From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #55 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, February 22 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 055 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Hunter S. Thompson - R.I.P. [JRMCo1@aol.com] Vote now! [John Sprackland ] Re: Hunter S. Thompson - R.I.P. [Em ] apology for.... [Em ] A new Joni book due out soon [Brian Gross ] Re: Joni references Shakespeare/Joni Party [Garret ] Re: Joni in WORD [Garret ] RE: Joni in WORD ["Les Irvin" ] Re: revisiting Joni's choice ["McMillan Brad" ] Joni Opus Collection as Created by the JMDL ["Happy The Man" ] God Bless Rhino, but hmmm? [Justalittlebreen@aol.com] What the fuck do you mean? ["David Henderson" ] Re: CSN in 72 / 74 [Michael Paz ] Re: hello again [Michael Paz ] Re: God Bless Rhino, but hmmm? [Catherine McKay ] a strange thing about Hejira ["bill johnson" ] Re: a strange thing about Hejira ["John T. Folden" ] on second thought.... ["bill johnson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 03:01:16 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Hunter S. Thompson - R.I.P. He took his own life in Colorado. I'm a fan of his books and his contributions to Rolling Stone Magazine and popular culture. The following is an anecdote on his relationship with Rolling Stone editor Jann Wenner. I think it captures his persona well: "When you saw Jann during those days," says one of his editors, "You couldn't help but remember the scene at the end of the Godfather, Part II, when Michael Corleone is sitting there, all alone, having killed all his enemies, and being able to trust no one, except family. And now, for Jann, the only family he ever knew was gone." Or almost gone. Because there was still Hunter - only Hunter was rapidly slipping away. At one time, the two of them had been very close, as close, at least, as Wenner got to anyone who worked for him. Wenner not only appreciated Thompson's talents, but genuinely seemed to like him as a companion. During Thompson's rare forays to San Francisco, he was a guest at Wenner's house, as was Jann at Hunter's when he came to Aspen to ski. Wenner, who had a well-developed, if cynical, sense of humor, delighted in Thompson's continual put-ons, though on some occasions they could go too far. One night, for instance, the two of them and a bartender friend of Hunter's were relaxing in the study of Jann's townhouse, listening to records, talking, and getting quite stoned on hash. Thompson wanted Wenner to listen to a Joni Mitchell album he thought deserved special praise from Rolling Stone, but Wenner had nodded off. So Thompson attracted Wenner's attention as only Hunter Thompson could, namely, by blasting him in the face with a fire extinguisher. Wenner awoke in a cloud of gray gop. It covered the room, but nothing more completely than Wenner, who stumbled out on the patio, gasping for breath. Wiping the goo from his eyes, he crashed back into the room, directly into the sliding glass doors. By the time he reached Thompson, gasping and heaving, he was so angry that he shook his fist, shouting, "It may take me the rest of my life, but so help me, I'll get even with you." With that, Hunter, who was laughing uncontrollably, blasted Wenner's dog and sent him careening out onto the patio, as a demonstration that fire extinguishers were actually quite harmless. (More recently, Thompson played the reverse of the trick on Wenner, when, one night in Wenner's New York apartment, Hunter fulfilled "the ultimate ambition every writer has about his editor," and literally breathed fire on him. The stunt, which is not recommended for the faint of heart, involved blowing a mouth-full of lighter fluid over a lighted Zippo in the direction of the intended victim, who, if he were not fast on his feet, would be engulfed in a whooshing, rolling fireball. Wenner was merely singed.) - -End- Now me again: He was an original, for better or worse. No doubt about that. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 08:22:04 +0000 From: John Sprackland Subject: Vote now! Hey, the next person to vote on the jmdl album poll can have the satisfaction of voting 'Mingus' into the top ten! Hooray! (Don't forget, Mingus fans, you can vote every month) Go now.... http://www.jmdl.com/poll/albumpoll.cfm John Southport, UK P.S. Would any stateside friend like to send me a copy of the Joni's choice Starbucks CD in exchange for a copy of the Joni feature edition of the Word magazine, plus covermount CD (no Joni but a great track by Rilo Kiley!)? I guess the Starbucks CD costs more but it will cost more fro me to post the mag and CD so I reckon we'd be about quits. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 04:14:14 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Hunter S. Thompson - R.I.P. Big fan here too. He affected my life. Or, I should say, his writings did. Woke up 20 minutes earlier than usual today for some reason, having decided to ride my motorcycle in, then as I was getting ready - I heard the news about Thompson. And I was glad I was riding in. I wonder what his heaven looks like. Em - --- JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > He took his own life in Colorado. ...snip... > He was an original, for better or worse. No doubt about that. > > -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 04:39:52 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: apology for.... not putting the NJC. Sorry folks. I do try to remember. :( Em ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 07:01:12 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: A new Joni book due out soon >Finally, we have a slew of books about rock 'n' rollers, all of whom have influenced today's country singers and songwriters. They include: Magical Mystery Tour: My Life With the Beatles by Tony Bramwell with Rosemary Kingsland (St. Martin's/Dunne, April); Bob Dylan: Performing Artist Volume 3: Mind Out of Time, 1996 and Beyond by Paul Williams (Omnibus, March); Neil Young and the Poetics of Energy by William Echard (Indiana University, July); Billy Joel: The Life & Times of an Angry Young Man by Hank Bordowitz (Billboard Books, July) and Joni Mitchell: Both Sides Now by Mark Bego (Taylor, June). http://www.cmt.com/news/articles/1497273/20050218/presley_elvis.jhtml?headlines=true Happy Presidents Day to all who have off from work today. Brian ===== Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:39:17 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: Joni references Shakespeare/Joni Party Thaks for doing the detective work Jamie. Nothing to add other than that this is very interesting. GARRET NP- Joni Mitchell, Slouching Toward Bethlehem Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:47:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: Joni references Shakespeare/Joni Party Hi Eaddy and Donna Yes there are various sprinklings of Shakespeare's work throughout Joni's lyrics from the '60s to the '90s. From 'That Song About The Midway' Joni references Romeo and Juliet in her 'And you stood out like a ruby/In a black man's ear.' with Romeo's lamenting in Act 1 ScV O, she doth teach the torches to burn bright! It seems she hangs upon the cheek of night Like a rich jewel in an Ethiope's ear; Beauty too rich for use, for earth too dear! And I think in 'Borderline' there's a direct lifting of Hamlet in the lines, 'Good or bad we think we know/As if thinking makes things so!' In Act2 ScII of Hamlet, Hamlet is being 'investigated' by his former friends Rosencrantz and Guildenstern and he is out witting them. In this exchange he asks if they think that the world is a prison and that Denmark is also a prison but they think it's a good one.To which is reply is:'Why, then, 'tis none to you; for there is nothing/either good or bad, but thinking makes it so: to me it is a prison.' Quite a quick re-working of a line but it's there. Talk To Me has other R&J and Hamlet references, to which she says 'I stole that from Willy The Shake' The line 'COnstant as the Northern Star' happens to be the last major speech in Julius Caesar before he gets stabbed in the Forum. Ah this has been an interesting project... I'm sure there are more direct liftings and I would love to hear the COmplete Shakespeare to get it joined to Joni, just to see where it is from. Much Joni Jamie Zoob - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:05:33 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: Joni in WORD Hi Mark, Word magazine has been on shelves for about two years i believe. As british music/entertainment magazines go i quite like it. Magazines like Q and NME tend to focus on certain types of acts and certain classic figures (Dylan and Lennon and Zeppelin typically). I have always thought that they pay lip service to Joni and, indulge me again, Patti Smith, without ever paying them real attention or delivering a just consideration of their respective bodies of work yet devote endless special editions and feature articles to The Legacy of John Lennon and The Story of Bob Dylan etc. The names of Joni and to a lesser extent Patti are often dropped in these magazines in the appropriate places. The feeling i have taken away from this is that respectable critics or music journalists are expected to pay lip service to certain artists without ever really having taken the time to find out why they are doing this. I am probably cynical, but rarely have i seen evidence to the contrary (which is not to imply that i have never seen evidence to the contrary). This is largely where the common phrase in reviews "the new Joni Mitchell" come from, in my opinion. Most of the time when this is statement is made it is not based on any knoweldge of or appreciation for the music of Joni Mitchell, it is often an insult to said work, and often misrepresents the work of the artist being reviewed. Jewel, for example, was never the new Joni Mitchell, in any way, shape, or form. Word magazine has had Tom Waits on teh cover, Leonard Cohen if i remember correctly and others of that calibre while also devoting valuable and important cover space to people Bjork and The White Stripes. I don't know what that says to anyone else, but to me it says that there is a genuine love for good music going on at the Word offices and, unlike Q, it's not just about putting the latest "The -" band on the cover to sell copies (not that i see anything wrong with the strokes, the killers, the hives etc). Joni really was a logical next on the list for Word magazine and i hold out for covers featuring Nina Simone and Patti Smith too. The article on Joni in Word is nice, although does not reveal anything that has not been well documented elsewhere. That wasn't their purpose with this article. I was very surprised to see Joni's face on the shelf next to Bob Marley and Bono, and very pleased. A lot of it is lifted from the Woman of Heart and Mind DVD i think. As has happened before, the article seems to stop discussing her albums after THOSL. I like the last line. It is appropriate and moved me. I will pick you up a copy tomorrow and send it if you like. GARRET NP- Jeff Buckley, So Real - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:12:42 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Joni in WORD > The article on Joni in Word is nice, although does not reveal > anything that has not been well documented elsewhere. In fact, I got an email from the author of the article who told me that he did his research for the article at the JMDL library... Les ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:20:47 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: revisiting Joni's choice Woulda, Coulda and shoulda. We all do the best we can do with the information and resources we have at the time. I'm sure that's what Joni did. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mags h" To: Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 12:50 PM Subject: revisiting Joni's choice > To clarify, I have heard Joni say that she had no choice but to surrender Kelly Green. I don't hear her say she was a victim in this. What I do hear is a soulful expression of excrutiating pain. Like white flags of winter chimneys, waving truce against the moon, she holds up her pain from that experience as her truth. She surrenders. This is the point I'm trying to make, Joni's truth is that she had no choice. > > From a distant shore of "rational, logical thought", one might see that there was a "choice" ... either Joni "chooses" to keep the baby, or she gives her up .. pretty "simple" from that point of view. However, as Joni has said, 1965 was a very different landscape from the "now" that we live in. > > For her own reasons, the ones she has made public, the ones she has not, Joni felt she had no choice but to surrender her baby girl. Keeping her was not an option that she could sort out. Joni was "penniless" and felt that she did not/would not have had the acceptance or support from her parents. Given the pressure to "do the right thing", from doctors, nurses, the nuns, the social atmosphere of 1965, no wonder she did what she did. > > Sure, we can site all kinds of cases from that time, however, this does not change Joni's reality. It was a brave thing for me to disclose that I've been in a similar situation, which is in part, why I feel as strongly about this topic. I relate to her journey, her experience, the path that Joni walked and continues to walk. It's a fine line, a tight rope, hovering over a dangerous precipice. To take a stainless steel scalpel and peel away all the layers, the raw and ragged edges, to put forth that it's a done deal, to say that Joni had a choice, is to discount the magnitude of what she went through. > > We may never know "exactly" what Joni thought, felt, went through, or anyone else for that matter, but rest assured, what I "can" do is express, with a great deal of (com)passion and knowing from that place of experience, the sheer razor sharp hell of facing such a "choice". > > I write this with the utmost respect for all of the thoughts, opinions and tender feelings which have been expressed, carefully rendered upon these pages by others. I'm not attacking anyone else's thought process, I am giving expression to my own reactions. It is my intention to offer an alternate way of seeing. > > Most of all, I am grateful for all of the posts on this subject as they have helped to inform and clarify how I feel about this. Thank you for propelling me to express my thoughts, just so. > > Mags > > np: silence > Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:38:13 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Joni references Shakespeare/Joni Party I wonder if these Joni lines are listed as "covers" on the Shakespeare website? (;-) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Zubairi" To: "Donna Binkley" ; ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: Re: Joni references Shakespeare/Joni Party > Hi Eaddy and Donna > > Yes there are various sprinklings of Shakespeare's > work throughout Joni's lyrics from the '60s to the > '90s. > > From 'That Song About The Midway' Joni references > Romeo and Juliet in her 'And you stood out like a > ruby/In a black man's ear.' with Romeo's lamenting in > Act 1 ScV > > O, she doth teach the torches to burn bright! > It seems she hangs upon the cheek of night > Like a rich jewel in an Ethiope's ear; > Beauty too rich for use, for earth too dear! > > And I think in 'Borderline' there's a direct lifting > of Hamlet in the lines, 'Good or bad we think we > know/As if thinking makes things so!' > > In Act2 ScII of Hamlet, Hamlet is being 'investigated' > by his former friends Rosencrantz and Guildenstern and > he is out witting them. In this exchange he asks if > they think that the world is a prison and that Denmark > is also a prison but they think it's a good one.To > which is reply is:'Why, then, 'tis none to you; for > there is nothing/either good or bad, but thinking > makes it so: to me it is a prison.' > > Quite a quick re-working of a line but it's there. > > Talk To Me has other R&J and Hamlet references, to > which she says 'I stole that from Willy The Shake' > > The line 'COnstant as the Northern Star' happens to be > the last major speech in Julius Caesar before he gets > stabbed in the Forum. > > Ah this has been an interesting project... I'm sure > there are more direct liftings and I would love to > hear the COmplete Shakespeare to get it joined to > Joni, just to see where it is from. > > Much Joni > > Jamie Zoob > > > > --- Donna Binkley wrote: > > > > > Joni also references Shakespeare in "Talk to Me" > > from Don Juan's > > Reckless Daughter, a great album IMO. > > And there may be other references I can't think of > > or don't know. > > > > Come on Joniphiles help us out here! > > > > Donna from TX > > > > > > > > I work at a private school in Vermont and I almost > > always get some > > response when I toss out a reference to Joni. A > > workshop weekend with > > > > colleagues took on a "hexagram of the heavens" theme > > -- we were seeing > > > > them everywhere and wondering just what in the heck > > that false alarm > > was, for two whole days. (I still don't know what it > > is. . . good topic > > > > for the party, or the list, perhaps.) > > > > I was in the office the other day, preparing for > > class, when I came > > across the lines in Shakespeare's Caesar "I am as > > constant as the > > northern star . . . ." I was so psyched that I > > called out to the group > > > > of parents, staff and teachers "Joni? You know Joni? > > Listen to this!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:05:08 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: hello again Loud & Clear Bruce, welcome home! Donna from TX >>> Bruce Kimerer 2/20/2005 1:00:48 PM >>> I used to post here fairly frequently (well maybe not all that frequently). But some of you might remember me. A lot of changes have happened since then, including moving, etc. Just wondering if this gets through. I've tried before with no luck. Bruce This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:09:11 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Joni Opus Collection as Created by the JMDL I know I don't post much but I was thinking of the songs on the Opus Collection and why they are picked. I could have spent hours recollecting stories behind each Joni song but this one was one that truly impacted me. So I thought why not a Joni Opus collection by the JMDL that list a song of Joni's that impressed us enough to make a difference and the story behind it. Selfishly Here's Mine: It was Feb 7, 2000 just a few days after Wally Breese left us. The emotion of the week after reading the post of the JMDL community and the release of the Both Sides Now CD the in two days kind of came to a head when I was driving home Sunday evening. Jody Denberg had interview Joni after TTT (links below) and Wally had written about the interview. I emailed Jody earlier in the week about Wally's passing and he thanked me for letting him know. So as I pulled up in my driveway the song comes on and the grief of the week just overwhelms me. Only few times in my life have I heard a song clearer in my soul. 1) Both Sides Now (2000) - Feb 7, 2000 played by Jody Denberg on KGSR Radio 107.1 Austin, Texas. Jody does a Sunday night show where he previews releases of new albums. He previewed "Both Sides Now" but added the following comments before playing the song. Jody followed by talking about Wally, his creation, his relationship with Joni and dedicated the song in his memory. He plugged the album the new album and ended by saying of Wally. "Sweet bird you are Briefer than a falling star". http://www.jonimitchell.com/JoniAndJodyIV98.html http://www.kgsr.com/iTOOLIncludes/6305.php Peace, Craig NP: Reckless Kelly - Baby's Got A Whole Lot More. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:57:32 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni references Shakespeare/Joni Party > Talk To Me has other R&J and Hamlet references, to > which she says 'I stole that from Willy The Shake' > Jamie Zoob Itself a reference to Lord Buckley. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:00:36 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Joni references Shakespeare/Joni Party Thanks Jamie! Very interesting, and hats off to your Shakesperean expertise. db >>> Jamie Zubairi 2/20/2005 3:47:30 PM >>> Hi Eaddy and Donna Yes there are various sprinklings of Shakespeare's work throughout Joni's lyrics from the '60s to the '90s. From 'That Song About The Midway' Joni references Romeo and Juliet in her 'And you stood out like a ruby/In a black man's ear.' with Romeo's lamenting in Act 1 ScV O, she doth teach the torches to burn bright! It seems she hangs upon the cheek of night Like a rich jewel in an Ethiope's ear; Beauty too rich for use, for earth too dear! And I think in 'Borderline' there's a direct lifting of Hamlet in the lines, 'Good or bad we think we know/As if thinking makes things so!' In Act2 ScII of Hamlet, Hamlet is being 'investigated' by his former friends Rosencrantz and Guildenstern and he is out witting them. In this exchange he asks if they think that the world is a prison and that Denmark is also a prison but they think it's a good one.To which is reply is:'Why, then, 'tis none to you; for there is nothing/either good or bad, but thinking makes it so: to me it is a prison.' Quite a quick re-working of a line but it's there. Talk To Me has other R&J and Hamlet references, to which she says 'I stole that from Willy The Shake' The line 'COnstant as the Northern Star' happens to be the last major speech in Julius Caesar before he gets stabbed in the Forum. Ah this has been an interesting project... I'm sure there are more direct liftings and I would love to hear the COmplete Shakespeare to get it joined to Joni, just to see where it is from. Much Joni Jamie Zoob --- Donna Binkley wrote: > > Joni also references Shakespeare in "Talk to Me" > from Don Juan's > Reckless Daughter, a great album IMO. > And there may be other references I can't think of > or don't know. > > Come on Joniphiles help us out here! > > Donna from TX > > > > I work at a private school in Vermont and I almost > always get some > response when I toss out a reference to Joni. A > workshop weekend with > > colleagues took on a "hexagram of the heavens" theme > -- we were seeing > > them everywhere and wondering just what in the heck > that false alarm > was, for two whole days. (I still don't know what it > is. . . good topic > > for the party, or the list, perhaps.) > > I was in the office the other day, preparing for > class, when I came > across the lines in Shakespeare's Caesar "I am as > constant as the > northern star . . . ." I was so psyched that I > called out to the group > > of parents, staff and teachers "Joni? You know Joni? > Listen to this!" > ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:12:05 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Anybody watch the Grammy Awards? I have a few of these shows on CDR that I would be happy to burn for you if you are interested. Best Paz NP-Chief-Patty Griffin Live > Wow. I wish I could hear that version The Banquet. I suppose there are no > recordings of it, right? > >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Michael Paz [mailto:michael@thepazgroup.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 5:37 PM >>>> To: David Henderson; Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu; Joni Digest >>>> Subject: Re: Anybody watch the Grammy Awards? >>>> >>>> >>>>> I wondered if anyone else thought this was an outrageous slight. Led >>>>> Zeppelin is one of the most influential bands in the history >>>> of rock, and >>>>> they were given the fleeting recognition of a one-hit wonder >>>> on the Grammys. >>>> I agree about Zep. Banquet would have been a great Zep tune. I >>>> love the live >>>> versions from the WTRF tour with Mike Landau on guitar. Zep >>>> would have taken >>>> it up a notch or two fro there. >>>> >>>> Best >>>> >>>> Paz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 19:33:01 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: CSN in 72 / 74 Lama Bill wasn't the guy setting up the monitors he was the promoter (responsible for hiring competent sound company). It is my opinion that the Dead (not my fave band of all time sorry Victor) was at the forefront of technology and innovation of same to be able to have great sound. I recall some cats I worked wit years ago who developed a speaker box that were stackerd behind the stage at Dead shows so the band was hearing what the crowd did. The problem with that scenario is that putting speakers behind open mics tend to cause feedback. I hear that in that particular instance that it was a success but..... Who knows. Anyways, monitors are a very hard thing to do. Check out Aviom.com for more info on this topic. Bad monitor engineers can make or break a show. Best Paz NP-American Idol (oh yeah baby even me) > > Anyway, in 74 they had a conga player and a real band. Steven was > obviously... not... feeling well but it didn't hamper his ability to play > guitar one bit. Kinda strange. > > Half of the songs were... not... pitch-perfect. I don't think they had > proper monitors. Paz, is it possible that Bill Graham didn't set them up > with competent monitors so they could hear their harmonies? > > Although it was a sound-board recording, it might have been converted and > re-converted too many times. The audio quality was really bad, even at > work. If anyone is still reading, here's the real news: Some of the tracks > had an uncredited but unmistakably familiar female vocal on them, enhancing > the high harmonies. Sometimes, I don't think Joni could hear herself > either. Maybe there was something in the (bong) water? Does anyone have a > tree-worthy cassette or CD-R from CSNY in 1974 which includes our genius as > a background vocalist? > > All the best, > Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:34:46 EST From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: God Bless Rhino, but hmmm? Hi gang, In the last three months I've bought the 2-cd Rhino sets covering the careers of Carly Simon, Michael Franks and Jane Siberry. I've also lost count of the number of Rhino re-releases of Dionne Warwick's oeuvre, but they kind of fall into another category. What intrigues me is that the Carly, Jane and Michael releases all follow the same format, a good long essay from a truly loving fan of the artists', a listing of the songs with production and charting information, then a detailed discography with (joy!) pictures of the album covers in question, cross-labeled with the discography. (In other words, X's first album given the reference label "A", then on the next page or so, a picture of said album also labeled "A") Joni only got (or permitted?) one disc. (What, did she get compilation fatigue *now*!!!??) At this point there should be a law prohibiting all compilation albums unless they are put together by Rhino! Anyway, as lovely as Joni's Rhino is -- unlike the other aforementioned three, full lyrics and original paintings by the artist are given -- I wish they could have given her the full Rhino treatment, with two discs, at least one cut from each album (but not, for SCJoniGuy's mental health, I repeat *not* Dancing Clown from CMiaRS), and a *full* discography with a gallery of album covers. I'm especially puzzled by the absence of this last. Certainly Joni couldn't have requested its omission -- she who pushed through that four-disc set from the Geffen years -- could there have been legal problems? I don't know how these things work... Oh, one last thing -- two of the paintings -- the first looking like it may date froim the '80's, and the other very recent -- have the same subject matte r: Joni holding red-orange lilies in both hands, the bouquet in her right hand held higher. They rang a bell the moment I first saw the cover. Did Frieda Kahlo do a self-portrait just like this? It looks so familiar... Rainy-day ramblings/musings... hugs, walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:05:49 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: What the fuck do you mean? What the fuck do you mean,asswipe? You don't know one fucking thing about me or my friends. What could I have possibly said that makes you think I'm a racist? I've been reading your posts for two months. Do you ever think before you fucking speak? David Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:54:08 +0000 From: colin Subject: rap njc I have never liked the sound of rap. don't care at all what they are saying, the sound is agressive and horrid to my ears. I discovered when hearing rap sung in French, that the words had nothing to do with my dislike of it, as i reacted the same way-please turn it off-even tho I couldn't understand the words. I think there is a touch of racism in those, white or black, that insist people ought to like it. Comments such as those made by the guy's two black women friends are racist imo. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:07:45 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: CSN in 72 / 74 It wasn't one of the best greek choruses of all time. Maybe it was the monitors. Paz >> Does anyone have a >> tree-worthy cassette or CD-R from CSNY in 1974 which includes our genius as >> a background vocalist? >> >> All the best, >> Jim >> > Not I. But I've got the original tour poster, I think. Check that. I > gifted it to Paz a few years back. That was the "So Far" tour, wasn't it? > Joni did the art for the album of the same name and the same art is reprinted > on > the poster with the addition of Joan's handwritten tour dates. I know they > did Oakland Coliseum that year...hence the Dead connection, maybe. > > Paz? Look at the poster and please advise, willya? It's probably rolled > up in a cylinder somewhere in your studio. After *carefully* unfurling it, > frame it (professionally, please) and hang it on the wall...while I'm still > young, okay, beatch? :-) > > -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:08:09 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: hello again Welcome home! Paz > I used to post here fairly frequently (well maybe not all that frequently). > But some of you might remember me. A lot of changes have happened since > then, including moving, etc. Just wondering if this gets through. I've tried > before with no luck. > > Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:13:06 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: God Bless Rhino, but hmmm? --- Justalittlebreen@aol.com wrote: > Oh, one last thing -- two of the paintings -- the > first looking like it may > date froim the '80's, and the other very recent -- > have the same subject matte > r: Joni holding red-orange lilies in both hands, > the bouquet in her right > hand held higher. They rang a bell the moment I > first saw the cover. Did > Frieda Kahlo do a self-portrait just like this? It > looks so familiar... > I thought it looked like a Kahlo too and I went through my art books trying to find something similar and although I found some pieces that kind of suggested this. (Check out http://www.fridakahlo.com/art.shtml for instance. It also looks like an icon of some kind, to me, y'know either the Virgin Mary painted on wood with gilding, or a portrait of a saint or martyr of some kind. You see them holding flowers (roses or lilies usually), eyes gazing heavenwards while they're being consumed by flames or undergoing some other form of horrendous torture. There's some here at http://www.holycards.com/holycards/catalog/index.php but it's just gettin' way too Catholic for me - I think I'm getting flashbacks! If Joni spent some time in a Catholic hospital, she may have seen these kinds of images on the walls and it could have seeped into her subconscious somehow. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 00:59:36 -0600 From: "bill johnson" Subject: a strange thing about Hejira Awhile back I noticed something strange on the cover of Hejira. On the front cover look on the right side of the road. What is that tubular object? You might say a tailpipe to a car-fitting the albums theme.Look closer...there is a head on top and a vein towards the bottomright.Yes...could it possibly be...a severed male organ?!?! If it is a severed "M.O." it would also be fitting as she has been tormented most her adult life about giving up a baby the first time she got Chucks hot monkey love...and the MO was responsible for it all...But then..it could be a tailpipe. Joni's smoking hand also is detached on the cover. What is it..tailpipe or MO? Thanks Bill from IL NP: Robert Randolph ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 02:09:45 -0500 From: "John T. Folden" Subject: Re: a strange thing about Hejira umm, surely you're not talking about Joni's partially exposed, bracelet wearing wrist, right? :-p John On Feb 22, 2005, at 1:59 AM, bill johnson wrote: > Awhile back I noticed something strange on the cover of Hejira. On the > front cover look on the right side of the road. What is that tubular > object? You might say a tailpipe to a car-fitting the albums > theme.Look closer...there is a head on top and a vein towards the > bottomright.Yes...could it possibly be...a severed male organ?!?! If > it is a severed "M.O." it would also be fitting as she has been > tormented most her adult life about giving up a baby the first time > she got Chucks hot monkey love...and the MO was responsible for it > all...But then..it could be a tailpipe. Joni's smoking hand also is > detached on the cover. What is it..tailpipe or MO? Thanks Bill from > IL > NP: Robert Randolph ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:13:39 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: a strange thing about Hejira Bill wrote: > Awhile back I noticed something strange on the cover of Hejira. > On the front > cover look on the right side of the road. What is that tubular > object? You > might say a tailpipe to a car-fitting the albums theme.Look > closer...there > is a head on top and a vein towards the bottomright.Yes...could > it possibly > be...a severed male organ?!?! If it is a severed "M.O." it would also be > fitting as she has been tormented most her adult life about > giving up a baby > the first time she got Chucks hot monkey love...and the MO was > responsible > for it all...But then..it could be a tailpipe. Joni's smoking > hand also is > detached on the cover. What is it..tailpipe or MO? So this subject has reared it's ugly head again?! Just kidding... ;o) If you look closer - it's actually Joni's wrist. Her hand is in her pocket, and she has a thin silver or gold bangle on her wrist - or it could be a watch strap. In any case, it's not (despite appearances) a male appendage! Hell _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:38:09 -0600 From: "bill johnson" Subject: on second thought.... Thanks for the quick responses..I guess Joni's OTHER hand makes a whole lot more sense!! As the late Gilda Radner would say as Emily Littella......"nevermind." Bill from IL ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #55 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)