no joy in any of those activities for me. I > think it > is wonderful that some have had the experience of getting their own > game > growing up, not as 'sport' but as honest to goodness food gathering for > consumption. I am a hypocrite. I wear cow shoes & coats. My fur is > faux > however. I eat chicken, fish & sometimes cow. No baby animals though > unless you consider unfertilized eggs to be so. I'd rather be drinking > carrot juice. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:44:22 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Mc Subject: Question (obtuse Joni content) Does anyone know of a site comparable to this one and Rust (Neil Young) for Beatle/George Harrison fans to chat and discuss their music? In a lot of ways, I see similarities in the way Joni was able to adapt to different styles of music and instrumentation--just like GH got into sitar and Indian music but also developed his own subtle form of slide guitar while still being able to rock out. Not that they are the same, but one could make a killer mix tape with just their tunes that most people don't really know that well. DJRD Forever, Matt Mc Rainy Day Mushroom Pillow in Mississippi ================================================== "And I'll stand before you, and I'll bring a smile to your eyes." Neil Young "Motion Pictures" ================================================== __________________________________ Yahoo! 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