From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #48 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, February 16 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 048 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: JoniFest 2002: Disc4, Saturday #1 ["hell" ] My BeSt tO YoU [Nuriel Tobias ] All-female top 50, just for the hell of it ["Azeem" ] Re: My BeSt tO YoU [Nuriel Tobias ] portrait of jaco - the early years ["ron" ] Re: folksinger ... plus Wally K info [Phyliss ] Re: folksinger ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] Re: folksinger ... not that there's anything wrong with that [Doug ] Re: joni party [Lori Fye ] Re: joni party [Doug ] starbucks cd [Phyliss ] Fresh Air interview ["Music Is Special" ] FW: Two chances to listen to Jonatha live later today!! [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:47:38 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: JoniFest 2002: Disc4, Saturday #1 Jim wrote: > Instead, I've been listening to an entire disc, straight-through after the > day is done. This post is about one JMDL disc. Patti Whitten is a real > songwriter, and this disc barely hints at her ability. Check her out on > CDbaby for the real deal. I must say, Patti's performance of "Good Thing It's Only In My Mind" was about 51st on my list of favourite songs, and only narrowly missed the cut (and only really because I stupidly didn't think of it until after I'd sent the message). I've yet to check out her own releases, but think it's high time I did! That particular Jonifest disc is one of my favourites, too... Hell _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 04:49:40 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: My BeSt tO YoU oh Hello in there friends!:) What do you think about that fart-sounding-like "guitar" by the end of "My Best To You". Does Joni Hates us? Her MOTHER?!...H E RS EL F!?.................................................................. yOURS IN LOVE (U 2 em was only kidding before on that bitchy post off list) Nuriel Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:57:04 -0000 From: "Azeem" Subject: All-female top 50, just for the hell of it These didnt make the top 50: Diaspora - Natacha Atlas Autumn Leaves - Eva Cassidy Deeper & Deeper - Madonna Stratford on Guy - Liz Phair Kitefliers Hill - Eddi Reader Chains - Sally Barker Goodnight Moon - Shivaree Six Underground - Sneaker Pimps Betrayed - Julia Fordham Majesty of Life - Phoebe Snow Man From Mars - Kristen Vigard (a way of sneaking another Joni tune in...) Burning Orange - Rosie Brown Mammas Back Yard - Sandy Dillon On Sunday - Til Tuesday Echo Beach - Martha & the Muffins Some Love - Chaka Khan Mourning Air - Portishead My Lonely Love - Kate St John I Spent My Last Ten Dollars (on Birth Control and Beer) - Two Nice Girls Once in a Very Blue Moon - Nanci Griffith The Look of Love - Dusty Springfield Pull Up to the Bumper - Grace Jones Long Hard Climb - Maria Muldaur Down to Zero - Joan Armatrading And Im Telling You Im Not Going - Jennifer Holiday These were in my first list: Hejira - Joni Mitchell Oh My My - Jane Siberry Aint No Going Back - Annabel Lamb The Sensual World - Kate Bush Who Knows Where The Time Goes? - Fairport Convention (the version from Unhalfbricking) Beside You - Caroline Trettine The Facts About Jimmy - Shawn Colvin No One Could ever Love you More - Aretha Franklin This River - Pooka Giant - Nut If you Dont Come Back - Carmel Poverty Train - Laura Nyro Thinking about Tomorrow - Beth Orton Too Big For Me - Matilde Santing Teardrop - Massive Attack Os Dias Sao A Noite - Madredeus The Great Valerio - Richard & Linda Thompson Titanic Days - Kirsty MacColl Private Life - Pretenders Hidden Place - Bjork We Float - PJ Harvey Why Dya Do It? - Marianne Faithfull Primavera - Robin Holcomb Side of the Road - Lucinda Williams Whales Tales - The Cocteau Twins Azeem in London NP: Garnett Mimms - Look Away PS Coming soon: the all-male top 50, still your beating hearts... - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 14/02/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 08:56:39 -0700 From: Kate Subject: folksinger ... not that there's anything wrong with that > "Famed *folk* singer?" Who writes this stuff, anyway? No kidding. I'm an editor for the Canadian Encyclopedia online, and our bio on Joni calls her a folksinger too. I have written to the music editor and to the associate editor about it, but ... they don't seem to think it necessary to change that one word. Perhaps if they had a flurry of email from other sources ... usually it matters a lot that we get things just right! but in this case they seem to think it only matters to me because I'm a fan of hers. Tsk. Kate du Nord - -- Kate Johnson, subject editor ~ architecture, dance, film, theatre ~ (250) 969-0019 The Canadian Encyclopedia The Historica Foundation of Canada http://www.histori.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 10:26:42 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: folksinger ... plus Wally K info Kate wrote: No kidding. I'm an editor for the Canadian Encyclopedia online, and our bio on Joni calls her a folksinger too. I have written to the music editor and to the associate editor about it, but ... they don't seem to think it necessary to change that one word. Perhaps if they had a flurry of email from other sources ... usually it matters a lot that we get things just right! ME: How can we send that flurry of email, Kate? (END OF Joni content) Also, if anyone in the Boston or New York areas wants to contact Wally while he's enroute to the US, his new email address is << oso1960@gmail.com >> - --Smurf Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:21:06 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: My BeSt tO YoU As in "Kiss my ASS P L U S bLOW mY wIND?! haaaaaaaaaaa=hhaaaaaaaaa! ha! Yours In lOvE and thanks Em for the on-line groupy song for me that said "No Wrooeis Nuri" and you'be even added an "!", so...(Crying a bit on eye left),,,NOT!!!!!!! s,mile Nuriel T. Nuri Nuriel Tobias wrote: oh Hello in there friends!:) What do you think about that fart-sounding-like "guitar" by the end of "My Best To You". Does Joni Hates us? Her MOTHER?!...H E RS EL F!?.................................................................. yOURS IN LOVE (U 2 em was only kidding before on that bitchy post off list) Nuriel Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:46:56 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: portrait of jaco - the early years hi not sure if this has been mentioned here before or not?? just came across this box set at cdbaby (celebrating my reconnection after 4 weeks of fighting with my isp re the "free" modem they billed me r 1,800 for!!) from the blurb: " As a fitting tribute, Portrait also includes classic recordings and exclusive interviews with Grammy award winning artists Pat Metheny, Joni Mitchell, Joe Zawinul, and Herbie Hancock. For the first time these accomplished veterans look back at their associations with Jaco and provide valuable insight into their historical collaborations. " you can listen to joni explaining how she originally got in touch with jaco ( a friend who thought they were both weird ), before it goes into a brief section of refuge of the roads there's also a song listed as " 12. Amelia -JP original (CC.Rdrs) " is that the amelia we know??? ron (celebrating my reconnection after 4 weeks of fighting with my isp re the "free" modem they billed me r 1,800 for!!) np - if you were mine - woodchuck ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 15:13:52 -0500 From: Phyliss Subject: Re: folksinger ... plus Wally K info Ha! This new artist we saw this weekend, Julie Loyd, did a monologue that went something like... "In case you didn't know, I'm a folksinger. The way you can tell is, I'm a girl, and I'm playing a guitar". I turned to my step-son and said "Joni would have something to say about that, for sure" LOL Phyliss Smurf wrote: >Kate wrote: >I'm an editor for the Canadian Encyclopedia online, and our bio >on Joni calls her a folksinger too. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:58:06 -0500 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: folksinger Here's what Joni says about being called a "folksinger": John Major: That's the title track from Joni Mitchell's new album "Night Ride Home." Over the years, critics have referred to Joni as a folksinger. That label has bothered her in the past. But lately, she's come to terms with it. JM: I've done some thinking about it. I asked myself why I was so offended by that title. There was a book auction last year or the year before -- time goes so quickly, I'm not certain now. And I forget what the organization was. But these books were raffled off. We were to pick a book that was important to us, a book that we loved in hardback version, and we were to sign it and it was auctioned off and Jane Siberry auctioned a book and so did Leonard and so did I. Leonard Cohen was listed in the program as a poet. Jane Siberry was listed, I believe, as a pop composer. And I was listed as a folksinger. And I found that offensive. You know, I thought Canada doesn't really understand me, my talent. Because I entered the game there as a folksinger, singing folk songs. The moment I crossed the border into the United States, I began to write my own music. My music has roots in classical music. The harmony that came out of my playing in open tunings, of which I have about 45 now, modalities, almost like Eastern ragas, and the internal harmonies that I heard, harmony being a depiction of your internal emotion, my emotions internally being quite complex. Never is my joy completely joyous, there is always a thread of dissonance running through it. The dissonance today is the black oil washing up on Middle Eastern shores, and there's always a dissonance, especially if you think a lot. So my joy is always against a backdrop of a world in trouble. So the chords are more complex than simple emotions. Pop music likes its happiness major and its tragedy minor and perhaps a blue note here and there. I think if I'm a folksinger, then Marvin Gaye was a folksinger; Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young are folksingers. If I'm a folksinger, everything is folk music. http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=729 Quoting Phyliss : > Ha! This new artist we saw this weekend, Julie Loyd, did a monologue > that went something like... > "In case you didn't know, I'm a folksinger. The way you can tell is, > I'm a girl, and I'm playing a guitar". I turned to my step-son and > said "Joni would have something to say about that, for sure" > LOL > Phyliss > > Smurf wrote: > > >Kate wrote: > >I'm an editor for the Canadian Encyclopedia online, and our bio > >on Joni calls her a folksinger too. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 21:03:58 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: folksinger ... not that there's anything wrong with that I think in the consciousness of the General Canadian Public, Joni was well known as a rising "folksinger" star in 1967-1968 Then she disappeared to far off places and was not heard from much again (in person). She played in Ottawa in 1969 when I was 12, and didn't return 'til 1998 with some guy named Bob Dylan in one of those overblown mega-stadium events that I can't stand. I didn't see either show. I did "see" her with Bob's Rolling Thunder Review in Montreal from the back of the Montreal Forum. They looked like ants on stage, but I digress. I saw Dylan in 1992 in Ottawa with the Neville Brothers, Joe Cocker, and Michelle Shocked. Bob was the worst. If his name wasn't Bob Dylan he would have been booed off stage, he was so bad. (imho). But I digress again. In the '70s When Canadian singer-songwriters like Gord Lightfoot, Murray Mclauglan, Bruce Cockburn were celebrated here, Joni was somewhere else. Even Stompin' Tom Conners got more press. (not that I dislike Stompin' Tom). So if Joni is thought of here as a "folksinger", it's her own fault for being absent for so long. Looking at Simon's excellent Chronology I see that out of 463 appearances from 1970 to 2000, only 42 were in Canada. Joni we hardly know ye! Rant over and out Doug Kate wrote: >>"Famed *folk* singer?" Who writes this stuff, anyway? >> >> > >No kidding. I'm an editor for the Canadian Encyclopedia online, and our bio >on Joni calls her a folksinger too. I have written to the music editor and >to the associate editor about it, but ... they don't seem to think it >necessary to change that one word. Perhaps if they had a flurry of email >from other sources ... usually it matters a lot that we get things just >right! but in this case they seem to think it only matters to me because I'm >a fan of hers. Tsk. > >Kate du Nord > >-- >Kate Johnson, subject editor >~ architecture, dance, film, theatre ~ >(250) 969-0019 > The Canadian Encyclopedia >The Historica Foundation of Canada >http://www.histori.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:19:47 -0500 From: eaddy sutton Subject: joni party I am thinking about hosting another Joni party and would like to get some new ideas. All you have to do is ask "Joni Mitchell?" and a fourth of the people in any room will start to babble and swoon, and you know it's time for a party. It has been since college, but in the past the evening went like: Albums and photos around the room, STSG playing in the backround as people arrive First session is "witnessing" that first Joni moment--what song, how old, where you were, etc. Then a go around with favorite songs and/or lines. (I'll always remember my dear friend talking about her line: "We love our love'n, but not like we love our freedom." I never knew that about her.) Then we get into it with a Circle Game Debate. In my experience, the Joni world is divided by those who love or hate this song; then there are those of us who hate it even though it moves us to tears. Embarrassing, regrettable cheese, or precious, poignant poetry? One of the videos rounds out the party -- is there anything better than WOHAM? Any ideas for a Joni themed party would be welcome as I feel the potential gathering. Flame Wars? Eaddy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:46:25 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: joni party > I am thinking about hosting another Joni party and would like to get > some new ideas. All you have to do is ask "Joni Mitchell?" and a > fourth of the people in any room will start to babble and swoon, and > you know it's time for a party. A fourth of the people will start to babble and swoon? Where are you that you're so lucky to be surrounded by these people?? I wanna be there too! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:07:53 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: joni party In my experience it's more like one in a hundred. I have one friend (male) who was visibly upset at the mere mention of her name. (probably a sign of some deep psychological problems.) Doug eaddy sutton wrote: > All you have to do is ask "Joni Mitchell?" and a fourth of the people > in any room will start to babble and swoon, and you know it's time for > a party. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:40:54 -0500 From: Phyliss Subject: starbucks cd Has anybody heard anything about the Joni starbucks cd(s) that were supposed to come out today? I don't see anything on the website yet.... inquiring minds need to know! Phyliss ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:35:49 -0600 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: Fresh Air interview Perhaps this was already discussed but I finally got time to listen to the Fresh Air interview. In it Joni twice says "when my daughter WAS TAKEN FROM ME" (I added the caps). I had the impression from Karen's book that Joni put her baby up for adoption. If Karen is correct than I regard this quote as a very interesting insight into Joni given the self-delusion implied by that. Or if Karen is not correct, then there is more to the story than we know so far. Can somebody set me straight? I'm glad in the interview that Joni was so proud of her Geffen work. I agree with her that is really good stuff (I like it more than the pre-Heijira stuff) eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:09:01 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: FW: Two chances to listen to Jonatha live later today!! Shit I missed this. Did anyone catch it??? Paz - ------ Forwarded Message From: webmaster@jonathabrooke.com Reply-To: webmaster@jonathabrooke.com Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:21:57 -0800 To: webmaster@jonathabrooke.com Subject: Two chances to listen to Jonatha live later today!! Just in..... Tonight, Jonatha performs at the The Bedford in London, England. The Bedford offers a live webcast, so you can see and hear Jonatha perform in real time. Webcast begins at 8:30pm (GMT). She will perform two songs between 9-10pm (GMT) and then two more after 10pm (GMT), so stay tuned! (for those of you in the US, this means start watching at 4pm EST, 1pm PST) Go to http://www.thebedford.co.uk/ and click on live webcast. Also.... On BBC London radio tonight, Jonatha will be interviewed by Tony Moore at 2am GMT (9pm EST and 6pm PST). If you are in London, that's 94.9 FM on your radio dial. Online listeners, go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/ and click on Listen Now. BBC London takes callers from around the world so don't be shy! Jonatha would love to hear from you so listen carefully for that call in number!! ENJOY!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This email is sent to you because you are a registered member at http://www.jonathabrooke.com/ for the Jonatha Brooke Discussion Board/Email List. 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I had the impression from Karen's book that > Joni > put her baby up for adoption. If Karen is correct than I regard this > quote > as a very interesting insight into Joni given the self-delusion > implied by > that. Or if Karen is not correct, then there is more to the story > than we > know so far. Can somebody set me straight? > > I' I would understand that someone who has lost a child would use various word phrases to describe it, not as factual, but as emotional accuracies. "when my daughter was taken from me..." can mean "... by circumstances over which I had no control, where I had to give her away for her best interest." Those of us - and I mean us, myself included - who have lost children in whatever way usually can only speak in small fragments of what we mean when we talk about it because the fullness of emotion and fact becomes too long and too heavy. I lost my kids to spousal kidnapping twice, and then after a long court fight in which the issue was I was the gay adoptive parent, and that was all it took to deny me my children. Like Joni, I have a relationship with the grandchildren, although unlike her, mine is not through my child but through the other parent of the grandchildren. When Joni, as I do, speaks of these things, it is only in partial pieces, because to speak of the whole takes too long and gets too depressing so strand-in phrases are used, not always consistently. Vince ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #48 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)