From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #31 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, February 1 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 031 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- [none] ["Roger Guillard" ] Re: Two Grey Rooms [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Travelogue corrections [Jerry Notaro ] Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #43 [Gorelev@aol.com] re: A dirge?! [Garret ] re:Travelogue corrections - now Cherokee Louise ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Starbucks CDs and a Name-Drop [Jamie Zubairi ] Joni Covers, Volume 61: Now we're talkin'! [Bob Muller ] Delivery by mail ["FredNow" ] Delivery service mail ["Wallykai" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 00:31:30 -0800 From: "Roger Guillard" Subject: [none] i sold popcorn to Joan Baez...I asked her..."would you like butter on that Mamm?" and she said "check that out, I'm a mamm". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:55:31 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Two Grey Rooms >Was not about an affair, but more the longings of an older man who (for lack of a better word) "stalks" a construction worker. He rents a room near the site, and watches the man to come the site daily. Now that is work!< According to Joni's explanation on the video compilation, "Come In From The Cold", the two gentlemen in question were in fact once "lover". I choose to believe Joni's own words. Mark in Sydney. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 08:43:16 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Travelogue corrections I've always thought this song, in all of its presentations, to be THE masterpiece of the "late" Mitchell period. It was the highlight of her live '98 show to be sure. Jerry > Another T'log track that no one's mentioned that I think works in a BIG way is > "Slouching"...of course to be certain it's one of the standout tracks on NRH > and is wonderfully nuanced in its original incarnation. But in its > re-invention, the orchestral and vocal enhancements take it from the NRH > setting to a larger, more apocalytic reading. The production is great, you can > almost graph the way the music ebbs and flows in conjunction with Joni's > lyrics & phrasing. > > And the brass/woodwind riff that kicks in when she sings "surely some > revelation is at hand" is stuck in my head and when I hear the NRH version I > always insert that riff. > > So that NRH-T'log track is stunning; on the other hand, I'm on the other side > of Cherokee Louise from my buddy Bobsart - I was aghast that she would take a > song about a teenager running away because she was sexually molested and > recast it with an orchestral setting. I'm just against it on principal, it's > an intimate song by definition and loses some of its intimacy here...it's not > a "pretty" song, and to put it this syrupy setting just doesn't seem right. > That being said, Shorter's work on the track is nice and the arrangement is > great, but it feels wrong, like it should be quieter. Who knows, maybe someday > I'll change my mind on this one too. > > Bob > > NP: Ani, "Little Plastic Castle" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:23:09 EST From: Gorelev@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #43 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:27:52 +0000 From: Garret Subject: re: A dirge?! Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 16:04:29 -0500 From: "David Henderson" Subject: A dirge?! Garret wrote: > That's interesting as Blue seems to be the one that > people get. I loved it > immediately, with the exception of Richard which i > took as self-indulgent, > tune-less dirge. A dirge?! Oh Garret, you have wounded me deeply . . . I am at an utter loss for words. Okay, I'm over the 'utter loss for words' part now. I think 'Richard' is such a brilliant, brilliant reflection of one moment in time, one flash of clarity - a reflection of that moment when you realize you have to resign yourself to the fact that there is no perfect solution to some situations . . . BTW, I prefer the live version . . . perfect three-minute drama. Joni deserved a Tony for that one. just tried to respond but it vansihed into cyber space. it is true, for some years i just could not understand why anyone would like what i thought was completely tuneless. Then one day i changed. Literally a complete and sudden change. I listened to the piano before the vocal is brought in and was hooked. I proceeded to listen to it over and over whic my family did not enjoy one bit! Now it is one of my favourite tracks ever. Rarely have i come across a song that even nearly portrays intimacy as well as this one. i like the MOA version of Richard a lot, and i often get a chuckle out of her waitress "drink up now...." but i think it is inconsistent with the song as a whole and am surprised that joni went for the laugh. i would prefer a more straightforward true to itself performance. that one line aside i do like the effect of the extra instruments. is it slightly faster? can't really remember. GARRET - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 10:23:09 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re:Travelogue corrections - now Cherokee Louise Bob said: "on the other hand, I'm on the other side of Cherokee Louise from my buddy Bobsart - I was aghast that she would take a song about a teenager running away because she was sexually molested and recast it with an orchestral setting. I'm just against it on principal, it's an intimate song by definition and loses some of its intimacy here...it's not a "pretty"song, and to put it this syrupy setting just doesn't seem right." I'm on the same side as Bob here, but for a slightly different reason. The thing I love best about Cherokee Louise is Joni's rhythm in her guitar playing (on the NRH version). The rhythm reminds me of how children run and "skip" at the same time, thus the music itself seems to come from a child's point of view which completes the song. I can picture Joni and Louise/Mary as children playing, running, and skipping before the dreaded abuse occurs. And even after it does occur, the skipping rhythm resembles a longing to return to happier times and/or temporarily block out the bad times. The skip rhythm is completely lost on the T'Log version, which means to me that the music is no longer from a child's point of view. It really doesn't work for me. Mia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:22:46 -0500 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Starbucks CDs and a Name-Drop This out on the news wires (indicating a Feb. 15 release date): JONI PICKS: Get inside the mind of Joni Mitchell with two Hear Music collections available at Starbucks. More interesting for longtime fans is the mix disc "Joni Mitchell Artist's Choice," showing off her taste for Debussy, Duke Ellington, Billie Holiday, Steely Dan, the New Radicals and more. For casual fans, "Joni Mitchell: Selected Songs" gathers some of her best songs as selected by admirers Bob Dylan, Elvis Costello, Prince and others. Also, I was talking with Robert Downey Jr. the other day (yes, I name-drop at any opportunity) and he said Joni is about to experience a "major resurgence" as a result of the the Starbucks CDs. An overstatement, I'm sure, but there you go. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:42:16 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Starbucks CDs and a Name-Drop BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: < More interesting for longtime fans is the mix disc "Joni Mitchell Artist's Choice," Subject: Re: Starbucks CDs and a Name-Drop Hi Bob I'll send you an edited list of what she chose to be in the Artists Choice which was sent to me by the guy who did the mastering on the disks (a little bit of snooping and brown-nosing goes a long way!). Didn't want to send it publicly to the jmdl as he might lose his job... The New Radicals... I know she liked that single 'The Music In You' or whatever it was called... I think Piaf features in this... as does Miles... can't remember but it's on my work email.... Much Joni Jamie Zoob --- Bob Muller wrote: > BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > < More interesting for longtime fans is the mix disc > "Joni Mitchell Artist's Choice," taste for Debussy, Duke Ellington, Billie Holiday, > Steely Dan, the > Thanks for the heads-up, Bryan - I'm anxious to hear > what she picks, especially from The New Radicals. I > guess this is an update to her "My Top 12" from the > BBC in 1983. Hopefully, no Edith Piaf! > > Bob > > NP: Red House Painters, "Take Me Out" > All your favorites on one personal page  Try My > Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:02:07 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Starbucks CDs and a Name-Drop BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > This out on the news wires (indicating a Feb. 15 release date): > > JONI PICKS: Get inside the mind of Joni Mitchell with two Hear Music collections available at Starbucks. More interesting for longtime fans is the mix disc "Joni Mitchell Artist's Choice," showing off her taste for Debussy, Duke Ellington, Billie Holiday, Steely Dan, the New Radicals and more. Hopefully there will be a little disclaimer, like "I don't actually listen to music, but if I did....." But, all seriousness aside, I'm just as interested in seeing what Dylan, Prince et al pick as Joni's best. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:34:18 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni Covers, Volume 61: Now we're talkin'! Hey gang - looks like we've gone through another month, which means it's time to unveil another "debutante" in the wild world of Joni covers, and introduce Volume 61 to society, and boy do I ever like this one! Lots & lots of goodies here, but before I dig into them, as is my custom let me say a public thank you to the JMDLer's who contributed a track to it: Luanne Lancton Doug Meek the ever-amazing/always lurking Monica Cardinale Thanks - y'all rock! Now, let's take #61 for a spin, shall we? 1. Bill Lancton - Woodstock: We get things started off with an awesome jazz instrumental, even MORE awesome because it's being played on one of Joni's guitars! The Lancton's were the happy recipients of one the guitars recently auctioned off on ebay, and Luanne was sweet enough to send me a copy of Bill's great CD. 2. Tom Grant - Both Sides Now: More superb jazz instrumental - Tom's on the keyboards, and it's a beautiful arrangement featuring a smooth solo on the stand-up bass. 3. Kate Hammett-Vaughan Quintet - For The Roses 4. Kate Hammett-Vaughan Quintet - Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire: More jazz, this time with vocals - these two tracks run over 20 minutes, so you know that all the musicians really get a chance to stretch out, and the interpretations here are really different - like any good solo, they work within the framework of Joni's composition, really take it apart and work well together, and always come back to home base. While Kate's voice could use a little more oomph, I love these two - FTR is woefully underrepresented in the world of Joni covers, maybe this signals a trend. 5. Ryan Williams - People's Parties: Just Ryan & his acoustic guitar, a very lovely version. Ryan sounds a bit like Darius Rucker (Hootie & The Blowfish) and even puts on a good harmony with himself ala Joni. 6. Billy C - Both Sides Now: Now HERE'S the one that gets them all talking...love it or hate it, it's bound to get a reaction! Don't know much about Billy, he was a jazz singer in the 70's, and this lounge-a-rama swings at times with a horn section, and drags to a crawl in others, with Billy's voice dipping down to hit notes that even Paz can't grab. As for me, well I'm one of the "love it" crowd. 7. Captain Smartypants - Big Yellow Taxi: CS is part of the Seattle Men's Chorus, and this is from their 2004 release "Undercover". This is a peppy arrangement, with flawless harmonies and a nice flute to boot. Hear a sample at: http://www.seattlemenschorus.com/undercover.html 8. Rick Summer Droit - For Free: Rick's a singer-songwriter from Texas, probably knows a lot about singing real good for free. His version sounds like it's derived from The Byrds cover from long ago. 9. Matteo Turella - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines: Unlike Pork Pie Hat, most Dry Cleaner covers employ Joni's awesome lyrics - this is an exception. Matteo (an Italian jazz guitarist) opts for a straight reading of Mingus' melody and pulls it off just fine. 10. Val Green - Both Sides Now: Jeepers, just when things were going so well...this warbly version from 30-something years ago threatens to bring us down, but are we gonna let her? No way, it's on to... 11. Ricky Koole - A Case Of You: Boy, to hear Dutch singer Koole's take on ACOY, you'd think that singing this song was nothing - she just glides through it effortlessly, a very smooth clear voice accompanied by piano. And of course, being Dutch she is drop-dead gorgeous (John van Tiel says they ALL are). http://www.rickykoole.nl/ 12. Jim Stringer and the AM Band - Raised On Robbery: You know, one genre that doesn't pick up on Joni very often is country. Besides a couple versions of "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio" country music usually steers clear of her. RoR actually translates quite nicely to this setting, and this 2004 track features some knockout dobro pedal steel and some good honky tonk piano and is just allaround sensational. Plus, Jim has no problem singing "son of a bitch" which a couple of RoR covers avoid. A winner. 13. The Yello Allstars - Big Yellow Taxi: This German release from a couple years ago collected covers of "Yellow" songs; Yellow Submarine, BYT, etc. This is basically a rehash of the Amy Grant cover. Special thanks to Patti who helped bridge the language gap between me & the German seller whose English was just as strong as my German. 14. Heavens To Murgatroid - Both Sides Now: Power Pop from Portsmouth, NH - this reminds me of the Jason Falkner cover, don't know which came first but this is great, no cheese about it. Joni rocks!! 15. Karrin Allyson - All I Want 16. Karrin Allyson - Help Me: These have been well-discussed in this forum, and for good reason, they are both dynamic interpretations, superb arrangements, and Karrin's lively scatty vocal alongside a great set of musicians make this a highlight af 2004. 17. Kris Gannon - Chelsea Morning: Kris' voice is joyous and well-suited to Chelsea Morning...her guitar is accompanied by a mandolin which is a welcome addition. So there you have it...I know I usually throw 20 or so tracks at you, but don't think that Volume 61 is shortchanging you; far from it as this collection of rockin rollin' jazzed-up poppy stuff runs over 77 minutes! This one's gonna be hard to top - but as Potato-boy is my witness I'm gonna give it a try. See you in another month with another batch of gems. Bob NP: Kate Hammett-Vaughan Quintet, "For The Roses" Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 22:56:23 EST From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: Starbucks CDs and a Name-Drop damn tease! im dying to see this starbucks cd but hasnt show in at 81st and broadway in NYC yet! i swaer i hear Carrey every day in there though... a newchapter in Joni popularity is on the way! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:17:54 EST From: Justalittlebreen@aol.com Subject: To triplet or not to triplet... Mia "mia ortlieb" " said (referring to Cherokee Louise, versions both on NRH and Trav: << I can picture Joni and Louise/Mary as children playing, running, and skipping before the dreaded abuse occurs. And even after it does occur, the skipping rhythm resembles a longing to return to happier times and/or temporarily block out the bad times. The skip rhythm is completely lost on the T'Log version, which means to me that the music is no longer from a child's point of view. It really doesn't work for me.>> Yes! I had the damndest time trying to correlate the rhythm pattern between the two versions. i think on the NRH version, the "skipping triplets" were right "on top", but it took me the longest time to find that same skipping feeling in the new one. What does the sheet music show, by the way? [And while I'm at it, may I ask of anyone who has the sheet music to CL, for that matter, *all* of NRH, if there's any amount of Ghiardelli's Chocolate that i could bribe you with to send me the sheet music to all those wonderful songs? I only have a couple, and I'd like the whole caboodle...] Yet -- there's something little-girlish, both a pouting and a real fear, in Joni's voice in the Trav version that is heartbreaking to hear, so i do like it. my 2c, best, walt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 00:02:34 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: Starbucks CDs and a Name-Drop damn tease! im dying to see this starbucks cd but hasnt show in at 81st and broadway in NYC yet! i swaer i hear Carrey every day in there though... a newchapter in Joni popularity is on the way! Feb. 15 is the release date, apparently. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 21:20:28 -0800 From: David Marine Subject: Starbucks Joni Mitchell will release a collection of her favorite songs by others, as well as a set of her own tunes, on February 16th as part of the Starbucks Hear Music series. Joni Mitchell: Artist's Choice will include 18 tracks, including songs by Duke Ellington, Billie Holiday, Chuck Berry, Steely Dan, Ray Charles, Bob Dylan, and New Radicals, as well as her own "Harlem in Havana." Meanwhile, the 13 Mitchell tracks on Joni Mitchell: Opus Collection were chosen by other artists, with commentary from Dylan, Prince, Elvis Costello, and others. Opus Collection's 13 tracks include hits like "Free Man In Paris" and "Both Sides Now," as well as more obscure selections like "Raised On Robbery" and "Two Grey Rooms." Both albums will be available exclusively at Starbucks locations in North America and online at hearmusic.com. The track list for Joni Mitchell: Opus Collection includes: "For Free," "A Case Of You," "Free Man In Paris," "For The Roses" (orchestral version), "Coyote," "Raised On Robbery," "Blue," "Cold Blue Steel And Sweet Fire," "A Strange Boy," "Black Crow," "God Must Be A Boogie Man," "Two Grey Rooms," "Both Sides Now" The track list for Joni Mitchell: Artist's Choice includes: "Claire De Lune," Claude DeBussy; "Subtle Lament" and "Jeep's Blues," Duke Ellington; "Solitude," Billie Holiday; "It Never Entered My Mind," Miles Davis; "Harlem in Havana," Joni Mitchell; "Saturday Night Fish Fry," Louis Jordan; "Johnny B. Goode," Chuck Berry; "Third World Man," Steely Dan; "Night Bird" and "The First Twilight," Deep Forest; "Trois Cloches," Edith Piaf; "At Last," Etta James; "Lonely Avenue," Ray Charles; "Trouble Man," Marvin Gaye; "Sweetheart Like You," Bob Dylan; "The Stories Of The Street," Leonard Cohen; "You Get What You Give," New Radicals ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 08:11:52 +0100 From: "FredNow" Subject: Delivery by mail Thanks for use of our software. 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