From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #54 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, February 21 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 054 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni i'view on Rhino website [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Win Joni's Starbucks CD - Artist's Choice/Songs Chosen By Friends [est86m] Re: CSN in 72 / 74 [Randy Remote ] hello again [Bruce Kimerer ] revisiting Joni's choice ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni's Starbucks CDs now avail online ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni in WORD ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: Joni's Starbucks CDs now avail online ["Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni i'view on Rhino website In the interview, Joni mentions Mr Kratzman and another male teacher - an Australian. Mr Kratzman told her she could "paint with words". Her other male teacher told her that she shouldn't copy because it will "kill her imagination". Mark in Sydney. NP Was (Not Was) - I Can't Turn You Loose. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 13:41:17 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Hey, But that Joni Starbucks CD! >>I haven't gone to my neighbourhood Sbucks yet, because I have an irrational phobia of the place. Maybe it's because they're so prolific. Maybe it's because they can't just have small, medium and large like everyone else, but have to give them those precious other names. But something about Starbucks raises my hackles and make me believe it's just.... evil... for some reason.<< read Naomi Klein's 'No Logo' for her reasons to explain why they are so prolific: it's because they are ...just 'evil' ... for some reason. There's also some Toronto content... mike - in year 3 of his Starbucks boycott... np - Emmylou Harris - Pieces of the Sky (Rhino version) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:18:22 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Joni i'view on Rhino website This is from Karen O'Brien's book. A quote of Joni from BBC Radio 2 Feb 20 1999: "A good looking Australian came up to me and said, 'You like to paint?' I said 'yes' and he said to me, 'If you can paint with a brush you can paint with words, I'll see you next year.' His name was [Arthur] Kratzman and he'd come to Canada with his teaching credentials kind of out of whack, so they punished him by sending him to teach on Indian reservations, which he loved. To send a teacher to the Indian reservations in Saskacthewan was like being banished to Siberia, but he took it with relish an he was a very, very soulful man. He'd been a racing partner to [a] great gold medal winning racer in Australia at that time, so he was a really good runner and he was a teacher-maker and a writer-maker and an athlete-maker. He said, 'You know, I'm not going to teach it to you, I'm going to cram it in to you in the last two weeks, and you'll all pass with flying colours. I'm going to teach you what I know." There is more but I'm tired of typeing. He also told her to "Write in your own blood". I believe the two teachers you're thinking of are one and the same. Doug Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > In the interview, Joni mentions Mr Kratzman and another male teacher - > an Australian. Mr Kratzman told her she could "paint with words". Her > other male teacher told her that she shouldn't copy because it will > "kill her imagination". > > Mark in Sydney. > > NP Was (Not Was) - I Can't Turn You Loose. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:29:47 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Win Joni's Starbucks CD - Artist's Choice/Songs Chosen By Friends I'm giving away TWO of Starbuck's Joni Mitchell - Artists Choice CD (Music that matters to her) and/or Songs Chosen By Her Friends & Fellow Musicians. (Winner's choice of one of these CDs!) Enter to have this CD delivered right to your door. No coffee purchase required! There are two ways to enter the contests. And, yes, you can enter & win both contests. FIRST WAY TO WIN A CD: How many references to the following can you find in songs released on Joni's albums: Coffee Coffee-related item Cafe or Cafes PLEASE NOTE: TEA does not qualify as a coffee-related item. Name the song, and list the word(s) you are entering for each song along with how many times the word appears. The words: cafe and cafes count as two seperate words. The person who finds the most words.... wins a CD. If more than one person finds the same amount I'll put the names in a hat, a bowl or some other container and have my son pick the winner. Email your Answers by Tuesday, March 1st. Winner chosen March 2nd. est86mlm@ameritech.net SECOND WAY TO WIN A CD: For every BOX TOP for Education you send me I'll enter your name in a drawing for the CD. (NOT labels-for-education. Cannot use these) One BOX TOP gets one entry, Two BOX TOPS gets two entries, etc. These are those little pink squares you see on various food products hanging out in your kitchen. Example: http://www.boxtops4education.com/ http://www.yadkin.k12.nc.us/schools/fes/Box%20Tops%20for%20Education%20-%20Products.htm Mail-In entries need to be received by Saturday, March 5. Winner chosen March 6. Email me for address to send entries to @ est86mlm@ameritech.net Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 09:53:52 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: CSN in 72 / 74 Joni was on the bill with CSNY Sept 8, 74, Roosevelt Raceway, Westbury NY. No doubt this is the same show as your tape. Having been raised on Bill Graham concerts, specifically the '72-'74 era, I am sure Graham was at the forefront of concert sound. The many shows I went to were top-notch, soundwise, and yes, monitors were standard. Even so, there could have been technical problems, communication problems with the monitor engineer (who was probably part of CSNY's crew), or more likely, substance malfunction. Even if he subcontracted out the sound locally, there would have been extensive equipment riders. It seems to me there is footage of Joni with CSNY in LA or Oakland- isn't it on one of the official videos? Maybe unofficial. Seems like I've seen a snippet somewhere. Surprised that Graham was the promoter in NY. Was this normal, or was he doing the whole tour? I saw Stills and Manassas at SF's Winterland in 73 or 74. They did a nice, long set, took a break, and the second set was a surprise acoustic performance by CSN. Kind of a surprise, as they'd done the same the night before, that's why I went! Sounded excellent, as I recall. I remember that there were pitch problems on the big CSNY comeback tour a few years ago, at least the one that was televised. And by Nash, of all people. Saw CSN after that, and they were the best and tightest I've ever seen them. RR ps The "new" CSN dvd "Long Time Comin" is being advertised as "never before released", a blatant lie. It is the same 60min program that came out in 1990 on VHS and cable TV. No extras, nuthin'. Yeah, my 18 bucks went up in smoke, but then, I guess everybody's been burned. "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > A co-worker brought in a hard drive with dozens of Grateful Dead shows. > Almost accidently, it also had some CSN / CSNY shows on it. In 72, they > were doing mostly acoustic stuff. Stills seemed happy enough. > > The 74 show would have been around the time I saw them at Buffalo New York's > Rich Stadium. As I recall promoter Bill Graham said Stills wasn't happy > with his guitar sound yet. (subtext: Stills won't come out on time.) Bill > Graham said, "He wants it to sound JUST RIGHT for you." (cheers and > applause) Remember stadium shows? Wow, what a bad idea that was! > > Anyway, in 74 they had a conga player and a real band. Steven was > obviously... not... feeling well but it didn't hamper his ability to play > guitar one bit. Kinda strange. > > Half of the songs were... not... pitch-perfect. I don't think they had > proper monitors. Paz, is it possible that Bill Graham didn't set them up > with competent monitors so they could hear their harmonies? > > Although it was a sound-board recording, it might have been converted and > re-converted too many times. The audio quality was really bad, even at > work. If anyone is still reading, here's the real news: Some of the tracks > had an uncredited but unmistakably familiar female vocal on them, enhancing > the high harmonies. Sometimes, I don't think Joni could hear herself > either. Maybe there was something in the (bong) water? Does anyone have a > tree-worthy cassette or CD-R from CSNY in 1974 which includes our genius as > a background vocalist? > > All the best, > Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:00:48 -0500 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: hello again I used to post here fairly frequently (well maybe not all that frequently). But some of you might remember me. A lot of changes have happened since then, including moving, etc. Just wondering if this gets through. I've tried before with no luck. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 12:36:38 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: revisiting Joni's choice Mags>Joni felt she had no choice but to surrender her baby girl. Keeping her was not an option that she could sort out. Joni was "penniless" and felt that she did not/would not have had the acceptance or support from her parents.< I believe this decision of Joni's & Mags is one of the most loving, selfless acts imaginable. To give up your flesh & blood to another person because you know that baby will have a better chance at a better life. Parenthood requires so many sacrifices & this is one of the most loving & heartbreaking all mixed together. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 12:40:54 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni's Starbucks CDs now avail online Hmmmm... interesting choices considering some of our past conversations re 'who is coyote' & 'who is blue'... 5.Coyote, SELECTED BY ROBBIE ROBERTSON 7.Blue, SELECTED BY GRAHAM NASH ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:00:31 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Joni's Starbucks CDs now avail online I want to know why Robbie Robertson gets 2 choices AND why one of his choices, "Raised on Robbery" is one he plays on? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Kate Bennett Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 3:41 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni's Starbucks CDs now avail online Hmmmm... interesting choices considering some of our past conversations re 'who is coyote' & 'who is blue'... 5.Coyote, SELECTED BY ROBBIE ROBERTSON 7.Blue, SELECTED BY GRAHAM NASH ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:06:36 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Starbucks CDs now avail online Ha! Very interesting indeed, Kate. Thanks for pointing that out. Here we go again... I'm still in the Shepherd camp on "Coyote," but the jury is still out on "Blue" for me. I'll have to submit the Nash selection as Exhibit A. - -Julius kate writes: > Hmmmm... interesting choices considering some of our past conversations re > 'who is coyote' & 'who is blue'... > > 5.Coyote, SELECTED BY ROBBIE ROBERTSON > 7.Blue, SELECTED BY GRAHAM NASH ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 21:47:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: Joni references Shakespeare/Joni Party Hi Eaddy and Donna Yes there are various sprinklings of Shakespeare's work throughout Joni's lyrics from the '60s to the '90s. From 'That Song About The Midway' Joni references Romeo and Juliet in her 'And you stood out like a ruby/In a black man's ear.' with Romeo's lamenting in Act 1 ScV O, she doth teach the torches to burn bright! It seems she hangs upon the cheek of night Like a rich jewel in an Ethiope's ear; Beauty too rich for use, for earth too dear! And I think in 'Borderline' there's a direct lifting of Hamlet in the lines, 'Good or bad we think we know/As if thinking makes things so!' In Act2 ScII of Hamlet, Hamlet is being 'investigated' by his former friends Rosencrantz and Guildenstern and he is out witting them. In this exchange he asks if they think that the world is a prison and that Denmark is also a prison but they think it's a good one.To which is reply is:'Why, then, 'tis none to you; for there is nothing/either good or bad, but thinking makes it so: to me it is a prison.' Quite a quick re-working of a line but it's there. Talk To Me has other R&J and Hamlet references, to which she says 'I stole that from Willy The Shake' The line 'COnstant as the Northern Star' happens to be the last major speech in Julius Caesar before he gets stabbed in the Forum. Ah this has been an interesting project... I'm sure there are more direct liftings and I would love to hear the COmplete Shakespeare to get it joined to Joni, just to see where it is from. Much Joni Jamie Zoob --- Donna Binkley wrote: > > Joni also references Shakespeare in "Talk to Me" > from Don Juan's > Reckless Daughter, a great album IMO. > And there may be other references I can't think of > or don't know. > > Come on Joniphiles help us out here! > > Donna from TX > > > > I work at a private school in Vermont and I almost > always get some > response when I toss out a reference to Joni. A > workshop weekend with > > colleagues took on a "hexagram of the heavens" theme > -- we were seeing > > them everywhere and wondering just what in the heck > that false alarm > was, for two whole days. (I still don't know what it > is. . . good topic > > for the party, or the list, perhaps.) > > I was in the office the other day, preparing for > class, when I came > across the lines in Shakespeare's Caesar "I am as > constant as the > northern star . . . ." I was so psyched that I > called out to the group > > of parents, staff and teachers "Joni? You know Joni? > Listen to this!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:46:30 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Joni's Starbucks CDs now avail online Julius wrote: > I'm still in the Shepherd camp on > "Coyote," but the jury is > still out on "Blue" for me. I agree about "Coyote," Julius, especially after Wally's thorough explanation of all the signs that point to Shepherd, including the fact that he and Joni have birthdays two days apart in November -- e.g., "two days on your tail." But if it's for or about anyone at all, I think "Blue" is for Graham. She is singing a sort of goodbye to him while referencing the love affair she has begun with James. Exhibit A: Blue, songs are like tattoos You know Ive been to sea betore Crown and anchor me Or let me sail away Hey blue, here is a song for you Ink on a pin Underneath the skin An empty space to fill in Well therere so many sinking now Youve got to keep thinking You can make it thru these waves Acid, booze, and ass Needles, guns, and grass Lots of laughs, lots of laughs Everybodys saying that hells the hippest way to go Well I dont think so But Im gonna take a look around it though Blue, I love you Blue, here is a shell for you Inside youll hear a sigh A foggy lullaby There is your song from me No other interpretation put forward here makes sense to me, as someone who knows far more about this woman than he ever intended to. - --Smurf, wondering where the weekend went ... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:57:01 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni in WORD William Waddell wrote: > Joni's on the cover of the March edition of WORD - 11 page spread but > nothing new to report in it. She does, however, get mentions > throughout the issue - in the Rufus bit, the Francoise Hardy > interview re Dylan and the 'Who does Joe Brown's daughter listen to?' > snippet. Have a swell weekend. > WtS Is anyone going to transcribe this for the website or can somebody possible get a copy of it to me somehow? I am very interested in seeing this article. Also, does anyone know how long Word has been in circulation? Mark E. in Seattle? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 17:10:27 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Joni's Starbucks CDs now avail online Smurf >But if it's for or about anyone at all, I think "Blue" is for Graham. She is singing a sort of goodbye to him while referencing the love affair she has begun with James.< I agree with you that there is a strong likelihood that this song was for graham & as a goodbye (& when I next see you in person I will tell you more of why I think so :~} ) I hadn't ever noticed the reference to james but since you mention it, now yes... I can clearly see it... ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #54 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)