From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #53 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, February 20 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 053 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni i'view on Rhino website [Mark-Leon Thorne ] A Feast of Banquets [Bob Muller ] revisiting Joni's choice [mags h ] Joni's Starbucks CDs now avail online [Randy Remote ] Re: Hey, But that Joni Starbucks CD! [Catherine McKay ] Re: Hey, But that Joni Starbucks CD! [Phyliss ] Re: CSN in 72 / 74 [Doug ] Re: CSN in 72 / 74 [JRMCo1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:25:00 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni i'view on Rhino website Did anyone catch Joni's Australian connection? One of her teachers in the 6th grade was an Australian guy who told Joni not to copy because it would kill her imagination. Did anyone catch his name or where he was from in Australia? Mark in Sydney. NP Was (Not Was) - Somewhere In America There's a Street Named After My Dadf. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:11:22 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni i'view on Rhino website --- Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Did anyone catch Joni's Australian connection? One > of her teachers in > the 6th grade was an Australian guy who told Joni > not to copy because > it would kill her imagination. Did anyone catch his > name or where he > was from in Australia? > > Mark in Sydney. That was Mr. Kratzman, "who taught me to love words." There are many articles on him at the jmdl library. Just go here: http://www.jmdl.com/library/ and do a text search on "Kratzman". Here's an early one: http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=793 ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 06:44:14 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: A Feast of Banquets David Henderson wrote: Quite the opposite, David...there are MANY recordings of it. The '83 WTRF tour that featured the electrified revisions of Banquet, Song For Sharon, and others was heavily bootlegged, and lots of shows are in circulation. Mannfred Mann's Earth Band did a cover of Banquet, which was not exactly Led Zeppelin but was a tad more upbeat than the FTR recording. They changed some of the lyrics around as well. Led Zeppelin did cover "Woodstock" on their 1975 tour, and a recording of that is in our collection. Bob Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 09:50:47 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: revisiting Joni's choice To clarify, I have heard Joni say that she had no choice but to surrender Kelly Green. I don't hear her say she was a victim in this. What I do hear is a soulful expression of excrutiating pain. Like white flags of winter chimneys, waving truce against the moon, she holds up her pain from that experience as her truth. She surrenders. This is the point I'm trying to make, Joni's truth is that she had no choice. From a distant shore of "rational, logical thought", one might see that there was a "choice" ... either Joni "chooses" to keep the baby, or she gives her up .. pretty "simple" from that point of view. However, as Joni has said, 1965 was a very different landscape from the "now" that we live in. For her own reasons, the ones she has made public, the ones she has not, Joni felt she had no choice but to surrender her baby girl. Keeping her was not an option that she could sort out. Joni was "penniless" and felt that she did not/would not have had the acceptance or support from her parents. Given the pressure to "do the right thing", from doctors, nurses, the nuns, the social atmosphere of 1965, no wonder she did what she did. Sure, we can site all kinds of cases from that time, however, this does not change Joni's reality. It was a brave thing for me to disclose that I've been in a similar situation, which is in part, why I feel as strongly about this topic. I relate to her journey, her experience, the path that Joni walked and continues to walk. It's a fine line, a tight rope, hovering over a dangerous precipice. To take a stainless steel scalpel and peel away all the layers, the raw and ragged edges, to put forth that it's a done deal, to say that Joni had a choice, is to discount the magnitude of what she went through. We may never know "exactly" what Joni thought, felt, went through, or anyone else for that matter, but rest assured, what I "can" do is express, with a great deal of (com)passion and knowing from that place of experience, the sheer razor sharp hell of facing such a "choice". I write this with the utmost respect for all of the thoughts, opinions and tender feelings which have been expressed, carefully rendered upon these pages by others. I'm not attacking anyone else's thought process, I am giving expression to my own reactions. It is my intention to offer an alternate way of seeing. Most of all, I am grateful for all of the posts on this subject as they have helped to inform and clarify how I feel about this. Thank you for propelling me to express my thoughts, just so. Mags np: silence Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:00:27 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Joni's Starbucks CDs now avail online You can now order them from Starbucks/Hear Music for $15 & $13 at: (Artists Choice CD) http://www.starbucks.com/hearmusic/product.asp?category%5Fname=Artists+Choice&product%5Fid=JONI&artist=Joni+Mitchell Intro page has nice pic: http://www.starbucks.com/hearmusic/artist.asp?category%5Fname=Artists+Choice&artist=Joni+Mitchell ("Songs Chosen By Her Friends & Fellow Musicians") http://www.starbucks.com/hearmusic/product.asp?category%5Fname=Opus+Collections&product%5Fid=JoniOpus As mentioned previously, they only ship orders to the United States and Canada, excluding Quebec, Puerto Rico and Guam. If your shipping is a PO Box they hit you for $8.50 shipping, UPS is $5. I am willing to help those outside of US & Canada to get these, contact me off list. The track listings are: Artists Choice 1.Clair de Lune from Suite Bergamasque, PHILIPPE ENTREMONT 2.Subtle Lament, DUKE ELLINGTON AND HIS ORCHESTRA 3.Solitude, BILLIE HOLIDAY 4.It Never Entered My Mind, MILES DAVIS 5.Jeeps Blues, DUKE ELLINGTON AND HIS ORCHESTRA 6.Harlem In Havana, JONI MITCHELL 7.Saturday Night Fish Fry, LOUIS JORDAN 8.Johnny B. Goode, CHUCK BERRY 9.Third World Man, STEELY DAN 10.Night Bird, DEEP FOREST 11.The First Twilight, DEEP FOREST 12.Les Trois Cloches (The Three Bells), EDITH PIAF 13.At Last, ETTA JAMES 14.Lonely Avenue, RAY CHARLES 15.Trouble Man, MARVIN GAYE 16.Sweetheart Like You, BOB DYLAN 17.Stories Of The Street, LEONARD COHEN 18.You Get What You Give, NEW RADICALS Songs Chosen By Her Friends & Fellow Musicians 1.For Free, SELECTED BY DAVID CROSBY 2.A Case of You, SELECTED BY PRINCE 3.Free Man in Paris, SELECTED BY BOB DYLAN 4.For the Roses, SELECTED BY ELVIS COSTELLO 5.Coyote, SELECTED BY ROBBIE ROBERTSON 6.Raised on Robbery, SELECTED BY ROBBIE ROBERTSON 7.Blue, SELECTED BY GRAHAM NASH 8.Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire, SELECTED BY DONALD FAGEN OF STEELY DAN 9.A Strange Boy, SELECTED BY SEAL 10.Black Crow, SELECTED BY KD LANG 11.God Must Be A Boogie Man, SELECTED BY WALTER BECKER OF STEELY DAN 12.Two Grey Rooms, SELECTED BY CHAKA KHAN 13.Both Sides Now (orchestral version), SELECTED BY HERBIE HANCOCK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:31:46 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Hey, But that Joni Starbucks CD! This I found in Entertainment Weekly, 2/25/05 issue: (I'll excerpt the good parts): (Referring to the Grammy-winning Ray Charles' "Genius Loves Company," placed in S'bucks): "... through prominent counter placement and perpetual in-store display, helped drive sales of the release ... to more than 2 million ..." "You have to proactively [God, I hate that "word"] assess the consumer -- especially the adult consumer." "Tina Turner who partnered with Starbucks for her greatest hits CD ... notched her a No. 2 debut, the highest chart ranking of her career." Hey, this could really be a huge boon to Joni. Oh, wait. Then will everyone like her and we won't have our special artist all to ourselves anymore? Somehow I doubt the general public has the taste for her. But the Starbucks I went to last night had several prominent displays and the little cards stuck around reviewing Joni's career. Their graphics people really do a bang-up job in my opinion. Funny, the counter guy asked me repeatedly if I wanted a coffee. Hey, buster, I'm buyin' $30 worth of CD's here. That will help your bottom line more than a $3 cup of coffee! Enjoy your day. Ours here is rainy and windy. So much for Southern California sun! Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 17:45:04 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hey, But that Joni Starbucks CD! --- Lindsay Moon wrote: > Hey, this could really be a huge boon to Joni. Oh, > wait. Then will > everyone like her and we won't have our special > artist all to ourselves > anymore? Somehow I doubt the general public has the > taste for her. It seems to me that enough people like Joni well enough to recognize the name and that they would buy a greatest hits CD at Starbucks. Are they cheaper than regular CDs would be? I haven't gone to my neighbourhood Sbucks yet, because I have an irrational phobia of the place. Maybe it's because they're so prolific. Maybe it's because they can't just have small, medium and large like everyone else, but have to give them those precious other names. But something about Starbucks raises my hackles and make me believe it's just.... evil... for some reason. > Funny, the > counter guy asked me > repeatedly if I wanted a coffee. Hey, buster, I'm > buyin' $30 worth of CD's > here. That will help your bottom line more than a > $3 cup of coffee! They should throw in a free coffee with every purchase. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:01:11 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: CSN in 72 / 74 A co-worker brought in a hard drive with dozens of Grateful Dead shows. Almost accidently, it also had some CSN / CSNY shows on it. In 72, they were doing mostly acoustic stuff. Stills seemed happy enough. The 74 show would have been around the time I saw them at Buffalo New York's Rich Stadium. As I recall promoter Bill Graham said Stills wasn't happy with his guitar sound yet. (subtext: Stills won't come out on time.) Bill Graham said, "He wants it to sound JUST RIGHT for you." (cheers and applause) Remember stadium shows? Wow, what a bad idea that was! Anyway, in 74 they had a conga player and a real band. Steven was obviously... not... feeling well but it didn't hamper his ability to play guitar one bit. Kinda strange. Half of the songs were... not... pitch-perfect. I don't think they had proper monitors. Paz, is it possible that Bill Graham didn't set them up with competent monitors so they could hear their harmonies? Although it was a sound-board recording, it might have been converted and re-converted too many times. The audio quality was really bad, even at work. If anyone is still reading, here's the real news: Some of the tracks had an uncredited but unmistakably familiar female vocal on them, enhancing the high harmonies. Sometimes, I don't think Joni could hear herself either. Maybe there was something in the (bong) water? Does anyone have a tree-worthy cassette or CD-R from CSNY in 1974 which includes our genius as a background vocalist? All the best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 18:06:04 -0500 From: Phyliss Subject: Re: Hey, But that Joni Starbucks CD! Ha! There is a popular bumper sticker around Asheville that says "Friends don't let Friends buy Starbucks" Phyliss Catherine McKay wrote: >I haven't gone to my >neighbourhood Sbucks yet, because I have an irrational >phobia of the place. Maybe it's because they're so >prolific. Maybe it's because they can't just have >small, medium and large like everyone else, but have >to give them those precious other names. But something >about Starbucks raises my hackles and make me believe >it's just.... evil... for some reason. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:47:05 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: CSN in 72 / 74 Joni is definitely on track 9 of this recording. Unfortunately most of the between-song banter has been edited out and the sound quality is not-so-good. I believe she was the opening act. The show you have might be Wembley Arena, London - 14 Sept. 1974. there is a video (VCD) of it that I'm looking for. Doug CSNY Greek Theater L.A. Aug. 26 1969 1) Suite Judy Blue Eyes 2) Blackbird 3) Helplessly Hoping 4) Guinevere 5) My Lady Of The Island 6) Black Queen 7) Birds 8) I've Loved Her So Long 9) You Don't Have To Cry 10) So Begins The Task 11) Pre-road Downs 12) Long Time Gone 13) Bluebird 14) Sea Of Madness 15) Wooden Ships 16) Down By The River Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: >A co-worker brought in a hard drive with dozens of Grateful Dead shows. >Almost accidently, it also had some CSN / CSNY shows on it. In 72, they >were doing mostly acoustic stuff. Stills seemed happy enough. > >The 74 show would have been around the time I saw them at Buffalo New York's >Rich Stadium. As I recall promoter Bill Graham said Stills wasn't happy >with his guitar sound yet. (subtext: Stills won't come out on time.) Bill >Graham said, "He wants it to sound JUST RIGHT for you." (cheers and >applause) Remember stadium shows? Wow, what a bad idea that was! > >Anyway, in 74 they had a conga player and a real band. Steven was >obviously... not... feeling well but it didn't hamper his ability to play >guitar one bit. Kinda strange. > >Half of the songs were... not... pitch-perfect. I don't think they had >proper monitors. Paz, is it possible that Bill Graham didn't set them up >with competent monitors so they could hear their harmonies? > >Although it was a sound-board recording, it might have been converted and >re-converted too many times. The audio quality was really bad, even at >work. If anyone is still reading, here's the real news: Some of the tracks >had an uncredited but unmistakably familiar female vocal on them, enhancing >the high harmonies. Sometimes, I don't think Joni could hear herself >either. Maybe there was something in the (bong) water? Does anyone have a >tree-worthy cassette or CD-R from CSNY in 1974 which includes our genius as >a background vocalist? > >All the best, >Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:00:17 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: CSN in 72 / 74 > Does anyone have a > tree-worthy cassette or CD-R from CSNY in 1974 which includes our genius as > a background vocalist? > > All the best, > Jim > Not I. But I've got the original tour poster, I think. Check that. I gifted it to Paz a few years back. That was the "So Far" tour, wasn't it? Joni did the art for the album of the same name and the same art is reprinted on the poster with the addition of Joan's handwritten tour dates. I know they did Oakland Coliseum that year...hence the Dead connection, maybe. Paz? Look at the poster and please advise, willya? It's probably rolled up in a cylinder somewhere in your studio. After *carefully* unfurling it, frame it (professionally, please) and hang it on the wall...while I'm still young, okay, beatch? :-) - -Julius ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #53 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)