From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #61 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, February 28 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 061 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni and Neil [Bobsart48@aol.com] A question about love [Oddmund Kaarevik ] Re: academy award party =?ISO-8859-1?B?oG5qYw==?= [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #94 Re: Gimme a Song [Chorando6@aol.com] Sondre ["David Henderson" ] Anybody remember an interview with Fagin and Becker...?/Also BB and JM parallels [Justalittlebree] Re: gimme a song [rsc1@humboldt.edu] Re: Does anyone have? Joni @ N.O. Jazz Festival May 6, 1995 [Michael Pa] Re: Gimme a song [Michael Paz ] Re: Two Grey Rooms [Michael Paz ] Re: no piano songs [Michael Paz ] Re: Two Grey Rooms now NRH ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Anybody remember an interview with Fagin and Becker...?/Also BB and JM parallels [Bob Muller ] RE: Does anyone have? Joni @ N.O. Jazz Festival May 6, 1995 ["Richard F] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 09:17:20 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Neil Matt Mc in Sunny Mississippi wrote: "Neil Young is my favorite, but I'm "branching out" and discovering other great artists." Good idea in this case. I suspect that Joni was one of Neil's favorites, too. For evidence, I point you to the Neil Young classic "Sweet Joni From Saskatoon". If you can take a good punch, that is. Joni attests that her "The Circle Game" was a reply to Neil's "Sugar Mountain", and acknowledges a certain similarity in the Canadian prairie- influenced stridency of their melodies. Another moment (at least, this is how my imagination interprets it) is the little triangle in The Last Waltz, where I get the sense that Neil is trying to get Joni's attention (again ?) but she's got her eye on Robbie Robertson. Anyone else get that feeling ? Earlier, Matt offered "I have a decent amount of (mostly Neil Young) stuff to trade if anyone has this show to trade, please let me know. I'd also be interested in any Joni VCD's, if they are out there." Trade or no trade, there is quite a fair amount of Joni video kicking around on this list, shared among most of us one way or the other. Available commercially on DVD - in addition to PWWAM - are the truly classic "Shadows and Light" concert video (one of the great works of art - and from 1979 yet), Refuge of the Road (almost 1/2 as good, thus well worth seeing) and the American Masters biography/tribute "JM - Woman of Heart and Mind" in case you're interested in her story well told - with quite a bit of musical content - in 90 minutes. The other stuff includes (but is not limited to), in chronological order: 1965-66 A tape of Joni at some Canadian hootenanny shows "Let's Sing Out" 1970 The Pink Dress concert from the BBC (she was really something back then": 1975 A chunk of a Joni concert at the Victoria Theatre in London (BBC 'Whistle Test') 1995 A "Live and Interactive" show with Joni playing for a small CBC audience There are also tape trees of Joni TV appearances, etc. and more, too. Someone can help you with that (I'm not your technical man). Bob Sartorius ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:02:10 +0100 (CET) From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: A question about love As I said on the list the other day I have developed this (bad) habit of quoting Joni at all times. Especially when I like someone, when I am in love, I quote her, then often to state the unsucessfulnes of my love-project. So I was wondering does loving Jonis music lead to less luck in love? Anyway I always end of by quoting "Don't give yourself away" for myself. My love-life would surely be much more succesful listening to easy happy-go lucky Britney Spears / Justin music. Then I would just conqueer both the dance-floor and the rest of world as well. Or listening to Madonna. Yeah! But then again, would I be happy? Superficiality is seldom good comfort at the end of the day . As Joni put it about her fellow musician Madonna, "Okay she has been in the business, suceeded, but at what costs..." (not correctly quoted) So, any suggestions/solutions? Maybe Joni has the answer again. Like the fab. Mike Leigh movie: "Career girls," where the girls at all times confered with "Wuthering heights": "Oh ,Brvnte, Brvnte, how will my love life be...?" Oh, Joni, gimme your answering song Yours Oddmund /Norway NB:Marvin Gaye, God is love ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:05:36 -0500 From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: academy award party =?ISO-8859-1?B?oG5qYw==?= Hi Marianne and hi Bree: Tell you what I'm gonna do: - -First, this morning, I'm reading the New York Times Magazine; they've done a fab job with a long photo essay on actors from the best films of the year...and Eastwood is on the cover, who I'm increasingly convinced is the genius director of our time, on par with Kubrick, Scorcese and Welles. What a trifecta: Unforgiven...Mystic River...and now my favorite of the year...Million Dollar Baby. Hillary Swank has kinda bumped Renee Zellweger from my lofty "cinematic darling" perch...but I don't hand out a statuette for achieving that. - -Then, this afternoon, time permitting, I'm going to watch "Collateral" on DVD. Jamie Foxx is nominated for that along with his nom for "Ray," and I'm curious as to what he's done in the lessor talked about flick...could he walk away with two? Nah! Not a snowball's chance, do you think? - -I should probably eat at some point. Let's do Chinese...no Thai, with lots of extra peanut sauce and plenty of noodles. And I'm thinking top shelf margaritas, with Gran Marnier instead of triple sec and I'm gonna squeeze some fresh lime juice from the ones I got at the farmer's market yesterday...and I've got some tequila in the back of the liquor cabinet that's older than Don Quixote...let's break the seal on that bad boy, shall we? Uh huh. I knew you were gonna say that. (I should mention that I've still gotta get Gail to sign off on all this...and she does reserve line item veto authority over even my best laid Academy Award party plans :-) - -And while we're sipping and munching, we'll of course endure the incessant drone of the pre-game show blah, blah, blahing about who's wearing whom, and there will be world-class brown-nosing of the movie stars by the starmaker machinist sychophants with microphones in their fists. And the magic carpet ride. I just love the popular culture spectacle of it all. What do you suppose they had in ancient Rome that would be the equivalent of this? Hmmmm... - -Then I'll watch the show and will try to keep an open mind as one who thinks that Chris Rock is quite unfunny and rather unpleasantly loud. But like I said...I'm keeping an open mind. I want Morgan to win, I want Hilary to win, I want that "Weeping Camel" documentary to win, I want "Ray" to win...I wish "Sideways" was nominated. I want "Million..." to win for lighting and editing, which were incredible in that movie...and I want it to win for Screenplay, too, because it was finally a movie about poor people in America with dignity and honor. Nuf said. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:49:32 EST From: Chorando6@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #94 Re: Gimme a Song The only sensible way to pick your joni track is to get a bowler hat and cut up strips of paper into as many pieces as there are joni songs, writing one song on each piece of paper. Put them all into the hat and then nip out to your nearest neighbor and ask them to pick the song. If your not happy with doing it that way then you can get as many people as you have songs to pick one out until you are left with one song in the hat and that will be the song you put on the compilation. If you don't have as many friends as there are joni songs then you can positon yourself on the concourse of your nearest railway station at rush hour or if you live in the country, sit down in the busiest field and wait for the sheep to get interested, or the cows, or the horses...or the farm hands....or the farmer....or the pigs and chickens. If that doesnt appeal you could number your albums then number the songs on each album then call your friend and ask him to pick a number between 1 and however many joni cds you have, and then pick a number between one and the number of songs on that cd. And that way he would have chosen the joni song himself...Sorted. Clive xx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:56:50 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: Sondre DAVID MARINE WROTE: >Norway is the home of the gorgeously brilliant Sondre Lerche. His >musicianship is extraordinary, dazzling, and has been growing by leaps >and bounds over the last two years. And he is only 21 years old!!! >There is no musician working today who is more exciting and worthwhile >than Sondre. I have seen him live twice here in Los Angeles and both >times he took my breath away. He's the real thing. Check him out at >www.sondrelerche.com. I could not have said it better myself. Dead Passengers (brilliant, the album version), You Know So Well, All Luck Ran Out (love the steel guitar sound), this guy's f***ing cool. He reminds me of another fave, Aimee Mann - he's like her fun, extroverted brother. I have not seen him live, but I'm going when he comes here in NYC in April. I think he's about to go to Italy, England and Ireland before the States. Do you know how to say his name? David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:06:37 EST From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: Anybody remember an interview with Fagin and Becker...?/Also BB and JM parallels Hi, gang, I'm pleased to learn the the boys from Steely Dan picked a Joni favorite for the Starbuck's comp. I seem to remember an interview, possibly from Rolling Stone (and these boys are/were infamous for being as perverse/non-communicative about their own music and their opinions about others') in which they made painfully (to me) snide remarks about Joni's foray into jazz -- I think it may have been around Aja/Gaucho and Hissing/Heijira/DJRD. Since I so love their mix of jazz and blues and funk and anything else on the table, I thought back then that they and Joni ought to belong to a mutual admiration society -- I *do* seem to remember that Joni had some pretty nice things to say about *them*, at least at one point. Fagin and Becker have also been quoted as admiring Bacharach's work, esp. "In Between the Heartaches", one of the more astonishing he ever wrote (with Hal David's equally astonishing lyrics, of course); the fadeout has one of the most complex time signatures and use of triplets, and I think, even a quintuplet, over an extended measure (although the published version, which I no longer have, simplified this, I always thought the simplified version was wrong -- the real thing would have given most non-professional musicians an aneurism, like the fade out to "Car on a Hill"). Another of the many paralleles between BB and JM is the use of an extended (5/4) measure very near the beginning of a song, not necessarily to throw people off, but because it fits the lyrics. "Facelift" does this -- drove me crazy 'til I finally got the sheet music -- and a very little known song called "Don't Say I Didn't Tell You So" by Bacharach/David and sung by Dionne, starts with an otherworldly cha-cha rhythm, onto to stick on a 5/4 in the first sung measure!! Finally: Is Joni's semi-promise to someday put out a Christmas album a foregone conclusion? Rhino got Michael Franks to do one (all his own compositions, I believe) and Carly also. If Joni was pleased with Dreamland, maybe *they* could get her to record it? Random thoughts, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:08:40 -0800 (PST) From: rsc1@humboldt.edu Subject: Re: gimme a song something early, I'd pick: Tin Angel (oh so dark and beautiful) something later, I say: Edith and the Kingpin (moody, mysterious, dangling) good luck with the compilation! Russ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:43:17 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Does anyone have? Joni @ N.O. Jazz Festival May 6, 1995 FAR be it for me to correct the master of all Joni info, but this is a little bit wrong. The ONLY reason I know this is because of my extensive queerness for the VG-8 AND the Parker Concert Fly guitar. She DID NOT use the Parker at Jazz Fest. She used a modified Strat with a GK-2A pick up on it. She stayed up all night in a hotel in New Orleans with Gary programming those crazy patches that she used for that show. BTW there is a remastered version of that show done by our own MarkD that sounds a lot better than other versions I have heard. Also at that point TCCOL was still called Loves Cries. Best Paz NP-Loves Cries-Joni from Jazz Fest > Matt Mc wrote: > > JONI MITCHELL: NEW ORLEANS JAZZ AND HERITAGE FESTIVAL > MAY 6, 1995> > > Howdy Matt - I've got it, it's a great show and actually quite a landmark show > in Joni history as she was ready to call it quits when she got the combination > of the Parker Fly electric and the VG8 that remembers all her tunings. She > played this gig with the notion that if it worked for her she'd continue on. > > I particularly like the "Sex Kills" in her set; she uses the fuzztone setting > on the VG8 and gives it a real snarling angry sound. > > The full setlist: > > 1. Sex Kills > > 2. Moon At The Window > > 3. Magdalene Laundries > > 4. Refuge of the Roads > > 5. Night Ride Home > > 6. Crazy Cries of Love > > 7. Yvette in English > > 8. Just Like This Train > > 9. Three Great Stimulants > > 10. Amelia > > 11. Hejira > > 12. Happiness is the Best Facelift > 13. Song For Sharon > > > Bob > NP: Randy Newman, "Sail Away" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:11:42 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Gimme a song Garret You have a REAL problem there! You could just send everything. In lieu of that I would send Down To You, Same Situation, Cold Blue Steel, Two Grey Rooms, Chinese Cafi, Song For Sharon, Hejira, Let The Wind Carry Me, For The Roses....... Paz (not VERY helpful huh???) > I have been struggling to come up with a compilation cd to send to a friend. > I > want to put one joni track on it. I have spent nearly two months trying to > decide which one. It is hard. > I was thinking Carey, Cold Blue Steel, Rainy night House, harry's house, dry > cleaner or turbulent indigo. > > Throw me a line people, i'm not decisive enough to do this on my own (i have > included thigns like Nin aSimone, Janis Joplin, Death Cab for cutie, gillian > Welchj, television, susana baca but can't pick a joni track). > he likes things that are a little downbeat to be honest, sombre, doom-laden > music appeals to him. > we all know that joni specialises in those "portraits of disapppintment" not > sure if she is doom-laden. so what one song would you give to a music fan > that > doesn't know the music of joni mitchell? eh? > GARRET > > np - Rufus Wainwright, Cigarettes and chocolate milk (even the rufus bashers > have to like this one. don't they?) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:24:53 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms PLEASE stop stalking me! Boy and you have a thing for those back ground whooooo oooo oooo oooo things don't you?? Paz NP-Banquet-Red Rocks '83 > In a message dated 2/26/2005 12:26:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, > rflynn@frontiernet.net writes: > >> Why does everybody like this song? It is so overblown &way too "pop" for my >> tastes. I don't hate it, but it doesn't do too much for me. >> >> > > I personally love Two Grey Rooms for a few reasons. > I like the story behind the song, and there was one time long ago I felt like > the character behind the song.........staring out the window just to look for > this person. > I also like when Joni plays the piano. > I love the harmony when Joni sings "with a vieeeeewww". I get chills down my > spine. > > I don't find the song "pop" at all. Sure, the lyrics aren't as deep as a lot > of her songs, yet I don't find it to be a "pop" song. It's a pleasantly sad > song to me (if that makes any sense), and the way Joni starts NRH with such a > fun song "NRH", and ends the album with "Two Grey Rooms" is brilliant. NRH is > in my top 3 Joni albums. > > Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 17:20:26 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: no piano songs We could have an old fashioned "sit-in" outside her home.. Of course let's wait till the mud stops moving around out there. Paz > David Henderson wrote: >>> From: "McMillan Brad" >>> Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity >> >>> You talkin' Joni piano songs? I love River, For Free and Richard. >>> What's wrong with those? >>> - ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" >>> To: "JMDL" >>> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 12:31 AM >>> Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity >>> NO MORE PIANO SONGS! THANK GOD WE'VE BEEN DELIVERED FROM THOSE! >> >> Yeah, Lama, what's up with that? You don't like any of Joni's piano >> songs? I think some are tops: Court & Spark, Richard, Chinese Cafe >> and Two Grey Rooms. >> >> David > > I think Lama needed a sarcasm emoticon for this post. The original idea, I > believe, was to use > reverse psychology on Joni in the hope that she would produce new material. > Not just new material, > but material done in particular ways that people here would like to see her > re-visit. > > I say don't hold your breath, people. I don't think Ms. Joan can be > manipulated so easily. > > Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 12:29:30 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms now NRH We had a fun gig last night playing at our favorite mountain hideaway roadhouse joint where sometimes people like to dance (to folk songs?)... the crowd was in a dancing mood after one of my music partners played a mellow rocker & I was at a loss for how to follow that & still please the crowd but was inspired to try 'night ride home'... people dancing to a Joni Mitchell song! The best two worlds colliding! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 16:41:46 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Anybody remember an interview with Fagin and Becker...?/Also BB and JM parallels Justalittlebreen@aol.com wrote: One would certainly think so, but since she's become "Our Lady Of Endless Compilation & Recycling" you can't count it out. She's become one those pain-in-the-butt retirees who keeps coming back into the office and hanging out after retirement. Shoot, Joni, if you hate the business so much, why keep feeding it with more recycled product? Doesn't make any sense to me. Bob NP: Albert King, "Won't Be Hanging Around" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:13:23 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni and Neil Bob >Another moment (at least, this is how my imagination interprets it) is the little triangle in The Last Waltz, where I get the sense that Neil is trying to get Joni's attention (again ?) but she's got her eye on Robbie Robertson. Anyone else get that feeling ? < LOL ... I can't imagine anyone NOT having their eyes on Robbie R so I am sure you are right about Joni... I fell head over heels for him when I first saw that movie... & Neil, as much as I love his music, was out of control weird (too much blow no doubt) in that movie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 21:33:45 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Does anyone have? Joni @ N.O. Jazz Festival May 6, 1995 Yes I have the Mark D version. Mark offered it to us all awhile back here on the list via ftp or, I think, mail trade. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Michael Paz Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:43 PM To: Bob Muller; Matt Mc Cc: Joni Digest Subject: Re: Does anyone have? Joni @ N.O. Jazz Festival May 6, 1995 FAR be it for me to correct the master of all Joni info, but this is a little bit wrong. The ONLY reason I know this is because of my extensive queerness for the VG-8 AND the Parker Concert Fly guitar. She DID NOT use the Parker at Jazz Fest. She used a modified Strat with a GK-2A pick up on it. She stayed up all night in a hotel in New Orleans with Gary programming those crazy patches that she used for that show. BTW there is a remastered version of that show done by our own MarkD that sounds a lot better than other versions I have heard. Also at that point TCCOL was still called Loves Cries. Best Paz NP-Loves Cries-Joni from Jazz Fest > Matt Mc wrote: > > JONI MITCHELL: NEW ORLEANS JAZZ AND HERITAGE FESTIVAL > MAY 6, 1995> > > Howdy Matt - I've got it, it's a great show and actually quite a landmark show > in Joni history as she was ready to call it quits when she got the combination > of the Parker Fly electric and the VG8 that remembers all her tunings. She > played this gig with the notion that if it worked for her she'd continue on. > > I particularly like the "Sex Kills" in her set; she uses the fuzztone setting > on the VG8 and gives it a real snarling angry sound. > > The full setlist: > > 1. Sex Kills > > 2. Moon At The Window > > 3. Magdalene Laundries > > 4. Refuge of the Roads > > 5. Night Ride Home > > 6. Crazy Cries of Love > > 7. Yvette in English > > 8. Just Like This Train > > 9. Three Great Stimulants > > 10. Amelia > > 11. Hejira > > 12. Happiness is the Best Facelift > 13. Song For Sharon > > > Bob > NP: Randy Newman, "Sail Away" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #61 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)