From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #85 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, March 23 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 085 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #84 [ROBMSTEEN@aol.com] Re: dc joni fest? [Bill Dollinger ] Jonifest trains ["Laurent Olszer" ] SOAPRG song list, compilations ["David Henderson" ] Re: SOAPRG song list, compilations ["Steven Polifka" ] DJRD ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Urge for Compiling ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Open note to Joni Mitchell ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Christine Collister (a bit of Joni content here) ["Azeem" ] Re: Urge for Compiling [Reuben Bell ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 04:07:31 EST From: ROBMSTEEN@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #84 Re: Coyote/DJRD: Sure, there are whiffs of the Coyote riff on DJRD, but surely the genesis is Black Crow? Come to think of it, Talk To Me and DJRD are both variations on that guitar theme. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:46:04 -0500 From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: dc joni fest? There are no details, we would need to discuss the possibility and have input from those interested. Right now it is just an idea. On Mar 21, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Sherelle Smith wrote: > I'm interested! Please let me know the details! > > Sherelle > > > Bill wrote: > > Richard Flynn and I were discussing how > great it would be to have a mini joni fest > in dc. I know we had mentioned this before > but don't think anything was moving along. > I know a great cafe that would host it, > if people are interested, let's discuss. > > Bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:47:59 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Jonifest trains Hi Festers There is a small contingent of cheap railroad tickets going on sale 4 months in advance. It'll cost only 19 euros to cross the country! Which means that tix for august 10 are going on sale early april, maybe even now. Info on www.idtgv.com or www.voyages-sncf.com or I can help. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:44:27 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: SOAPRG song list, compilations JAMIE WROTE: "On the whole a nice mix of old and new dontcha think? Something for everyone... the connoissuer, the fan, the newbie, the muso, the classicist, the jazzer, the folkie, the (aging) rocker, the fusion fan, the VG8 fan" I think that kind of variety is always a recipe for disaster, and I cannot possibly imagine that this bizarre song list will have any kind of organic feel to it to anyone. I just played cuts 3 through 7 back to back, and it feels and sounds more like a K-Tel collection than a cohesive or organic grouping. Ray's sounds shrill and silly on the heels of Cherakee Louise. Raised sounds inferior in production and silly on the heels of DJRD. And surely this odd mix will be offputting to anyone but hardcore fans like us who have no need for these compilations anyway since I'm sure we've all made more than enough of our own over the years. So what is Joni's point in making these compilations? Tlog definitely had potential to bring in new listeners, but I don't think SOAPG and Survival have any chance of doing that. Why doesn't she follow artists who make compilations for their FANS, the people who have supported them for years - compilations with outtakes and live cuts and alternate versions and hidden video segments, etc.? I haven't joined in on this compilation discussion before, but I am starting to agree with some of you that Joni's compilation business seems lazy and motivated (and misguided) by greed - something I never thought I'd say about Joni Mitchell. David NP The Killers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:14:17 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: SOAPRG song list, compilations > I think that kind of variety is always a recipe for disaster, This reminds me of a favorite Gary Larson 'The Far Side' cartoon. A woman lies face down on the kitchen floor. The refrigerator door is ajar and off its hinges. There are cooking utensils and food scattered in disarray all over the floor and countertops including a bowl and spoon. Next to the woman on the floor an open book is lying upside down. The title of the book is 'Recipes for Disaster.' Tickles me everytime I see it for some reason. Mark E. in Seattle with 8 days left of employment ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:18:57 -0500 From: Reuben Bell Subject: Re: SOAPG Tracklist Announced! I love this track list! Finally something that gives a good cross section!! I'm buying these for every non-believer I know. Two from DJRD, Let The Wind..., RDCadillac, SFSharon...wow, what good stuff. The cover alone is worth it! That said, I got a kick out of the Lesson In Survival comp, too. Thought it was a great idea, bet they won't move many of them. I personally skipped the "Dreamland" release. Nothing of much interest for me, and I HATED the cover. Reuben On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:42:29 -0500, Richard Flynn wrote: > Many thanks for the list,Jamie. > > But you know? I can't help thinking "WFC" > (who f**kin' cares?) > > Only if there's a remixed Paprika Plains will I buy it. > > Joni has been Lucy Van Pelt to my Charlie Brown once too often. > > But this time I'm not gonna kick that football. > > I hope those aren't famous last words > > That Charlie Brown, he's a clown ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Jamie > Zubairi > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 7:45 PM > To: Joni JMDL > Subject: SOAPG Tracklist Announced! > > Well, they've announced it, the tracklist for SOAPG > and there are a few surprises (well, no, nothing new, > I guess that would be a REAL surprise) but I guess > they seem to follow a historical trait rather than a > geographical placing. Tea Leaf Prophecy, while being > about her parents, could've been anywhere say in > England in the 1940s for example... and do Amazon > never check their spelling? Don JAUN's recless > daughter? And still it's listed under PRARIE girl... > Perhaps River was included cuz of the front cover > being a woman skating on a frozen river (but we know > it's a lake) and are we going to be treated to the > full 7 mins of Come In From The Cold like in Hits (or > was it Misses?) as opposed to the edited 3 minute > version... Yes, Paprika Plains is there as > predicted... good, good... can't wait to see if it's > the remixed version...and are there any paintings? I > would love the poster of the cd cover as it stands I > guess but don't you think that she's got rather big > feet? Or is it the skates? DJRD is a surprise (and > co-incidental as it's been a topic of discussion this > past week on the jmdl). > > 1. Urge For Going > 2. Tea Leaf Prophecy > 3. Cherokee Louise > 4. Ray's Dad's Cadillac > 5. Let the Wind Carry Me > 6. Don Jaun's Reckless Daughter > 7. Raised on Robbery > 8. Paprika Plains > 9. Song for Sharon > 10. River > 11. Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody > 12. Harlem in Havana > 13. Come in From the Cold > > Oh, there'll be feathers flying on the jmdl as Ray's > Dad's Cadillac is on there, looking like a slut at her > sister's wedding. But I like it anyway... it has a > certain je ne sais quoi. It's a good one to play on > guitar if anything and is evocative of something that > has nothing to do with my generation but captures it > concisely. > > On the whole a nice mix of old and new dontcha think? > Something for everyone... the connoissuer, the fan, > the newbie, the muso, the classicist, the jazzer, the > folkie, the (aging) rocker, the fusion fan, the VG8 > fan and none of it (apart from Cherokee Louise) looks > like it might've been dug out from Tlog, for those of > you that don't reckon THAT was any good (which I do). > > Anyway > > Much Joni > > Jamie Zoob > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:54:45 -0600 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: SOAPRG song list, compilations Hi Mark, That reminds me of another cartoon I believe Larson did. In the view, you saw a kitchen table with Mop and Glow, Clean and Shine, Shake and Bake, Stir and Frost, Groom and Clean, and the feet of the woman who hung herself with a note pinned to her apron that said Sick and Tired.... Steve >>> "Mark or Travis" 3/22/2005 10:14:17 AM >>> > I think that kind of variety is always a recipe for disaster, This reminds me of a favorite Gary Larson 'The Far Side' cartoon. A woman lies face down on the kitchen floor. The refrigerator door is ajar and off its hinges. There are cooking utensils and food scattered in disarray all over the floor and countertops including a bowl and spoon. Next to the woman on the floor an open book is lying upside down. The title of the book is 'Recipes for Disaster.' Tickles me everytime I see it for some reason. Mark E. in Seattle with 8 days left of employment ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:50:24 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: DJRD Ric, I can see that. For me DJRD aims high and connects. I didn't hear Hejira until much later so maybe that's why I liked DJRD from the beginning- it was the first time I heard stuff like Joni & Jaco "barking" at each other. Jim Ric Robinson said, >I think DJRD is a good album but have this nagging feeling that it could've been great with a little less ambition, if that makes sense!> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:26:19 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Urge for Compiling There's a cliche that a woman redecorates her entire house when her "last" child moves out. Joni's songs, her children, aren't gestating anymore. She finds an outlet in making compilations. I don't have to buy them all; she's given me plenty. In France she'd be "a living treasure". Sincerely, Jim Someone else said, >I haven't joined in on this compilation discussion before, but I am starting to agree with some of you that Joni's compilation business seems lazy and motivated (and misguided) by greed - something I never thought I'd say about Joni Mitchell.> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:28:36 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Open note to Joni Mitchell Joni, you go, baby. Thanks for finally allowing "Speechless" to see daylight. I will buy the new one if you have re-visited "Paprika Plains", as promised. You have always delivered the goods. Sincerely, Jim L'Hommedieu (one of 10 straight men on the JMDL) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:03:44 -0000 From: "Azeem" Subject: Christine Collister (a bit of Joni content here) I know there are a number of admirers of The Isle of Mans greatest gift to the world on this list, even if none of them are quite as fervent as the undersigned, who considers her to be the finest singer on the planet. Anyway, Ive just been watching her new DVD, XX, issued to commemorate her 20 years in the music business. Its a lovely run through her ups and downs, including contributions from Richard Thompson and Clive Gregson, with loads of performance footage (much of it very grainy!) and some spectacular fashion and coiffeurial faux pas. Fans will love it, newbies will find it a great introduction to a beautiful artist. JONI CONTENT! Among the extras are a few full song performances, one of which is her glorious rendition of Shades of Scarlett Conquering. Even though its poor quality footage, just her head from a fixed camera, its totally riveting. The passion and love she puts into one of Jonis masterworks are a joy to behold. Bob, you have to get this DVD, for this reason if for no other! I went to see her a few nights ago, at the Half Moon in Putney. It was yet another great gig, including a few covers she hasnt performed much before, or at all - including Patty Griffins song Mary. Top stuff. I have been such a loyal fan/stalker over the last 18 years (yes!) that I was even asked to pose with Christine for a pic afterwards, which will show up on her website diary at some point. Zounds... Azeem in London NP: Christine Collister - Sad and Beautiful World - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:47:49 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: DJRD Subject: DJRD Just listened to this again and was struck by a couple of things. 1. the scope is vast, possibly too vast. 2. Some of the musical ideas seem to have been more fully realised in = Mingus - I kept expecting Overture to break into God Must Be A Boogie = Man for instance. 3. Title track was very reminiscent of Coyote, which was odd since = Coyote pre-dates it and is considerably better. I think DJRD is a good album but have this nagging feeling that it = could've been great with a little less ambition, if that makes sense Coyote and DJRD were written at about the same time. I was at a concert in early '76 when Joni unveiled both of the songs, in a sort of medley. They were more similar at that time. DJRD had none of the percussive bass arrangement that it ended up with. Personally, I think DJRD in a remarkable, powerful song, perhaps not better than Coyote but on an entirely different level. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:55:47 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: Prairie Songs In a message dated 3/22/2005 12:01:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Well, they've announced it, the tracklist for SOAPG and there are a few > surprises (well, no, nothing new, I guess that would be a REAL surprise) but I > guess they seem to follow a historical trait rather than a geographical > placing. Tea Leaf Prophecy, while being > about her parents, could've been anywhere say in England in the 1940s for > example... and do Amazon never check their spelling? Don JAUN's recless > daughter? And still it's listed under PRARIE girl...Perhaps River was included cuz > of the front cover being a woman skating on a frozen river (but we know it's a > lake) and are we going to be treated to the full 7 mins of Come In From The > Cold like in Hits (or was it Misses?) as opposed to the edited 3 minute > version... Yes, Paprika Plains is there as predicted... good, good... can't wait > to see if it's the remixed version...and are there any paintings? I > would love the poster of the cd cover as it stands I guess but don't you > think that she's got rather big feet? Or is it the skates? DJRD is a surprise > (and co-incidental as it's been a topic of discussion this past week on the > jmdl). Yes, it's the remixed Paprika (perhaps the only reason for us old-timers to buy the CD), according to a little item in billboard.com today (sorry, don't have the link). Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:53:52 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Prairie Songs Drat! Now I have to buy it. Do you know why AMAZON is asking full list price of $18.98? Highway robbery for one friggin' song, I say! Even if it is a long song. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of BRYAN8847@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:56 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Prairie Songs In a message dated 3/22/2005 12:01:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Well, they've announced it, the tracklist for SOAPG and there are a few > surprises (well, no, nothing new, I guess that would be a REAL surprise) but I > guess they seem to follow a historical trait rather than a geographical > placing. Tea Leaf Prophecy, while being > about her parents, could've been anywhere say in England in the 1940s for > example... and do Amazon never check their spelling? Don JAUN's recless > daughter? And still it's listed under PRARIE girl...Perhaps River was included cuz > of the front cover being a woman skating on a frozen river (but we know it's a > lake) and are we going to be treated to the full 7 mins of Come In From The > Cold like in Hits (or was it Misses?) as opposed to the edited 3 minute > version... Yes, Paprika Plains is there as predicted... good, good... can't wait > to see if it's the remixed version...and are there any paintings? I > would love the poster of the cd cover as it stands I guess but don't you > think that she's got rather big feet? Or is it the skates? DJRD is a surprise > (and co-incidental as it's been a topic of discussion this past week on the > jmdl). Yes, it's the remixed Paprika (perhaps the only reason for us old-timers to buy the CD), according to a little item in billboard.com today (sorry, don't have the link). Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:01:27 -0500 From: Reuben Bell Subject: Re: Urge for Compiling Thats an interesting point, Jim. That actually makes sense...she's rearranging things to suit her current (wiser?) point of view... I may be one of the few people who actually kind of appreciates these reissues. The Geffen box set, which was just a plea (or a push) from Joni saying "hey, you dopes! You ignored this stuff the first time - I want you to HEAR it!" through the recent three. There may be some arrogance on her part, but you have to give her credit for her persistence and dedication to these works. Has any commercial artist ever pushed their back catalogue this hard just to make sure it has a second chance? I personally think that this is a fascinating period of her career. I hope that it is followed by some new music, but as someone mentioned in an earlier post - she's given me (us) so much good stuff over the years, I'm happy with what I have. Going to bed after a 15 hour day and a very successful concert with the DePauw Univ. Chamber Singers at my museum. Talented group of students! Reuben On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:26:19 -0500, Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > There's a cliche that a woman redecorates her entire house when her > "last" child moves out. Joni's songs, her children, aren't gestating > anymore. She finds an outlet in making compilations. I don't have to > buy them all; she's given me plenty. In France she'd be "a living > treasure". > > Sincerely, > Jim > > Someone else said, > >I haven't joined in on this compilation discussion before, but I am > starting > > to agree with some of you that Joni's compilation business seems lazy and > motivated (and misguided) by greed - something I never thought I'd say about > Joni Mitchell.> ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #85 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)