From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #66 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, March 5 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 066 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- line obsessed over last night in my sleep [Em ] Portrait of Joni Part 2 on CKUA [Bob Muller ] The Canadian Folk Music Awards are coming! (some Joni content) [Brian Gro] masculinity ["mike pritchard" ] Dylan's book, brief Joni mentions [Randy Remote ] Re: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) ["McMillan Brad" ] RE: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) ["Les Irvin" ] Re: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) ["McMillan Brad" ] Re: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) ["McMillan Brad" ] Re: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) ["McMillan Brad" ] line obsessed over last night in my sleep ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: line obsessed over last night in my sleep "long silk stockings on the bedpost of refinement" (and then of course "you're too raw") but what a phrase! The bedpost of refinement! What the heck is the bedpost of refinement????? Sounds like the name of an early 20th century painting! and then I enjoyed thinking well, ok if "you" is Joni then they are her stockings, blah blah blah...But! if "you" is ol' Ludwig, then he's gettin' him some. Unless he also has long silk stockings - which I guess men were more apt to have back then. Anyway, I just turned that phrase over and over in my head, not sure why; hadn't been listening to that song or anything. Was chewing on it like a dog chews a bone. Was fun I suppose. lol, just thought I'd share. Wish I could have been a fly on the wall while she was writing that song. :) Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 04:21:28 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Portrait of Joni Part 2 on CKUA http://www.ckua.com/ You can listen on the web to this broadcast; it comes on at 9:00 AM Mountain time this Saturday, that's 11:00 AM my time on the East Coast. I enjoyed Part 1, and was a bit surprised that it went all the way from STAS to C&S...most of these sorts of things spend 90% of their time in this period and ignore 90% of 1980 on. The biggest goof on the narrator's part was saying that Joni's marriage to Chuck dissolved between Clouds & LOTC... Bob NP: Badly Drawn Boy, "40 Days, 40 Fights" - --------------------------------- Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:41:29 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: The Canadian Folk Music Awards are coming! (some Joni content) http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/2005/03/04/pf-950143.html March 4, 2005 Canadian folk music awards on tap By FISH GRIWKOWSKY -- Edmonton Sun There are those who complain about the limitations of reality and there are those who change it. This is not to say that there's not always complaining done, but isn't it better when someone gets out of their chair and rolls up their sleeves? Roots music junkie Rod Campbell is clearly in the second category, and it's largely thanks to him and a few dedicated others that Canada will be having its own national folk music awards ceremony next winter. The freshman event is slated for Dec. 3 in Ottawa's Grand Hall, part of the beautiful Museum of Civilization. The idea began independently in the minds of Campbell and Grit Laskin, a heavy hitter in the acoustic guitar-makers' world. The two had both agonized over the way folk music was recognized in this country. "At the Junos," normally jovial Campbell sighs, "folk and traditional music is more like an afterthought. How this all got going is they tried to drop one of the categories, then they moved it from the main day to the (non-televised backup) day. "It got to the point where it was almost embarrassing that we'd take that approach to this music! I mean, think of all the Hall of Famers, or whatever you want to call them. People like Leonard Cohen, Joni Mitchell and Neil Young. They all came through folk and the whole country got recognized for it." One of the reasons Campbell is a good man to have on this project is the existence of his magazine Penguin Eggs, a microscopically thorough look at folk music which runs several editions annually. Produced locally, distributed across North America and by subscription worldwide, it has survived five years in an era of general print stagnation. It, too, was hoisted as a defence for traditional music by the Scottish-born publisher. "I wrote an editorial two years ago that Grit Laskin picked up on. He called me up and said he'd already done a blueprint of how such an event would work a couple years earlier. I was willing to do it myself, but Grit stepped in and said, 'Here's how we do it,' and he was right. He makes these beautiful guitars and he's part of a craft guild that does a lot of work with the Museum of Civilization. "We asked them on board and they were just delighted! They waived a lot of the fees and give us a lot of credibility. That's the reason it's in Ottawa at first. We'd like to do it in Edmonton next year, depending on how it goes, but in two years if not next. Eventually, we'll move it around the country every year." There are 17 categories, variations of best artist, songwriter, instrumentalist and producer variously, some broken down to traditional, contemporary, English, French and aboriginal categories - as well as a nod to emerging artists and a lifetime achievement award. The cutoff dates for eligible recordings will be release dates between Aug. 1, 2004, and one year later, and submission information will be available soon on the non-profit CFMA's under-construction website. Campbell says jurists will come from outside the organizers to avoid any conflicts of interest. "We have to take an arm's length, juried by people not involved in the industry. (CFMA organizer) Bill Garrett, for example, helps run Borealis Records. And we'll have French and aboriginal jurists to help decide those awards. "It's all going to be quite substantial." Remember this lesson, people: If you don't like the way something works, build something better. Hats off to the CFMAs. Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:38:29 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: masculinity Here I am again with more details about my request for help with 'sexist lyrics'. Actually the thesis is about masculinity (in all its aspects) and how it is represented in popular song. The 'men killing women in song' paper I wrote a couple of years ago will be part of this but the thesis is much wider in scope than 'only' violence against women. I am especially interested in how masculinity is transmitted from generation to generation; how it is reinforced in (as bell hooks would say) 'imperialist, white-supremacist capitalist patriarchy' and the effect of peer pressure, especially in single sex groups (i.e. think rugby clubs, army, etc). There are many songs which give insights into these processes and to mention just three off the top of my head there would be the Four Seasons' 'Walk Like A Man', Springsteen's 'River'...they bring you up to do, like your daddy done, and Kenny Rogers' Coward of the County' - 'sometimes you have to fight when you're a man'. There are many songs which deal with 'resistance' to representation, 'Goodbye Earl' comes to mind here although it is not exactly what I was thinking of here. Any references to popular songs (define this as you will) would help me immensely and any suggestions of academic or popular writing on this topic would be welcome too. I have not marked this NJC as there are obviously some joni songs which are relevant here, not to blame, especially. Thanks in advance, mike in barcelona NP - Nebraska outtakes -Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:57:55 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Dylan's book, brief Joni mentions Em wrote: > Hi Mike, I'm pretty sure I've heard an alternate version of at least > Tangled Up In Blue. Not sure if it was a studio outtake though, or > simply a concert version. There is a wonderful studio alternate version of TUIB on one of the Columbia "bootleg series" releases. Speaking of Dylan, I just finished his book "Chronicles Volume One"- and found it completely fascinating from stem to stern. Each of the five chapters focuses on a specific period of his life, the first and last being his pre-fame days in NYC. Also a chapter on the making of "Oh Mercy" with Daniel Lanois in New Orleans, and another about '68 and his horror with his own fame. He seems to remember every detail, what was in the papers, who had a song on the charts, people's names...very well written, easy to read, a unique voice, kind of a strange man.... The very brief Joni mentions: page101: It's funny how things stick with you. About ten years later ['70?] I was having dinner at Johnny Cash's house outside of Nashville. There were a lot of songwriters there. Joni Mitchell, Graham Nash, Harlan Howard, Kris Kristofferson, Mickey Newberry and some others. Joe and Janette Carter were also there. Joe and Janette were the son and daughter of A.P. and Sarah Carter and cousins to June Carter, Johnny's wife. They were like the royalty of country music. Johnny's big fireplace was blazing and crackling. After dinner, everybody sat around in the rustic living room with high wooden beams and wide plate-glass windows that over-looked a lake. We sat in a circle and each songwriter would play a song and pass the guitar to the next player. Usually, there'd be comments made like "You really nailed that one." Or "Yeah, man, you said it all in them few lines." Or maybe something like "That song's got a lot of history in it." Or "You put all yourself into that tune." Mostly just complimentary stuff. I played "Lay, Lady, Lay" and then I passed the guitar to Graham Nash, anticipating some kind of response. I didn't have to wait long. "You don't eat pork, do you?" Joe Carter asked. That was his comment. I waited for a second before replying. "Uh, no sir, I don't," I said back. Kristofferson almost swallowed his fork. Joe asked, "Why not?" It's then that I remembered what Malcolm X had said. "Well, sir, it's kind of a personal thing. I don't eat that stuff, no. I don'teat something that's one third rat, one third cat and one third dog. It just doesn't taste right." There was an awkward momentary silence that you could have cut with one of the knives off the dinner table. Johnny Cash then almost doubled over. Kristofferson just shook his head. Joe Carter was quite a character. page 254: (he's talking about Joan Baez, who was "the Queen of the Folksingers", and only had one album out at the time: There was no one like her. It would be a few years before Judy Collins or Joni Mitchell would come on the scene. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:13:34 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) Uh, hate to break it to you, but Chuck died of liver disease a few years back. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "." Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:32 PM Subject: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) > Dear Joni Friends, > > When I saw the name "Chuck Mitchell" on the list of registrants for > last week's Folk Alliance conference in Montreal, I thought "Could it be?" > I'd seen Joni's ex in Atlanta in the 70's and wondered if it could be the > same. Well, it was. I went to a showcase he did, and thought I recognised > him, but the fact that his second song was The Circle Game was a dead > giveaway. :) > > He is a very interesting performer, weaving poetry and spoken word > pieces into the songs, which he often runs together. I was really > impressed with how good he was. > > He's a very affable fellow. We chatted afterwards, and discussed the > possibility of him coming out (from Iowa) to play the concert series. > Stay tuned. > > I loved Montreal, BTW. > > *************************************************** > Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@comcast.net > "The Tinker's Own" www.tinkersown.com > "The Living Tradition Concert Series" www.thelivingtradition.org > "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:44:25 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) > Uh, hate to break it to you, but Chuck died of liver disease > a few years back. Hmmmm... I believe he's alive and well and living in or near Iowa. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:48:50 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) > Uh, hate to break it to you, but Chuck died of liver disease > a few years back. You are thinking of another Chuck Mitchell: "Mitchell Johnus Geran, better know to music fans as "Chuck Mitchell", died Monday, January 20, 2003 at his home near Baton Rouge at age 61." http://www.nothinbutdablues.com/BluesNews/2003/Page11.html#Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:55:33 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) I googled Chuck Mitchell a while back, got a reference to "Mr. Joni Mitchell" and a bio with a pic from a movie he was in in the 70's and the comment that he had died a few years ago of liver disease. There was also mention of long term alcoholism, etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Z To: McMillan Brad Cc: tinkersown@comcast.net ; . Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: Re: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) Are you sure you're not confusing two Chuck Mitchells? See this link: http://www.porkysmovies.com/cast/porky.html Best regards, Gary McMillan Brad wrote: Uh, hate to break it to you, but Chuck died of liver disease a few years back. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "." Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:32 PM Subject: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) Dear Joni Friends, When I saw the name "Chuck Mitchell" on the list of registrants for last week's Folk Alliance conference in Montreal, I thought "Could it be?" I'd seen Joni's ex in Atlanta in the 70's and wondered if it could be the same. Well, it was. I went to a showcase he did, and thought I recognised him, but the fact that his second song was The Circle Game was a dead giveaway. :) He is a very interesting performer, weaving poetry and spoken word pieces into the songs, which he often runs together. I was really impressed with how good he was. He's a very affable fellow. We chatted afterwards, and discussed the possibility of him coming out (from Iowa) to play the concert series. Stay tuned. I loved Montreal, BTW. *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@comcast.net "The Tinker's Own" www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" www.thelivingtradition.org "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:49:26 -0500 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) Are you sure you're not confusing two Chuck Mitchells? See this link: http://www.porkysmovies.com/cast/porky.html Best regards, Gary McMillan Brad wrote: >Uh, hate to break it to you, but Chuck died of liver disease a few years >back. >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "." >Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:32 PM >Subject: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) > > > > >>Dear Joni Friends, >> >>When I saw the name "Chuck Mitchell" on the list of registrants for >>last week's Folk Alliance conference in Montreal, I thought "Could it be?" >>I'd seen Joni's ex in Atlanta in the 70's and wondered if it could be the >>same. Well, it was. I went to a showcase he did, and thought I recognised >>him, but the fact that his second song was The Circle Game was a dead >>giveaway. :) >> >>He is a very interesting performer, weaving poetry and spoken word >>pieces into the songs, which he often runs together. I was really >>impressed with how good he was. >> >>He's a very affable fellow. We chatted afterwards, and discussed the >>possibility of him coming out (from Iowa) to play the concert series. >>Stay tuned. >> >>I loved Montreal, BTW. >> >>*************************************************** >>Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@comcast.net >>"The Tinker's Own" www.tinkersown.com >>"The Living Tradition Concert Series" www.thelivingtradition.org >>"Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:56:50 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) I just looked at your link. The first thing it says is that he died of cirrhosis of the liver in 1992. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Z To: McMillan Brad Cc: tinkersown@comcast.net ; . Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 3:49 PM Subject: Re: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) Are you sure you're not confusing two Chuck Mitchells? See this link: http://www.porkysmovies.com/cast/porky.html Best regards, Gary McMillan Brad wrote: Uh, hate to break it to you, but Chuck died of liver disease a few years back. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "." Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:32 PM Subject: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) Dear Joni Friends, When I saw the name "Chuck Mitchell" on the list of registrants for last week's Folk Alliance conference in Montreal, I thought "Could it be?" I'd seen Joni's ex in Atlanta in the 70's and wondered if it could be the same. Well, it was. I went to a showcase he did, and thought I recognised him, but the fact that his second song was The Circle Game was a dead giveaway. :) He is a very interesting performer, weaving poetry and spoken word pieces into the songs, which he often runs together. I was really impressed with how good he was. He's a very affable fellow. We chatted afterwards, and discussed the possibility of him coming out (from Iowa) to play the concert series. Stay tuned. I loved Montreal, BTW. *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@comcast.net "The Tinker's Own" www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" www.thelivingtradition.org "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 21:09:42 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Joni Mitchell Obsessive Compulsive Disorder Greetings, Oddmund! You have a bad habit of quoting Joni? My, what a curious problem, and how funny that you should end up HERE! You are in the right place: the JMOCDSG (Joni Mitchell Obsessive Compulsive Disorder Support Group) (that's for you, Catherine dear!), more popularly known as the JMDL. I am similarly afflicted  I cant seem to have a conversation with friends or family without quoting Joni, and lately it is even spilling over into my work life. Example: one day my department head asked me how many Spanish majors we currently have (I work in a university) . I answered: Fifty-seven, and you know there may be more, as I smiled mischievously and winked. David knows me well and reads me like a book, so he said: Yeah, well? Whats so funny about that? I answered: Thats a line from a Joni Mitchell song. He smiled, humoring me, and joked: Well? Are you going to sing it? I said: Nah, you wouldnt get it. (Poor David. He is a great guy, but he just doesnt get Joni...he wont even try. Im workin on him though, believe me! Someday.....) JMOCD has, to my knowledge, no cure. I imagine that it is treatable by staying off of this list and stopping listening to her music, but that is hard to do when there are so many covers out there. Shes out there more than you think -- I know *** I *** see something of Joni EVERYWHERE just at this moment of the world (not that Im obsessed or anything -- it's just that I live in flip city, shooby doo bop!). If you ever need a quick fix or help with an exact quote, its just a click away at: http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/index.cfm (bookmark it now!). Its a warm arrangement. So, welcome new friend from Norway.....I hope you have a wonderful time here! (speaking of having a wonderful time -- Emiliano!!! Where ARE you? I need your confidence baby, and the gift of your extra time.) My ever-lovin' best to you all, (as in: "So here's to you May your skies be blue And your love blessed That's my best to you"), Patti P.S. And your question about love and quoting Joni? Wow. The age-old question remains unanswered: is it better to have loved and lost (with Joni), or never to have loved (with Joni) at all? In my experience, quoting Joni while in love is a very dangerous fuel on the fire kind of thing. Especially when you BOTH do it. It is a powerful additive to hot hot blazes because, as you know, love can already be sooooooooooooo sweeeeeeet on its own (what with those deep kisses and the sun going down and all). But THEN, when you realize it was all probably (?) just pretty lies and it all comes down in smoke and ash, it makes the end MUCH harder to bear because it was so intense. When youve gone and lost the best baby you ever had, the medicine that was love turns to poison and it runs underneath your skin and all through your circuits like a heartbeat and you wind up cracking and your whole life goes dismal. (But dont worry about me  Ill be fine. Ill take a lesson in survival and let the wind carry me back to court and spark and solid love.) Bon weekend, everyone! Pardon my Friday afternoon punch drunk silliness....I'll re-read this Monday and wonder what the #%* was I thinking, to post such inanities! Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:02:10 +0100 (CET) From: Oddmund Kaarevik <1. okaarevik@yahoo.no> Subject: A question about love As I said on the list the other day I have developed this (bad) habit of quoting Joni at all times. Especially when I like someone, when I am in love, I quote her, then often to state the unsucessfulnes of my love-project. So I was wondering does loving Jonis music lead to less luck in love? Anyway I always end of by quoting "Don't give yourself away" for myself. My love-life would surely be much more succesful listening to easy happy-go lucky Britney Spears / Justin music. Then I would just conqueer both the dance-floor and the rest of world as well. Or listening to Madonna. Yeah! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:19:23 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) Mr. Joni Mitchell died of cirrhosis of the liver in 1992. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Irvin" To: Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: RE: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) > > Uh, hate to break it to you, but Chuck died of liver disease > > a few years back. > > You are thinking of another Chuck Mitchell: > > "Mitchell Johnus Geran, better know to music fans as "Chuck Mitchell", died > Monday, January 20, 2003 at his home near Baton Rouge at age 61." > > http://www.nothinbutdablues.com/BluesNews/2003/Page11.html#Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:25:13 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) > Mr. Joni Mitchell died of cirrhosis of the liver in 1992. If you are referring to this link... http://www.geocities.com/cinemorgue2/chuckmitchell.html ...they are just plain wrong about the "Mr. Joni Mitchell" thing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:37:23 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) Les; I saw that site, but also another one that reported the same thing. I suppose they both could be wrong. Anybody else have any info on this issue? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Irvin" To: Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 4:25 PM Subject: RE: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) > > Mr. Joni Mitchell died of cirrhosis of the liver in 1992. > > If you are referring to this link... > > http://www.geocities.com/cinemorgue2/chuckmitchell.html > > ...they are just plain wrong about the "Mr. Joni Mitchell" thing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:54:43 -0000 From: "Ric Robinson" Subject: Yr Awr "Hyn O Fyd" - BSN in Welsh I now have this as an MP3, but it's a largeish file (8MB). If any of you want a copy I'll email it to you. Have fun, Ric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:12:23 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) This is one of the things Chuck Mitchell is up to: http://www.fosterandtwain.us/index2.html - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Les Irvin Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 4:25 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Chuck Mitchell (Peripheral JC) > Mr. Joni Mitchell died of cirrhosis of the liver in 1992. If you are referring to this link... http://www.geocities.com/cinemorgue2/chuckmitchell.html ...they are just plain wrong about the "Mr. Joni Mitchell" thing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 18:38:48 EST From: Allmanfan54@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #102 I don't get it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:54:47 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #102 Allmanfan54@aol.com wrote: > I don't get it. What? The digest? Mark E. in Seattle? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 02:19:59 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: line obsessed over last night in my sleep Joni said, >>long silk stockings on the bedpost of refinement>> Em, You're off your game. Ordinarily you'd nail this within an hour. Are you sleep deprived? Anyway, here's my take on this line. There were "prescribed standards" (ha! extra points!) for society folks in Ludwig's day. Like Jackson Pollock, he was a bit of a social oddity. When Joni wrote the song, brass beds were old-fashioned, not yet retro. The rigid framework of Ludwig's day (refinement) is made tangible and visible as a bedpost. (Only Joni Mitchell would have the chutzpah to write "bedposts of refinement". Only Joni Mitchell, having tried to sing Annie Ross' "Cloudburst", would have the verbal aptitude to sing those syllables, stay in pitch, and make the meter work. Her muse, Sadie, was with her that day.) Ludwig's casualness and comfort (stockings) clashed with the norms (decorum of the bedpost). Would "long silk stockings" roughly translate as "full-length pajamas"? Are there any history buffs reading the JMDL this week? Maybe Ludwig had an indiscrete "thing" going with a lady other than his wife, so her "silk stockings" represent a mis-step. Can you help me out now? In "Blue", is the "ink on a pin /underneath the skin" a clever foreshadowing of an artist shooting (needles) or just an accident? It's too bad you got "here" after Julie Z. Webb, and Kakki left. They were really good at this stuff. Maybe Jenny or Muller will jump in here. They love the literary angles too. All the best, Lama PS, Did Martha Stewart's 15 minutes of fame get reset this week? Em said, >what a phrase! The bedpost of refinement! What the heck is the bedpost of refinement????? Sounds like the name of an early 20th century painting! and then I enjoyed thinking well, ok if "you" is Joni then they are her stockings, blah blah blah...But! if "you" is ol' Ludwig, then he's gettin' him some. Unless he also has long silk stockings - which I guess men were more apt to have back then. Anyway, I just turned that phrase over and over in my head, not sure why; hadn't been listening to that song or anything. Was chewing on it like a dog chews a bone.> ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #66 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)