From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #81 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, March 20 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 081 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Sacrilege ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni Covered ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Song for sharin', or buy yourself a mando, Lynn ["mike pritchard" ] Aussie Joniphiles [Mark-Leon Thorne ] sacrilege ["David Henderson" ] joni covered ["David Henderson" ] tye dye t-shirts and praying for peace ["David Henderson" ] Down to You??? ["David Henderson" ] nice article ["David Henderson" ] Pink Moon [JOJOE4456@aol.com] RE: sacrilege ["David Henderson" ] Re: tye dye t-shirts and praying for peace [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Sacrilege [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Nice article about TBOS and Dreamland [Randy Remote ] DJRD on CD ["Michael O'Malley" ] re: Joni Covered ["mia ortlieb" ] What's missing from "Artist's Choice"? ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: sacrilege [jrmco1@aol.com] dc joni fest? [Bill Dollinger ] Prairie Girl Track List? ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: dc joni fest? [jrmco1@aol.com] Re: Prairie Girl Track List? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Tree Museum proposal ["gene mock" ] RE: dc joni fest? ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Sacrilege ["Kate Bennett" ] carnival in canora [mags h ] Re: DJRD on CD ["John T. Folden" ] Re: carnival in canora/Kenora [Gary Z ] Re: carnival in canora/Kenora ["Mark or Travis" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:48:21 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Sacrilege >Just don't like the song Bob, no matter who does it!< I don't think its sacrilege to not like a song no matter who wrote it but I am curious to know why you don't like it... then I will tell you why I do like it ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 00:50:50 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni Covered I love 'amelia' sung by shawn colvin & mary chapin carpenter at the tribute... chill factor ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:17:53 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Song for sharin', or buy yourself a mando, Lynn >>I've got a 1913 Gibson F-4 mandolin I'm going to bring to the next Jonifest...will you play it, please, Les? Or maybe I'll go down to Los Angeles and camp out with it at the "Daily Grill" until Joni comes along. Has she ever recorded using mando, Lynn?<< What kind of salad do you prefer Julius? Caesar? mike in bcn npihm - what did Delaware...? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:23:54 -0000 From: "Ric Robinson" Subject: Re: Sacrilege > >Just don't like the song Bob, no matter who does it!< > > I don't think its sacrilege to not like a song no matter who wrote it but > I > am curious to know why you don't like it... then I will tell you why I do > like it Kate I don't necessarily know! I think I just find it twee and cliched and a bit dull. Because it is one of JM's "greatest" I often wonder why I don't like it so much but I can't quite put my finger on it. It was only recently I decided that I don't like it, before then I either pretended to like it or tolerated it. Sorry to be so vague! There are other songs I don't particularly like, some have already been mentioned, but Woodstock is *so* big, I thought I'd share my feelings about it and see what my new friends thought. Ric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:21:07 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Aussie Joniphiles I'm a little behind in the Joni covers CDs from Bob Muller. He recommends that I try to obtain them from someone local so, CALLING ALL AUSSIE JONIPHILES! Are there any Aussies who can help me out with some copies of Bob's Joni covers CDs? Mark in Sydney NP Cat Stevens - The Boy With The Moon and a Star on His Head. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 07:59:22 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: sacrilege It's interesting that several of us dislike the same songs: Ray's Day's Cadillac, Yvette in English and of course, Dancing Clown. Joni's cover of Twisted is just so lame compared to the original and Bette Midler's wonderfully insane cover (out the year before Joni's cover). But for me, I have to say that my ultimate vote has to go to Paprika Plains. It's not just my least favorite Joni tune; it's probably one of my top five worst tunes by a respectable writer ever. That said, isn't it amazing how many tunes our Joni has written over 30 years, and we can only come-up with a handful of duds. Most CDs I buy have 5 or 6 duds on the same disc!! David NP Mary Gauthier Hey, does anybody know what this song is on the radio . . the chorus is something like "You've made a fool of everyone," kind of 70s/McCartney sounding . . I've been hearing it every morning for about a week, but God forbid a NYC radio station ever tell you the name and artist of a song. Ugh. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 08:05:15 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: joni covered I am in complete agreement with Jerry here. All three of these women made these wonderful songs their own and that really puts them over the top for me. >Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 08:06:45 -0500 >From: Jerry Notaro >Subject: Re: Joni Covered > Hi gang. I don't know if this has been a thread before or not but I was > just curious if any polls on Joni covers have been taken. What are > people's favourite covers of Joni songs? > > I'll throw my 2 cents worth in. For a faithful recreation, you can't go > past Wynonna's, "Help Me". I love PM Dawn's, "Night In The City" and as > a gay man, Kind of Like Spitting's, "The Last Time I saw Richard". > > What does everyone else think? >Mine: >Bonnie Raitt - That Song About the Midway >Barbra Streisand - I Don't Know Where I Stand >Diana Krall - A Case of You >Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 08:18:17 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: tye dye t-shirts and praying for peace LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL GARRET SAID: "My partner is convinced we're all self-indulgent gay guys and lesbians in tye dye t-shirts who stand in cricles holding hands and praying for peace;-)" My partner, my mother, all of my friends . . . everyone only knows two Joni songs - Circle Game and Both Sides Now. Regarding the JMDL, my sister said to me, seriously, "What do you discuss? Vietnam and Watergate? Doesn't that hippie shit get boring?" I told my therapist that Joni was my favorite artist, and he said, "So you like music that expresses sadness above all else. Hm. Do you ever listen to anything contemporary?" Spreading the gospel is just so darned difficult! Still, I tread onward . . . David NP Mary Gauthier, Mercy Now ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 05:28:34 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: sacrilege - --- David Henderson wrote: > That said, isn't it amazing how many tunes our Joni > has written over 30 > years, and we can only come-up with a handful of > duds. I just did the math -- I'm exhausted now! -- and figured out that one can now say "over 40 years" with regard to Joni's songwriting and performing. There are Joni songs I like less than others, of course, but many times I've become wild about songs ("In France They Kiss on Main Street") or albums ("Hejira") years after I've given up on them. - --Smurf NPIMH: "L'amour, Mama, not cheap display" as performed by Mary P. at Jonifest 2004! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 08:33:12 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: Down to You??? BOB WROTE: """Wow, Ruth...Down To You??? That's one of my favorite Joni songs and a song that I would say is "essential Joni" or the essence of what Joni is all about...that is, sharp unique cliche-free lyrical imagery, and composition more than song. Not that I'm saying you have to like it, but could I press you to detail just what it is that causes you to DETEST it? I'd be interested to know.""" I agree with Bob on this one Ruth. I never expected anyone to pick this one, but to each her own of course. I find Down To You mesmerizing . . . the whole feeling of the dawn after a night that refuses to die feels so real . . . that feeling that you cannot wake-up from darkness . . . Beth Orton's Central Reservation creates the same feeling. There's a high drama to it that I loved as a teenager, and there's a raw, naked honesty about it that I love as an adult. This is my favorite verse: In the morning there are lovers in the street They look so high You brush against a stranger And you both apologize Old friends seem indifferent You must have brought that on Old bonds have broken down Love is gone Ooh, love is gone Written on your spirit this sad song Love is gone David NP Sunday in the Park with George - I'm leaving now for Wall to Wall Sondheim at Symphony Space!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 08:52:31 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: nice article >Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 22:19:48 -0800 (PST) >From: Brian Gross >Subject: Nice article about TBOS and Dreamland >http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2005/03/17/1110913717067.html?oneclick=tr ue >Writing in her own blood, but for deaf ears >By Warwick McFadyen >March 19, 2005 Thank you for this. It's one of the most interesting articles I've ever read about Joni. Joni says, "It's a bad time to be right." LOL How can you not love and respect this beautiful, intelligent, pig-headed woman? David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 08:50:31 EST From: JOJOE4456@aol.com Subject: Pink Moon Blue or Pink Moon at least 3 reasons please JJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:15:24 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: RE: sacrilege Hmmm . . . I don't like the sound of "over 40 years." I don't care how old Joni is, but I am getting concerned about how old I am. he he SMURF SAID: >>>There are Joni songs I like less than others, of >>>course, but many times I've become wild about songs >>>("In France They Kiss on Main Street") or albums >>>("Hejira") years after I've given up on them. So true, part of why I feel lucky to have fallen in love/awe of an artist with such a diverse range. I bought my first copy of Blue during THOSL era, and I didn't care for it, too 'folkie.' But I bought that new invention - the cassette tape - of it in 1982 and fell madly in love with it less than halfway through the first side. I guess I was just at a different place. When I bought Mingus, I swear my heart broke. I thought it was the most boring album I had ever heard, and I have rarely felt so disappointed in something in my life. I think I was mad at Joni for about two years. (I was 19. I got very mad very easily back then.) Eons later in 2000 or 2001, I heard God Must Be A Boogie Man in a cafe downtown while I was waiting for a friend, and I thought, this ain't so bad. And now it's a favorite. Mingus and FTR have the same feel to me - sparkling and crystalline like the bright sun on a hardwood floor in the morning. David >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Smurf [mailto:smurfadelica@yahoo.com] >>>Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 8:29 AM >>>To: David Henderson; Joni Mitchell List >>>Subject: Re: sacrilege >>> >>> >>> >>>--- David Henderson wrote: >>> >>>> That said, isn't it amazing how many tunes our Joni >>>> has written over 30 >>>> years, and we can only come-up with a handful of >>>> duds. >>> >>>I just did the math -- I'm exhausted now! -- and >>>figured out that one can now say "over 40 years" with >>>regard to Joni's songwriting and performing. >>> >>>There are Joni songs I like less than others, of >>>course, but many times I've become wild about songs >>>("In France They Kiss on Main Street") or albums >>>("Hejira") years after I've given up on them. >>> >>>--Smurf >>> >>>NPIMH: "L'amour, Mama, not cheap display" as performed >>>by Mary P. at Jonifest 2004! >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! >>>http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 09:39:53 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: tye dye t-shirts and praying for peace "Dear, Doctor, I think that it's you instead." LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:53:01 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Sacrilege Hi Ya'll, No least favorite Joni song here. I have undying love for them all. If I was to say I had a least favorite Joni song, and then play it, I would catch some undeniable beauty in it and wonder why I ever said that. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:45:50 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Nice article about TBOS and Dreamland Interesting article, especially the Nietzsche quote, which helps make more sense out of 'Stimulants' which always kind of puzzled me. As for: > The title, The Beginning of Survival, is taken from a letter (reproduced in the > liner notes) by a native-American Indian, Chief Seattle, supposedly written to > the government in the 1800s. The validity of the letter, and its authorship, > have been questioned. Not just questioned, completely debunked. As the author said, maybe to Joni that is immaterial to what she wanted to say. I think it's inclusion is more indicative of her isolation...had she shown it to a few more people, or gotten a fact-checker, maybe someone would've caught the mistake, as it's fairly widely known. The messages in these songs are great, I'm totally in tune with that aspect. It's not her best work, though, on a musical level. The inventiveness, melodic, and harmonic content of these compositions, not to mention the production, pale in comparison to much of her other work. IMO. That's part of why they didn't fly, not because of the era. The 80's songs got more exposure (via MTV) than her earlier stuff. RR > http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2005/03/17/1110913717067.html?oneclick=true ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:48:22 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: sacrilege David Henderson wrote: > IHey, does anybody know what this song is on the radio . . the chorus is > something like "You've made a fool of everyone," kind of 70s/McCartney > sounding . . I've been hearing it every morning for about a week Is it Sexy Sadie from The Beatles white album? Lennon's disillusioned slam on the Maharishi? Sexy Sadie, what have you done? You made a fool of everyone ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:47:39 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: DJRD on CD Richard said: ``I finally got DJRD on Compact Disc and I must say I love it as I've never loved it before. No getting up to turn over the records! I think my twenty-two year old self just wasn't ready for it. (Though my 21-year-old self wore out the groves on Hejira.) I can't really articulate why it seems new to me, but it does.`` Me: I hear you Richard. I was hesitant to fork out for DJRD when I upgraded my Joni vinyl, it was low on my list, but now it counts among my top 5 Joni albums. I love this disc because the music and singing is perhaps the most free-flowing, relaxed and open of all her work. It foreshadows her dive into Mingus, but is much more accesible. It has a very hip feel to it, and is also the only Joni album that really rocks, after C&S. Think Cotton Avenue, Talk To Me, DJRD, Dreamland, Tenth World. There are great currents and breezes blowing and flowing all throughout this music, like on no other album. It seems to be ever opening and expanding. The ``chords of inquiry`` and spacey vocals of the Overture, are among the most beautiful in her work. The jazz riffs, strings and horns that punctuate the music on this album blend in so seamlessly. Her guitar work is as brilliant as ever, accompanied by Jaco's amazing bass. The songs have aged well. Paprika Plains, whatever one thinks of the central orchestral section, is one of Joni's great works. The music reflects the lyrics so beautifully and it aslo features one of Joni's great vocal perfomances. Jericho is one of the great love songs, while Off Night Backstreet is perhaps her most bittersweet (and some say, sexy) take on love uncertain in the shadows. Silky Veils is a heart rending finale about dreams and regrets of impossible love. Like yourself, in my early twenties this album sounded a little too experimental, dark and dissonant for my tastes. Today however it feels very comfortable, like home. I have always loved the line, ``If you got no place special, well my dear, you just go no place special.`` Words to live by. Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 14:04:46 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Joni Covered <> My top three: 1. Bonnie Raitt - "That Song About the Midway" (for all the same reasons others have mentioned) 2. Terry Gonda - "Both Sides Now" (as sick as I am of BSN, I fell in love instantly with this version - it is a very heartfelt rendition) 3. Roger McGuinn - "Dreamland" (there is something about this song that I can't quite put my finger on...very intriguing and unique) And...as for my least favorite Joni track? Well, I have to vote for "Snakes and Ladders" - Everything about this song annoys me, the music, the singing (Don Henley included), the lyrics, the rhythm, you name it. I find it obnoxious. Even "Dancing Clown" beats this song. I have to say boo to all of you who voted for "Sex Kills" - Dark, disturbing, truthful, in-your-face, and Historic! Even the slackey-twang of the low guitar strings adds a distubing dimension to the music - very Stravinsky-like. I think Joni is way ahead of us on this song... it will just take us awhile to catch up. Mia - amazed that she just fetched $34.00 for an old Snuffalupagus stuffed animal doll on EBay. People are nuts and will buy just about anything. I've noticed things seem to sell better if you add the word "Vintage" to the description. (what exactly is "Vintage," anyhow?) Even "Haunted" items seem to sell, LOL! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:06:57 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: What's missing from "Artist's Choice"? I noticed there's no Annie Ross on the Starbucks' disc "Joni Mitchell- Artist's Choice". ~What up~ with that? In my opinion Annie Ross was an influence because she: * set words to jazz * put humor in the stories * was the only woman doing this (arguably) * crammed a super-natural number of syllables into a line Sounds familiar doesn't it? Anyway, if you haven't heard Annie Ross' "Farmer's Market", you haven't heard the spiritual model for "Dry Cleaner From Des Moines." Joni's cited Annie's "Cloudburst" as a great song that's nearly impossible to sing. Like a native American elder, I'm taking pleasure in telling the old stories. Amen, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:09:26 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: sacrilege It's by a group named Jet. I think it's called "Look what you've done." Randy Remote wrote:David Henderson wrote: > IHey, does anybody know what this song is on the radio . . the chorus is > something like "You've made a fool of everyone," kind of 70s/McCartney > sounding . . I've been hearing it every morning for about a week Is it Sexy Sadie from The Beatles white album? Lennon's disillusioned slam on the Maharishi? Sexy Sadie, what have you done? You made a fool of everyone Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:43:08 -0500 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: sacrilege Interesting, David. True story: when I was 19 and a freshman in college, circa '79, I heard Blue for the first time and had my very foundation rocked like never before. Then I heard C&S and I started to get antsy. It was okay, and head and shoulders above everything else going on at the time... Let me take that back, there was awesome Joan Armatrading going on and Bonnie Raitt was hitting her stride... But anyway, after hearing C&S I decided to cut my losses and listen to new Joni no more. I was scared shitless that I would be painting my own portrait of a disappointment if I had to listen to more digressions from her Blue themes and 'feel.' (Maybe the dulcimer did it, I don't know). Such was my reverence for my beloved Blue. I didn't recover my nerve until Hejira! There's so much time to make up everywhere I turn/time I have wasted on the way. Now I love it all, without reservation or purpose of evasion. I wake up and every morning smacks of Chelsea and I'm excited for yet another day to explore her oeuvre more. One shining facet of her genius is that she makes me want to be a better man. - -Julius >When I bought Mingus, I swear my heart broke. I thought it was the most >boring album I had ever heard, and I have rarely felt so disappointed in >something in my life. I think I was mad at Joni for about two years. (I >was 19. I got very mad very easily back then.) ... >David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:08:18 -0500 From: Bill Dollinger Subject: dc joni fest? Richard Flynn and I were discussing how great it would be to have a mini joni fest in dc. I know we had mentioned this before but don't think anything was moving along. I know a great cafe that would host it, if people are interested, let's discuss. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 02:18:07 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Prairie Girl Track List? Actually, when we look at the catalogues of some of the great pop and jazz vocalists of the past, we have all possible permutations of their greatest hits, very best of, very very best of, essential hits of, golden hits of, complete hits of, etc., etc. So why should we begrudge this of Joni ? I think she has every right to remarket her work as she sees fit. In fact the compilations seem to be doing fairly well, according to Amazon's Joni popular hits list. In fact, this got me musing as to what Prairie Girl could look like. I think someone already did this exercise in a previous post, but here's my best guess: Urge For Going That Song About the Midway Little Green Let the Wind Carry Me Song for Sharon Refuge of the Roads Paprika Plains Moon at the Window Unchained Melody Cherokee Louise Ray's Dad's Cadillac Harlem in Havana We'd still be missing a few tunes, so maybe we could add Sistobel Lane, Raised on Robbery, and Shadows and Light And of course, there could be surprises like Eastern Rain or Carnival in Kenora! Anyone care to up the ante ? ;-) Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft. 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Michael O'Malley wrote: "Actually, when we look at the catalogues of some of the great pop and jazz vocalists of the past, we have all possible permutations of their greatest hits, very best of, very very best of, essential hits of, golden hits of, complete hits of, etc., etc. So why should we begrudge this of Joni ?" Yeah, but usually they're spaced out over quite a few years, and the artist is *ulp* dead. "In fact, this got me musing as to what Prairie Girl could look like. I think someone already did this exercise in a previous post, but here's my best guess: [...] And of course, there could be surprises like Eastern Rain or Carnival in Kenora!" And, speaking of Kenora, did you know that there is Kenora in so-far-west-Ontario-it's-almost-Manitoba http://www.city.kenora.on.ca/index.html, but there is also Canora in Saskatchewan (named for Canadian Northern Railway) http://www.canora.com/ , "home of the best-tasting municipal water in Canada". Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:59:50 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: Tree Museum proposal Thanks Warren, you put a lot of work and thought into this proposal. Bryan made a comment that we already have "tree museums" but their called arboretums/arboreta. Perhaps we should try to start a movement to rename arboreta to "tree museums" and if people would wish to donate a buck and a half so be it. Once again Warren, nice job. later gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Warren Smith To: gene mock Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 4:17 AM Subject: Re: Tree Museum proposal Attached gene mock wrote: i'm curious. please email me. thanks gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Smith" To: Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 5:18 PM Subject: Tree Museum proposal > I have a proposal for a large State Park to be designated "Tree Museum." Also, many smaller Tree Museums. > > Charge all the people a dollar and a half. Educate on Urban Sprawl. > > This will be a huge tribute to Joni's work. Lifetime achievement award. > > Upon your request, I will email a Word Document attachment of my proposal for your review, comments, and brainstorming ideas. Three pages of details plus some background pages. Too big to post here. > > I am working now on getting this proposal ready for consideration. Let's keep it within JMDL for now, not leaking it to the public until it is in a more final form. > > Let me know if you would like me to email the Tree Museum proposal to you. > > Warren > NJTreeMuseum@Yahoo.com > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 23:17:03 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: dc joni fest? I don't live in DC, but I'm from there. Since I'm driving up the coast to teach in Boston for the whole month of July, I was thinking I could stay up in my old hometown for a few days late in June. Any interest? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of jrmco1@aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 9:35 PM To: bill@blueandindigo.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: dc joni fest? You're in DC, Bill? Coulda sworn you were a West Coastie. - -Julius - -----Original Message----- From: Bill Dollinger To: JMDL List Sent: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:08:18 -0500 Subject: dc joni fest? Richard Flynn and I were discussing how great it would be to have a mini joni fest in dc. I know we had mentioned this before but don't think anything was moving along. I know a great cafe that would host it, if people are interested, let's discuss. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:43:50 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Sacrilege >I don't necessarily know! I think I just find it twee and cliched and a bit dull. Because it is one of JM's "greatest" I often wonder why I don't like it so much but I can't quite put my finger on it.< thanks ric... I don't know if its one of her greatest as I guess that is really a subjective thing... I love it because the first time I heard it I had recently been to Woodstock & I was amazed at how she captured the experience & even more amazed that she was able to do so without having been there... similar I guess to neil young's ohio... anyway I am wondering if after all these years it sounds cliched... at the time it was a song that found the words to speak from the heart of many in my generation... this song to me underlies what a songwriting genius she is.. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:55:48 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: carnival in canora Canuckian Catherine McKay wrote: <<>> nice grab there Catherine, makes sense that Canora is the Sask one...(closer to Joniland) anyone know for certain? Aforementioned north western Ontario Kenora is about 2 hours east of Winterpeg...and then there's another couple of hours just to the Saskatchewan border....how likely is it that Joni meant Kenora, Ont? btw, Winnipeg water tastes fine, especially in June ;-) Mags Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 00:04:10 -0500 From: "John T. Folden" Subject: Re: DJRD on CD On Mar 19, 2005, at 2:47 PM, Michael O'Malley wrote: > Like yourself, in my early twenties this album sounded a little too > experimental, dark and dissonant for my tastes. Today however it feels > very comfortable, like home. > I have always loved the line, ``If you got no place special, well my > dear, you just go no place special.`` Words to live by. I've always loved that line, as well. There's something terribly cute about the way she delivers it, too. ...and I've always loved DJRD. I remember checking out a vinyl copy from the local library back in 1985/86 when I was only 16 and listening to it, mesmerized. It has, without fail, remained my 2nd fave album behind HOSL all these years. Now, Blue on the other hand was an album that took a long time to sink in for me. There have always been tracks on there that I enjoyed but it, actually, wasn't until earlier this year that I really began to appreciate the depth of feeling behind songs like My Old Man or California after finally seeing Joni perform them in a 1970 TV appearance. It's odd, but almost sinfully delicious, how some songs don't hit you right away but sort of creep up on you over time. John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 00:16:59 -0500 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: carnival in canora/Kenora Nope, looks like it's Kenora, Ontario.... JM: This is a song about a carnival in a place called Kenora, which really does exist. Kenora is in the province of Ontario. And I was inspired to write it when I really didn't know anything about the town. And I used to give all this folklore on stage, and it used to be all completely inaccurate, because I really didn't know anything about the town. All I ever saw of it was from a train window and I happened to be looking out of the side of the train that the town wasn't actually on, so all I saw was a sign that said "Kenora" and a big lake and big rocks and big trees and the lake was covered with pontoon planes. So I thought that was all that was there, you know. And I also thought that Kenora was an Indian word, and I used to tell people that it meant 'lake of many pontoon planes.' (Laughs.) That wasn't true either. And it turns out there actually is a town of Kenora. It has a population of 10,000 people and most important of all is that there is actually a carnival in Kenora which I didn't believe when I wrote the song either. " Here is the full text: http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=608 Best regards, Gary mags h wrote: >Canuckian Catherine McKay wrote: > > ><<so-far-west-Ontario-it's-almost-Manitoba >http://www.city.kenora.on.ca/index.html, but there is also Canora in Saskatchewan (named for Canadian Northern >Railway) http://www.canora.com/ , "home of the best-tasting municipal >water in Canada".>>> > >nice grab there Catherine, makes sense that Canora is the Sask one...(closer to Joniland) anyone know for certain? Aforementioned north western Ontario Kenora is about 2 hours east of Winterpeg...and then there's another couple of hours just to the Saskatchewan border....how likely is it that Joni meant Kenora, Ont? > >btw, Winnipeg water tastes fine, especially in June ;-) > >Mags > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:39:27 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: carnival in canora/Kenora Gary Z wrote: > Nope, looks like it's Kenora, Ontario.... > > JM: This is a song about a carnival in a place called Kenora, which > really does exist. Kenora is in the province of Ontario. And I was > inspired to write it when I really didn't know anything about the > town. And I used to give all this folklore on stage, and it used to > be all completely inaccurate, because I really didn't know anything > about the town. All I ever saw of it was from a train window and I > happened to be looking out of the side of the train that the town > wasn't actually on, so all I saw was a sign that said "Kenora" and a > big lake and big rocks and big trees and the lake was covered with > pontoon planes. I wonder if that's where the pontoon planes reference comes from in 'Black Crow'. I have ridden in one once when my niece was visiting. You can pay to ride in a pontoon plane down on Lake Union in Seattle. It was fun! So much for 'Joni Mitchell never lies'! ;-) Mark E. in Seattle where it was actually raining today! woohoo! ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #81 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)