From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #371 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, December 30 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 371 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- going to watery places [Em ] Tsunami [Suzanne MarcAurele ] Re: going to watery places [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: going to watery places [Em ] Re: going to watery places [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: going to watery places [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: going to watery places [Em ] Re: going to watery places [Em ] Re: going to watery places [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: going to watery places [Em ] Re: going to watery places [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: going to watery places [Em ] Future tripping SJC ["Russell Bowden" ] Oprah mag/ Renee Fleming's ear/Joni mention ["janine sherman" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 09:41:04 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: going to watery places "Songs are like tattoos - I've been to sea before" ok so going to sea might be a time in life when a person could "tend" to take on a tattoo or 3. Write a song or 30.... what does that mean, 'been to sea"...does it mean cast adrift, or venturing into a scary place you're not sure of, in search of enlightenment or riches, or simply that you've become antisocial? and how does that contrast and or compare with LC's "and Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water, and he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower and when he knew for certain only drowning men could see him, he said all men shall be sailors then, until the sea shall free them"..... one of the best lyrics or bits of poetry ever, for me... BLOWS me away. but Joni went to sea before.... funny how LC didn't say Jesus was a fisherman and all men shall be fishermen, but "sailor" with all the gay raunch that could imply. (not that fishermen are free of raunch - could have asked my 3rd cousin who died last year at age 90, who ran a fisherman's bar in Key West for many years, mid last century) I like that! BLESS Leonard Cohen for that twist. anyway..just wondering if anyone has any thoughts about the concept of "going to sea" and its relationship to creative process. The sea << yet more turbulent indigo, huh? altho you rarely see indigo colored water. Thanks for indulging me... :) Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:58:08 -0500 From: Suzanne MarcAurele Subject: Tsunami I am surprised and not that little is stated here on this incredible disaster - yet all were in that disaster so to speak - all seems trivial compared to this in the latest of "biblical" disasters s. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:02:17 -0500 From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: going to watery places How odd, Em. I have been singing "Blue" all morning. I do believe that you're over-thinking it, though. Let's look at the words: "Blue, songs are like tattoos, you know I've been to sea before ..." I think Joni is just saying that a tattoo -- especially way back in the early 70s -- would indicate that someone had been a sailor. To me, it's much like how a notch in a gun would indicate that someone had killed someone. And that's all. (Oh, no. I hope I haven't restarted the long-dormant "notches liberation doll" thread!) - --Smurf, tattooless and unpierced and unnotched and proud ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:16:47 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: going to watery places Hi Smurf, thanks for playing. Well I'm thinking in images today, mostly.... but if she's being that literal (tattoo? must be a sailor), it seems odd she'd say "I've been to sea before".... and take on sailor-like implications for her willowy self - with that she puts sailor-ness on herself. Really, if anything I'm probably being too loose with it. Just getting lots of "pictures". But also your point is not lost on me that in the early 70's having a tat was way different than nowadays. Maybe best just to go back to the brain pictures.... :) Em - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > How odd, Em. I have been singing "Blue" all morning. > > I do believe that you're over-thinking it, though. Let's look at the > words: > > "Blue, songs are like tattoos, you know I've been to sea before ..." > > I think Joni is just saying that a tattoo -- especially way back in > the early 70s -- would indicate that someone had been a sailor. To > me, it's much like how a notch in a gun would indicate that someone > had killed someone. And that's all. (Oh, no. I hope I haven't > restarted the long-dormant "notches liberation doll" thread!) > > --Smurf, tattooless and unpierced and unnotched and proud ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 13:37:53 -0500 From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: going to watery places Hi, Em! I love playing with you. But maybe I should explain myself better. Remember those old SAT analogies? You know, like this: day:night as being awake:being asleep Well, the "Blue" analogy for me would go like this: songs:tattoos as having been in love:having been to sea Does that make any sense to anyone but me? - --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:41:53 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: going to watery places Can I play? Hm, can I? I always thought of 'I've been to sea before' as Joni saying, I've done this 'being free' thing. 'Crown and anchor me or let me sail away'. Commit to this relationship or let me go. Enough of this in between stuff. As usual, she's working on different levels is seems, so I can also see the tattoo imagery relating to sailors and being at sea. Then there's needles which relate to tattoos and drug use. So much to absorb and she says it all in just a few words. I think this song is perfect for getting 'pictures' Em. Sometimes I think disecting lyrics doesn't properly convey the way a group of words set to music impacts a listener. You don't have to know what it all means to know what it means (to you). Jenny Em wrote: Hi Smurf, thanks for playing. Well I'm thinking in images today, mostly.... but if she's being that literal (tattoo? must be a sailor), it seems odd she'd say "I've been to sea before".... and take on sailor-like implications for her willowy self - with that she puts sailor-ness on herself. Really, if anything I'm probably being too loose with it. Just getting lots of "pictures". But also your point is not lost on me that in the early 70's having a tat was way different than nowadays. Maybe best just to go back to the brain pictures.... :) Em - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > How odd, Em. I have been singing "Blue" all morning. > > I do believe that you're over-thinking it, though. Let's look at the > words: > > "Blue, songs are like tattoos, you know I've been to sea before ..." > > I think Joni is just saying that a tattoo -- especially way back in > the early 70s -- would indicate that someone had been a sailor. To > me, it's much like how a notch in a gun would indicate that someone > had killed someone. And that's all. (Oh, no. I hope I haven't > restarted the long-dormant "notches liberation doll" thread!) > > --Smurf, tattooless and unpierced and unnotched and proud Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:07:30 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: going to watery places yes! being in love is the "out to sea" of the heart. Is that what you meant, or did I take away from the brutal simplicity of your correlation? makes sense..and so, another way to look at it. The only thing is, being in love is so much more universal than being a sailor.. [altho Jesus did say (in Cohen's song) "all men will be sailors"...] So, ..........someone who's been in love making songs... similar to a sailor getting tattoos. and you could mix it up! a sailor making songs and someone who's been in love getting tattoos (like me - I get tats when I'm furiously angry or terribly emotionally wounded - like from love) anyway, sorry - I'm drawing too many inferences... Em - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > Hi, Em! > > I love playing with you. But maybe I should explain myself better. > > Remember those old SAT analogies? You know, like this: > > day:night as being awake:being asleep > > Well, the "Blue" analogy for me would go like this: > > songs:tattoos as having been in love:having been to sea > > Does that make any sense to anyone but me? > > --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:17:30 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: going to watery places Hi Jenny! wow you nailed some stuff too. Crown and anchor me...whew....make it official.. I never thought about he anchor part but the crown thing..I guess I thought "checkers"..like how the heck does that fit in. It doesn't. But my brain is attracted to it so hey why not. And I think you're right about the song Blue being a good one for visuals... as are so many of hers and Leonard's. Don't know why every once in a while I get a wild hair like I have to say words about songs. I guess cuz in sharing with other humans you sometimes have to, lol, use words. Blue is a small song in some ways...but HUGE in scope and depth..its like infinity and you can dive down into it, like the duck into the whiskey ocean in Hesitation Blues. OK I'm getting nutty so I will stop. Glad you weighed in on this Jenny - as I know you are a visual art person too, and so its good to "jam" with others who think in those terms. Em ps have been thinking too of those people who were scuba diving when the tsunami came by overhead and clung to coral to keep from the rush...wonder what they "saw" what visuals they got... - --- Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > Can I play? Hm, can I? > > I always thought of 'I've been to sea before' as Joni saying, I've > done this 'being free' thing. > 'Crown and anchor me or let me sail away'. Commit to this > relationship or let me go. Enough of this in between stuff. > > As usual, she's working on different levels is seems, so I can also > see the tattoo imagery relating to sailors and being at sea. Then > there's needles which relate to tattoos and drug use. > > So much to absorb and she says it all in just a few words. > > I think this song is perfect for getting 'pictures' Em. Sometimes I > think disecting lyrics doesn't properly convey the way a group of > words set to music impacts a listener. You don't have to know what > it all means to know what it means (to you). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:21:37 -0500 From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: going to watery places Em writes: << The only thing is, being in love is so much more universal than being a sailor >> So? I don't get what the universal nature of love vs. the less universal state of being a sailor has to do with it, Em. Didn't Charles Schultz say that love was a cold, wet nose (or something like that)? What's more ubiquitous, love or cold, wet noses? And what does that have to do with anything? And Linda Ronstadt (I think) said that love is a rose. What's more universal, love or roses? And why is this whole discussion making me feel as if I'm on drugs? Damn! My cursor is leaving trails. - --Smurf, floating in a tin can high above the world ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:28:16 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: going to watery places - --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > I don't get what the universal nature of love vs. the less universal > state of being a sailor has to do with it, Em. it doesn't matter at all. Just occured to me, so I thought maybe I could say it. I blew it out my ASSSSSS! lol!!!! sorry Smurf. t'was but a fart!!!!! :D ok I'm done with this, you helped me process as far as I needed to. Any other comments will be good to read, but my "need" to volley has been met. Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:29:30 -0800 (PST) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: going to watery places Em, you're not getting nutty at all. I think Blue is just like you described. Such a small (short) song but infinite and expansive. It's tapping into something big. I always love it when someone brings up a lyric because so often I'm not really hearing what the lyrics are, so I always gain a new understanding of the song. Em wrote: I know you are a visual art person too, LOL. I thought for a second, oh dear, she has me confused with someone else. But then I remembered, I did the Jonifest logo, lol. Well, I've never thought of myself as a visual art person, but I do appreciate it and I'm certainly a visual artist wannabe. : ) Jenny Em wrote: Hi Jenny! wow you nailed some stuff too. Crown and anchor me...whew....make it official.. I never thought about he anchor part but the crown thing..I guess I thought "checkers"..like how the heck does that fit in. It doesn't. But my brain is attracted to it so hey why not. And I think you're right about the song Blue being a good one for visuals... as are so many of hers and Leonard's. Don't know why every once in a while I get a wild hair like I have to say words about songs. I guess cuz in sharing with other humans you sometimes have to, lol, use words. Blue is a small song in some ways...but HUGE in scope and depth..its like infinity and you can dive down into it, like the duck into the whiskey ocean in Hesitation Blues. OK I'm getting nutty so I will stop. Glad you weighed in on this Jenny - as I know you are a visual art person too, and so its good to "jam" with others who think in those terms. Em ps have been thinking too of those people who were scuba diving when the tsunami came by overhead and clung to coral to keep from the rush...wonder what they "saw" what visuals they got... - --- Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > Can I play? Hm, can I? > > I always thought of 'I've been to sea before' as Joni saying, I've > done this 'being free' thing. > 'Crown and anchor me or let me sail away'. Commit to this > relationship or let me go. Enough of this in between stuff. > > As usual, she's working on different levels is seems, so I can also > see the tattoo imagery relating to sailors and being at sea. Then > there's needles which relate to tattoos and drug use. > > So much to absorb and she says it all in just a few words. > > I think this song is perfect for getting 'pictures' Em. Sometimes I > think disecting lyrics doesn't properly convey the way a group of > words set to music impacts a listener. You don't have to know what > it all means to know what it means (to you). Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 11:42:35 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: going to watery places - --- Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > Well, I've never thought of myself as a visual art person, but I do > appreciate it and I'm certainly a visual artist wannabe. : ) well, you created that fine logo, so I guess you've been to sea before. :) Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:30:11 -0800 From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Future tripping SJC Gang, Wishing you all (and you too, Joni) a very Happy New Year. Thanks to Les I for another great year of JMDL. Recently I had to do a lot of moving some long distances several times. I had to reduce my CD library somewhat and had to sell some Jonis. The ones I kept are C&S, Hejira, WTRF and NRH. At Borders today, I allowed myself one Joni (along with the 5 piano concerti of Beethoven, plus the Choral Fantasy by same) which turned out to be THOSL. You really find out which ones mean the most when you don't have them and have the opportunity to re-purchase. If DJRD had been available, I would have taken that...I'm not disappointed at all in my choice......My cup is refilling. Love to all, Russ in Maine (formerly San Francisco, Honolulu and Hollywood, FL. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:38:31 -0500 From: "janine sherman" Subject: Oprah mag/ Renee Fleming's ear/Joni mention Happy Holidays to all and to all a fabulous New Year! With a little time to catch up on reading my past O magazines, I found a Joni mention in the Live Your Best Life section of 04's December's issue (sorry if it has already been mentioned) page 76. article: What's Playing in Renee Felming's Ear? (American soprano opera/jazz/elfish (LOTR) diva) taken from her recent Memoir The Inner Voice: The Making of a Singer..... Listed first: Joni Mitchell: The Hissing of Summer Lawns She has been a musical touchstone for me since I was about 17 years old. She gave voice to teh kind of young person I was:slightly melancholy, interospective and shy. contestthevote.org Love to all, Janine in balmy Gettysburg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:47:58 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Tsunami Hi Suzanne- I for one have not had the time to even think of the depth of this tragedy. The images I have seen have been so powerful that I tend to numb on contact. As the Disaster Relief Committee Chair for International Hospital for Children I have quietly been putting together a plan to help in some small way. I got this title during Hurricane Mitch when we had our first experience as a foundation with disaster relief. We held a telethon to raise money for our planned efforts, but also opened the door to people bringing in donations directly to us and to other locations in town. BIG MISTAKE!!! The outpouring of love from this community was unbelievable. We had mountains of donations and as volunteers trickled away we were left with a huge amount of work to complete the effort. All in all we raised over $500,000. Dollars (including $135,000 the night of the telethon alone) and sent over $20 Million dollars of in kind (medications, food, clothing, etc.) in 40 containers to Central America to try and help out. This time our effort is going to focus on what we know the best ***MEDICINE and MEDICAL SUPPLIES*** We have a large inventory now and will begin palletizing it soon. In the meantime we are doing fundraising to buy more meds needed from organizations like Blessing's International that sell at pennies on the dollar. I can buy thousands of doses of anti diarrhea and anti biotics for really cheap. Dennis Quaid who is on our Advisory Board is playing in town on New Years Eve at HOB will help us with a video taped appeal for funds for this effort. I just got off the phone with Senator Mary Landrieu (D-La) who helped me last time with air transport to Central America who has agreed to help us again. She is an amazing person and has been very supportive over the years. She is the kind of person who took the time to call me personally from her cell phone even though she is on vacation with her family and will be on the phone for the next couple of days with Colonels and Generals trying to get our donations where we need them to go. We are also planning a concert at HOB to raise more funds to buy more medical supplies. My friend Paul and his wife Mary Ann lived in Jakarta for many years and I have been trying to reach them to consult them on organizations and churches in those countries. If anyone would like to donate to this fund please send your check to: The International Hospital for Children C/O Michael Paz 17 Waverly Place Destrehan, La. 70047 Be sure to write on your check {JMDL Member "2004 Tsunami Relief Fund"} (else wise it will go into the general fund). I received so many donations from JMDL members in 1998 and our board was impressed with this Joni person whoever she is. If you would like more info on IHC please go to http://www.theihc.org/ You can also send it to the address on the website if you prefer, but if you send them to me at least I can monitor better the funds that I have personally helped raise. Thank you all for your support! No amount is too little or too much!! Love Paz > I am surprised and not that little is stated here on this incredible > disaster - yet all were in that disaster so to speak - all seems trivial > compared to this in the latest of "biblical" disasters > > s. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #371 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)