From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #23 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, January 24 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 023 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Vote Mingus! [John Sprackland ] NJR :The far right ["Loa Nickloy" ] my joni mitchell tribute record [Zachary Scot Johnson ] RE: Love or Money ["Les Irvin" ] Re: Travelogue and Amelia [Garret ] Re: Julie A. [Kate ] RE: Vote Mingus! ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Subject: Correction ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Subject: Correction [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #30 JONIFEST [Catherine McKay ] Re: Love or Money [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Johnny Carson RIP vljc [Catherine McKay ] WTFR, Mingus ["Laurent Olszer" ] LISTENING TO OUR OWN MUSIC [Nuriel Tobias ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:56:25 +0000 From: John Sprackland Subject: Re: Vote Mingus! In message , "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" writes >Not all JMDLers and not all critics, either. >Neil Tesser of downbeat "got" it. Read this, because it will make your day: >http://www.jonimitchell.com/downbeat79.html Thanks, Lama - it has made my day! Boy, he really got it! Also, for further insight into the 'Mingus' phenomenon, Leonard Feather's interview with Joni (referred to at the end of Tesser's review) is essential reading. http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=95 Thanks to everyone for the Mingus postings - I'm fascinated. I guess because I fell in love with Joni through Hissing of Summer Lawns, Mingus was not as much of a shock as it might have been to those who met Joni during her Blue period or earlier. (I don't necessarily mean at that time; I mean that your expectations of an artist are fashioned by your first encounter with their work, whenever that might be.) Nevertheless, I still think it took me a year or so of listening before I really learned to love Mingus but by that time I had discovered that I didn't like ANY of Joni's albums on first hearing (with one exception*). Starting with the purchase of HOSL in.... 1977?, I had to build my Joni collection slowly because each new purchase had to be lived with before I was ready to introduce myself to another. Mingus was the first Joni album that I was ready and waiting for its release. I was delighted when I took it home and was bewildered by it - my experience with HOSL, Hejira, Blue and For The Roses had taught me that that meant that I would grow to love it! *Court & Spark was the exception to the rule - it grabbed me on first hearing... and I remain slightly suspicious of it for that reason to this day! I love it, but I worry that it is a superficial love affair based on pure sex appeal rather a deep spiritual connection between us... but, as I have gotten older, I have come to value pure sex appeal more highly than I did as a romantically-inclined teenager! Did anyone else find that the Joni albums they liked least on first hearing are the ones they grew to love the most? Regards John Southport, UK - -- Sprackland ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:34:40 -0500 From: "Loa Nickloy" Subject: NJR :The far right I wanted to see what they are thinking this far right so i decided to go with my next door neighbor.I went to the bible meeting,Sat with these people.Went to parties that sold things for as they call it their god. It was frighting,they try to brainwash you.Ever so nice they are to you.They welcome you with open arms.But.... It's their way or goodby.You are not allowed to have a independent thought.They watch only christen shows.All other shows are evil.Same with Movies and Music.The devil is everywhere they say. Now I liked this person that i went with.She had gone though a really rough time.Lost her son in law to cancer.It changed her to a person i did not know anymore. She accused me of lusting after her husband.I was and so is my husband friendly with him.She's brainwashed now.I told her i was going to look for a place to worship that suited me better.That was the end of our friendship.I could tolerate her but she could not for me. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 05:25:59 -0800 (PST) From: Zachary Scot Johnson Subject: my joni mitchell tribute record Hi All, My name is Zach. I don't post all that often, but love reading the posts daily. I have posted before, but not frequently. I wanted to post an idea I had and see if I got any feedback from list members about it. This is my attempt at breaking out of lurkdom, really, to be an active member of the group (I've been waiting for an excuse). I put out a CD last year called "Moment of Clarity" that included a Joni cover--I became one of very, very many who've put out a cover of "A Case of You"--and some of you may have heard it as the ever so wonderful, kind and gracious Bob Muller put it on one of the fantastic cover volumes recently, which was an honor to be included on. I'm currently living and studying in London and am nearing the halfway point of this three month experiment across the pond (and how wonderful it is over here, too!) so I'm not sure how my finances are going to hold out (if anyone knows a good producer or manager, PLEASE be in touch) but I'm hoping to put out my second mostly-if-not-all-this-time originals cd by the end of the year. The idea that I've had for after that, though, would be that my third cd would be a Joni tribute record. I'd like to do this within two or three years with the hope that Joni herself may even somehow hear it. I'm still in college, so again the financing of it will certainly be a massive obstacle to overcome, but I'm hopeful that somehow the stars will align and I'm able to do it. My questions are: how would you all respond to something like that? is it a cool idea or not? i'm limiting my audience somewhat as not everyone in the world is enlightened enough to consider Joni the genious that she quite frankly undeniably is, but I think there is AN audience for a record like this. If you had to put together a maximum time 80 minute cd of Joni covers, how in the world would one go about choosing which songs to include? I'm one of the people who loved every phase and genre that Joni involved herself in, so it's not like I'd be limiting myself to one specific era of her writing: I'd have all of it to go through and figure out. A daunting challenge to say the least. Anyways, just wanted to throw this idea out there as I never know what kind of response I'll get. If you're interested in checking out my homepage to find out more about the first album, go to: http://www.geocities.com/zacharyscot/ I don't think there's an mp3 of ACOY up, but I believe there is a link to a cover of a brilliant Patty Griffin song called 'Top of the World' that'll give at least a little indication of my style. Anyways, thanks for reading. I'd love feedback and responses. I love reading all of your posts, so thought I might contribute something for once. Best to you all. Sincerely, Zach Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:49:14 EST From: Barolo82@aol.com Subject: Love or Money "2. LOVE OR MONEY. down 61 places to number 174 (last place with zero votes in 2004!)" This is my favorite Joni song, so it now gets one vote. :~) dc. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:23:37 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Love or Money I like the song too, Dave...I think it's low showing is not due to quality but rather to its presentation and/or general neglect, I think since it only appeared on MoA it didn't get enough exposure, unlike the other songs that she wrote and put on studio as well as live recordings. People just tend not to think of it. Probably some don't care for the arrangement (not her song of that title but the arrangement of LoM) as it's arranged similarly to Woodstock & Carey, in that mid-70's lite-jazz sanitized-for-your-protection format. Perhaps if she had put it on a studio record (as she did with Jericho which is arguably a better song anyway) it would have been re-presented and would now be better represented in the polls. In any event, it's in a different class than Dancin' Clown, second to last in the song polls because it is a truly wretched and evil thing. "Get thee behind me, demon Dancin' Clown - I rebuke thee!" Bob NP: Tori, "Past The Mission" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:36:27 -0700 From: Dennis Derkacs Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #30 How do I get information about JoniFest? Is there a web site? What is it? What groups will be there? Where? Etc? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:55:31 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Love or Money The Bobster wrote: > I like the song too, Dave...I think it's low showing is not > due to quality but rather to its presentation and/or general > neglect, I think since it only appeared on MoA it didn't get > enough exposure, unlike the other songs that she wrote and > put on studio as well as live recordings. People just tend > not to think of it. Good theory that I generally agree with. But... in regards to the JMDL Song Poll the real reason for its low ranking is that this is the one song that refuses to register votes. You can cast votes for it all day long and it'll still result in zero. A number of senior programmers have had their names removed from the door on the thirty-third floor in the air at the JMDL Corporate Tower for failing to solve this problem. We continue to work on the issue so that Love or Money will someday get its just due. Les NP: Tom McRae "Draw Down the Stars" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:15:12 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: Travelogue and Amelia thanks Bob (and jamie) for posting this link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/ram/frontrow20021206_joni_mitchell.ram" Quite interesting. Brings up the joni vs bob conversation again, which is always fun:-) Travelogue is not my favourite, but i certainly like it more than i expected. I wonder how the Amelia fans feel about the reworked version on T. GARRET NP- The Killers, jenny was a friend of mine - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:36:04 -0700 From: Kate Subject: Re: Julie A. Kate B: > Julie Andrews. I always thought her voice > had a similar timbre and clarity. "Flute-y." And she can no longer sing. So, > I wonder if there's something about the structure of similar vocal chords > that doesn't fare well over time.< I seem to recall Julie Andrews having some throat surgery or something that ruined her singing voice. Kate du Nord - -- Last Weekend in Westbank http://xoetc.antville.org Who does she think she is, Anaos Nin? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:04:05 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: RE: Vote Mingus! John, I bought both as back issues on ebay. downbeat wasn't printed on glossy stock so they are nearly as yellowed as 25 year old newsprint. Tesser's review is in page 26 of the 9 August, 1979 issue with Johnny Griffin on the cover. If I ever make the trek to LA, I'm going to carry that issue around with me the whole time. I would trade my fricken car if I could read that glowing review of MINGUS to her in front of about 100 people. I think she'd cry. The glowing interview that you mentioned begins on page 17 of the 6 September 1979 issue. Joni's on the cover. While I'm talking about THE HISSING OF SUMMER LAWNS and back issues, buy the February 1975 issue of National Geographic. It's a good thing Les Irvin and Jim Johanson are preserving this for web users. From: John Sprackland [mailto:john@sprackland.demon.co.uk] >>http://www.jonimitchell.com/downbeat79.html>> Thanks, Lama - it has made my day! Boy, he really got it! Leonard Feather's interview with Joni (referred to at the end of Tesser's review) is essential reading. >http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=95> >Thanks to everyone for the Mingus postings - I'm fascinated. I guess because I fell in love with Joni through Hissing of Summer Lawns, Mingus was not as much of a shock as it might have been to those who met Joni during her Blue period or earlier. (I don't necessarily mean at that time; I mean that your expectations of an artist are fashioned by your first encounter with their work, whenever that might be.)> Now Lama: Ditto. Among my first was Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. I was interested because she wrote "Woodstock". Later I found out she wrote that "ancient" song "Both Sides Now". In my mind I think I associated BSN with Woody Guthrie's "This Land Is Your Land", old guard folk. At the time, my 2nd girlfriend was an art history major. I thought Joni was a bit like ELP, Yes, Chicago, and Blood Sweat and Tears because he was putting elements of jazz into new music. (Jazz songs don't always have the depth of writing that Joni and Bob were blessed with in those days.) She had the jazz poly tonality, the folk tradition of story-telling, and the lyrical talent of the top 1%. You said,>I had to build my Joni collection slowly because each new purchase had to be lived with before I was ready to introduce myself to another.> John, you wouldn't believe how many people have said that. Those 12 albums in the middle were so rich and varied, you didn't NEED a album from Joni every 8 months. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:24:54 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Correction Yeah, you got that right. What the heck? Is RS trying to put their journalistic finger in Joni's eye again? Did Joni hand her ballot to Aaron? Is Neville responsible for the crop circles too? Can he explain the heads on Easter Island? Stonehenge? Lama np: Real Good, For Free from the Joni & James BBC in 1970 JMDL-powered CD. Joni on a big piano and Taylor on an acoustic guitar. Goosebumps. Muller said, >SCJoniGuy@aol.com said, >Their last issue featured their "500 Greatest Songs of All Time", and Joni was listed as one of the judges. Well, it seems that the ballot they thought was Joni's was actually Aaron Neville's, so Joni did not respond to their survey after all. This will probably be the ONLY time that Aaron is mistaken for Joni.> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 13:31:26 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Subject: Correction It's probably the helium voice that messed them up. --- "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > What the heck? Is RS trying to put their > journalistic finger in Joni's eye > again? Did Joni hand her ballot to Aaron? Is > Neville responsible for the > crop circles too? Can he explain the heads on > Easter Island? Stonehenge? > > Lama > > np: Real Good, For Free from the Joni & James BBC in > 1970 JMDL-powered CD. > Joni on a big piano and Taylor on an acoustic > guitar. Goosebumps. > > Muller said, > >SCJoniGuy@aol.com said, > >Their last issue featured their "500 Greatest > Songs of All Time", and > Joni was listed as one of the judges. Well, it > seems that the ballot they > thought was Joni's was actually Aaron Neville's, so > Joni did not respond to > their survey after all. This will probably be the > ONLY time that Aaron > is mistaken for Joni.> > ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:02:22 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2005 #30 JONIFEST --- Dennis Derkacs wrote: > How do I get information about JoniFest? > Is there a web site? > What is it? > What groups will be there? > Where? > Etc? Jonifest is wherever two are more are gathered in her name. HOWEVER, there have been organized fests of all sizes and types, most notably in the last few years those that our own Ashara organized in the Boston area, and more recently in New York State. In addition, there have been other fests in the UK, New Orleans and California. There isn't going to be a big Northeast Jonifest this year. But maybe another year... IN THE MEANTIME, another of our own, Laurent Olszer in Paris, is organizing one for (near) Carcassonne in the south of France for mid-August and it sounds like it will be wonderful. I plan to be there with my two kids, provided accomodation and air arrangements work out. In addition I believe there are some 20 or more who have signed up or are about to shortly and I understand there is room for 60. There is plenty of room and, if you do a google on Carcassonne, you will see that it is a beautiful area full of mountains and castles and charm and I'm sure you will want to be there. I'm copying Laurent on this. There is a distribution list of people who previously expressed interest but not, as yet, any sort of discussion list or group. As I've never been on a real holiday in over 20 yrs and as my kids have never been on one in their lives, I have decided that EuroJonifest, as I've come to call this (ou peut-etre la Fete-Joni) is just the excuse I need to borrow a whole lot of money and take my kids to Europe, with a stop in Carcassonne, while they still live at home. I ENCOURAGE anyone who is even remotely interested in this to check it out. As far as what groups will be there, you're not likely to see anyone who is famous or well-known, but that has nothing to do with talent, as we all know. There are a great many amateur and professional-but-not-famous people on the jmdl who make great music and I know you would NOT be disappointed. As far as I'm aware, Stryngs from the UK is going to be there, as they have been at the Northeast one for the last two years. Most, if not all, of them are also jmdl members and men and women of heart and mind who make beautiful music together, whether it's a Joni cover or their own original works. check out their website here for info and streaming audio: http://www.stryngs.com/ And you can purchase their CD from CD baby, here: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stryngs I am 99.99% certain you will love their stuff and some of us eagerly await their next CD (Martin? Chris? Les? Sarah?) Thanks for allowing me the opportunity to put in the good word for Carcassonne (vive la France!) and for some of my favourite people in the jmdl world. N.P. Stryngs - Frank's song (never fails to bring tears to my eyes.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:20:35 -0500 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Snakes & Ladders 2002 to 2004 I'll play. I agree that "Judgement of the Moon and Stars (Ludwig's Tune)" probably fell because TRAVELOGUE has provoked mixed feelings. I like the original very much. I also like the Technicolor version on TRAVELOGUE because the theme is so big, it suits the arrangement. Now if Vince had made a big version of "My Old Man" or "Carey" I might not feel the same. On the other hand, I thought that "Magdaline Laundries" would have risen. Joni appeared on the recent version by The Chieftans. It's a song of depth that needs some years to gather the respect it deserves. I thought it would be a Ladder but it isn't. I dunno. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:12:06 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Jonifest Hi Catherine Thanks for the good word about the international jonifest. Small details for a google search: the area is the "Corbieres", also the state (french departement) is "Aude". One can also check; "cathares" for a historical background, and www.lafargo.fr for the hotel I recommend and directions. The site isn't exactly in Carcassonne, that's just one of the nearest airports along with Perpignan. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:50:25 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Love or Money **You can cast votes for it all day long and it'll still result in zero. Perhaps you need someone besides Diebold to make your song poll voting machines, Les. Bob, in total shock and awe at the corruption & scandal! NP: Patti Smith, "Beneath The Southern Cross" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:16:58 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Johnny Carson RIP vljc Just opened up my browser to learn that Johnny Carson has died. Bit of a shock - I thought he'd be around forever: http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1106506597187_14?hub=topstories RIP Johnny, and here's some words from Joni: She plants her garden in the spring They do the winter shovelling They sit up late and watch the Johnny Carson show She says "I'm leavin' here but she don't go ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:01:48 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: WTFR, Mingus Walt wrote:>> > WTRF stodgy!!! Not a word i would have used to describe it -- she was > deleriously happy, and (my guess has always been) coked out of her mind; what, five > or six songs under 3 minutes, WTRF the song in just over 2 minutes! Hi Walt What, Joni doing drugs? Is this documented or perhaps you mean coke in an aluminium can? WTRF always struck me as she was high on love, you know "Love is the Drug". I've always accepted each Joni release as a move in a different direction. This adds to her mystery. Most of the time they coincided with my personal changes so that's part of the reason I felt a (hopeless) connection with her. For instance I adored Mingus because I was just getting heavily into jazz. At the exact time the album came out I met a gentleman from SF with whom Mingus had stayed and we became friends to this day. His ex-wife (Catherine Mulholland, the author) hated Joni I guess because she had dared penetrate the "inner circle" of jazz. When DED came out I had just experienced my 1st bitter taste of corporate america so the lp became my anthem. Etc. Hope you can join us in France. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:33:47 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: LISTENING TO OUR OWN MUSIC HI NOW I DO NOT REMEMBER WHO WROTE IT (CATHERINE, MAYBE EM) - THAT A MUSICIAN LISTENING CONSTANTLY TO HIS MUSIC IS WEIRD, BUT IT WAS WRITTEN:) ANYWAY, MY POINT, IS THAT IT'S NOT WEIRD AT ALL. I DO IT. LOVE U OL' NURI Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #23 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)