From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #72 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, March 11 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 072 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Nash [Gary Z ] SOAPG - and collections in general [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: Come in From the Cold video - What's she doing to that cat??? [Mark-L] Re: SOAPG - and collections in general [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni Songbook [Rdalindley@aol.com] Songs of a Prairie Girl ["Kate Bennett" ] Blue Album Cover Photo ["Steven Polifka" ] Re: Nash [jrmco1@aol.com] Re: Blue Album Cover Photo [Jerry Notaro ] Tim [Jerry Notaro ] Pure conjecture: The very idea of Joni on "American Idol" ["c Karma" ] Re: Blue Album Cover Photo [Gary Z ] Readin' Writin' and Ejucatin' [Justalittlebreen@aol.com] Re: Blue Album Cover Photo [Em ] Steely Dan's recent releases(sjc) [Justalittlebreen@aol.com] Re: Readin' Writin' and Ejucatin' ["Anne Sandstrom" ] Re: Steely Dan's recent releases(sjc) [Em ] Re: album poll [Bob Muller ] Songs of a prairie girl [Rob & Tracy ] Re: Tim [Rick ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 06:26:23 -0500 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Nash Hi Julius, I believe it was Henry Diltz who took the "Blue" photo cover of Joni. I would highly recommend seeing the DVD, "Under the Covers" which contains a small segment about the "Blue" album cover, as well as a photo shoot that took place at Joni's in Laurel Canyon. The DVD is here: http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?style=movie&pid=3413784&cart=234688111 Best regards, Gary jrmco1@aol.com wrote: > And who took the photo that became the cover of Blue anyway, ya'll? I > forgot. > > -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:31:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: SOAPG - and collections in general I love Joni Mitchell and I really admire her work and read almost every interview that comes out and buy her posters if it's of a pretty album cover or whatever. I guess you could say I'm a fan. She's got two collections out which are being distributed all over the USA which shold gain her more listeners in coffeeshops, she had two more collections out last year and this year there is yet ANOTHER one... Does she not think, '"Hey, the first group of songs only sold so much and they were the 'popular' ones, the second group of songs sold even less... Perhaps I shouldn't do another collection as they will only be obscure songs from albums that didn't do so well commercially." and yet were just about to get another collection. I know I will get it for the paintings but what is the thinking. Are there enough of us on the list to keep the sales of these going? Has she re-sold enough of the later, more expensive work, to pay for the production costs of them all? What is the thinking behind it? Anyone? Anyone? Isn't there a market for unreleased, bootlegs and live performances? Much Joni Jamie Zoob Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 03:46:48 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: SOAPG - and collections in general Jamie Zubairi wrote: The thinking is that there are enough people who will buy it for the paintings to justify it. ;~) The Starbucks set is potentially already a flop - you can get the PAIR of CD's on ebay for $16.99 (as opposed to the original purchase prices of 14.95/12.95). Bob NP: "Magic To Do" Ben Vereen/Pippin Soundtrack (hopefully I'll get to do this show for the third time this summer) Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:04:17 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Come in From the Cold video - What's she doing to that cat??? Hi Melissa. Nice to see someone else here from the greatest city in the world. :-) I have Come In From The Cold DVD too. I had seen the video for Dancing Clown on Video Hits when it first came out and wondered if that cat was feeling tortured myself. Watching it recently, I was even more shocked. She really is quite rough with it, huh? I guess they are pretty placid and are used to Joni's handling of them. It doesn't look too stressed. Just something to do in your kitchen after washing dishes on a sunny day. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:40:56 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: SOAPG - and collections in general - --- Bob Muller wrote: > Jamie Zubairi wrote: > the > thinking?> > > The thinking is that there are enough people who > will buy it for the paintings to justify it. ;~) > I would love it if Joni would produce some large-size posters of her art. Limited edition prints would be great (if expensive) but how about just a really nice poster version on decent paper? Maybe that's not financially viable? But it's better than looking at CD art through a microscope for those of us with less-than-perfect (read, horribly crappy) eyesight. (I really must buy frames for the posters I do have first.) Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:01:56 -0500 From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Re: Death vs. Living in Iowa -- the googlefight Death won, with almost 95 million hits, vs. Living in Iowa, with about 3.5 million hits. Living *near* Iowa did even worse, with less than one million hits. Death vs. [simply] Iowa -- Death still wins, but not by as much: Iowa gets 54 million. My apologies (sympathies) for those living in or near Iowa, and/or those who are dead. best, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:11:44 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: david sapp Subject: album poll I guess I'm dense but how do I vote on the album poll? peace, david ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:28:56 -0500 From: Rdalindley@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Songbook I totally agree - the piano arrangements are pretty basic but they are helpful as a skeleton to do some great things. My vocal trio Foiled Again has used them many times. And certainly in the canon of Joni music the music from this period is more traditional in song structure so the piano transciptions aren't nearly as bad as the ones from say the "Blue" songbook. It's also nice to have because of all the great pictures. :) Rob in the blue TV screen light ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:04:06 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Songs of a Prairie Girl >Dude, there are plenty. There's one about the Broadway bridge, that one about Harlem in Havana, that song about the midway, and I'm not even breaking a sweat.< Midway about Canada? It speaks more of Florida to me... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:04:18 -0600 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Blue Album Cover Photo The BLUE album cover photo was taken by Michael Considine, and actor who was one of the boys in 'My Three Sons' tv show from the 60's. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:13:06 -0500 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: Nash Thanks, Gary. This List is better than "Ask Jeeves" for getting my mysteries unraveled. Sure appreciate it. - -Julius ___ Hi Julius, I believe it was Henry Diltz who took the "Blue" photo cover of Joni. I would highly recommend seeing the DVD, "Under the Covers" which contains a small segment about the "Blue" album cover, as well as a photo shoot that took place at Joni's in Laurel Canyon. The DVD is here: http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?style=movie&pid=3413784&cart=234688111 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:14:59 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Blue Album Cover Photo > The BLUE album cover photo was taken by Michael Considine, and actor who > was one of the boys in 'My Three Sons' tv show from the 60's. > Steve > Uh, that was Tim Considine on My Three Sons. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:27:51 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Tim At last report, Tim Considine was a high-priced Beverly Hills photographer. ~ Hal Erickson, All Movie Guide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:36:09 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: Pure conjecture: The very idea of Joni on "American Idol" Every time I consider the songwriters and artists who have appeared as special guest judges on "American Idol" , I wonder what kind of tumult Joni would cause in that role. Smoking issues during the live broadcast aside... if she were given the same access to advise and coach the contestants during the prep week that say Neil Sedaka was, then I bet we'd really see a change in the performance of the singers...something VERY different. It doesn't matter if they were to do her songs or others, I think she'd make a fine and challenging A&R person for a week. Dr. Mitchell could easly teach the contestants, the judges and the audience what deep, heartfelt performance and good songwriting can do together. I don't think anyone could argue her resume. Regarding how the other judges would regard her, and vice versa: 1. I think Simon wouldn't stop stammering every time she looked in his direction, 2. I think she'd recognize Paula for her consistently humane treatment of the contestants, and 3. I think she'd tear Randy a new one for having squandered his influence as a record exec.,--full frontal assault on the industry taking out the MUSE and leaving the ICK. Any fears for Joni coming across as a cranky old broad are minimized given the live aspect of the show, as she is normally very charming and engaging. She seems to suffer only at the hands of an editor with an agenda. Oh, it would be colorful. While were here, AI -- where's the Carole King show that would be the shizzle? There's a great American songbook out there, you know where to find it. CC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:51:20 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Songs of a Prairie Girl "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > Dude, there are plenty. There's one about the Broadway bridge, that one > about Harlem in Havana, that song about the midway, and I'm not even > breaking a sweat. Still, it's a big stretch to make a whole CD that is supposedly 'about' the province.. > If you're looking for a current songwriter, with a voice of an angel, an > attitude, yet is also drop-dead hot, check out Karin Berquist of "Over > The Rhine". She's "the new Joni Mitchell". She does have a very nice voice, and good songwriting chops, though the two I heard were pretty opiate, for lack of a better word. The new Joni Mitchell? That would be Fiona Apple, dear boy! 2 songs by Over The Rhine here: https://www.pastemusic.com/product/1088 RR (not Rocky Raccoon) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:55:40 -0500 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Blue Album Cover Photo According to the "Blue" CD, the cover photo was taken by Tim Considine, but Henry Diltz talks about it on the "Under the Covers" DVD, and I think he was the one who used a technique to change the black and white photo taken by Tim, to the "Blue" color it has. At least that is my understanding. Best, Gary Steven Polifka wrote: >The BLUE album cover photo was taken by Michael Considine, and actor who >was one of the boys in 'My Three Sons' tv show from the 60's. >Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:46:53 -0500 From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Readin' Writin' and Ejucatin' Hi, Anne, I'm sure someone else (anal) besides me already caught this, but at the tail end of a posting a coupla days ago, you said: <> Clearly, you forgot the apostrophe in " educatin' ". ;-) love, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:15:47 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Blue Album Cover Photo so its not just that they used blue ink to print the covers? i.e. use the same neg. as for black and white but use blue ink instead of black? So thats a full color photograph? wish I could see it in detail... interesting... Em - --- Gary Z wrote: > According to the "Blue" CD, the cover photo was taken by Tim > Considine, > but Henry Diltz talks about it on the "Under the Covers" DVD, and I > think he was the one who used a technique to change the black and > white > photo taken by Tim, to the "Blue" color it has. At least that is my > understanding. > > Best, > > Gary > > > > Steven Polifka wrote: > > >The BLUE album cover photo was taken by Michael Considine, and actor > who > >was one of the boys in 'My Three Sons' tv show from the 60's. > >Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:19:01 -0500 From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Steely Dan's recent releases(sjc) Hi gang, With all this talk about the Dan and Joni, I'm surprised no one has brought up the fact that, just as many people think Joni retired after Hejira or DJRD or what have you, F&B both continued to make music, although not much or often -- Fagin's Nightfly (1982?), I think, is a masterpiece -- they both put out one album apiece in the early-ish 90's (F's "Kamakiriad" and B's "Eleven Whack s.t." -- has anybody ever heard either of these? -- they had a rapprochement during this period and did their first tour since their second or third SD album, a 20-year gap), and then their last two albums (together again), Two Against Nature (2000) and Everything Must Go (2003), were both excellent, eps. the former, which is a masterpiece, imho. Anyhoo, it's clear that the nasty (or at least silly -- memory fades) comments they made about her in an interview that I remember from around the time of Gaucho was their usual media-f**k tongue-in-cheek. Hopefully either they notified her, so she wouldn't be shocked, or they knew she'd take it as their usual dyspeptic chain-yanking. W/r/t Gaucho -- I also don't like Third World Man or Glamour Profession very much, and like the title cut the best, but Joni's point is valid -- it was the drubbing they took from the press (something she can relate to) that made them both take extended vacations. Also, I think only available on one of their greatest hits albums or maybe the box set, the full-length version of FM is great jazz. best, walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:03:06 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: Re: Readin' Writin' and Ejucatin' Walt said: > I'm sure someone else (anal) besides me already caught this, but at the tail > end of a posting a coupla days ago, you said: > > <> > > Clearly, you forgot the apostrophe in " educatin' ". > Ah, yes but I majored in French, hence my issues with English. (Oh, ok, I'm guilty of the occasional (!) typo...) Or maybe thousand of dollars just wasn't enough in my case - perhaps it should have been millions... lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:26:11 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Steely Dan's recent releases(sjc) Kamakiriad bored me. And I have one later Becker one too, and that seemed to not thrill me either. Seem joyless and uninspired compared to Gaucho and previous. But it's probably just me. Maybe I'll pop one of those in when I go for my walk later and "force" myself to listen to it. Like Dylan said "you will not die; its not poison!" Em - --- Justalittlebreen@aol.com wrote: > Hi gang, > > With all this talk about the Dan and Joni, I'm surprised no one has > brought up the fact that, just as many people think Joni retired > after Hejira or DJRD or what have you, F&B both continued to make > music, although not much or often -- Fagin's Nightfly (1982?), I > think, is a masterpiece -- they both put out one album apiece in the > early-ish 90's (F's "Kamakiriad" and B's "Eleven Whack s.t." -- has > anybody ever heard either of these? -- they had a rapprochement > during this period and did their first tour since their second or > third SD album, a 20-year gap), and then their last two albums > (together again), Two Against Nature (2000) and Everything Must Go > (2003), were both excellent, eps. the former, which is a masterpiece, > imho. > > Anyhoo, it's clear that the nasty (or at least silly -- memory fades) > comments they made about her in an interview that I remember from > around the time of Gaucho was their usual media-f**k tongue-in-cheek. > Hopefully either they notified her, so she wouldn't be shocked, or > they knew she'd take it as their usual dyspeptic chain-yanking. > > W/r/t Gaucho -- I also don't like Third World Man or Glamour > Profession very much, and like the title cut the best, but Joni's > point is valid -- it was the drubbing they took from the press > (something she can relate to) that made them both take extended > vacations. Also, I think only available on one of their greatest > hits albums or maybe the box set, the full-length version of FM is > great jazz. > > best, > > walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:19:26 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: album poll David, all you have to do is register and sign in, and you can vote every 3 months or something like that. I expect to see T'log rising in the polls! :~) Bob NP: Los Lobos, "Whiskey Trail" david sapp wrote: I guess I'm dense but how do I vote on the album poll? peace, david ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:16:47 -0600 From: Rob & Tracy Subject: Songs of a prairie girl Hey, waaay behind on digests, but just seeing this Songs of a Prairie Girl posts showing up. Has anyone posted that the big rumour is that Joni will be the special surprise guest at the big Saskatchewan Centenial Celebration in May? I haven't really been paying attention to it, because I could care less about the whole thing, and all I know is that this strange group of people with ties to Saskatchewan are coming for this thing - one of them being Leslie Neilson. Joan isn't mentioned, but CBC radio is abuzz with talk of Joni being the big secret special guest. So of course, I am wondering, do I buy tickets to this hokey thing, or not? Now, the thought of a prairie girl cd makes me excited, although I am probably the only one. "Paprika Plains" always just slaps me in the face with "Saskatchewan-ness".... lol, God, we've all been to those summer dances, with the smell of pine sol and beer, and running out to look at the sky.... Sadly, that small-town stuff is almost a thing of the past. The talk of Railway Avenue (don't know if this is only a Maidstone reference, since North Battleford also has a Railway Avenue which I think fits better with the song), the references to Maidstone, the coyote running through the whisker wheat, floating javex bottles, etc.... all of this connection to the province maybe doesn't seem like a big deal, unless you are from here or lived here. While I will probably always consider the mountains that I lived in as a young child as some sort of primal home, there is also no escaping Saskatchewan and the Saskatchewan landscape. Anyway, I'll shut up now, have a great weekend y'all! Rob np: "Stop" - Sam Brown ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:32:18 -0800 From: Rick Subject: Re: Tim Here's a link that credits Tim Considine with the photography on Blue ; http://tinyurl.com/4ezrc After playing the soldier that Patton slapped and Spin on the Mickey Mouse Club serial Spin and Marty (and lots of other roles), Tim became a well-respected photographer with a passion for auto race and other sports: http://tinyurl.com/4rq4e Rick On 3/10/05 9:27 AM, notaro@stpt.usf.edu wrote > At last report, Tim Considine was a high-priced Beverly Hills photographer. > ~ Hal Erickson, All Movie Guide ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #72 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)