From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #58 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, February 25 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 058 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Starbucks now sjc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's unpopularity [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: Joni's unpopularity [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni's unpopularity ["Steven Polifka" ] Re: Joni's unpopularity [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni's unpopularity ["Steven Polifka" ] Re: Joni's unpopularity [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni's unpopularity [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni's unpopularity [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: Joni's unpopularity ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni's unpopularity ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni's unpopularity [Jerry Notaro ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #56 [John Sprackland ] Re: Joni's unpopularity [Em ] Re: Joni's unpopularity [Em ] Re: Joni's unpopularity ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] Re: Joni's unpopularity [Em ] Re: 'Joni Mitchell, music that matters to her' [Randy Remote ] Re: 'Joni Mitchell, music that matters to her' ["McMillan Brad" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #56 [Michael Paz ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #56 [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni Mitchell, music that matters to her ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Joni's unpopularity ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Prairie Girl or whatever [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: Joni's Artist's Choice [BRYAN8847@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:14:39 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Starbucks now sjc --- Richard Flynn wrote: > OK--Hope I don't have to hand in my leftist > credentials, but the only decent > coffee one can get in my supermarket is Starbuck's > coffee--and since we > don't have a Starbucks proper, I make it, every > morning, and the other stuff > I can get here is crap. > > I know it's no excuse, but when it comes to > luxuries--good coffee is a must > for me. I think I'll concur with Muller about having to have some kind balance in these things. I've done the California grapes boycott during the Cesar Chavez/ United Farmworkers era; South African fruit to protest apartheid and probably a few others. I haven't particularly chosen to boycott Starbucks. While there is one close to both my workplace and my home, it's not quite close enough that I would pick up a coffee on my way to work, when there are others to choose from. I have been there a few times and their coffee is OK, but it's not the great stuff everyone makes it out to be. I'm still in search of the perfect cup of coffee. Just about everything we buy probably exploits someone somewhere. On the other hand, it gives them a job and a paycheque of sorts. > That said, I don't know what possessed me to buy the > Joni CDs when I visited > the big city Starbucks in Savannah--I mean, why > encourage her to keep > recycling? At least the Artist's Choice one > provides a novel Joni listening > experience--and you gotta admiore her chutzpah > putting one of her own songs > on there. I will probably get the Artist's Choice one, but I doubt I'll get the other, since I already have all that stuff, several times over. > Secondarily, I've read Klein's (Naomi, not Larry) > NOLOGO, and while it is > eye-opening in many of its particulars--I don't find > its analysis terribly > nuanced. But it does give one something to think > about. > Haven't read it yet but will soon. I suspect she's kind of a Michael Moore type that makes a number of good points, but has an agenda of her own, so you do have to read between the lines. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:31:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity Hmmm this must be what she was talking about when she mentioned 'next release' during the Honorary Doctorate Round Table Discussion. She was talking about re-mastering Paprika Plains for 'the next release' to retune the piano to fit the strings. And the title would fit the inclusion of Paprika Plains... and hmmm lemme guess Cherokee Louise Song for Sharon Urge For Going Amelia (again?) Harlem In Havana Interestingly, amazon.co.uk haven't listed it as import yet it's a Rhino release. Much Joni Jamie Zoob --- Bob Muller wrote: > Mark or Travis wrote: > that's worth.> > > Looks like it's worth $35.99...or maybe better to > say it's selling for $35.99. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:05:41 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity > Hmmm > > this must be what she was talking about when she > mentioned 'next release' during the Honorary Doctorate > Round Table Discussion. She was talking about > re-mastering Paprika Plains for 'the next release' to > retune the piano to fit the strings. And the title > would fit the inclusion of Paprika Plains... and hmmm > lemme guess > > Cherokee Louise > Song for Sharon > Urge For Going > Amelia (again?) > Harlem In Havana > > Interestingly, amazon.co.uk haven't listed it as > import yet it's a Rhino release. And the USA Amazon site does label it an import. Very strange. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:26:35 -0600 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity Maybe Joni is cranking these things out, but what about Melanie? and the Mamas and the Papas? I remember seeing 5 or 10 variations on the same greatest hits, or best ofs and those are only two that i used to follow. I wonder if anyone did any real research on this subject. I think we'd all be surprised at what is out there. Steve >>> Bob Muller 2/23/2005 6:17:29 PM >>> I'm no authority, but doing some simple searches at Amazon, CD Universe etc. shows everything still out there EXCEPT for DED, of course DED in its entirety is on the Geffen box. And looking at Amazon, it looks like Joni's NEXT compilation (when does this madness end?**) "Songs Of A Prarie Girl" is due out April 25. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007UMMHC/qid=1109204051/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl15/103-9500611-9187003?v=glance&s=music&n=507846 At what point will Joni have more comps out there than original works? She's been cranking these things out like Catholics havin' babies. Bob NP: Van the Man, "Brand New Day" **actually a bit ironic coming from a guy who's working on "Joni Covers, Volume 70"! Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:38:35 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity > Maybe Joni is cranking these things out, but what about Melanie? Them's fighting words, Steve. Melanie is a hard working performer and writer. She puts out a cd a year of new material and tours the U.S. And Europe constantly. and the > Mamas and the Papas? Well, half of them are dead! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:54:23 -0600 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity I love Melanie! Do you know how much vinyl of hers I have? The shock I had in the late 70's and early 80's was all these repackaged albums of these 2 artist/groups. Were they trying to get the most buck for the product? trying to reach a new/larger audience? My thought was: don't they think the fans can read the album covers? Melanie's 2 CD set rocks, BTW... Steve >>> Jerry Notaro 2/24/2005 8:38:35 AM >>> > Maybe Joni is cranking these things out, but what about Melanie? Them's fighting words, Steve. Melanie is a hard working performer and writer. She puts out a cd a year of new material and tours the U.S. And Europe constantly. and the > Mamas and the Papas? Well, half of them are dead! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:02:47 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity > Like many artists, but unlike Joni, Melanie lost control of her catalog and > the labels rushed to reissue schlocky compilations to make the most money they > could off of her. > > Jerry > > The shock I had in the late 70's and early 80's was all these repackaged > albums of these 2 artist/groups. Were they trying to get the most buck for the > product? trying to reach a new/larger audience? > My thought was: don't they think the fans can read the album covers? > > Melanie's 2 CD set rocks, BTW... > > Steve > >>>> >>> Jerry Notaro 2/24/2005 8:38:35 AM >>> >> > Maybe Joni is cranking these things out, but what about Melanie? > > Them's fighting words, Steve. Melanie is a hard working performer and > writer. She puts out a cd a year of new material and tours the U.S. And > Europe constantly. > > and the >> > Mamas and the Papas? > > Well, half of them are dead! > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:54:05 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity Rhino is a U.S. Corporation and though sells to the U.K., does not produce there. Jerry > Jerry Notaro wrote: >> >> And the USA Amazon site does label it an import. Very strange. > > Not strange if it's a UK (as opposed to US) release. > > Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:04:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity But it's a Rhino Records release, which, I would've thought is an American based company (well, it has mainly Americana on their releases...)/ Would they only release it in the UK? That's what made me think it was a little bizarre that the UK amazon would list a Rhino release as non-import and a the US amazon to list it as import... Would Rhino really do that? Not really knowing anything about music distribution. Much Joni JamieZoob --- Mark or Travis wrote: > Jerry Notaro wrote: > > > > And the USA Amazon site does label it an import. > Very strange. > > Not strange if it's a UK (as opposed to US) release. > > Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:22:49 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity Jerry Notaro wrote: > Rhino is a U.S. Corporation and though sells to the U.K., does not > produce there. > > Jerry Alright Lucy. 'Splain! Ricky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:48:50 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity Jerry Notaro wrote: > > And the USA Amazon site does label it an import. Very strange. Not strange if it's a UK (as opposed to US) release. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:50:31 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity Kind of beating a dead horse here, but it's just most likely an Amazon mistake. It should read Import on the UK site, not on the Amazon U.S. Site. Lucy > Jerry Notaro wrote: >> Rhino is a U.S. Corporation and though sells to the U.K., does not >> produce there. >> >> Jerry > > Alright Lucy. 'Splain! > > Ricky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:57:37 +0000 From: John Sprackland Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #56 I love this list but if Nuriel Tobias keeps filling it with his/her inane postings I think I might have to quit. John Southport, UK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:57:37 +0000 From: John Sprackland Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #56 I love this list but if Nuriel Tobias keeps filling it with his/her inane postings I think I might have to quit. John Southport, UK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:45:40 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity Jamie Zubairi wrote: > That's what made me think it was a little bizarre that > the UK amazon would list a Rhino release as non-import > and a the US amazon to list it as import... Would > Rhino really do that? Rhino was sold to Warners some time ago, and Warners has global tentacles. The $35 price tag is consistant with an import. Sometimes they release things at different times in different places. I think it is our fault Joni is releasing all these compilations. She probably heard that some of us were complaining about it, and is so stubborn and obstinate that she decided to just keep doing it. Like the smoking thing. We need to work in some reverse psychology. I will start: I sure hope Joni isn't going to be one of those artists that releases a big box set with lots of out-takes, alternative tracks, and live cuts! That would really suck! RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:53:19 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity kinda like the ol Brer Rabbit thing, right? Please don't throw me in the briar patch! :) Em - --- Randy Remote wrote: > I think it is our fault Joni is releasing all these compilations. She > probably > heard that some of us were complaining about it, and is so stubborn > and > obstinate that she decided to just keep doing it. Like the smoking > thing. > We need to work in some reverse psychology. I will start: > > I sure hope Joni isn't going to be one of those artists that releases > a > big > box set with lots of out-takes, alternative tracks, and live cuts! > That > would > really suck! > RR > ===== "Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube." - ----- Hunter S. Thompson 1937-2005, RIP ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:53:20 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity kinda like the ol Brer Rabbit thing, right? Please don't throw me in the briar patch! :) Em - --- Randy Remote wrote: > I think it is our fault Joni is releasing all these compilations. She > probably > heard that some of us were complaining about it, and is so stubborn > and > obstinate that she decided to just keep doing it. Like the smoking > thing. > We need to work in some reverse psychology. I will start: > > I sure hope Joni isn't going to be one of those artists that releases > a > big > box set with lots of out-takes, alternative tracks, and live cuts! > That > would > really suck! > RR > ===== "Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube." - ----- Hunter S. Thompson 1937-2005, RIP ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:37:20 -0500 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity You know what would suck even more? If Joni started writing and recording new original music. I sure hope she never does that, because I can't imagine anything worse. You know what would also suck? If these new recordings were done with some crack band instead of those wonderful orchestral settings we all love so universally. That would be terrible. Joni would have to be crazy to go back to a more stripped down sound. It would be horrible to hear her perform good jazz-inflected new original pop music when we could have nice turgid recyclings of old stuff. You know what would be a GREAT idea? If Joni would re-record every sing one of her albums, only this time arranged and conducted by Vince Mendoza. I really wish that will happen instead of all those sucky things I don't want to happen. Quoting Randy Remote : > Jamie Zubairi wrote: > > > That's what made me think it was a little bizarre that > > the UK amazon would list a Rhino release as non-import > > and a the US amazon to list it as import... Would > > Rhino really do that? > > Rhino was sold to Warners some time ago, and Warners has global > tentacles. The $35 price tag is consistant with an import. Sometimes > they release things at different times in different places. > > I think it is our fault Joni is releasing all these compilations. She > probably > heard that some of us were complaining about it, and is so stubborn > and > obstinate that she decided to just keep doing it. Like the smoking > thing. > We need to work in some reverse psychology. I will start: > > I sure hope Joni isn't going to be one of those artists that releases > a > big > box set with lots of out-takes, alternative tracks, and live cuts! > That > would > really suck! > RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:34:37 -0000 From: "willytheshake100" Subject: 'Joni Mitchell, music that matters to her' The artist's choice CD - 'Joni Mitchell, music that matters to her'. With a double gatefold and booklet insert, what a nice little package it is. Joni's intro to her choices reads: "By the end of the 20th Century it seemed to me that the muse had gone out of music and all that was left was the 'ic'. Nothing sounded genuine or original. Truth and beauty were passi. Shock was the reigning value and schlock was rating raves in Rolling Stone. I heard one record boss on the radio announcing matter-of-factly, 'We are no longer looking for talent. We're looking for a "look" and a willingness to cooperate!' Another executive told me, as a prelude to rejecting my last album, 'We're just selling cars now. We've got fast cars and cute cars...' I got the picture. I quit the business. I volunteered for this project in order to force myself to review the songs and compositions that, over the course of my life, really got to me. I was about to receive an honorary doctorate in music and I needed to remember what it was that I had once loved about it." Maybe I'd read and forgotten the story behind 'Harlem in Havana', but it was good to read again and hear Joni saying somehow it fits in between her Duke Ellington and Louis Jordan choices in the running order. "In reviewing this song, I found two influences that I had unconsciously assimilated - Marvin Gaye and the whisper singers of Burundi." WtS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:04:41 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Jimmy Page talks about our Joan >How important was "Stairway to Heaven" to you? PAGE: To me, I thought "Stairway" crystallized the essence of the band. It had everything there and showed the band at its best...as a band, as a unit. Not talking about solos or anything, it had everything there. We were careful never to release it as a single. It was a milestone for us. Every musician wants to do something of lasting quality, something which will hold up for a long time and I guess we did it with "Stairway." Townshend probably thought that he got it with Tommy. I don't know whether I have the ability to come up with more. I have to do a lot of hard work before I can get anywhere near those stages of consistent, total brilliance. I don't think there are too many people who are capable of it. Maybe one. Joni Mitchell. That's the music that I play at home all the time, Joni Mitchell. Court and Spark I love because I'd always hoped that she'd work with a band. But the main thing with Joni is that she's able to look at something that's happened to her, draw back and crystalize the whole situation, then write about it. She brings tears to my eyes, what more can I say? It's bloody eerie. I can relate so much to what she says. "Now old friends are acting strange/They shake their heads/They say I've changed." I'd like to know how many of the original friends any well-known musician has got. You'd be surprised. They think - -particularly that thing of change -they all assume that you've changed. For the worse. There are very few people I can call real, close friends. They're very, very precious to me. see the whole story by Cameron Crowe at: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/5937986/ledzeppelin?pageid=rs.News&pageregion=double2&rnd=1109278077162&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.872 Brian in blizzardy south jersey, reinstalling ALL the contents of my laptop, cursing Bill (not C or W, but G) and remembering and longing for my Macintosh days. ===== Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:19:19 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity and it would suck the double donkey if she made an all acoustic album... :/ em - --- "rflynn@frontiernet.net" wrote: > You know what would suck even more? If Joni started writing and > recording new original music. I sure hope she never does that, > because > I can't imagine anything worse. > > > You know what would also suck? If these new recordings were done > with > some crack band instead of those wonderful orchestral settings we all > love so universally. That would be terrible. Joni would have to be > crazy to go back to a more stripped down sound. It would be horrible > to hear her perform good jazz-inflected new original pop music when > we > could have nice turgid recyclings of old stuff. > > > You know what would be a GREAT idea? If Joni would re-record every > sing > one of her albums, only this time arranged and conducted by Vince > Mendoza. I really wish that will happen instead of all those sucky > things I don't want to happen. > > > Quoting Randy Remote : > > > Jamie Zubairi wrote: > > > > > That's what made me think it was a little bizarre that > > > the UK amazon would list a Rhino release as non-import > > > and a the US amazon to list it as import... Would > > > Rhino really do that? > > > > Rhino was sold to Warners some time ago, and Warners has global > > tentacles. The $35 price tag is consistant with an import. > Sometimes > > they release things at different times in different places. > > > > I think it is our fault Joni is releasing all these compilations. > She > > probably > > heard that some of us were complaining about it, and is so stubborn > > and > > obstinate that she decided to just keep doing it. Like the smoking > > thing. > > We need to work in some reverse psychology. I will start: > > > > I sure hope Joni isn't going to be one of those artists that > releases > > a > > big > > box set with lots of out-takes, alternative tracks, and live cuts! > > That > > would > > really suck! > > RR > ===== "Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube." - ----- Hunter S. Thompson 1937-2005, RIP ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:25:19 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: 'Joni Mitchell, music that matters to her' willytheshake100 wrote: > Joni's intro to her choices > reads: > > I was about to receive an > honorary doctorate in music and I needed to remember what it > was that I had once loved about it." This is pretty funny. When I first heard about this release, I said that she should include a disclaimer: "I don't listen to music, but if I did, this is what I would listen to". Weird and sad that she did just that. She seems to be saying that she no longer loves music. She quit the business when a label exec told her it was only about product. "By the end of the 20th Century it seemed to me that the muse had gone out of music and all that was left was the 'ic'. Nothing sounded genuine or original. Truth and beauty were passe." God, I hear great music all the time. Mostly NOT from the big labels. Joni, that was your golden moment to quit the corporations and start your own label. Not to turn your back on music itself. Strange how she condemns the star-making machinery and music in the same breath. RR ps I hope Joni will not be one of those artists who start their own label and start putting out great, original music. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:59:58 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity Aw, Em. Why do you say that? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Em" To: ; "jonilist" Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 4:19 PM Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity > and it would suck the double donkey if she made an all acoustic > album... > :/ > em > > --- "rflynn@frontiernet.net" wrote: > > > You know what would suck even more? If Joni started writing and > > recording new original music. I sure hope she never does that, > > because > > I can't imagine anything worse. > > > > > > You know what would also suck? If these new recordings were done > > with > > some crack band instead of those wonderful orchestral settings we all > > love so universally. That would be terrible. Joni would have to be > > crazy to go back to a more stripped down sound. It would be horrible > > to hear her perform good jazz-inflected new original pop music when > > we > > could have nice turgid recyclings of old stuff. > > > > > > You know what would be a GREAT idea? If Joni would re-record every > > sing > > one of her albums, only this time arranged and conducted by Vince > > Mendoza. I really wish that will happen instead of all those sucky > > things I don't want to happen. > > > > > > Quoting Randy Remote : > > > > > Jamie Zubairi wrote: > > > > > > > That's what made me think it was a little bizarre that > > > > the UK amazon would list a Rhino release as non-import > > > > and a the US amazon to list it as import... Would > > > > Rhino really do that? > > > > > > Rhino was sold to Warners some time ago, and Warners has global > > > tentacles. The $35 price tag is consistant with an import. > > Sometimes > > > they release things at different times in different places. > > > > > > I think it is our fault Joni is releasing all these compilations. > > She > > > probably > > > heard that some of us were complaining about it, and is so stubborn > > > and > > > obstinate that she decided to just keep doing it. Like the smoking > > > thing. > > > We need to work in some reverse psychology. I will start: > > > > > > I sure hope Joni isn't going to be one of those artists that > > releases > > > a > > > big > > > box set with lots of out-takes, alternative tracks, and live cuts! > > > That > > > would > > > really suck! > > > RR > > > > > ===== > "Being shot out of a cannon will always be better than being squeezed out of a tube." > ----- Hunter S. Thompson 1937-2005, RIP ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:31:07 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: 'Joni Mitchell, music that matters to her' I gather that she has always been ambivalent about the performing art part. Witness her comment on MOA about no one ever asked Van Gogh to paint Starry Night again. Why couldn't Joni see that her fans asked her to play the same songs again because the songs make us feel a certain way and we feel like we are sharing her expressed pain or pleasure. By contrast, I saw a 60 minute special on Jimmy Buffet the other night. He said , and I'm paraphrasing, that Margaritaville belonged to him when he wrote it, but after it became so popular, it belonged to the fans and he was proud to sing it again every time he was asked to. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Remote" To: "willytheshake100" ; Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 4:25 PM Subject: Re: 'Joni Mitchell, music that matters to her' > willytheshake100 wrote: > > > Joni's intro to her choices > > reads: > > > > I was about to receive an > > honorary doctorate in music and I needed to remember what it > > was that I had once loved about it." > > This is pretty funny. When I first heard about this release, I said that > > she should include a disclaimer: "I don't listen to music, but if I did, > this > is what I would listen to". Weird and sad that she did just that. > She seems to be saying that she no longer loves music. She quit the > business when a label exec told her it was only about product. > "By the end of the 20th Century it seemed to me that the > muse had gone out of music and all that was left was the > 'ic'. Nothing sounded genuine or original. Truth and > beauty were passe." > God, I hear great music all the time. Mostly NOT from the big labels. > Joni, that was your golden moment to quit the corporations and start > your own label. Not to turn your back on music itself. > Strange how she condemns the star-making machinery and music in the > same breath. > RR > ps I hope Joni will not be one of those artists who start their own > label > and start putting out great, original music. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:53:37 +0000 From: "J Harney" Subject: David Geffen + Joni mention in NY Times--sjc Here are some notes from Lurkdom: Last Thursday night I attended a lecture (actually it was a staged conversation in a Q & A format) by David Geffen at New York's 92nd Street Y. The series is part of similar events at the 92nd Street Y that attracts all manner of the best writers, actors, thinkers, and notable individuals who come to share their lives with an auduence for about 90 minutes. This particular series features "Captains of Industry" and is sponsored by "Business Week" magazine, for whom the magazine's editor, Stephen Shepard, conducts the interviews. Well, I was hoping that David Geffen would talk more about the music business, and his relationship with Joni Mitchell in particular. Alas, since the focus of this discussion was business and therefore steered clear of the veresimilitude of celebrity, Mr. Geffen held a lot back. (Two things that surprised me about the evening: 1) David Geffen's head is now completely shaved. I guess my last memory of seeing him was the WHM/PBS documentary and the brief remarks he contributed for same--he is very fit and seems far younger than his years; 2) At times the interviewer seemed frustrated with David Geffen's responses, which tended to be short and simple, and that lead me to believe--here's the surprising part--that he was very nervous and uncomfortable in that setting.) In response to a question about recording artists today versus the ones he represented a generation ago, he said he that many of today's artists are good in a different way, and he listed Usher, Alicia Keyes, and Kanye West as examples. "Joni Mitchell can't dance," he quipped, which I took to mean that today's artists' acts are slicker and more involved than earlier ones. In a way I think he meant it as a back-handed compliment. Lastly, several "bold face names" turned out to support David Geffen: Ariana Huffington, Graydon Carter, Fran Leibowitz, and the NY Times former drama critic, Frank Rich, were all in the audience. Speaking of the NY Times, yesterday(23 Feb) there was a Joni mention vis a vis a Connecticut singer ("No Angry Songs for This Troubadour", p. B2) named Thomasina Levy: "No, she does not apologize for sounding so New Age. She calls herself 'a folk musician who plays the dulcimer' and says her style is rooted as much in Joni Mitchell as Jean Ritchie, the dulcimer balladeer from Kentucky." Jack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:56:23 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity WoW I did not know that! Do you have all of her stuff? Is it good. Does she still have her baby fat? I loved her a long time ago. I need to look her up on the old internet. Paz NP-Free Man IN Paris BTW I was talking about you to a friend on the way back from Baton Rouge this afternoon. My friend Rachel's brother lives in West Palm and I told her I thought you live there. >> Maybe Joni is cranking these things out, but what about Melanie? > > Them's fighting words, Steve. Melanie is a hard working performer and > writer. She puts out a cd a year of new material and tours the U.S. And > Europe constantly. > > and the >> Mamas and the Papas? > > Well, half of them are dead! > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:00:22 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #56 Don't go John! That's really some of the more light hearted actually amusing stuff. There is a whole host of other shit though that can be really scary and offensive, but just let it fly on by. The delete key can be a treasure here. The good part is there are so many treasures to be had. So many wonderful people, stories, music, get togethers, and so much more. Best Paz > I love this list but if Nuriel Tobias keeps filling it with his/her > inane postings I think I might have to quit. > > John > Southport, UK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:00:22 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #56 Don't go John! That's really some of the more light hearted actually amusing stuff. There is a whole host of other shit though that can be really scary and offensive, but just let it fly on by. The delete key can be a treasure here. The good part is there are so many treasures to be had. So many wonderful people, stories, music, get togethers, and so much more. Best Paz > I love this list but if Nuriel Tobias keeps filling it with his/her > inane postings I think I might have to quit. > > John > Southport, UK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:07:07 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell, music that matters to her Brad wrote: <> I would be thrilled to watch Van Gogh paint Starry Night again! Imagine, Starry Night again with subtle variations that reflect Van Gogh's mood/mind/muse for the time being. Just like the same subtle variations we hear in songs performed more than once... Mia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:15:18 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni on Ellington Here's part of what Joni says in the liner notes about Duke Ellington in the Starbucks' compilation, "Joni Mitchell: Artist's Choice". I know this is copywritten. I know it's not "mine" to distribute. I hope that quoting this sample invigorates some of the old folks among us to pick up this collection. The track Joni's commenting on is "Subtle Lament" from the album "1938-1939" by Duke Ellington & His Orchestra. Like a letter from home, it's best to read this aloud. Joni Mitchell said, >I love this arrangement- the way the colors change- but it's the sound of the band- the warmth of it- the heart- the humor- the spiritual synchonization- that makes this music so inimitable. This is less a band and more a being. They play togethe like one instrument- one soul. Listen to Duke as he comes tickling in - the notes wink at you- like the Harlem Globetrotters- delightful! - serious clowning.> All the best, Lama np: track 4: Miles Davis' take on "It Never Entered My Mind". Whoa, this is alternately beautiful and cool. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:31:32 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Joni's unpopularity NO MORE PIANO SONGS! THANK GOD WE'VE BEEN DELIVERED FROM THOSE! Helplessly hoping, Lama np: Dr. John's "Gumbo" at 1/4 volume after midnight on a "school night" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:55:56 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Prairie Girl or whatever this must be what she was talking about when she mentioned 'next release' during the Honorary Doctorate Round Table Discussion. She was talking about re-mastering Paprika Plains for 'the next release' to retune the piano to fit the strings. And the title would fit the inclusion of Paprika Plains... and hmmm lemme guess Cherokee Louise Song for Sharon Urge For Going Amelia (again?) Harlem In Havana Interestingly, amazon.co.uk haven't listed it as import yet it's a Rhino release. I thought this one is being produced for the Canadian market ??? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 01:04:24 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Artist's Choice From: "willytheshake100" Subject: 'Joni Mitchell, music that matters to her' The artist's choice CD - 'Joni Mitchell, music that matters to her'. With a double gatefold and booklet insert, what a nice little package it is. Joni's intro to her choices reads: I am really digging Joni's artist's choice. I love the selections and the sequencing is perfect. Johnny B. Goode (and others) are hip-shakin' music, and anything that make my hips shake is OK with me. Bryan ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #58 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)