From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #44 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, February 12 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 044 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Top 50 [RSTM@aol.com] RE: Top 50 ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Top 50 New Radicals ["William Waddell" ] Joni Speaks to JMDL Threads [JRMCo1@aol.com] speaking of Dylan ["Marianne Rizzo" ] CBC 50 Tracks [Doug ] RE: goat dance dude is Carey! (?) ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: goat dance dude is Carey! (?) ["hell" ] WAS: goat dance NOW: masking tape and ice cream castles [Smurf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:00:40 EST From: RSTM@aol.com Subject: Top 50 From deep lurkdom, another list. Regarding choosing a Joni song, I picked River because unlike many of her songs are indelibly her's as a performer, River can be and has been poignantly covered quite well by others. It's a classic without being sappy. But choosing a favorite Joni song is akin to a Sophie's Choice. The rest are highly personal choices, most depressing as hell, but many overlooked masterpieces IMHO. Bacharach featured prominently. 1. Joni Mitchell -- River 2. Diana Reeves -- I Remember 3. Bowie -- Changes 4. Van Morrison -- Fair Play 5. Beatles -- Shebs Leaving Home 6. Neil Young -- Cortez the Killer 7. Will Downing -- I Go Crazy 8. Carpenter -- Superstar 9. Stevie Wonder -- All I Do 10. Jamiroquai -- Alright 11. Doobie Brothers -- You Belong to Me 12. Aretha Franklin -- Until You Come Back to Me 13. John Coltrane -- My Favorite Things 14. Stones -- Wild Horses 15. Bob Marley -- Jamminb 16. Joan Armatrading -- Love and Affection 17. Al Green -- Love and Happiness 18. Bebe and Cece Winan -- Heaven 19. Wynona Judd -- Anyone With Half a Heart 20. Jimi Hendrix -- Hey Joe 21. Bob Dylan -- Tangled up in Blue 22. Leonard Cohen -- Famous Blue Raincoat 23. Loudon Wainwright -- Unrequited to the Nth Degree (Hardy Boys at the YMCA) 24. Tuck and Patti -- Little Wing/Castles Made in Sand 25. REM -- New Test Leper 26. Elvis Costello b God Give me Strength 27. Luther Vandross -- House is Not a Home 28. Dionne Warwick -- Say a Little Prayer 29. Rod Stewart -- Maggie May 30. Marvin Gaye -- Whatbs Going On 31. Los Lobos -- I Got Loaded 32. Dwight Yoakum -- Suspicious Minds 33. Miles Davis b So What 34. Sting b Angel Eyes 35. Police -- Message in a Bottle 36. Paul Simon -- I Know What I Know 37. James Taylor -- Fire and Rain 38. Elton John -- Tiny Dancer 39. Sinatra -- Just the Way You Look Tonight 40. Teddy Pendergrass -- Love TKO 41. World Party -- Is it Like Today? 42. Randy Newman -- I Think Its Going to Rain Today 43. John Prine -- Hello in There 44. Lyle Lovett -- Pontiac 45. Sarah McLachlan -- Building a Mystery 46. Beach Boys -- Good Vibrations 47. Blood, Sweat and Tears -- God Bless the Child 48. Cindy Lauper -- Time After Time 49. Talking Heads -- Psycho Killer 50. Yes -- Roundabout Ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:36:51 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Top 50 Yes! I am so sorry I missed this one! Am I remembering correctly that Joni really liked this group and loved this song as well? I'm pretty sure she did but I forget everything she said about them. I couldn't agree with her more! From what I understand, the group broke up shortly after this song topped the charts. Sherelle Willy the Shake wrote: 45. You Get What You Give-New Radicals ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:25:32 -0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Re: Top 50 New Radicals Sherelle wrote re : 45. You Get What You Give-New Radicals > Am I remembering correctly that Joni really liked this group and loved > this song as well? I'm not sure Sherelle, but for me it's such a driving song (I don't mean for the road) that every time I hear it it uplifts me - never tire of it. I suppose that's what favourite songs are. A lot of the music in my 50 are one-offs - like Streisand whose other work I have never heard, save the odd one here and there. My 50 are songs that evoke bygone times, memories, people, places. Having said that, Joni's music doesn't do that for me - there's no song that makes me think of this moment or that. Actually, I lie. That isn't true. 'Conversation' always reminds me of strumming with Leslie Ross back in the day, circa late 70s. I'd like to think that Joni's musical taste and mine (the JMDLers too) overlap - how can it not? I wonder what Joni's top 50 would be. Sorry to all those who emailed me in a traumatic state re 'Dancin' Clown' for my 50. It really reads; 20 - Hejira, Joni Mitchell. Have a great weekend. WtSx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:17:33 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Joni Speaks to JMDL Threads Sorta. Interesting to me that she discusses "top 50ish" lists, Dylan and folk music in this article published after the McGill U. symposium. Just thought I'd post it in case some of ya'll missed it. There's a photo of her in full academic garb right here: http://www.deeperwants.com/cul1/homeworlds/journal/archives/002868.html Have a great weekend, all! - -Julius From Bernard Perusse, The Montreal Gazette: Finally, there's a good reason for Joni Mitchell's friends to shake their heads and say she's changed: she's Dr. Mitchell now. After receiving her honorary Doctor of Music degree last night, Joni Mitchell urged McGill University music students not to ignore emotion in favour of intellect. Breaking from the solemnity of McGill University's convocation ceremony, where she was awarded an honorary Doctor of Music degree last night, the legendary singer-songwriter adopted a Bugs Bunny voice and said, "From here on in, everybody will have to say, 'Eh, what's up, doc?' " Turning serious, Mitchell spent most of her brief speech urging the graduates of the music faculty to "think about balance in art," and not to ignore music's emotional side in favour of its intellectual content. "The music I like is a balance of opposites," she said. Earlier in the day, at a McGill symposium devoted to her art and music, Mitchell delighted fans by attending the event's closing round-table discussion at Redpath Hall. Meeting well-wishers and media before taking a seat in the front row, she addressed her reason for attending the ceremony: "It's recognition for my total work," she said. "That's why I'm here." Asked whether she likes to talk about her work, she said music is a way of conveying emotion directly. "To put it through the intellectual process does it a disservice, like translating from any language into another language. You lose something in the translation," she said. During the round-table event, performance artist John Kelly, playing a tape of himself doing an impression of the singer, looked down at Mitchell and said, "This is so surreal," drawing hearty laughter from the honouree. She was also visibly delighted by Village Voice critic Greg Tate's reading of his humorous piece "How Black Is Joni Mitchell?" At times, the singer offered comments from her seat, at one point reminiscing about the genesis of Mingus, her 1979 collaboration with jazz giant Charles Mingus, who died before the album was completed. "The first thing he said was, 'You that skinny-ass folk singer,' " Mitchell said. He then informed her that the strings on Paprika Plains were out of tune, she said, and a friendship was born. While talking about a Starbucks compilation she recently put together, Mitchell threw in an impression of Bob Dylan singing Positively 4th Street - a track that didn't make her cut. She also talked about her early days as a folksinger. "The music that I lo ved was very far away from what I was making," she said. "I had a black sense of feel. When I finally did get a band to play my music, it was a jazz band. Then I went into a minority camp, and eventually I lost my airplay. After working with Mingus, I never got played on the radio, but that was a necessary part of my education." If there was a recurring theme at the symposium, it was the impossibility of pigeonholing Mitchell's catalogue, which includes folk, rock, jazz, big-band, worldbeat and orchestral music. There were plenty of minutiae: one 45-minute panel discussion focused exclusively on the 1971 song The Last Time I Saw Richard, with speaker Daniel Sonenberg noting that he had no time to address the song's piano intro. But the academic approach worked for David Ryshpan, a third-year jazz piano performance student at McGill, who said he knew the hits through his parents, but truly discovered Mitchell when he embraced jazz. Ryshpan wrote a big-band arrangement of Mitchell's A Case of You, which was played at last night's ceremonies by the McGill Music Faculty Jazz Orchestra 1, among other tributes arranged by McGill students, with Mitchell listening. "To have my complete deconstruction of a Joni Mitchell tune played for Joni Mitchell is a tremendous honour," Ryshpan said. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 12:05:55 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: speaking of Dylan Yeah, I saw Dylan too on that tour with Joni. . . I am not much of a Dlyan fan, though I am open minded . .I just never gravitated to him. But it's like this: first I see/ hear/ feel Joni. . . (she opens the show) and if you have ever seen someone you love so much. . . . well let's just say that after her performance was over and Dylan came on I had to go out into the lobby and collect myself. . I mean I just didn't want to fill my self up with Dylan when I was somewhat in tears with Joni. Marianne ~~~ ~~~ ~ ~ ~~ ~~~ Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:08:25 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: NJC Speaking of Dylan So, Jerry my dear......I *really* did see Dylan, live and in person, with the wonderful Maggie McNally, when he was touring with Joni. (Why she let him tour with her, I'll never know!) Anyway.....suffice it to say I was in agony, *begging* Maggie (on my bended knees, no less) to not make me stay through such torture. But......Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. She made sit through every note, every squeak, every........well, you get the gist. With apologies (sort of) to all the Dylan lovers, Ashara _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:25:22 -0500 From: Doug Subject: CBC 50 Tracks Joni's on the list again with Big Yellow Taxi. http://www.cbc.ca/50tracks/thelist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:41:53 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: goat dance dude is Carey! (?) Great catch, Brad. I think that trumps my previous best of catching the "masking tape" tangles in "Electricity". Electricians don't use the stuff. Admittedly a small point, Jim From: McMillan Brad [mailto:bradmcmillan@earthlink.net] >Has anybody else been bothered by this line from "This Flight Tonight: "Up go the flaps, down go the wheels..." ? It's a small thing, but when an aircraft is descending, the flaps are extended. So if the wheels are going down, the flaps would be going out too. The only thing I can think of is that, looking out the window, Joni saw the air brakes go up on the top of the wing. The flaps are much larger and on the trailing edge of the wing and extended on approach.> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:49:11 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: [none] Thank you for being YOU joni friends I am so glad to be among sweet people. . . . stardust golden Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 15:48:15 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: goat dance dude is Carey! (?) Jim wrote: > Great catch, Brad. I think that trumps my previous best of catching the > "masking tape" tangles in "Electricity". Electricians don't use > the stuff. Yeah, but two syllables works better than four in that lyric, which it would have been had she said electrical tape - I think that's called "artistic license" ;o)! Hell _________________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 20:19:55 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: WAS: goat dance NOW: masking tape and ice cream castles Hell wrote: > Yeah, but two syllables works better than four in > that lyric, which it would > have been had she said electrical tape - I think > that's called "artistic > license" ;o)! Not to mention the honkin' poetic licence Joni's packing. Sure it's electrical tape, but it's *masking* -- perhaps badly -- the currents it's being used to hide. And this kind of masking tape is difficult to work with: it's not like regular masking tape -- it tangles, it's sticky and black. In any case, what poet would write that the electrical tape tangles and it's sticky and black? Sort of stating the obvious, huh? Joni's choice of words makes sense to me. Now ice cream castles, there's one I just never have gotten. Wouldn't they melt? And how could they just stay up there "in the air." - --Smurf __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:38:55 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Hi Marianne, where you been? have missed ya round these here parts.. Em - -- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > Thank you for being YOU joni friends > > I am so glad to be among sweet people. . . . > > > > > stardust > golden > Marianne > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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