From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #317 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, November 7 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 317 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni In Havana [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: New Jonifest dates [AsharaJM@aol.com] running away to Canada [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Happy birthday! ["Timothy Spong" ] Five For Fighting' [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Joni mention! [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: Happy birthday! [Catherine McKay ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Five For Fighting' [Catherine McKay ] Re: New Jonifest dates [] re: musical influencers / Baez/ JONI birthday!! [Em ] re: musical influencers / Baez/ JONI birthday!! [Catherine McKay ] Re:I voted for Bush. [John Calimee ] Re:I voted for Bush. [mags h ] re: musical influencers / Baez/ JONI birthday!! [Catherine McKay Subject: Joni In Havana Did you know that the hippest club in Havana these days is called - "Joni's"? Hugs, Nuri Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 08:39:37 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: New Jonifest dates Sounds good to me! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:18:23 EST From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: running away to Canada This is from today's Boston Globe: "7. The biggest argument against immigrating to Canada is: You're going in the wrong direction! With all due respect to our northern neighbors, anyone who is anyone bolted years ago. Peter Jennings, Mike Myers, Joni Mitchell, Jim Carrey, Frank Gehry (would they take him back?) -- the list goes on and on. Have talent, will travel -- southward. You might want to ask yourself why. So please, think twice. They don't want you, and we would prefer that you stay. If the new administration is a problem, just don't turn on your television for the next four years." I wouldn't have mentioned this story here if there hadn't been Joni content, but you can read the entire article if you want to do so at: << http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2004/11/06/no_canada/ >> - --Smurf, in a blue state in a blue state ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 16:20:22 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Happy birthday! Joni, if you're reading this, Happy birthday 2004, and many more happy, healthy ones. Thanks again for the music, poetry, visual art and always telling it like it is. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. ... posting a day early so Digest subscribers, such as I, will see it on the actual day. _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:30:00 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Five For Fighting' I watched them on the Today show singing "100 Years To Live", and can't help but think that they were inspired by Joni's "The Circle Game" in writing this song. The message is basicly the same. I bought the CD months ago and really enjoy them. Anyone else agree? Peace Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:36:50 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Joni mention! I forgot to say that in the Fall "Martha Stewart Living" (no pun on fall) on page 101 they mention singing Joni Mitchell songs around the campfire. Seems Joni growing up singing around campfires might have inspired them. The number or symble for time stoping is 101. Peace, Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:07:16 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Happy birthday! --- Timothy Spong wrote: > Joni, if you're reading this, > > Happy birthday 2004, and many more happy, healthy > ones. Thanks again for > the music, poetry, visual art and always telling it > like it is. > > Tim Spong > Dover, Del., U.S.A. > > > ... posting a day early so Digest subscribers, > such as I, will see it on > the actual day. > Thanks, Tim, for posting this. I don't pay much attention to birthdays, including my own - no, especially my own! There are so many candles now that the neighbours always call 911. Joan, long may you live! And continue to create in the way that you see best. You've given us so much and yet, like spoiled children, we always cry out for more. I wish you a long life, health and happiness. All the best. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:17:53 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Five For Fighting' --- MINGSDANCE@aol.com wrote: > I watched them on the Today show singing "100 > Years To Live", and can't > help but think that they were inspired by Joni's > "The Circle Game" in writing > this song. The message is basicly the same. I bought > the CD months ago and really > enjoy them. > Anyone else agree? > Peace > Mingus Absolutely yes, Ming. I didn't see the show, but I know the song. It is a very touching and beautiful song and I'm so glad you mentioned it here. I have a lot to learn from my kids and first heard "Five for fighting" through them. I don't know if they're Joni fans for not, but doesn't absolutely everyone claim her as an influence? I also love their song "Superman". I just checked out their website and John Ondrasik does claim Pink Floyd as an influence. http://www.fiveforfighting.com/ ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:19:25 -0800 (PST) From: Steven Blue Subject: Happy Birthday May I wish the happiest of birthdays and may all of your dreams come true. As with the others on this list, those still here and those gone away, I humbly take a smiling bow and say Happy Birthday................................ Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:48:54 -0600 From: Subject: Re: New Jonifest dates August 13-15 works much better for me. Mary. > > From: "Laurent Olszer" > Date: 2004/11/05 Fri PM 12:24:08 CST > To: "Kate Bennett" , , > "Jerry Notaro" , , > "Donna Binkley" , > "Jamie Zubairi" , > "Martin Giles" , > "Michael Paz" , > "Gordon Mackie" , > "Chris Marshall" , , > "Emiliano" , > "Lori Fye" , , > "ron old mweb" , > CC: > Subject: New Jonifest dates > > Hi > > The middle of august seems more convenient for some people. > Since we haven't really set the dates officially yet, would you be OK for august 13-15? > > Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 15:24:34 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: re: musical influencers / Baez/ JONI birthday!! - --- Em wrote: > Hi guys, Joan Baez had alot of impact on my life for a couple > reasons. Hey sorry - I feel like a jerk a bit - talking about Baez on Joni's birthday or birthday eve. Sorry! Have removed the NJC..... Ms. Mitchell! some folks seem to think (or hope) you lurk here..and if so, please accept this toast to your wonderous, lovely, amazing self. Thank you for alllllllllllllll the textures and colors and emotions. The movement, the attitude, the cheek. Bless you! and to quote ol' Neil, may I simply say "long may you RUN!" And Joni, if you are listening....is Turbulent Indigo a waltz??? waitin' for that next waltz... :) love, Em ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 19:22:07 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: re: musical influencers / Baez/ JONI birthday!! --- Em wrote: > > Ms. Mitchell! some folks seem to think (or hope) you > lurk here..and if > so, please accept this toast to your wonderous, > lovely, amazing self. > Thank you for alllllllllllllll the textures and > colors and emotions. > The movement, the attitude, the cheek. > Bless you! and to quote ol' Neil, may I simply say > "long may you RUN!" > And Joni, if you are listening....is Turbulent > Indigo a waltz??? > waitin' for that next waltz... > :) > love, > Em Em, dear Em, no one has taken a stab at answering your "Is Turbulent Indigo a waltz?" question. It does kind of *feel* like a waltz, and yet it also *feels* like 6/8 time to me. Dunno. Don't have the music and ain't really a musician as such. It does have that DA-da-da DA-da-da feel to it, and that feels like waltz. Most waltzes are in 3/4 time. One website I found said waltzes could ONLY be in 3/4 time - but I did find a website that gave a list of styles and one that was included was "jazz waltz in 6/8". So possibly TI is a jazz waltz? (see quite near the bottom of the page at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Marble/9607/0006.htm for this.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 16:48:48 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: re: musical influencers / Baez/ JONI birthday!! Hi Catherine! well thanks for the reponse. I guess it makes sense in a way. A rollicking, not quite sober waltz, perhaps. Reminds me of some of the awkwardness when old European "town" brass bands would play..the kind that would play for funerals and all - like in the Sicilian funeral scene of the Godfather. Just not quite "right" somehow, and yet full of forward motion. Like a waltz with a limp or a wooden leg. I feel like it needs to be played on a slightly out of tune mandolin with a squeezebox and a clarinet perhaps by a cross-eyed person who winks at you. Gypsy intruments maybe? A band that coulda blown through Vincent's town way back when. Thanks for playing, Catherine! And thanks for the link, too. :D Em - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > Em, dear Em, no one has taken a stab at answering your > "Is Turbulent Indigo a waltz?" question. It does kind > of *feel* like a waltz, and yet it also *feels* like > 6/8 time to me. Dunno. Don't have the music and ain't > really a musician as such. It does have that DA-da-da > DA-da-da feel to it, and that feels like waltz. > > Most waltzes are in 3/4 time. One website I found said > waltzes could ONLY be in 3/4 time - but I did find a > website that gave a list of styles and one that was > included was "jazz waltz in 6/8". So possibly TI is a > jazz waltz? > > (see quite near the bottom of the page at > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Marble/9607/0006.htm > for this.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:53:00 -0600 From: John Calimee Subject: Re:I voted for Bush. > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:49:31 -1000 > From: "dfrench" > Subject: i voted for bush > > i kind of hesitated this post ......i see that most here are in a hateful > state for bush i hope this makes sense ....if the > democrats would have put up a better candidate i would go for that but > kerry/heinz is too much of an asshole for president....sorry Sorry Dfrench, This doesn't make sense. On one hand you 'hesitantly' bring up how uncomfortable it makes you feel, having to read bitter, hateful mail on the JMDL about Bush, then you UNHESITANTLY refer to Kerry as 'too much of an asshole to be president.' It seems the hate spills from both directions, unless you'd care to explain to me how the term 'asshole' is compassionate and loving? Don't condemn others for what you've just done yourself. Certainly, those who have been posting political comments -regardless of position- to the ONLY JONI list have overstepped decorum by doing so. But most people here haven't called them on it because they are sensitive to the hurt these people are enduring with the results of the election. The quiet have been willing to look the other way -for awhile- because they know in short order the bruised nerves and open wounds will eventually heal. The list will again return to all things Joni. Perhaps you might for a moment indulge yourself with a bit of 'wearing the other guy's clothing' and try to understand where the 'hate' is coming from? Since you KNOW you are right... and you've WON what you've wanted, there's hardly any loss on your part to reflect for a moment the position of the other side? Humor me. For you, the election is over and you can go about the business of your life without a single loss or change. Nothing is different and everything is cool. For the gays on the list that is not the case. Their lives HAVE been substantially altered. And what dreams they had for the future almost certainly crushed. While you may see the issue of gay marriage as being as simple as 'man and a woman', the issue runs much deeper for gays and lesbians. For us it runs to the heart of what it means to be a citizen in America, what protections are afforded to EVERYONE under the Constitution, and the ability to pursue life, liberty and happiness. The important, over arching, unresolved question behind the gay marriage issue wasn't about marriage at all. It was an issue of wheither or not being GAY defines one as a 'class' of citizen, or if being gay is simply a lifestyle choice. From the position of the Christian (?) Right, gay is nothing more than a sinful, heinous CHOICE inspired by 'Satan' and contrary to the will of 'god.' From this position it can be argued that in a 'nation under god' no law should support or condone bad, ungodly choices. What Gays argue is that being gay is not a choice, but a biologially determined factor in their make-up, same as everyone else. (Unless you'd care to tell me about the day you 'chose' to be straight. -I'd love to hear about it! Seriously.) If one can be born gay, it would by definition make gays a CLASS of citizen. And under the equal protection clause of the Constitution, any law excluding the rights of a Class has to meet the highest standard possible. Meaning 'just because' isn't good enough. The equal protection clause isn't a liberal thing or conservative thing. It is the Constitution. And all laws should be subject to examination in that light. Using the 'its choice' definition of the President and the Christian Right, gays are not only excluded from the equal protection of the right to marry, they are excluded from ALL protections, save for the small number of Liberal (!!!) minded communities that have included sexual orientation as a protected class. -And you should witness how bitterly the Right fight in those civic battles!!! Presently, having no defined protections under the law, I could go into work monday and my boss could fire me for being gay. He could tell me as much to my face and I would have not a single legal recourse against him. None. Equally, I could be denied housing on the same grounds. Who would I turn to? The President? -When the nation was attacked on Sept. 11, one of the 'outrages' of being ill prepared for terrorism was how few arabic interpretors we had to read the messages being passed back and forth between the terrorists. We had merely 25 people on staff pouring over tons of messages. A situation where one more interpretor may have been the difference between what happened and saving all 3,000 plus lives. In the face of this fact, George Bush allowed 6 of those interpretors to be dismissed because they were GAY!!! As if the people trapped in those towers would have cared if the person that could have saved them were gay or straight. Can you imagine those terrified, frightened people calling down for help and the operator saying, "We're sending fire fighters right now to help you." And those people replying, "OK. But are they straight???" "-Excuse me?" "Are they straight. Because if they aren't straight, I don't want them to come." Or imagine the thousands of husbands and wifes, lovers and friends and family members who lost their loved ones in those buildings. Do you think they would give a rats ass what the sexuality of the person would be if that person could bring back their loved ones? So sure, the President tells us America is not safe. -But it is safe enough for a bit of home grown job discrimination. This is the man I should seek out for help in getting my job back? The man to secure my right to a place to live? The certainty that my mail will be delivered? That a paramedic will take me to a hospital should a crisis arise??? How easy it is for you to feel 'discomforted' by the hateful verbage on this list. You who gets out of bed still married, still working, still capable of making health decisions for your loved ones. Meanwhile, the discomfort for the gay left is far more substantial. You already have yours. Given the type ofjudges Bush is about to appoint, it's unlikely I will see 'mine' in my lifetime. And you wonder why people sound so bitter on this list??? Last point. And an ironic point at that: If you think you're uncomfortable with what people are saying about George here on the list, I doubt you'd feel any more comfort if you were sitting in Joni Mitchell's home. The girl would give you an earful and you wouldn't like a word of it. Peace. My appologies to the Joni Only list. I won't do this, or carry this conversation on the list again. Any other comments can be directed. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 20:02:59 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: Re:I voted for Bush. I am on joni only and I am glad you wrote this missive without the NJC. Your post is brave, moving, brilliant, clearly one of the most powerful pieces I have read on this list in the over four years since Ive been here. Send this to the papers, to the press. You raise many, many good and thought provoking points and have given me much to think about. It is my hope that others learn from you too, and let your messages sink in, down deep. Yes, there;s a lot of outrage on this list, a fallout from this past week, and why on earth wouldnt there be. What a turn of events. We've all seen the past four years, which clearly informs the fear of what now, what next. Im afraid to even begin to imagine. I wouldnt call it hatred so much....and if you want to look at hatred, look at what is behind the things that propelled this man back onto his throne. I am shocked to know that things are falling backward. By the way , no need to apologize. While I cannot claim to speak for the others on this side of the fence, fwiw, I wont ever get upset when NJC posts leak through to this space. Life is way too short to moan and bitch about such things. Yes, I am well aware of the purpose of Joni only and it is my right to express myself too. It really is easy to scroll past something that you dont want to read, on or off the JC list. There are bigger things to attend to. Like the next four weeks, months, years. Be strong, and keep your head up. Be the change you want to see in your country and in the world. Dont give up. Mags, in admiration - ----- what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? - ----- Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 23:44:11 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: re: musical influencers / Baez/ JONI birthday!! --- Em wrote: > Hi Catherine! > well thanks for the reponse. I guess it makes sense > in a way. > A rollicking, not quite sober waltz, perhaps. > Reminds me of some of the awkwardness when old > European "town" brass > bands would play..the kind that would play for > funerals and all - like > in the Sicilian funeral scene of the Godfather. Just > not quite "right" > somehow, and yet full of forward motion. Like a > waltz with a limp or a > wooden leg. > I feel like it needs to be played on a slightly out > of tune mandolin > with a squeezebox and a clarinet perhaps by a > cross-eyed person who > winks at you. Gypsy intruments maybe? > A band that coulda blown through Vincent's town way > back when. Beautiful! That's it exactly! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 02:08:29 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Five For Fighting' Thanks Cathrine, I took your advice and went straight to their web site. I wrote John and already got a reply: He seems to hold high regards for Joni. Subj: Great Job on the Today show! Date: 11/6/04 12:56:12 PM Eastern Standard Time From: MINGSDANCE To: Fiveforfriends Really great job on the show today. I have been a big fan and play your music daily. Just wondering if Joni Mitchell's music is an influence on "100 Years to live," It has a similar message as " The Circle Game" Hope you come to Florida soon I would give anything to attend your concert. Take care, David Mingus Subj: Re: Great Job on the Today show! Date: 11/7/04 12:18:53 AM Eastern Standard Time From: Fiveforfriends To: MINGSDANCE thank you...yes, i was played circle game after i cut 100 years...similar sentiment...of course joni said it much better than i ever could of... best j ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 02:53:06 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Happy Birthday Joni! "Happy Birthday Joni" I took the liberties and added a verse just for you. Seeing life from both sides now your life has mended Little Green's offspring are dancing just for you life has now become a horn of plenty As all these accolades and honors coming through And these dreams for you are coming true So drag your feet now let "s just see what"s coming new And the seasons they go round and round And the painted ponies go up and downWe're captive on the carousel of time We can't return, we can only look behind From where we came And go round and round and round In your circle game Love, Mingus ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #317 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)