From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #341 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, November 30 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 341 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni, Hejira, and smoking pot [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] joni, hejira and smoking pot ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Joni, Hejira, and smoking pot [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni, Hejira, and smoking pot [Em ] Re: Joni, Hejira, and smoking pot [Em ] Re: Tammy Faye [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni, Hejira, and smoking pot [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni, Hejira, and NOT smoking pot [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni, Hejira, and NOT smoking pot [Em ] Re: Joni, Hejira, and NOT smoking pot [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni, Hejira, and NOT smoking pot [Em ] Re: movies of the 60's and 60's [LCStanley7@aol.com] Be Cool [Nuriel Tobias ] Joni Moment and raising children ["Happy The Man" ] Re: Joni, Hejira, and smoking pot [Deb Messling ] Romance In The Back Of [Nuriel Tobias ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:32:28 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, Hejira, and smoking pot **What do you mean by 'some mindbending', Bob? What happened back then? She was doing cocaine. Bob NP: Earth, Wind & Fire, "New World Symphony" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:39:15 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: joni, hejira and smoking pot I like that word "mindbending" Bob. "not that I ever did" that >Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:27:17 EST >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >Subject: Re: Joni, Hejira, and smoking pot >I'd always considered Dark Side Of The Moon to be the ultimate pot-smoking >record, not that I ever did. I just always imagined that it would be quite >complemented by a little mind-altering substance. >I was surprised that this guy chose Hejira, although I can see the >selection - - it's pretty deep and after all Joni was into some >mindbending when she wrote some of it if I recall. >Bob _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 04:57:50 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni, Hejira, and smoking pot SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: She was doing cocaine. Bob Ah, silly me, but of course she was doing cocaine! 2 more questions, if i may. I'd also like to know if she was ever working as a prostitute and if she was ever hospitalized at a mental institute... Nuriel Meet the all-new My Yahoo!  Try it today! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 04:59:04 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni, Hejira, and smoking pot yeah to me Hejira is more a cocaine album. Has that "white line" "wide awake when you shouldn't be" thing going on. Em - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > **What do you mean by 'some mindbending', Bob? What happened back > then? > > > > She was doing cocaine. > > Bob > > NP: Earth, Wind & Fire, "New World Symphony" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 04:55:01 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni, Hejira, and smoking pot yeah I feel that Hejira "moves" too much to be a stoner record. Would make me paranoid. LOTC is a better stoner record, cuz it stays in one spot. Course I'd say it all depends on how the pot makes a particular person feel. Em :) ps altho Amelia would be good - cuz thats way out in the desert, no one there to bug ya... - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > I'd always considered Dark Side Of The Moon to be the ultimate > pot-smoking > record, not that I ever did. I just always imagined that it would be > quite > complemented by a little mind-altering substance. > I was surprised that this guy chose Hejira, although I can see the > selection > - it's pretty deep and after all Joni was into some mindbending when > she > wrote some of it if I recall. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:08:25 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Tammy Faye Tammy was Grand Marshall of our Gay Pride celebration in Tampa a few years back. There a documentary done about her called The Eyes of Tammy Faye that was a favorite on the gay and lesbian film circuit. Tammy was the first evangelical to mention AIDS on her programs and did a talk show with Jim Bullock, who was out and HIV positive. Jerry > I was watching True Hollywood Stories (the only reason i tune to E on my TV) > and that time it was about Tammy Faye. It was the first time i heard about her > ex's "Heritage" plan and his idea of asking his "fans" to pay his institute > and get a room in the "Heritage" hotel, 3 days every year, in return, which > instantly reminded me of Joni's "Calling for large donations, Promising > estates". But it's not about him that i want to talk about. > While Tammy is basicly known as a "bad joke" (to say the least) - and i can > understand why folks would treat her as such - the documentry show was dealing > with the dry facts of her life, so that the viewer could then decide for > himself what portrait of hers would he paint. > Fact by fact, i suddenly started feeling that i'm viewing the story of Magda > Goebbels. A girl who was driven mad by her family, then a silly woman on high > heels that only wanted to be an artist but marched into a diabolic plan with > an idiotic smile, got addicted to it, and then was caught in a man's > spiderweb, went insane, without being able to get out of it ever again. > By the end of the program she said: "I'm Going To Hell". > Most of you would probably mock what i'm about to say next, but i couldn't > escape the feeling that Tammy could very easily reflect in Joni's songs, not > as the bitch, nor the wicked, but as all the namless women in Joni's songs > that got caught in a men's world, did everything they could to please them, > and while believing that they were a sort of First Ladies, were no more than > victims. > > Nuriel > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:10:55 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni, Hejira, and smoking pot > I'd always considered Dark Side Of The Moon to be the ultimate pot-smoking > record, not that I ever did. I just always imagined that it would be quite > complemented by a little mind-altering substance. > I was surprised that this guy chose Hejira, although I can see the selection > - it's pretty deep and after all Joni was into some mindbending when she > wrote some of it if I recall. > > Bob > The first song I ever listened to stoned was Magic Carpet Ride. Boy, was it. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:53:42 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni, Hejira, and NOT smoking pot Several years ago, as some of you may know, i had a breakdown that was caused by smoking pot. I haven't touched this sickening thing ever since then. I'm sorry if i'm insulting anyone who smokes it, but i'd rather swim naked in the gutter than even smell that disgusting thing again. Saying that "it all depends on how the pot makes a particular person feel" is cute, Em, and maybe i'm an example of someone who paid a very high price, but do believe me, i know every "It's relaxing me", "Only on weekends", "I'm natural" and "For inspiration" chant by heart. Once my mind was clouding away and i regained my sharpness, i could see what was really happening with my friends who used it - from heavy addicts to those who smoked it every now and then - and all of them, each and every one of them, told me how lucky i am. Those who were addicted to it - well, you really don't want to know about the wasting-themselves-swamp they were sunk in. Those who did it every now and then - a blind dog could see the strange spark in their eyes that they've named "relief". I left them all behind me. Not for the fear of being tempted, but because my heart was breaking when seeing the "magical change" taking over them. Not trying to be poetic here - i really burst in tears. 2 of my best friends quited smoking pot at the same time when i did. I have no term to describe what happened to them other than resurection. The main and maybe the only reason i smoked pot was to improve my listening to music. No pot? No music. The result was loosing all interest in music. But what was the curse turned to be the cure - music. Whenever i felt "the urge" i played music. No one helped me, i never went to an NA meeting, i read no book, and had no counceling. Music saved me. I owe it all to music. I can only speak for myself, but ever since that amazing day when i stopped that nonsense, i've started enjoying music just as i did when i was a drug-free teen. Remember those days in your life? Then you know what i mean. Listening to Joni when i was stoned made me numb and Joni's music was no more than a foggy background coming from a distant blender. Listening to Joni these days is such a pure pleasure that words can't describe it. No, there is a word for it. Fun. Love, Nuriel Em wrote: yeah I feel that Hejira "moves" too much to be a stoner record. Would make me paranoid. LOTC is a better stoner record, cuz it stays in one spot. Course I'd say it all depends on how the pot makes a particular person feel. Em :) ps altho Amelia would be good - cuz thats way out in the desert, no one there to bug ya... - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > I'd always considered Dark Side Of The Moon to be the ultimate > pot-smoking > record, not that I ever did. I just always imagined that it would be > quite > complemented by a little mind-altering substance. > I was surprised that this guy chose Hejira, although I can see the > selection > - it's pretty deep and after all Joni was into some mindbending when > she > wrote some of it if I recall. > > Bob Meet the all-new My Yahoo!  Try it today! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 07:07:30 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni, Hejira, and NOT smoking pot - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Saying that "it all depends on how the pot makes a > particular person feel" is cute, Em, and maybe i'm an example of > someone who paid a very high price, but do believe me, i know every > "It's relaxing me", "Only on weekends", "I'm natural" and "For > inspiration" chant by heart. Not trying to be cute Nuriel. And btw, I am not a smoker. Em ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 07:27:47 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni, Hejira, and NOT smoking pot Dear Em, Forgive me for my choice of words. You know that i respect you very much. It's just that whenever the "pot" issue pops up my fingers turn to cat claws. Nuri Em wrote: - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Saying that "it all depends on how the pot makes a > particular person feel" is cute, Em, and maybe i'm an example of > someone who paid a very high price, but do believe me, i know every > "It's relaxing me", "Only on weekends", "I'm natural" and "For > inspiration" chant by heart. Not trying to be cute Nuriel. And btw, I am not a smoker. Em The all-new My Yahoo!  What will yours do? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 07:54:58 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni, Hejira, and NOT smoking pot well you're not the only one Nuriel. Others have that reaction too. In fact this just happened on another list I'm on, not too long ago. And I think over there we decided to not ever talk about any drug stuff again. ( i think that's what was decided) So I should have known better than to even be part of this conversation - - as I've seen where they can lead. One man's nostalgia and innocence is another man's poison. I guess underground things need to stay underground. But one thing I appreciate about Joni is her toughness and matter of factness and non-judgemental-ness about this stuff. Hey, she's been to sea before. And so have you Nuri, and I repect that. Em - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Dear Em, > > Forgive me for my choice of words. You know that i respect you very > much. It's just that whenever the "pot" issue pops up my fingers turn > to cat claws. > > Nuri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Em wrote: > --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > > > Saying that "it all depends on how the pot makes a > > particular person feel" is cute, Em, and maybe i'm an example of > > someone who paid a very high price, but do believe me, i know every > > "It's relaxing me", "Only on weekends", "I'm natural" and "For > > inspiration" chant by heart. > > Not trying to be cute Nuriel. > And btw, I am not a smoker. > Em > The all-new My Yahoo!  What will yours do? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:35:59 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: movies of the 60's and 60's Brother Sun Sister Moon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:49:31 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Be Cool To all of you who read my "NOT smoking pot" post and now think of me as a geek who's unworthy to be a jmdl member, i'd like you all to know that i'm totally addicted to chocolate. Nuriel Meet the all-new My Yahoo!  Try it today! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:46:56 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Joni Moment and raising children This morning on our local station KGSR the played "River" with the comment "...if we have to start Christmas crap now let's at least be a little reflective about it..." and the proceeded to play "River". My middle son moved in with me a month ago. He is probably one of the smartest people I know but got caught up in a heavy drug culture after my divorce. His anger made it very hard for us to communicate for almost two years. He didn't graduate with his high school class but finished up his work a couple of weeks later. I have him a IPOD for graduation and put about 1400 songs (my collection) on it for him. We took a road trip a couple of weeks ago for the day and drove out to West Texas (I had some business in Sonora). About two hours into the trip I put on some Joni (Blue) and he proceeded to sing along with every song. I thought it was because I played it so much when they were growing up (in between the backstreet boys, new kids on the block, etc that their mother played) that he got it through osmosis over the years. He told me that he listened to it on the IPOD and that he really enjoyed her and Dylan. Since then I have listedned to more Hooberstank, Modest Mouse and Good Charlotte. He also stays up late at night watching movies after he gets home from work. He doesn't rent anything himself so whatever I rent he watches. I decided to change my thinking on what movies I watched and decided that over the next year I would try to watch the AFI top 100 list. http://www.afi.com/tvevents/100years/movies.aspx We started with The Graduate the other day and then Pulp Fiction. So hopefully we will make it down the list. He didn't like the graduate and though pulp fiction was great. Next step to get him into college. Peace, Craig NP: Elton John - Mona Lisa and Mad Hatters ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:15:17 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: RE: Tammy Faye's Eyes There's a "Sundance films" marathon sometime soon in our town. I hope it's included, if so, i'll be there. Check out www.tammyfaye.com (in case you haven't already) - she writes notes, and her latest one is so funny it'll kill you. Thanks Wally, Nuri p.s. My mother in law's name is also Tammy. There's a film about her too. "Alien". Wally Kairuz wrote: nuriel, you should see "the eyes of tammy faye" (or "tammy faye's eyes -- i can't remember the exact title). i have it on video. it is just SUBLIME. wally Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:37:15 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Joni, Hejira, and smoking pot >Some people who used to smoke pot have told me that their favorite >Joni-album-while-stoned was DJRD, and specifically the title track. Some >combination of the melody, the bass line, and the lyrics - can't analyze >it any better than that. These people don't remember any other record, >Joni or non-Joni, that they specifically liked to listen to while stoned. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:04:24 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Romance In The Back Of Baring a child when you're a teen wasn't really a joyful time for Joni. You'd think that Joni's approach to teens making love would have to be a bit sad and bitter. Yet, there's so much Joy De Vivre and joviality in the way Joni sings about teens making love in Ray's Dad Cadillac...Isn't it strange and lovely?:) Nuri Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. 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