From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #45 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, February 13 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 045 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- joni on demonoid [colin ] Joni video on Yahoo Search [Bob Muller ] Re: joni on demonoid [Catherine McKay ] Re: Carly Torch now Paprika Plains [Catherine McKay ] RE: Carly Torch now Paprika Plains ["David Henderson" ] Re: joni on demonoid [tantra_apso ] RE: Carly Torch now Paprika Plains [Catherine McKay ] RE: goat dance NOW: masking tape and ice cream castles ["Lama, Jim L'Homm] Re: flowery critiquing ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: flowery critiquing ["David Henderson" ] RE: goat dance NOW: masking tape and ice cream castles [Catherine McKay <] Re: State of the List now JC [Phyliss ] Re: flowery critiquing [colin ] RE: goat dance NOW: masking tape and ice cream castles ["Lama, Jim L'Homm] Favorite Carole King Songs ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Favorite Carole King Songs ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:15:35 +0000 From: colin Subject: joni on demonoid Ther are now quite a few Joni works on Demonoid, inc the Hissing demos, fret series, the gene autry theatre stuff and more. Nothing to do with me, just saw them there and thought you might be interested. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 06:39:42 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni video on Yahoo Search Hey all, and Happy Saturday!! Yahoo is Beta-testing their newest search feature - video! I just typed in "Joni Mitchell" and got 23 hits. Bob NP: Joni, "Raised On Robbery" (from Shadows & Light video) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:43:41 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni on demonoid --- colin wrote: > Ther are now quite a few Joni works on Demonoid, inc > the Hissing demos, > fret series, the gene autry theatre stuff and more. > Nothing to do with me, just saw them there and > thought you might be > interested. > > Colin, what is Demonoid? Is it a website? Are they selling these things (grrr)? Is it a file-sharing site? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 09:49:24 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Carly Torch now Paprika Plains --- David Henderson wrote: > PS Can you believe someone put Dancin' Clown on > their Top 50? What's next? > Paprika Plains? You've Changed? > You don't like Paprika Plains? Many of us do. Would it end up on my Top 50? I have no idea, as I have neither the interest nor the inclination to create any list. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:07:17 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: Smurf's list You are such a hoot, Mr. Smurf! I think you should consider producing an album to benefit Alcoholics Anonymous, or would these songs have the opposite effect? I know most people will disagree, but I love Judy Garland's live Over the Rainbow from the Carnegie Hall concert. It's so heartbreaking, yet still somehow hopeful and beautiful. To me, it sort of sums up that monstrously gorgeous life. David >Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:10:55 -0800 (PST) >From: Smurf >Subject: Top 50 -- How do you do it? -- njc >I am enjoying reading these, but I really don't know how you people do it. I think I have some kind of >attention disorder that makes it impossible for me to even attempt this exercise. >For example, my current favorite song is "Lilac Wine" by Jeff Buckley. I can't stop listening to it. But then >I think, would this song stand the test of time for me? Does it deserve to be a top-50 song when I've only >known it for a few weeks? >Then "Lilac Wine" makes me think of other songs about wine or alcohol or even substance abuse, such as "Summer >Wine" by Nancy Sinatra and Lee Hazelwood, which could be a candidate for my top 50. >Or Cole Porter's "I Get a Kick Out of You" by Ethel Merman. >Or "Alcohol" by the Kinks. >Or "One More for My Baby" by Frank Sinatra. >Or "Sunday Morning Coming Down" by Kris Kristopherson. >Or even "Sister Morphine" by the Stones. >Then, of course, there's "A Case of You" and "Twisted." >It just goes on and on. And I don't even drink alcohol anymore. >Anyway, I am enjoying your lists. I think that it's interesting, for example, that so many people have chosen >"Somewhere Over the Rainbow" as a favorite. I like that song too, but then I think: whose version? Israel >>>Kamakawiwo'ole's? Eva Cassidy's? Judy Garland's? If so, which one? The original from "Wizard of Oz" or a later >one? >Se what I mean? >Ai-yi-yi-yi-yi, >- --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:17:03 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: RE: Carly Torch now Paprika Plains No offense intended, but no, I have never liked Paprika Plains. The lyrics are okay (but not her best imho), but the music and especially the arrangement/instrumentation have always sounded . . . I don't know, shrill, amateurish and like fingernails on a blackboard. The orchestration sounds like 70's muzak to me . . . Oddly enough, DJRD is my second favorite album after THOSL . . . I love it! And the song Don Juan's Reckless Daughter is definitely in my top three or four of Joni's song. It's my favorite crank up the volume to ear-piercing power while driving 80 miles an hour road song. To each his own, right? Best, David >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] >>>Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:49 AM >>>To: David Henderson; Joni Mitchell List >>>Subject: Re: Carly Torch now Paprika Plains >>> >>> >>> --- David Henderson wrote: >>>> PS Can you believe someone put Dancin' Clown on >>>> their Top 50? What's next? >>>> Paprika Plains? You've Changed? >>>> >>> >>>You don't like Paprika Plains? Many of us do. Would it >>>end up on my Top 50? I have no idea, as I have neither >>>the interest nor the inclination to create any list. >>> >>> >>>===== >>>Catherine >>>Toronto >>>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>-------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>______________________________________________________________________ >>>Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 07:48:37 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: ice cream castles in the air "Ice cream castles in the air", another example of Joni's ability to paint with words. This is the very shape that clouds take out on the prairie, they hang there, suspended, grand and glorious, sculptures for certain. Smurfadelica...come on out and see for yourself! Just ask Evian, or Kate in Sask....they'll tell you this much is true ;-) Mags looking at those clouds, from both sides, now ;-) np: the prayer cycle, jonathan elias Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 16:36:56 +0000 From: tantra_apso Subject: Re: joni on demonoid Catherine McKay wrote: > --- colin wrote: > > >>Ther are now quite a few Joni works on Demonoid, inc >>the Hissing demos, >>fret series, the gene autry theatre stuff and more. >>Nothing to do with me, just saw them there and >>thought you might be >>interested. >> >> >> >> > >Colin, what is Demonoid? Is it a website? > yes. www.demonoid.com > Is it a file-sharing >site? > > yes - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:57:19 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Carly Torch now Paprika Plains --- David Henderson wrote: > No offense intended, but no, I have never liked > Paprika Plains. The lyrics > are okay (but not her best imho), but the music and > especially the > arrangement/instrumentation have always sounded . . > . I don't know, shrill, > amateurish and like fingernails on a blackboard. > The orchestration sounds > like 70's muzak to me . . . Oddly enough, DJRD is my > second favorite album > after THOSL . . . I love it! And the song Don Juan's > Reckless Daughter is > definitely in my top three or four of Joni's song. > It's my favorite crank > up the volume to ear-piercing power while driving 80 > miles an hour road > song. > > To each his own, right? > > Best, > David > No offense taken. There are times I'd rather edit out most of the orchestral part in the middle. You couldn't take it completely out, because there needs to be time for brooding before the last part (Joni and the listener need some time to float into dreams - but not that much!) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:47:11 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: goat dance dude is Carey! (?) Agreed, sure. One of Joni's supernatural abilties is to simultaneously avoid hitting the meter with sing-song accuracy while making the meter work with inhuman mouthfuls. I think she does it primarily with phrasing but before I jump to any wild conclusions, I intend to spend another 5 or 6 decades in careful study. Lama From: hell [mailto:hell@ihug.co.nz] >Yeah, but two syllables works better than four in that lyric, which it would have been had she said electrical tape - I think that's called "artistic license" ;o)!> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:37:14 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: flowery critiquing COLIN WROTE: >Both have talent, imo, and both bring me much pleasure. I don't compare >them and I don't qualify or quanitfy(?). The beauty of their work is >very much in the ear of the listener and I have little time for poncy >analysis of their works by people who like to try and appear ever so >more intelligent or more sensitive than the rest of us. Either we enjoy >something or we don't. No amount of flowery critiquing will make a jot >of difference. I know I brought this on, and I did not mean to offend you personally because of my intense dislike of this one particular LP. Don't you think part of the "discussion" of art is to spar? I think it's heathly, and I like a good argument. I should have been a lawyer! I know criticism can be painful and/or annoying when it's a negative opinion of something you like, but all in all, I think criticism makes us stop and think more deeply about the art in question. I have always thought that in a world without criticism, most people would barely "glance" at most art. IMHO David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:56:08 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: goat dance NOW: masking tape and ice cream castles I 'get' that one. I'd bet she started with "castles in the air", a cliche for an impossible fantasy. During revision, I'll bet they became "ice cream castles", which complements the childhood metaphor. All the best, Jim Bob Murphy puzzled over, >Now ice cream castles, there's one I just never have gotten. Wouldn't they melt? And how could they just stay up there "in the air."> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 12:06:58 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: flowery critiquing David Henderson wrote: I know criticism can be painful and/or annoying when it's a negative > opinion of something you like, but all in all, I think criticism > makes us stop and think more deeply about the art in question. I > have always thought that in a world without criticism, most people > would barely "glance" at most art. IMHO > Depends on what you call criticism. There's a fine line between criticism and taking cheap shots, imo. Too much of what passes for criticism in the various printed and broadcast media nowadays takes the form of nasty sound bites calcuated to titillate and sound smart, if you ask me. Entertaining yes, but not much value in the way of real criticism. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:51:49 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: RE: flowery critiquing True. Some aim to entertain too much. Some 'rave for pay' here in New York. Some just hate everything for the sake of hating everything like John Simon. And some wield far too much power like The New York Times. Still, they all contribute to the dialogue that encourages us to evaluate or reevalute what's in front of us. In general, I enjoy the battle, the frank and open discussion of music, theatre, etc., on a person level as well in the media. I do wish the media would be more responsible in its presentation, but sometimes it seems that industry is spiraling out of control, if it's not already completely out of control. David >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Mark or Travis [mailto:mark.travis@gte.net] >>>Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 3:07 PM >>>To: David Henderson; Joni Mitchell List >>>Subject: Re: flowery critiquing >>> >>> >>>David Henderson wrote: >>> I know criticism can be painful and/or annoying when it's a negative >>>> opinion of something you like, but all in all, I think criticism >>>> makes us stop and think more deeply about the art in question. I >>>> have always thought that in a world without criticism, most people >>>> would barely "glance" at most art. IMHO >>>> >>> >>>Depends on what you call criticism. There's a fine line between >>>criticism and taking cheap shots, >>>imo. Too much of what passes for criticism in the various >>>printed and broadcast media nowadays >>>takes the form of nasty sound bites calcuated to titillate and >>>sound smart, if you ask me. >>>Entertaining yes, but not much value in the way of real criticism. >>> >>>Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:59:01 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: goat dance NOW: masking tape and ice cream castles Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm willing to bet a whole lotta money that Smurfalicious had his tongue very firmly in his cheek (no! not that one!) when he made his "ice-cream castles" statement. --- "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > I 'get' that one. > > I'd bet she started with "castles in the air", a > cliche for an impossible > fantasy. During revision, I'll bet they became "ice > cream castles", which > complements the childhood metaphor. > > All the best, > Jim > > Bob Murphy puzzled over, > >Now ice cream castles, there's one I just never > have > gotten. Wouldn't they melt? And how could they just > stay up there "in the air."> > ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:23:32 -0500 From: Phyliss Subject: Re: State of the List now JC Sounds like a perfect opportunity to delurk. I'm BaaaaaAAAck! Our move to NC is complete and we are relatively settled so I've been in lurk mode for a few weeks. Glad to see most of the same old crew around. Hello! And hey, I finally move to the right coast and joni-fest gets moved further away. What's up with that? ;-) for the JC... We're getting to know some new neighbors and had a few over for dinner recently. While touring the house they saw (one of) my Joni shrines...4 signed lithos framed large and hung in the stairwell. One proceeded to tell me how she never really cared for Joni that much but recently purchased her "jazz" album (BSN) and just LOVES her voice and singing NOW. For once, someone not lamenting about how she's lost it. Phyliss Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: >Is Mercury in retrograde again? In the past week, Patrick and Ashara have >posted and they're rarely around. Catherine, who's perpetually pinching >pennies, is going to France. We have sunshine in Cincinnati even though it >is February. > >On top of that, the boss is posting. Regularly. Has the Universe gone >wacky? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:24:31 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: flowery critiquing David Henderson wrote: > > >I know I brought this on, and I did not mean to offend you personally >because of my intense dislike of this one particular LP. > you didn't offend me. As I pointed out, my comments wer not about you. I often get off on a tangent by some post or other. > Don't you think >part of the "discussion" of art is to spar? I think it's heathly, and I like >a good argument. > I agree. > I think criticism makes us stop and think more deeply about >the art in question. > Not necesarily. > I have always thought that in a world without >criticism, most people would barely "glance" at most art. IMHO > > > well here we do differ. i fail to see any merit in criticism and have thought for a very long time that being a 'critic' for a living is a waste of a life. Yet here I am being a critic! Still, I hear what iw ant to hear, see what i wish, and read whast and i form my own opinion of all i perceive. i don't need someone else to tell me what i should have percevied. We all percieve differently and that is how it is. We have a huge sculpture in this country called The Angle of The North. i think it is wonderful. The genraly consunsus seems to be that is an eyesore. yet to me I find it moves me in a way i can't descroibe. It is HUGE and made of iron, I think, and stands on a hill somehwere in the northeast, arms spread, looking out at the world. Why ought I to care that others think it is dreadful? Does that mean the feeling it elicits from me is counterfeit or not worthy? I also love that piece of music called Popcorn, it makes me feel. The movie, The Sound Of Music, and that fun song Barbie. To most critics I have heard of, they are crap. So be it. Crap moves me...... - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:43:57 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: goat dance NOW: masking tape and ice cream castles Gees, I apologized off-list. Now I'll apologize publicly. **** For immediate release: **** Mr. L'Hommedieu apologizes for presuming to explain "Both Sides Now" to Bob Murphy. Mr. Murphy's credentials as an expert on Joni's lyrics are beyond reproach. His sly humor is a valued, daily fixture on the JMDL (now that he's over that new-non-smoker thing.) Mr. L'Hommedieu had just arisen from bed, late on Saturday, and was groggy. This is not an excuse for posting recklessly. He admits to being too quick to rush into "Lit class mode" and somehow missed Mr. Murphy's ever-present humo(u)r. To save Les from the embarrassment, he is taking a self-imposed break from the JMDL, effective immediately. He intends to devote more time to his family and in service to the Lord. **** Lama :) np: Ricki Lee Jones' live take on "My Funny Valentine" (on a vinyl EP) courtesy of our Beloved singer-songwriter station, WNKU. From: Catherine McKay >I'm willing to bet a whole lotta money that Smurfalicious had his tongue very firmly in his cheek (no! not that one!) when he made his "ice-cream castles" statement.> --- "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" > I'd bet she started with "castles in the air", a > cliche for an impossible > fantasy. During revision, I'll bet they became "ice > cream castles", which > complements the childhood metaphor. > Bob Murphy puzzled over, > >Now ice cream castles, there's one I just never >> have gotten. Wouldn't they melt? >> And how could they just >> stay up there "in the air.">> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 22:08:04 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Favorite Carole King Songs "Goin' Back," "Wasn't Born to Follow," "Up on the Roof" - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:59 PM To: hell Cc: JMDL Subject: RE: Sherelle's list NJC - now Carole King hell wrote: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:58:13 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Favorite Carole King Songs i think i can hear you stand behind me pocket money i don't believe it what have you got to lose it might as well rain until september dancing with tears in my eyes carry your load high out of time bitter with the sweet directions come down easy that's how thing go down weekdays such sufferin' avenue p after all this time wally ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #45 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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