From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #333 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, November 22 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 333 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- The Arrangement [Lori Fye ] Re: Borderline ["Kate Bennett" ] Subject: Re: Borderline ["Jim" ] Re: The Arrangement [Nuriel Tobias ] Jericho [Nuriel Tobias ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:20:25 -0500 From: Lori Fye Subject: The Arrangement Sitting here on this soon-to-be sunny Sunday morning, about to drift into afternoon, listening to Ladies Of The Canyon ... "The Arrangement," always one of my favorite songs, is playing. An indictment on selling one's soul to buy into the "great" Western/American dream that is consumerism and debt and materialism. Taken as a letter or a poem written to one person, it's still so easy to view it as a message to all of us. It's a theme that has run through Joni's work for 30 years. We could have been more. Lori, feeling reflective as I drink from my "Back To The Garden" Jonifest 2002 coffee mug ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 08:38:42 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Borderline Bobsart >basically I think of it as just another 'letter home' from her, putting down what she sees as she sees it. It could apply equally well to both sides of almost any conflict - then and now. PPS - I have found that having a good system on which to listen to T is more critical than for most recordings, because of its complexity. Has anyone else found that to be true ?< nice to have you back bobsart! I like your idea of posting those lyrics to friends... & I think I may have missed the boat in at least reading them at our recent joni tribute which came only days after the election... I loved t'log from the start but realize its that time of year to pull it out & listen again... yes I think a good sound system is critical (after all she recorded in that awesome studio in england where they do soundtracks- forget the name at this moment)... not sure how excellent our is but it seems to be good enough to really enjoy this record... for me it is not background music... it is turn off the lights, light the candles, stoke the fireplace, get out the red wine, lie on the couch & take a journey kind of music... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:59:28 -0500 From: "Jim" Subject: Subject: Re: Borderline Welcome back, Bob S. You said in part, >PPS - I have found that having a good system on which to listen to T is >more critical than for most recordings, because of its complexity. Has anyone else found that to be true ?> Now me: Sorta, yeah. The orchestra is recorded in a natural way (without a lot of compression as we got on C&S for example.) I miss a lot of Travelogue if I have it on softly. I think it was Kate B. who said "Travelogue is not background music; it's foreground music." Jim L'Hommedieu Covington, Kentucky, USA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:38:55 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: The Arrangement As i see it, "The Arrangement" is the dark side of "Conversation" (And Joni's written more than just those 2 songs in her Songs to Aging Husbands series). But you know, sometimes i think that Joni's take on marriage life is too bitter, upset and criticizing. (Unless it's hers and Larry's - they're not "stuck" in some "Arrangement" - they have "Solid Love"). Nuriel Lori Fye wrote: Sitting here on this soon-to-be sunny Sunday morning, about to drift into afternoon, listening to Ladies Of The Canyon ... "The Arrangement," always one of my favorite songs, is playing. An indictment on selling one's soul to buy into the "great" Western/American dream that is consumerism and debt and materialism. Taken as a letter or a poem written to one person, it's still so easy to view it as a message to all of us. It's a theme that has run through Joni's work for 30 years. We could have been more. Lori, feeling reflective as I drink from my "Back To The Garden" Jonifest 2002 coffee mug Discover all thats new in My Yahoo! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:49:05 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Jericho I always feel strange when listening to Jericho. ( And i wouldn't have unless i realy loved that song) Joni uses the falling of Jericho's walls as a symbol to unconditional love, open and free, a way to keep the good feelings alive. Does she know that Jericho is the first occupied territory in the Bible? Does she know that after the falling of the walls all Jericho's citizens, from babies to women, were slaughtered? Surely she wouldn't have written a song dealing with the same ideas in Jericho and name it Fallujah! While other cities that were conquered by Joshua's army left no archaeological trace, Jericho did, and all scientists agree that Jericho had no walls at all. Another interesting fact is that during the very short time when it seemed like Israel and Palestine were about to sign a peace agreement, a casino was built in Jericho (which is at the occupied terrtories). Gambling in not allowed in Israel - so when the Jericho casino was opened - nearly everyone in Israel rushed to the Jericho casino. It was a dream-like situation to see Israeli soldiers entertaining themselves and served by Palestinian waitresses. When "troubles" started again - Israeli gamblers refused to accept the fact that they were no longer allowed to enter Jericho, and used tricks and lies to enter it untill the Jericho casino became a war-zone, and was closed. Nuriel Meet the all-new My Yahoo!  Try it today! ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #333 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)