From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #33 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, February 3 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 033 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Starbucks CDs [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: my joni mitchell tribute record [Zachary Scot Johnson ] Conor Oberst on being the next Bob Dylan [Smurf ] DOH! [Smurf ] Re: Conor Oberst on being the next Bob Dylan [Jerry Notaro ] All this talk about MOA ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Goat Dances [Smurf ] Re: Joni serious ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Goat Dances ["McMillan Brad" ] Re: All this talk about MOA [Lori Fye ] "Roberta" musical play update ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Good Friends Demo - Geffen Recordings [Bob Muller ] LOTC review in latest (Jan/Feb) issue of Magnet [Bob Muller ] Roberta Flack ["David Henderson" ] Hejira a blight ["David Henderson" ] Conor Oberst ["David Henderson" ] MOA ["David Henderson" ] Starbucks CDs ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] NO WAY was [RE: Hejira a blight] ["Richard Flynn" Subject: Re: Starbucks CDs Yes, I think you can oorder them from www.starbucks.com and link to the 'stores' and 'hear this' should get you to the link. I'm in need of them as well.... Much Joni Jamie Zoob in London --- joe farrell wrote: > Does anybody know how i can get copies of the > forthcoming Joni Starbucks CDs > in the UK? Is there a Starbucks shop online where i > can mail-order them? > > If not is anybody prepared to buy them for me in the > USA and send them to me > in the UK, i will of course reimburse all costs. > > Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 03:44:16 -0800 (PST) From: Zachary Scot Johnson Subject: Re: my joni mitchell tribute record Hey Bob, Thanks so much for your kind note. I'm having a great time over here in London. I head off to Italy for 10 days this coming week...life is wonderful at the moment. Last night I headed out to Camden Town to hear up and coming singer/ songwriter Mindy Smith at a small club and before she came on the 'Hissing of Summer Lawns' album played in it's entirety loudly in the venue. My girlfriend was with me (and loved her introduction to Mindy, who was fantastic but a little sick so cut her set short) and she's been oddly resistant to Joni, though admits she hasn't yet given her a fair chance and promises to soon, remarked that she liked this album a lot more than the earlier work I tend to most often play of Joni's. She did not, however, like 'Shadows and Light', though I have a feeling it was simply because of the volume of the music, which was quite amazingly loud. Anyways, I was surprised and delighted that an entire Joni cd would be played as warm-up music. Mindy didn't mention Joni as an influence (sighting Dolly Parton, Alison Krauss and Gillian Welch as ones) but I have a feeling she was in on the selection. I haven't yet heard the specific covers you mentioned, but 'Ethiopia' was one that sprang to mind for me to do, as I've always loved that song. I'll freely admit that while I've often tried to give CMIARS chance after chance, I find it difficult to get through that cd and listen to it by far the least of all Joni cd's. I am a big, big fan of the TI album, though, and certainly plan on using a song or two from it. I also respect the opinion of he who wrote me and gracefully said it would be better to do one really strong Joni cover than a half-ass full-length cd just to do a Joni Mitchell cover record. Certainly was never my intention, but I see the point. I actually found myself thinking of a recent Shawn Colvin concert I attended (I love Shawn so much and have seen her a lot now) when she was talking about the TNT tribute she took part in. She mentioned that they really wanted her and Chapin to do the big hits--Big Yellow Taxi and Chelsea Morning--but she balked at the idea and said she would only do that if they let them do 'Amelia' as well. I would love to do some of the more obscure ones. One that I do frequently in solo sets is 'Conversation', which I don't *think* many people have done, though I haven't seen the numbers on the amount of covers you have of that one. Anyways, we'll see what happens. I have to do my second record of originals first, and who knows when the financing of that will come about. Since I've been traveling so much I've had lots of time to write and I hear I may have enough songs at this point for seven or eight records, but I guess one can't really look at that as a bad thing. I wonder if Joni had a similar problem when she first started recording...a fear that you might never catch up and be able to record and release all the songs you've written. Yes, I did see 'Closer'. I was pleased to hear she won the Golden Globe (though I am a huge Meryl Streep fan and my loyalty was with her...quite an impressive feat for Natalie to beat out Meryl, Laura Linney, Cate Blanchet...some of the finest actresses out there) but hear her acceptance speech was quite bizarre. You're right, though...I've actually never seen 'Star Wars', but am willing to bet that 'Closer' was about as far away from it as could be...and good for her for take that risk. Thanks for the kind words, Bob, and others who have written about this project. Hope all is well with you! ~Zach np...'Love (Stand Up)' by Patti Scialfa...love this song a lot... - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Hi Zach, great to hear from you again, and I'm very > excited for all your > upcoming Euro-adventures...wish you all the best > there. > > Of course I flip over any and all Joni covers, and > after all of the positive > feedback I heard about your lovely ACOY cover I'm > anxious to hear whatever > you record. There are some interesting angles to > Joni covers, and it's > definitely a good thing that you can appreciate her > ENTIRE career output and not > just the smaller window that most recording artists > work with. You could put > together a whole 80 minutes worth of Joni songs > that no one has tackled yet! > Certainly lots from the 80's & 90's, even some of > the 70's stuff. After hearing > Holly Near & Cris Williamson's take on Tea Leaf > Prophecy & Teri Lynne > Carrington's Ethiopia, I would be partial to > hearing some earthier and more > natural-sounding arrangements of some of those 80's > songs. > > Any way you go, please keep us posted on what's > going on with you & your > music. > > Speaking of Natalie, have you seen > "Closer"?...definitely not Star Wars. I > was impressed. > > Bob > > NP: Patti Witten, "Another Minute More" (my fave PW > track, definitely > influenced by the song "Hejira" featuring a similar > riff) > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 03:50:45 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: RE: Good Friends Demo - Geffen Recordings Wally Kairuz wrote: I plead ignorance & incompetence, Wally - I've tried a couple of variations on the peer-to-peer thing and never could get it to work. Then on top of that, I've gotten to where I have so much in terms of live stuff that I don't really WANT any more...note this statement does not extend to Joni covers or other Joni stuff. You are right in saying that the 1985 Rock Master Class is a must have, not just for the unplugged DED stuff but for the great interview and the Paprika-like piano improv that Joni performs. Very nice - hopefully this is available on the P2P thingy, I'm certain that the early Joni stuff is. Bob NP: Dusty Springfield, "You've Got A Friend" Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 07:44:30 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Good Friends Demo - Geffen Recordings Now filesharing vljc --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > i heard there was some sort of file trade > on the jmdl, a site where > i could download stuff. how does that work? maybe i > could get the master > class and the 2nd fret stuff that way. i don't have > any of the joni early > material on cd. i know bob muller must know how to > deal with this thing. > Send a private message to Les asking about it and he'll send you the info. I'd forward the info to you but am not sure if I have all of the up-to-date info you need. I'm on the P2P thing but don't know if the Master Class is there. This is one I don't have & would like & I'm on the filesharing thing, so should be able to get it if indeed it is there. I had some problems when I upgraded the filesharing software but most of the bugs are ironed out now. There's a lot of really good stuff there - Joni and loads of other stuff. You could really become addicted to it, so be careful what you ask for! You should have high-speed access, not dialup (you probably could do it with dialup but it would probably take days just to download one file). There's some free software you need to download and install and away you go. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 08:30:19 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Leonard, by the lonely painter Wonderful painting. One of her best. Jerry > A painting of Leonard Cohen by Joni: > > http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/joni.html > > Also, this strange entry from the site: > > I bought a house there for $1,500. I still have it. > All of this sounds very idyllic but it was naive and > because Id never set up a career  what Joni Mitchell > later called the star-stoking machinery  for > myself, by the time the 70s came round and everything > had gotten hard-nosed and materialistic, I got wiped > out. > > Say what? The star WHAT machinery? And "setting up a > career" isn't really what the star-maker machinery is > all about anyway. That story is at: > > http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/qmag.html > > Harumph! > > --Smurf, wearing tube socks with style, and such an > innocent smile > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 06:24:50 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Conor Oberst on being the next Bob Dylan I was reading METRO -- Boston racist and badly written (but free!) commuter newspaper on my way to work this morning -- and I read this about Bright Eyes' Conor Oberst: To critics and fans, he's the next Bob Dylan -- a description that doesn't quite fit, Oberst says. Dylan was the first to essentially sing poetry, Oberst says, "you know ... complex prose." "Once he did that, a lot of people followed suit, and therefore he was able to kind of redefine the way people thought of words and music ... so when they keep hoping for someone to do it again, I always find it strange because that can't really happen again." - --Smurf, thinking he should check out Bright Eyes, and maybe that Dylan guy too if Les ever explains what the big attraction is ... Meet the all-new My Yahoo!  Try it today! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 06:28:11 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: DOH! Sorry, Joni-onlies, for forgetting the no-Joni tag on the post I just sent. I hit SEND and saw the post go flying into cyperspace before I could stop it. - --Smurf Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:46:44 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Conor Oberst on being the next Bob Dylan This boy has certainly hired the right publicist. He is in EVERY magazine the last few weeks. I have tickets to see him in a few weeks. No one heard of Bright Eyes when I got them. I'm leery of anyone being called the next Bob Dylan, or the next Joni, for that matter. Jerry np: Rufus Wainwright - Peach Trees No matter what you say, there is no one else like him. > I was reading METRO -- Boston racist and badly written (but free!) commuter > newspaper on my way to work this morning -- and I read this about Bright Eyes' > Conor Oberst: > > To critics and fans, he's the next Bob Dylan -- a description that doesn't > quite fit, Oberst says. > > Dylan was the first to essentially sing poetry, Oberst says, "you know ... > complex prose." > > "Once he did that, a lot of people followed suit, and therefore he was able to > kind of redefine the way people thought of words and music ... so when they > keep hoping for someone to do it again, I always find it strange because that > can't really happen again." > > --Smurf, thinking he should check out Bright Eyes, and maybe that Dylan guy > too if Les ever explains what the big attraction is ... > Meet the all-new My Yahoo!  Try it today! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:40:25 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Richard, dirges, and Goat Dances Eaddy; I am convinced the Goat Dance reference in Carey is sex. The whole line, you know: "..he did the goat dance very, he gave me back my smile but he kept my camera to sell". Goat=satyr goat 'dance'= sex. He gave her back her smile? come-on! Gotta agree with you to an extent about Hejira. Of course, someone here was extoling the virtues of Leonard Cohen recently. I could never stand to hear Cohen because he sang EVERYTHING in the same minor key monotone, but his words were beautiful. Maybe Joni was stretching with Hejira to see if her words could carry a song? Song for Sharon sounds similar to me but I have always loved the words there too. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "eaddy sutton" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:21 PM Subject: Richard, dirges, and Goat Dances > So sorry I sent along the whole dang thing last time -- thanks for > letting me know of the faux pas. > > A dirge?! Oh Garret, you have wounded me deeply . . . I am at an utter > loss > for words. Okay, I'm over the 'utter loss for words' part now. I think > 'Richard' is such a brilliant, brilliant reflection of one moment in > time, > one flash of clarity - a reflection of that moment when you realize you > have > to resign yourself to the fact that there is no perfect solution to some > situations . . . > > > I must agree with this gentleman regarding the final song on Blue. The > crescendo -- Only a dark cocoon before I get my gorgeous wings and fly > away; only a phase, these dark cafe days -- is it indeed. Lovely > lines to croon loudly along with, the essence of transformational Joni. > > Want to talk about dirge, about plodding, dark downers, lets talk the > namesake of "Hejira." This album hits a deep one in me, as I grew up > with white sand roads and the clouds of Michelangelo on the west coast > of Fla. It just thrills me that she was there when I was just a kid. > (Anyone know the details of just where she fixed dinner for them and > Boston Jim? Naples, Englewood, Siesta Key?) But this song I do not > like, even hate, as it brings down the whole album experience with its > monotony. I have cursed it many times as I must skip it and pretend to > erase its existence on an otherwise perfect and profound set of poetry. > Perhaps somewhat could enlighten me and remove this blight. > > "Pretty lies" . . . is this an original phrase of hers? I recently > discovered that "I am as constant as the Northern Star" is spoken at > least twice by Caesar in Shakespeare's play. I would be happy to share > the entire quote and scene reference if anyone is interested. (It > seems no one was much interested in comparing Goat Dance > interpretations -- I don't think it's sex, I suspect it's a true > cultural gig. Honestly -- no one else out there has ever tried to bust > it out?) > > looking forward to some discussion -- Eaddy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 10:46:20 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Richard, dirges, and Goat Dances great observation about white lines and utility poles. I hadn't thought of that. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark or Travis" To: "eaddy sutton" ; Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 9:21 PM Subject: Re: Richard, dirges, and Goat Dances > eaddy sutton wrote: > > Want to talk about dirge, about plodding, dark downers, lets talk the > > namesake of "Hejira." .... But this song I do not > > like, even hate, as it brings down the whole album experience with its > > monotony. I have cursed it many times as I must skip it and pretend to > > erase its existence on an otherwise perfect and profound set of > > poetry. Perhaps somewhat could enlighten me and remove this blight. > > I got a chuckle out of reading this, Eaddy. Many people on this list see the album 'Hejira' as the > apex of Joni's output and some as the greatest record ever made. From time to time I have contested > this, citing what to me is a repetitiveness to several of the songs on the record and similarity in > tone and tempo between most of the tracks. The song 'Hejira' itself is treated with particular > reverence by many list members. > > I think the song 'Hejira' has some wonderful poetry in it. As far as the monotony is concerned, try > thinking of riding in a car for a long space of time over a long distance. The monotony of the > sounds the car makes, the repetition of the 'fine white lines' on the highway and the regularity of > the utility poles, traffic coming the opposite way, even the scenery on some stretches of road. I > think the song is deliberately evocative of this. And over the years I seem to hear more and more > every time I play this particular cd and set out once more on the spiritual journey that Joni charts > on it. > > Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:07:19 +0000 From: Garret Subject: re: MOA...whoa!!!!! Glad you like MOA! I agree with everything you said. And yes, i often think that this album represents joni's voice at it's most pleasant to listen to. if i'm not wrong this came after C & S so FTR had been around a couple of years (??). the great thing about it was that Joni had just released a relative hit in C & S and didn't load the MOA concert down with C & S material (not that that would have been bad), only people's parties, right? sounds like a fun evening. GARRET NP- regina spektor, Somedays (loving this album!!) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 06:03:25 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: MOA...whoa!!!!! Just got this a day ago...what an amazingly attractive (to me anyway) album! Anyone else think this is one of the best recordings of Joni's voice? I like the fact that she really "tries", too, on these. They don't have that so off the cuff "I'm sick to death of this song" quality about them at all that some singers get when the songs are no longer brand new. And that despite that she probably *was*..according to the "paint another starry night" comment. It seems clear to me though, that "FTR" stuff was new at this time. I ADORE the CBSASF on this. (altho I hate the crowd's intitial oooh and ahhhh at the start of it... wow! she's gonna sing the junkie song, she's gonna sing the junkie song...) Am not quite all the way through this yet, but find myself quite enamored. Am making this my resident "car CD" for the next while. Anybody know who the little dude was who yelled the "you have more class than Mick Jagger, Richard Nixon and Gomer Pyle combined!" comment is? Is he among us here on the list? lol.... c'mon, 'fess up! :) Em < Subject: All this talk about MOA Dear Ones: I'm just peeping in briefly to say that all this talk about Miiles of Aisles makes me smile. I LOVE MOA! When I did my Junior Year Abroad in France (1974-75), my roommate and I had only a tiny cheap little cassette player, and Christine had brought only ONE music cassette (imagine the horror!) -- the soundtrack from Last Tango in Paris. The cassette player's main function was for us to make voice tapes to send home, and to play the ones our friends sent from home -- no email or cellphones in those old days, and phone rates were impossibly expensive. Finally, half way through the year, my boyfriend from home sent me the newly-released MOA and we, of course, played it CONSTANTLY. We drank Joni every day. Consequently, whenever I hear it now, I am back in France, trudging up the hill to the Universite de Rouen with Joni songs playing in my head, sitting in some dark cafe, travelling in some vehicle, laughing and toasting to nothing, going to people's parties, sitting in my bedroom on the orange bedspread with the photograph of Joni (singing in her white pants and peach-colored top in Montreal in the summer of 1974) above my bed, turning my roommate on FOREVER to all things Joni. And I love love LOVE the spontaneous gorgeous wings of her laughter when that guy yells out: "you have more class than Mick Jagger, Richard Nixon and Gomer Pyle combined!"! LOL, Joni! Merci beaucoup, Lori, for talking about the photos in the album. All my old albums are buried in my basement, and it never occurred to me (DUH!!!) until now to dig them out for the PICTURES!! Oh, yes! The pictures! Sweet inspiration! This will be a happy weekend project. I should frame them all, no? And make my son's old bedroom into a Joni Room. A shrine -- to the CHIRP! Yes! Oui, oui! Paint it blue, with a little green. And I'll finally get that Joni poster framed, the one I showed Ashara when we met. I probably bought it in the 70s for two bucks. It's all yellowed and has scotch tape marks on it from being on my dorm room wall, but so what? Petrified wood process, tall timber down to Joan! It's black and white, and in the picture she is holding -- guess what? Yes, you all know what!!! A cigarette! Elle fume toujours, la Joan, n'est-ce pas? Playing and singing out loud (when no one is home) and swaying to MOA always puts me in a good mood. Glad you got it, Em! And Vince, what you are going through I can only imagine, and empathize with deeply. God bless your son and grandson, and God help us all. And Emiliano, honey man -- I miss you. Como esta, querido amigo??? And Blue Boy, I will write soon about ETTBarbara! (Your wit slays me, comme d'habitude!) Quelle small world! I may go to the colossal 30 year reunion on 2/18, but it looks like YOU will be in Wally World! Hot ginger and dynamite! That's all there is at night! ;) Break a leg and bonne chance, sweet Sherelle, and keep on doing the good work, Mr. Paz! And Music Man Muller: tell Valerie that UConn is playing UNC on February 13th, but I'm not placing any bets. We are not having the best of years. And Marianne and Bree -- you must invite us all when your street sign is changed. We'll decorate it like a May Pole on a sunny day, braiding wild flowers and leaves on the post. Et Catherine of Toronto, ne lurkez JAMAIS, s'il vous plait! Love and peaceful wishes to all, Patti, now in rare Joni-form thanks to you guys....the JMDL is the best face lift! P.S. And my son Christopher -- the one who makes fun of Joni's voice (he told me to close the windows one night when I had Joni at high volume because I'd get all the neighborhood dogs barking) -- well, at a recent visit to his apartment, I spied MOA and C&S on his CD rack! AHA!!!!! Big big smile! P.S.S. (Help! She's posting and she can't shut up!) Does anyone know Kilauren's birthdate? Someone mentioned that it's in February. I would love for it to be the same day as mine. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 08:00:08 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Goat Dances Here's a National Geographic photo of someone doing the goat dance: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/insights/greece/index.html The photo includes the following info: "Synchronized chaos and the deafening din of bells draws revelers to the streets of Skyros for the annual goat dance, a pre-Lenten carnival with hints of ancient fertility rites. Clad in stifling pelts, kidskin masks, and loops of metal goat bells totaling a hundred pounds or more, celebrants fueled by ouzo stomp and sweat through the night." From "Ancient Greece Part IIIAscent to Glory," February 2000, National Geographic magazine Smurf, who thinks it is possible that there's more than one kind of goat dance The all-new My Yahoo!  Get yours free! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 16:08:49 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Joni serious Hi David! Court and Spark was my introduction to Joni as well and I have to say that I always thought of her as having a fun side too. Hissing of Summer Lawns was out at the time and it was the next album I listened to in my college roommate's collection. I totally agree with what you are saying! Sherelle David wrote: You know Court and Spark was my first introduction to Joni, so I have never thought of her as all serious or a person without a sense of humor. Help Me, Just Like This Train, Raised on Robbery and Twisted were all humorous or had very humorous moments, so I always thought of her as having a fun side. David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 11:12:53 -0500 From: "McMillan Brad" Subject: Re: Goat Dances Smurf; Thanks for the insightful info. A double entendre, mayhaps? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smurf" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 11:00 AM Subject: Re: Goat Dances > Here's a National Geographic photo of someone doing the goat dance: > > http://www.nationalgeographic.com/insights/greece/index.html > > The photo includes the following info: > > "Synchronized chaos and the deafening din of bells draws revelers to the streets of Skyros for the annual goat dance, a pre-Lenten carnival with hints of ancient fertility rites. Clad in stifling pelts, kidskin masks, and loops of metal goat bells totaling a hundred pounds or more, celebrants fueled by ouzo stomp and sweat through the night." > > From "Ancient Greece Part IIIAscent to Glory," February 2000, National Geographic magazine > > Smurf, who thinks it is possible that there's more than one kind of goat dance > The all-new My Yahoo!  Get yours free! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:14:10 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: All this talk about MOA > the JMDL is the best face lift! That's priceless, Patti! And very true. Lori P.S. - Kilauren's birthday is Feb 19. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 22:14:19 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: "Roberta" musical play update Hi friends, This is only tentative but David is setting the play for the last weekend in April. As soon as I get exact dates (Friday-Saturday or Saturday-Sunday) confirmed as well as ticket prices confirmed I will let you know. Trust me that ticket prices won't be exhorbatant because I am the new kid on the block! Stay tuned! Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 17:57:29 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Good Friends Demo - Geffen Recordings Bob Does this mean you want me to stop sending you cd's in the mail as well? I have a BIG box I am working on from my main collection. I am downsizing my stash. I am missing a bunch of covers though that I will ask you for at a later date when I catch up with myself. I am also working on transferring a bunch of Eric Johnson stuff at the moment. Best Paz NP-Eric tuning > Wally Kairuz wrote: > material on cd. i know bob muller must know how to deal with this thing.> > > I plead ignorance & incompetence, Wally - I've tried a couple of variations on > the peer-to-peer thing and never could get it to work. Then on top of that, > I've gotten to where I have so much in terms of live stuff that I don't really > WANT any more...note this statement does not extend to Joni covers or other > Joni stuff. > > You are right in saying that the 1985 Rock Master Class is a must have, not > just for the unplugged DED stuff but for the great interview and the > Paprika-like piano improv that Joni performs. Very nice - hopefully this is > available on the P2P thingy, I'm certain that the early Joni stuff is. > > Bob > > NP: Dusty Springfield, "You've Got A Friend" > Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:08:33 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Conor Oberst on being the next Bob Dylan Jerry Notaro wrote: I saw him back in November, opening for REM & Bruce on the Vote For Change tour. Really thought he was awful and out of place then, but based on all the review and hype I picked up both of his CD's last week. "Digital Ash in a Digital Urn" is a bit trip-hoppy and electronic (as one would surmise from the title) but it's much more about melody than rhythm which is odd for music of that genre and I like it better than I thought I would. I REALLY like the 'folkier' of the 2, "I'm Wade Awake, It's Morning", an acoustic outing in which he duets with Emmylou on three tracks - very nice stuff. Good words and good music - he's got a big future ahead. His voice can be a bit rough at times but once you get seasoned to it no prob. Bob NP: Red Hot Chili Peppers, "Californication" Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 18:16:47 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: "Roberta" musical play update NO NO NO Not that weekend. One of the busiest weekends of the year for me (1st weekend of Jazz Fest) Say it's sooner please!!!! Paz NP-Steve's Boogie-EJ > Hi friends, > > This is only tentative but David is setting the play for the last weekend in > April. As soon as I get exact dates (Friday-Saturday or Saturday-Sunday) > confirmed as well as ticket prices confirmed I will let you know. Trust me > that ticket prices won't be exhorbatant because I am the new kid on the > block! Stay tuned! > > Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:45:05 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Good Friends Demo - Geffen Recordings Michael Paz wrote: No, keep 'em coming, bro. I especially love the jazz stuff, and I pride myself on being able to find a happy home for all of it. Have donated some of them to our local library with a tag "from the personal collection of THE Mr. Michael Paz" and lemme tell you they come from miles around to chaeck them out. < I am missing a bunch of covers though that I will ask you for at a later date when I catch up with myself. I am also working on transferring a bunch of Eric Johnson stuff at the moment.> Know what you mean - always lots to do. I still some Joni shows I haven't transferred to CD yet! Need to buy a new tapedeck first, my NEC finally went to that big Circuit City in the Sky about a month ago. Bob NP: Patricia van Nunen, "Blue" Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:06:33 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: MOA...whoa!!!!! Garret wrote: > Glad you like MOA! I agree with everything you said. And yes, i > often think that this album represents joni's voice at it's most > pleasant to listen to. > > if i'm not wrong this came after C & S so FTR had been around a > couple of years (??). the great thing about it was that Joni had > just released a relative hit in C & S and didn't load the MOA concert > down with C & S material (not that that would have been bad), only > people's parties, right? > I very much love MOA as well. Like Lori, I bought this live recording before owning several of Joni's early albums including 'Blue' and 'For the Roses'. So those were the first versions of 'Blue', 'A Case of You', 'Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire', 'Woman of Heart and Mind', 'The Last Time I Saw Richard' and 'Carey' that I heard. The record is full of wonderful performances. There have been recordings from specific dates of the same tour that MOA came from that have floated around and been traded on the list. I believe they show that Joni did perform other songs from 'Court and Spark' on this tour. I think that since 'MOA' came out fairly soon after 'C&S', a decision was made not to include many songs from 'C&S' on 'MOA'. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:19:17 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: LOTC review in latest (Jan/Feb) issue of Magnet Picked this magazine up a couple weeks ago in my my local record store, it's an alternative music magazine called Magnet. Lo & behold, on page 114 is an article called "Escape to LA: Randy Newman, Joni Mitchell, David Crosby". They review 6 records from early 70's singer-songwriters: Randy Newman - 12 Songs David Crosby - If I could Only Remember My Name Joni - LOTC Michael Nesmith & The First National Band - Loose Salute Harry Nilsson - Nilsson Schmilsson Jacksone Browne - Jackson Browne Here's what they say about LOTC: "Discovered and promoted by Crosby (in his language, that also translates to "seduced"), Mitchell had two gentle misfires before knocking out 1970's Ladies Of The Canyon, the defining statement of the era and area. Mitchell was responsible for all the composition and arrangements on the record, and the jazz obsession that would mar her later albums (which always seem to be quietly playing in crappy used bookstores) was introduced here, but to artful effect. The quickly strummed "Conversation" ends in an amazing vocal/saxophone sparring match. The coupling of "The Arrangement" and "Rainy Night House" creates a disquieting centerpiece that is the yardstick by which the craft of piano balladry can be measured. The 80's would be brutal to every artist featured here. Mitchell responded in 1985 with Dog Eat Dog, a diatribe against the decade's materialism and political grandstanding." (Andrew Earles) Bob NP: The Doobie Brothers, "Music Man" Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 18:41:42 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: LOTC review in latest (Jan/Feb) issue of Magnet Bob Muller wrote: > "Discovered and promoted by Crosby (in his language, that also > translates to "seduced"), Mitchell had two gentle misfires before > knocking out 1970's Ladies Of The Canyon, the defining statement of > the era and area. Mitchell was responsible for all the composition > and arrangements on the record, and the jazz obsession that would mar > her later albums (which always seem to be quietly playing in crappy > used bookstores) was introduced here, but to artful effect. Well it's nice that this reviewer likes LOTC but otherwise they don't seem to get what Joni's about at all. Thanks for posting this, Bob and for the info about 'Famous Blue Raincoat'. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:17:56 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Goat Dances --- Smurf wrote: > Here's a National Geographic photo of someone doing > the goat dance: > > http://www.nationalgeographic.com/insights/greece/index.html > > The photo includes the following info: > > "Synchronized chaos and the deafening din of bells > draws revelers to the streets of Skyros for the > annual goat dance, a pre-Lenten carnival with hints > of ancient fertility rites. Clad in stifling pelts, > kidskin masks, and loops of metal goat bells > totaling a hundred pounds or more, celebrants fueled > by ouzo stomp and sweat through the night." > > From "Ancient Greece Part IIIAscent to Glory," > February 2000, National Geographic magazine > > Smurf, who thinks it is possible that there's more > than one kind of goat dance Smurf, you are way too cool and smart for our own good. I recently heard an older Joni interview, or maybe it was a recent one where she talked about the old days (I wish I could remember - it could've been something related to her latest re-release of old stuff, the one with the Frida Kahlo/iconic Joni in flaming flowers on the front). She talked about the guy that the song 'Carey' was written for. He wasn't a lover. He was some guy that worked in the local bar or something when they were in Greece during the "szippy" days. (Joni pronouncing "hippy" with a Greek accent.) He was a bit of a character, so I doubt she did the other goat dance with him, but doesn't everything she writes have at least two meanings in any case? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 22:30:24 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: Roberta Flack SHERELLE WROTE: >Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:32:02 +0000 >From: "Sherelle Smith" >Subject: A little good news (NJC) >Hi everyone, >I found out for sure last Thursday that I am going to play the lead role in >a musical play about Roberta Flack. Congratulations Sherelle! I love Roberta Flack. Her album with Donny Hathaway has never been far from me since I was 12 years old. I just had it on today at work, and I think her recording of Sweet Bitter Love is one of the finest recordings ever. Sometimes she gets a bad rap for her 80's music, but I think she's one of the best. Break a leg! And thanks for the note the other day. Joni often makes me laugh too. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:04:29 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: Hejira a blight EADDY WROTE: "Perhaps somewhat could enlighten me and remove this blight (the song 'Hejira). Eaddy, I am so glad you helped me defend 'Richard,' but I completely disagree about 'Hejira.' It's definitely a dark tune, but I can completely relate to those feelings of disillusionment after the loss of a love. For me, 'Hejira represents those moments when you feel completely alone in the world just before you begin to hope again. I guess it's cathartic. I think 'Hejira' is one of her most beautiful and perfect poems; it's so full of fascinating images. These are among my favorite, or possibly my favorite, of Joni's lines: "We all come and go unknown Each so deep and superficial Between the forceps and the stone." What an image. That's the whole of a life in three brief lines. Anyway, my two cents, David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:26:18 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: Conor Oberst Dylan was the first to essentially sing poetry, Oberst says, "you know ... complex prose." "Once he did that, a lot of people followed suit, and therefore he was able to kind of redefine the way people thought of words and music ... so when they keep hoping for someone to do it again, I always find it strange because that can't really happen again." - - --Smurf, thinking he should check out Bright Eyes I've been told Conor is an 'acquired taste.' He's incredibly popular here in New York, but my friends think he's pompous, full of himself. Anyway, I think he writes some really super stuff. Go online and listen to his new cut, "Lua," for a good introduction. David NP Green Day, American Idiot ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:26:23 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: MOA I love MOA too and like you I was first introduced to C&S, then MOA introduced to the early stuff. In junior high, I loved, loved, loved all of sides 1 and 4, especially these versions of Radio, Rainy Night House and Richard, and I still think Love or Money is really cool (and I think Macy Gray must too!). I remember as a boy being disappointed that only the two new songs had lyrics listed. I never understood why she re-recorded Jericho. I think it's so much better on MOA. Super record! David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:33:13 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Starbucks CDs Joe et. al., I'd be happy to buy the Starbucks disc(s) for you and anyone else overseas who can reimburse in US currency. (Can you use PayPal?) I'll be getting the disc of Joni's influences because she picked 'em. I think it's just like her to make them put "Harlem In Havana" on it. As I said a few weeks ago, I think that song is a latter-day miracle. Lama PS, Go Joni. Go! Joe Farrell asked, >If not is anybody prepared to buy them for me in the USA and send them to me in the UK, i will of course reimburse all costs.> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:37:12 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: NO WAY was [RE: Hejira a blight] The two truly sublime albums of Joni's career are, in no particular order: Hejira and For the Roses. And there are many more of her albums (CDs LPs, whatever) that I love. The fact that they may be her most depressing albums--more depressing than Blue--and "Richard" is an immortal masterpiece, by the way,--is probably a reflection of my tastes. But artistically speaking, they are those rare "transitional" albums that authorize further artistic growth and experimentation: FTR>Court & Spark; Hejira>DJRD. In fact the entire trajectory from Blue through Mingus is an amazing artistic accomplishment. And she was pretty vital both before and after. I know I'm just asserting here. But the new musical sophistication (all of side 1 of FTR plus much of side 2, esp "Judgment"); the stand-out cuts on Hejira: Amelia, title track, Refuge of the Roads marry directness and simplicity with innovation. How anyone couldn't like them, I don't understand. Of course, I don't understand why anyone wouldn't recognize that Bob Dylan is an immortal genius. Assertively yours, Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of David Henderson Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 11:04 PM To: Joni Mitchell List Subject: Hejira a blight EADDY WROTE: "Perhaps somewhat could enlighten me and remove this blight (the song 'Hejira). Eaddy, I am so glad you helped me defend 'Richard,' but I completely disagree about 'Hejira.' It's definitely a dark tune, but I can completely relate to those feelings of disillusionment after the loss of a love. For me, 'Hejira represents those moments when you feel completely alone in the world just before you begin to hope again. I guess it's cathartic. I think 'Hejira' is one of her most beautiful and perfect poems; it's so full of fascinating images. These are among my favorite, or possibly my favorite, of Joni's lines: "We all come and go unknown Each so deep and superficial Between the forceps and the stone." What an image. That's the whole of a life in three brief lines. Anyway, my two cents, David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 00:37:00 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Hejira, the song Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:04:29 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: Hejira a blight EADDY WROTE: "Perhaps somewhat could enlighten me and remove this blight (the song 'Hejira). Eaddy, I am so glad you helped me defend 'Richard,' but I completely disagree about 'Hejira.' It's definitely a dark tune, but I can completely relate to those feelings of disillusionment after the loss of a love. For me, 'Hejira represents those moments when you feel completely alone in the world just before you begin to hope again. I guess it's cathartic. I think 'Hejira' is one of her most beautiful and perfect poems; it's so full of fascinating images. These are among my favorite, or possibly my favorite, of Joni's lines: "We all come and go unknown Each so deep and superficial Between the forceps and the stone." What an image. That's the whole of a life in three brief lines. Anyway, my two cents, David I don't think Hejira (the song) a blight, but it's my least favorite song on my favorite album. Yes, it features some wonderful poetry but it's wordy and whiny (sp.?). Doesn't compare overall to Amelia and Song for Sharon. Bryan ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #33 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)