From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #84 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, March 22 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 084 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #82 [ROBMSTEEN@aol.com] Re: Sex Kills [Deb Messling ] Prairie Girl Track List ["Marianne Rizzo" ] DJRD. . . classify Joni ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Sex Kills ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Rosanna Arquette film with Joni content [Brian Gross ] Re: I Can't Believe it ["Steven Polifka" ] Buy Hejira ["David Henderson" ] re: Joni featured in upcoming film [Garret ] RE: Sacrilege ["Ruth Davis" ] Subject: Re: Sacrilege ["Sherelle Smith" ] dc joni fest? ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: DJRD / first post ["McMillan Brad" ] Re: Prairie Girl Track List? ["McMillan Brad" ] Arquette's film All We Are Saying ["Michael O'Malley" ] re: Joni featured in upcoming film [Brian Gross ] RE: Sacrilege [Bob Muller ] Re: DJRD [Bob Muller ] SOAPG Tracklist Announced! [Jamie Zubairi ] Sex Kills ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Keren Ann with a Joni mention [Smurf ] Re: Sex Kills [Bob Muller ] RE: SOAPG Tracklist Announced! ["Richard Flynn" ] Little Seal, be a gypsy dancer.. [jrmco1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:10:12 EST From: ROBMSTEEN@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #82 Re: DJRD Just to say that Paprika Plains, in my not-terribly-humble opinon, remains the most ambitious, daring, uncommercial and fully-realised work in Joni's canon. And the title track is as potent and (apparently) accurate a self-portrait as she has yet offered us. What a pity they emerged at a time when thought-provoking jazz-rock-folk-pop fusion was about as commercially viable as a square hole and about as hip as Shakin' Stevens double album. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 06:38:47 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Sex Kills I always thought she summed up her ideas - admittedly a little scattershot - - with the last line, "it's a hostile sun beating down on this massive mess we're in." Modern culture has taken what should be life-giving - sex, the sun - and made them dangerous. Remember the sun pouring down like butterscotch? Now with the thinning ozone, that butterscotch will give you skin cancer if you're not careful. When my little niece and nephew go to the beach, they are so covered up they look like astronauts. It's sad. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:01:19 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Prairie Girl Track List I love the way you showed the Joni reverence and appreciation here, Bob. Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 05:12:17 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Prairie Girl Track List? Michael O'Malley wrote: Well of course she does, but why lump her in with every other pop/jazz vocalist who has taken this route? I can't think of ANYONE who exhibited the career trajectory and artistic growth that Joni did. Certainly not any of her singer-songwriter contemporaries...the ones that are still working are still pretty much following the same formula they did when they started. Neil Young is probably the only other one who continually re-examines and re-invents himself - I would argue that Joni's transformational arc is more logical and less haphazard than Neil's. And she does it in an industry that demands that an artist find a niche and STAY PUT. We all hear every record that Joni has ever made (all the way up to T'log) referred to as "Folk" because that was the idiom she was working in at the outset; I would argue that she hasn't released a "folk" record yet. Other pop/jazz singers? If that's all that Joni was then sure, compile away and keep 'em coming like sugar-covered doughnuts on a conveyor belt. But one of the things I admired about Joni was the integrity she kept regarding her treatment of each of her albums as separate projects and not as random collections of songs, one record spilling into the next. Travelogue, for all its faults, does at least make an attempt to unify her career and string together songs from all of her various "periods" into a whole. In that respect, it's an interesting project. And it would have been an appropriate "Swan Song" which was its working title for so long. Joni herself fought against "Hits" for so long for the exact same reasons. It is difficult to criticize the decisions of an artist that has created an almost spiritual bond with most of her long-time fans. For those that say "Joni Mitchell has sung my life" or whatever, it may seem like a betrayal to see beyond that and be objective about releases that are nothing more than thinly veiled "product". Supporting whatever she decides to do becomes tantamount. And if the compilations are successful, it's merely a tribute to the legions of Joni's fans who will keep buying anything she releases, even if they already have it many times over - for what? A new photo? New thumb-size prints of paintings? A random liner note? The sadder implication, the way I see it, is that if these compilations are successful, why in the world would an artist do the WORK required in composition, arranging, production when they can take the much easier route of slapping together a collection of recordings that are already done? I'm certainly not surprised when most commercial artists decide to do this. But I've always held Joni Mitchell in higher esteem and given her more credit than being typical. Bob NP: XTC, "Ten Feet Tall" _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:13:15 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: DJRD. . . classify Joni Hi Michael, I kind of like it that it is hard to classify Joni. Yeah, she's just Joni. What kind of music did you say that was? um. . .oh. . . . . "That's Joni music." Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:50:17 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Re:Re: DJRD on CD >I keep thinking about this music. How does one classify it? What is it? >More than any other of Joni's work, this album defies categorization. Is it >Pop? Certainly not. Rock? Folk? Jazz? Classical? Worldbeat? Alternative? >It's none of these really, and yet it combines elements of all. _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:53:35 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Sex Kills Speaking of. . .. . Last Week on National Public Radio (NPR) just before 3pm they played an interlude of the instumental part of Sex Kills. It lasted about 10 seconds. Between news reports. I thought that was cool. anyone else happen to hear it? Marianne >I like Sex Kills a lot, and my only complaint about it is that she doesn't >rock hard enough. - -Bob _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:48:17 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Rosanna Arquette film with Joni content For those of you without easy access to linked material on the web, I copy the article here. For those who have already read it, I offer my apologies for consuming the bandwidth here. Have a great week everyone. Brian in finally spring-like south jersey http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/story.jsp?story=622070 Rosanna Arquette: Desperately seeking Rosanna The eldest of the Arquette clan, Rosanna has spent three decades on the big screen. But, as she tells Sholto Byrnes, the camera doesn't reveal what she's really about 21 March 2005 Rosanna Arquette is tired. She is stressed out from finishing her new documentary. She is very, very hungry. And the traffic on the way from central Los Angeles to Santa Monica has not improved her mood. "I feel so cranky from driving. The energy was just, like, raaaaaaaah!" she says. "Give me some make-up!" Once she's been made up and feels ready to face a camera, she's a little calmer. But not much. At 45, quirky, off-beat Rosanna Arquette is as sparky as ever, if not more so. At times one can see why David Cronenberg, who directed her in Crash, described her as being "fierce to the point where you're almost afraid to unleash her on your enemies". Hers is a name that is both familiar and yet not. Because she comes from a large clan of actors - her grandfather Cliff was in The Jack Paar Show, her father Lewis in The Waltons, and her siblings Patricia, David, Alexis and Richmond are all in the trade too - the name Arquette has won recognition through the family's cumulative efforts. What they've all actually been doing comes less easily to mind. In the case of Rosanna, apart from Crash, in which she memorably and notoriously allowed James Spader to make love to a wound in her leg, the film with which she is most associated is Desperately Seeking Susan. You may also remember that she had a small part in Pulp Fiction, and played Matthew Perry's wife in 2000's The Whole Nine Yards. Or you may not. For someone who's so watchable on screen, and who received an Emmy nomination very early in her career, in 1982, she seems to have a curiously empty CV. What has she been up to all this time? "I'm not a top-of-the-A-list actress," she says, "but I don't think anyone stays there longer than 15 minutes these days. I've just always been working, continuously, for the 27 years I've been here. I was a leading lady for a long time, and then I took the different path. People say you should have done this or that [she was offered and turned down more commercial pictures including Top Gun] but I went for the little artistic films that no one ever saw, which spoke to me. And I still feel that way." In fact, she's been very busy. She has a major part in a new television series, What About Brian?, is going to direct a feature film with some "very big" actors, and has made a number of appearances in US hit shows such as Will and Grace and The L Word. Over the past few years she has also been making documentaries, investigating the kind of areas where Hollywood does not care to tread. She has just completed one on the state of the music industry today, a subject close to her heart. For her previous documentary, 2002's Searching for Debra Winger, Arquette interviewed leading actresses about the pressures they face as women in the film industry, issues relating to work/ life balance, and ageism. (The title relates to Winger's decision to quit Hollywood when she was 40 to spend more time with her family.) Although the film was generally praised, one female columnist in the UK criticised it for featuring "deafening bleating" from older women who complained that younger women were offered roles instead of them. "They weren't complaining," says Arquette. "It's just real. Men want girls. Most men want little girls. They want them in film. They want to look at them. They want to fuck them, and that's all they want. An evolved man is not going to look that way. But most men are not that evolved. Huh! "It's not a bitchfest. But I do resent that when you're in the most cool, powerful time of your life, which is your 40s, you're put out to pasture. I think women are so much cooler when they're older. So it's a drag that we're not allowed to age." She may claim that her 40s are a "cool" time for a woman, but Rosanna Arquette doesn't seem to be totally convinced by her own assertion. "I just turned 45," she tells me at one point, letting out a loud hoot that combines disbelief with extreme trepidation. Consistency is not the primary virtue to expect from her, however. She cheerfully admits that the members of her family are "all a little bonkers". "We're all fiery and very, very eccentric. We all just dance to our own rhythm. We're never going to follow the straight line, me and my brothers and sisters. We're always going to zig-zag and have our own way of doing things." Given their upbringing, that's not surprising. When Rosanna was small, the family was part of a commune in Virginia. "The cabin that my whole family lived in was a little smaller than this room," she gestures to the boxy studio around us, "and that was five kids as well as my parents." How did the commune work? "Well, I don't know if it really did work that well," she says. "It was a bunch of actors, musicians and artists who bought a plot of land that was an old summer camp. So we were living in cabins that were meant for the summer in the winter too. It was just crazy. But as a kid it was kind of great, because there were so many other kids. I'm still close with everyone I grew up with." Beyond the boundaries of the commune, however, lurked less enlightened neighbours. "We had to go to school in the Blue Ridge Mountains, and it was this hideous, horrible, racist, creepy, backwards kind of state education. I definitely rebelled against that. I was kicked out because I wrote 'black power' on my hand." Rosanna was sent to live with a family in New Jersey to attend a more liberal, urban school, but when she was 15 she ran away and hitch-hiked across the States to get to Hollywood. "I was still very young," she recalls. "My daughter [from her second marriage, to the restaurateur John Sidel] will never be doing that. Uh uh. She has discipline, boundaries. But I didn't really have a structure when I was growing up, which has been really challenging as an adult." Does she blame her parents for that? "No, I don't," she says. "They're both dead now, so it wouldn't do me any good to blame them for anything. And I was complete with them before they did die. My mother was a therapist, and we worked through a lot of stuff." Once in Hollywood, Arquette quickly found work in television, breaking into film in 1979 with More American Graffiti. Other notable films in her extensive risumi include 1983's Baby, It's You, 1988's The Big Blue and Martin Scorsese's segment of 1989's New York Stories. Many of her other appearances, though, have been in forgettable and often critically panned productions. She didn't take the harsh judgements lightly. "Criticism really used to hurt me," she says. "Most of these critics are usually frustrated artists, and they criticise other people's art because they can't do it themselves. It's a really disgusting job. They must feel horrible inside." Arquette has solved this problem by not reading reviews any more. After The Whole Nine Yards, when her meticulously learnt Montreal accent was slated for sounding insufficiently French ("It's different from a French accent," she insists), she took all the reviews that Warner Brothers sent her and put them on a fire. "I'm never reading a review again," she says. Her new documentary, All We Are Saying, is a series of interviews with figures from the music world, including Joni Mitchell, Radiohead, Elvis Costello, her close friend Chrissie Hynde, Sting, Patti Smith, Mary J Blige and Outkast. "I just interviewed people that I dug," she says. "It's where they're going, what it means to be an artist today, the state of the art of music, and inspiration and muse. It's going to be at the Tribeca Film Festival in April." Music has always been important to Arquette. "I grew up around it. My father was a conga player and percussionist, and also a great ukulele player. I was at Woodstock, although I can't say I remember Jimi Hendrix because I was little - I was playing around in the mud. And I was at the Newport Jazz Festival when Dylan went electric. I don't remember it - but I was there. It's a part of how I prepare for a role, putting on whatever music is good for the character." She doesn't play an instrument, but she DJs at private parties "for lots of money". Most of her major relationships have been with musicians. She went out with a member of the band Toto, whose hit "Rosanna" was named after her. Her first marriage was to the pop composer and arranger James Newton Howard, and she went on to have a long affair with Peter Gabriel, who also wrote a song for her, "In Your Eyes". Her current boyfriend, Jonathan Elias, in whose studio complex we meet, is also a musician and producer. Her forthcoming feature project, Access All Areas, is inspired by her relationship with Gabriel. "It's the story of a girl and a musician, and what happens when she gives herself up for somebody else's art." It's not at all autobiographical? "No," she says. "I have a very close relationship with him and his kids, and his ex-wife, whom I adore. It's just inspired by that time." Cranky and stressed though she may be - several times she asks if she's making sense - Rosanna Arquette tells me that she's now "in the best place" she's ever been. "I'm really comfortable in my own skin, where I wasn't in my 30s. I've never been in the forefront of Hollywood, and it wasn't important to me to be a big movie star. I've always been a rebel, doing my own thing. I'm directing films, producing music with my guy, and it makes me happy." She still needs to eat, though. "I'm, like, really hungry," she tells me. "I was stuck in the traffic. How long are we going to go on for? We could go on for ever." Then she wouldn't get her food, I say. "No," she agrees. "And you're going to go back and edit this piece and make me look like an idiot, which is what usually happens when I do interviews." I tell her I won't. She's far from being an idiot. Charmingly loopy, perhaps, Rosanna Arquette is a talented actress. And at the moment she's also a fierce little creature who really, really needs to eat. Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:57:39 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Jericho Mags said: >Amazing, incredible gems. Just like Jericho, the walls come tumbling down. I am behind in my posts. . so someone may have commented on this . . . how the Isralies gave Jericho back to the palestinians (sp?) . . .. sounded promising to me. . . "the walls come tumbling down. . ." _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:12:48 -0600 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: I Can't Believe it Yes Yes!!! This is one of the photos taken by Berstein on Lake Mendota the day after her last Tour date of '76 in Madison. Steve >>> "Mark or Travis" 3/18/2005 4:32:40 PM >>> Bob Muller wrote: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007UMMHC/qid=1111182571/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/103-9500611-9187003?v=glance&s=music&n=507846 > > This is a break from the painting covers she's done on all the other > comps. I like ! From the 'Hejira' shoot I take it. Very cool! Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:27:11 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: Buy Hejira >On 20 Mar 2005, at 9:53, Paul Bishop wrote: > I love Blue, LOTC and C&S, hated HOSL when i first > heard it, though love it more with each listen now, > and am waiting for the right moment to buy Hejira. >_Now_ is the right time to buy Hejira. There's something >about Hejira and DJRD that makes them fit together oh so >well for me. It could be something as simple as the >instrumentation and players... People here are bored of me >saying it but I made a CD a few years ago that put most >of Hejira and most of DJRD on the same disc, and let's >put it this way, it stayed in the car player for a very long >time. >Cheers,Chris Marshall I second that and add HOSL and S&L. These are my four favorite Joni LPs - HOSL, Hejira, DJRD, S&L - and I think they all mix and match beautifully like the streets of the coolest neighborhood in town. I call it the period of perfection. David NP American Morning I left my job of seven years. Friday was my last day. It feels weird but good to have nowhere to go. I think. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:35:43 +0000 From: Garret Subject: re: Joni featured in upcoming film Hi Bryan, thanks for posting this link, this sounds really interesting. And i'll certainly be happy with Joni and Patti Smith content:-) That was an interesting read. Was Rosana Arquette one of the hosts on the tnt joni tribute? (In other Patti Smith news she will host this year's Meltdown festival in London at the SOuthbank centre http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4366221.stm should be interesting) GARRET Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:36:46 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Joni featured in upcoming film Not sure if this has been posted before. News on an upcoming documentary film by Rosanna Arquette, featuring Joni and others. http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/story.jsp?story=622070 - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:39:40 GMT From: "Ruth Davis" Subject: RE: Sacrilege Wow, Ruth...Down To You??? That's one of my favorite Joni songs and a song that I would say is "essential Joni" or the essence of what Joni is all about...that is, sharp unique cliche-free lyrical imagery, and composition more than song. Not that I'm saying you have to like it, but could I press you to detail just what it is that causes you to DETEST it? I'd be interested to know. As for the Woodstock yodel, it rubbed me the wrong way the first time I heard it but now I think it's a very relevant part of the song as it was originally conceived; almost like a chant that represents Joni 'getting back to the garden' & reclaiming her spiritual roots. Of course, there's a difference between appreciating something and liking it. Bob ************************************************************************ O.K., I guess "DETEST" was a bit strong. I have an aversion to "Down to You". Not because it is not well written or well performed. Because it is a bit too effective in evoking a feeling of alienation and loneliness. The bridge really gets to me, where Joni sings "Lo-o-o-o-o-oneliness" and the piano chords quietly sing it too. Ruth Return-Path: Received: from mx03.lax.untd.com (mx03.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.63]) by maildeliver22.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBDYMKSAGGTJYA for (sender ); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:34:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from web31308.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31308.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.103]) by mx03.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBDYMKRAV4KB5S for (sender ); Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:34:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 69523 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Mar 2005 19:34:07 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? 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That's one of my favorite Joni songs and a song that I would say is "essential Joni" or the essence of what Joni is all about...that is, sharp unique cliche-free lyrical imagery, and composition more than song. Not that I'm saying you have to like it, but could I press you to detail just what it is that causes you to DETEST it? I'd be interested to know. As for the Woodstock yodel, it rubbed me the wrong way the first time I heard it but now I think it's a very relevant part of the song as it was originally conceived; almost like a chant that represents Joni 'getting back to the garden' & reclaiming her spiritual roots. Of course, there's a difference between appreciating something and liking it. Bob NP: Ani, "If it isn't her" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:18:47 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Subject: Re: Sacrilege Finally catching up on digests!!! I don't like CSN's version of Woodstock but I absolutely adore Joni's live S&L version! Sherelle Ric Robinson wrote: >I don't like Woodstock. NP-Roberta Flack's version of "In a Sentimental Mood" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:25:06 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: dc joni fest? I'm interested! Please let me know the details! Sherelle Bill wrote: Richard Flynn and I were discussing how great it would be to have a mini joni fest in dc. I know we had mentioned this before but don't think anything was moving along. I know a great cafe that would host it, if people are interested, let's discuss. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:44:20 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: DJRD / first post Paul; When I first bought Joni's torch singer album, BSN, I was disappointed. Then, after giving it a listen a few times, I fell in love with her "new" voice. She still has the range, not quite the sustain, but richer quality, like a fine aged guitar. Listening to Hits the other day, I got hung up on the one full stanza of Unchained Melody in Nothing Lasts For Long. Joni, please, sing the whole song by itself! All this talk about Joni's transition(s), especially from the early albums to the more adventurous and heavily produced and orchestrated ones, beginning with C&S, reminds me of Dylan fans being outraged when he started playing an electric guitar. She hasn't always been on the top of the pop charts with three minute and ten second gingles, but she has always stretched and not been afraid to put her newest efforts out there. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Bishop" To: Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 4:53 AM Subject: DJRD / first post > Hi All, > > my first post here (if i'm doing this right), and i'll > start by saying that listening to a second-hand double > LP DJRD was what made me sign up for this list. It > seems as if every single Joni article skips over this > album, lumping it in with her turn to less sturctured > songs, more free-form songs, but i feel it is one of > her richest albums. > > What i like most about the lyrics is that they tell > stories, but they hint at so much more. A lot of > Joni's narrative-songs tell a story, and sure there is > more to it than we get, but the ones on DJRD seem to > require the most reading between the lines. > > Dreamland is one of my favourite songs by anyone. The > rhythm and feel of the percussion, and the bounce in > her voice, make it seem as if this is the music of the > spheres. Have any of you read about Super String > Theory? The idea that the Universe is fundamentally > constructed of tiny vibrating strings? Well, the > rhythm of this song seems to me to be the rhythm of > these things. Dreamland "gets" me on such a > fundamental level. > > The repeated use of "dream" imagery throughout the > album is worth investigating (if you have time!) and > prbably deliberate by Joni, and worthy of far deeper > investigation than any music magazine has given to it. > Paprika Plains is central to this idea, especially the > wordless poem bit. This is really an album that needed > tens of listens before anything started to sink in. (I > didnt even like the album at first - dreamland > excepted) > > I love Blue, LOTC and C&S, hated HOSL when i first > heard it, though love it more with each listen now, > and am waiting for the right moment to buy Hejira. And > i'll say a word for Travelogue too. Having heard most > of these songs brand new on Travelogue, not owning any > post-78 Joni, i thought it was stunning and beautiful. > The lush orchestra works very well behind her voice, > and the drums are superb. Her older, smoky voice is a > delight to listen to (can she re-do every one of her > old songs, please?), and this album saved me from a > potential bad drug-experience (though i'm sure this is > a topic for another time!). > > Thanks for reading, > Paul > > The raindrops. > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:46:54 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Prairie Girl Track List? But if you have them all, there is one for the house, one for the car, one for the office...... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael O'Malley" To: Cc: ; Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Prairie Girl Track List? > I agree with you Bob, that it is probably not a great artistic decision on > Joni's part to re-release a string of compilations of older work in quick > succession. Personally, as a long-time fan and consumer, these don't > interest me in the least. > > However, I'm sure she sees herself (rightly so) in the pantheon of the 20th > century greats such as Piaf, Sarah, Ella, Nina, Etta, etc. All these > artists saw multiple releases of their work in various different > compilations and incarnations during their lifetimes. In hindsight, did this > hurt their reputations? > > I may be naive here, but I think Joni is feerful that much of her music will > be forgotten, and this is her final push to try to give wings to some of her > lesser known work. I think she is hoping that these compilations will reach > a new, younger audience. To do this she needs new product, or something that > looks like new product (even though it is old product, repackaged.) Aside > from Blue, I doubt her older work would be picked up by younger fans. Joni > is playing a marketing game, producing product that might get noticed by > radio, print media, etc. I don't see it as a money grab. I don't think she's > sitting on her laurels either. I think she's into painting as never before. > I also think it's unfortunate that both her desire to make music and her > vocal capacities have diminished over the years. But we can't change any of > that. > > I fully agree that the arc of her artistic journey and her professional > integrity seem unparalled in the music business. But she's not in a vacuum, > she's on the periphery of the LA music scene. She's been around long enough > to know how it works. And it's her prerogative to do what she pleases with > her catalogue. Despite her vulnerability to criticism, she has always > trusted her instincts and stuck to her guns. That's my take on it. I can > only wish her the best. And I *am* looking forward to seeing what turns up > on PG ;-) > > Michael in Quebec > > _________________________________________________________________ > Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft. > SmartScreen Technology. > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=htt p://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the > first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:59:28 -0000 From: "Ric Robinson" Subject: DJRD Just listened to this again and was struck by a couple of things. 1. the scope is vast, possibly too vast. 2. Some of the musical ideas seem to have been more fully realised in = Mingus - I kept expecting Overture to break into God Must Be A Boogie = Man for instance. 3. Title track was very reminiscent of Coyote, which was odd since = Coyote pre-dates it and is considerably better. I think DJRD is a good album but have this nagging feeling that it = could've been great with a little less ambition, if that makes sense! [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Ric.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:18:03 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Arquette's film All We Are Saying The Rosanna Arquette Film, All We Are Saying, which fetaures intervies with Joni, Elvis Costello, Stevie Nicks, Elton John and the like will be screened twice during the Tribeca Film Festival in New York, on April 22 and 23. Details here under Arquette: http://www.tribecafilmfestival.org/tixSYS/filmguide/director-detail.php?Range=AB&Category=ALL&Venue=ALL&Day=20&Month=04&Year=2005&Genre=ALL&FestProgram= Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:33:43 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Judy's new cd Her is the track listing for Judy Collins9 new studio cd: 1. Singing Lessons 2. That Song About The Midway 3. Can't Cry Hard Enough > 4. You Can't Buy Love > 5. Voyager > 6. Sally Go 'Round The Roses > 7. Pacing The Cage > 8. Drops Of Jupiter > 9. The Wedding Song > 10. Checkmate Liberti > 11. Lincoln Portrait 12. How Can I Keep From Singing Very exciting. Some are new that Judy has written herself. I especially can9t wait to hear Drops of Jupiter by Train. I love that song. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:37:17 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: re: Joni featured in upcoming film - --- Garret wrote: > Hi Bryan, > thanks for posting this link, this sounds really interesting. And i'll > certainly be happy with Joni and Patti Smith content:-) > That was an interesting read. Was Rosana Arquette one of the hosts on the > tnt joni tribute? Ask Bryan and get an answer from Brian How's that for jmdl teamwork? I believe Rosanna Arquette was the person who did the opening introduction of Joni at the Warner Bros. show, later released as Painting With Words and Music in May 98, just a month after the very first Jonifest at Julie Webb's in Pittsburgh. It was Ashley Judd who did the opening hostess duties at the TNT Tribute in NYC. Brian in south jersey np: Bobby Short (RIP) on Fresh Air Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 14:03:45 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni featured in upcoming film http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/story.jsp?story=622070 didn't know 'in your eyes' (if I'd done a top 50 song list that would have been on it) was written for her... wow rosanna has inspired some songs hasn't she? Re sex kills... I just don't think joni's 'topical' songs are as good as her personal ones... I think its hard to go topical unless you make it a personal story... you can loose some of the art when you get too finger pointy imo Of course the exception to that opinion is dylan's 'blowin in the wind' & 'masters of war' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:46:15 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: RE: Sacrilege Ruth Davis wrote: Oh, OK...well like the old guy said "that's a horse of a different color!" So you don't have any complaints about the quality of the composition, you just find it depressing. It certainly can be - your opinion just reinforces the strength of Joni's skills the way I see it. Maybe you need to Colloseum II's prog-rock version of it, not quite so emotional. Bob NP: Joe Jackson Band, " 'Round Midnight" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:51:42 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: DJRD Ric Robinson wrote: <3. Title track was very reminiscent of Coyote, which was odd since Coyote pre-dates it and is considerably better.> Not too odd when you realize that she wrote them simultaneously and performed them as a medley on her '76 tour, before she recorded either. Dunno why she recorded them separately, but I'm glad she did. It was pretty mindbending the first time I heard the live shows. She also wrote Talk To Me around the same time and kept that one for DJRD as well. The creative juices must have really been flowing, I just wish that she was twice as busy based on the quality of her work at that time. Bob NP: The Newcomers, "Both Sides Now" Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:45:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: SOAPG Tracklist Announced! Well, they've announced it, the tracklist for SOAPG and there are a few surprises (well, no, nothing new, I guess that would be a REAL surprise) but I guess they seem to follow a historical trait rather than a geographical placing. Tea Leaf Prophecy, while being about her parents, could've been anywhere say in England in the 1940s for example... and do Amazon never check their spelling? Don JAUN's recless daughter? And still it's listed under PRARIE girl... Perhaps River was included cuz of the front cover being a woman skating on a frozen river (but we know it's a lake) and are we going to be treated to the full 7 mins of Come In From The Cold like in Hits (or was it Misses?) as opposed to the edited 3 minute version... Yes, Paprika Plains is there as predicted... good, good... can't wait to see if it's the remixed version...and are there any paintings? I would love the poster of the cd cover as it stands I guess but don't you think that she's got rather big feet? Or is it the skates? DJRD is a surprise (and co-incidental as it's been a topic of discussion this past week on the jmdl). 1. Urge For Going 2. Tea Leaf Prophecy 3. Cherokee Louise 4. Ray's Dad's Cadillac 5. Let the Wind Carry Me 6. Don Jaun's Reckless Daughter 7. Raised on Robbery 8. Paprika Plains 9. Song for Sharon 10. River 11. Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody 12. Harlem in Havana 13. Come in From the Cold Oh, there'll be feathers flying on the jmdl as Ray's Dad's Cadillac is on there, looking like a slut at her sister's wedding. But I like it anyway... it has a certain je ne sais quoi. It's a good one to play on guitar if anything and is evocative of something that has nothing to do with my generation but captures it concisely. On the whole a nice mix of old and new dontcha think? Something for everyone... the connoissuer, the fan, the newbie, the muso, the classicist, the jazzer, the folkie, the (aging) rocker, the fusion fan, the VG8 fan and none of it (apart from Cherokee Louise) looks like it might've been dug out from Tlog, for those of you that don't reckon THAT was any good (which I do). Anyway Much Joni Jamie Zoob Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:25:19 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Sex Kills I haven't seen any tapes "in circulation" of the Indianapolis show of the Mitchell/Dylan/Morrison tour. If there is one somewhere, I'm sure that night's Sex Kills was a killer. She had just been scolding some Dylan fans, then jumped into Sex Kills with both feet. Brian was kicking her along too, unlike his normal light touch. All the best, Lama Bob in SC said, >I like Sex Kills a lot, and my only complaint about it is that she doesn't rock hard enough. The '95 live take at the New Orleans gig has her using her metal/fuzz setting on the VG8, and it ratchets the tension up another notch - better. I'd still like to hear a version where it's really loud and angry. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:18:43 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Keren Ann with a Joni mention Can't get away from that darn Joni ... I was just reading about Keren Ann, the singer I mentioned here a couple of weeks ago when I posted a link to her site and a video. Anyway, here she is in the NY Times. The article mentions her being compared to Joni. That's the only Joni content. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/20/fashion/20nite.html? - --S __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:23:18 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Sex Kills "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: Good point Jim...I'm listening to it now and you're right she was full of piss & vinegar and pushes the tempo a bit and the energy a lot. And like you say, Brian is of course on the money and Greg Liesz' pedal steel is also feisty. Bob NP: Joni, "Sex Kills" (Market Square Arena, Indianapolis IN 10/26/98) Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 20:42:29 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: SOAPG Tracklist Announced! Many thanks for the list,Jamie. But you know? I can't help thinking "WFC" (who f**kin' cares?) Only if there's a remixed Paprika Plains will I buy it. Joni has been Lucy Van Pelt to my Charlie Brown once too often. But this time I'm not gonna kick that football. I hope those aren't famous last words That Charlie Brown, he's a clown ;-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Jamie Zubairi Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 7:45 PM To: Joni JMDL Subject: SOAPG Tracklist Announced! Well, they've announced it, the tracklist for SOAPG and there are a few surprises (well, no, nothing new, I guess that would be a REAL surprise) but I guess they seem to follow a historical trait rather than a geographical placing. Tea Leaf Prophecy, while being about her parents, could've been anywhere say in England in the 1940s for example... and do Amazon never check their spelling? Don JAUN's recless daughter? And still it's listed under PRARIE girl... Perhaps River was included cuz of the front cover being a woman skating on a frozen river (but we know it's a lake) and are we going to be treated to the full 7 mins of Come In From The Cold like in Hits (or was it Misses?) as opposed to the edited 3 minute version... Yes, Paprika Plains is there as predicted... good, good... can't wait to see if it's the remixed version...and are there any paintings? I would love the poster of the cd cover as it stands I guess but don't you think that she's got rather big feet? Or is it the skates? DJRD is a surprise (and co-incidental as it's been a topic of discussion this past week on the jmdl). 1. Urge For Going 2. Tea Leaf Prophecy 3. Cherokee Louise 4. Ray's Dad's Cadillac 5. Let the Wind Carry Me 6. Don Jaun's Reckless Daughter 7. Raised on Robbery 8. Paprika Plains 9. Song for Sharon 10. River 11. Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody 12. Harlem in Havana 13. Come in From the Cold Oh, there'll be feathers flying on the jmdl as Ray's Dad's Cadillac is on there, looking like a slut at her sister's wedding. But I like it anyway... it has a certain je ne sais quoi. It's a good one to play on guitar if anything and is evocative of something that has nothing to do with my generation but captures it concisely. On the whole a nice mix of old and new dontcha think? Something for everyone... the connoissuer, the fan, the newbie, the muso, the classicist, the jazzer, the folkie, the (aging) rocker, the fusion fan, the VG8 fan and none of it (apart from Cherokee Louise) looks like it might've been dug out from Tlog, for those of you that don't reckon THAT was any good (which I do). Anyway Much Joni Jamie Zoob Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:12:29 -0500 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Little Seal, be a gypsy dancer.. Just saw on TV that Joni collaborator Seal is expecting a child soon with girlfriend Heidi Klum. Yes, that Heidi Klum. If it's a girl, I'm laying odds that she's going to be named Joan...or something of that nature. Mark my word. :-) - -Julius ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #84 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)