From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #316 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, November 6 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 316 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Jonifest and details [] Re: Jonifest and details ["Laurent Olszer" ] New Jonifest dates ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: New Jonifest dates [Emiliano ] New Jonifest dates ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #448 ["ron old mweb" ] Joni vs. Ashlee! ["Kay Ashley" ] Re: Perfect Circle's "Fiddle and the Drum" ["willytheshake100" ] the relevance of an analytic approach to Joni's music [FredNow@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 10:18:20 -0600 From: Subject: RE: Jonifest and details Laurent: There's going to be a Jonifest in France?? YOWSA!!! Please forgive for former ignorance, and my current enthusiasm: I've been living under a rock for the past three weeks. Seriously: this is something I'm tentatively very interested in. Unfortunately, the dates of August 6-8, 2005 might not be the greatest for me. Is this final? If not, is later in August possible? And where do I get more information?? Thanks much (and now feeling hopeful about something after a week of despair), Mary, who just may be an Italian citizen be then. Not kidding. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:43:26 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Jonifest and details > There's going to be a Jonifest in France?? YOWSA!!! > > Please forgive for former ignorance, and my current enthusiasm: I've been living under a rock for the past three weeks. > > Seriously: this is something I'm tentatively very interested in. Unfortunately, the dates of August 6-8, 2005 might not be the greatest for me. Is this final? If not, is later in August possible? > > And where do I get more information?? > > Not kidding. > Hi Mary The dates are not final yet but several people have indicated a strong preference for the 1st half of august, which necessarily means 6-8th because of tourist congestion towards the 15th and the 31st. I have no preference, just trying to satisfy the majority. I'll forward the details to you separately. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:24:08 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: New Jonifest dates Hi The middle of august seems more convenient for some people. Since we haven't really set the dates officially yet, would you be OK for august 13-15? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:38:01 +0100 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: New Jonifest dates Hi, Laurent! I guess there's no problem for me about the exact dates in August. I mean: I'm free from work for the entire month Anyway, I'd prefer avoiding to drive long distance in 15th (due to heavy traffic), but that's no serious problem for my part. Many thanks for caring about this!!! Have a Wonderful time! Yours: Emiliano - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: "Laurent Olszer" ... > Hi > > The middle of august seems more convenient for some people. > Since we haven't really set the dates officially yet, would you be OK for > august 13-15? > > Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 19:45:56 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: New Jonifest dates > Anyway, I'd prefer avoiding to drive long distance in 15th (due to heavy > traffic), but that's no serious problem for my part. > : Emiliano > You're absolutely right, the highways will be congested on that day. However if we already are at the fest on the 15th we don't care, and there are no highways there so no crowds except us! Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:49:16 +0200 From: "ron old mweb" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #448 hi >>> a lurker from Albany NY wrote >>>>No one can listen to the other side anymore. Sounds like everybody thinks everybody on the other side is an asshole. Oh well. I'm disappointed with the election outcome too. I know full well though I can't get anyone on the other side to "get it". Americans thrive on hate, winning and losing, black and white. Gray areas are not our forte huh? well - i for one am feeling quite ashamed of, surprised by my outpouring of anger, & bitterness. i never will accept or understand or tolerate mr bush, or the vast majority of his supporters. but there are some folks i like & respect who support him. again - i dont think ill ever understand why - but that is their right, & they have the right to be treated with respect. tolerance, tolerance, tolerance is something i certainly seem to have forgotten....... so i would like to apologise - to all those folks who a) arent assholes and b) support bush. its your prerogative to have youur opinion, and not be belittled for it................ ron np - richard & linda thompson - strange affair - watching the dark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 16:02:42 -0500 From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: Joni vs. Ashlee! Dear Listers, The Honduran Fertility Goddess has decided to make a pronouncement. I'll get back to you on that. In the meantime, I have received the following bit from the Knitting Factory email newsletter, and I thought that all of you would appreciate it: Knitting Factory Newsletter 11/05/04 Whats up NYC? Ill tell you whats up! Instead of just sitting idly by as the strings of the puppet continue to get pulled we are going to keep on working to make this a better world! We here at the Knitting Factory are not going to let what has to be one of the biggest disappointments in our nations history pass without incident. We as a people deserve better, America! We WILL NOT let this tragedy just happen! Yes, I am talking about the Ashlee Simpson debacle (or am I?)! Knitting Factory along with H.O.P.E. (Horrified Observers of Pedestrian Entertainment) are offering the good people of America who have been duped into buying Ashlee Simpson's CD a reprieve; the opportunity to turn in her CD for one of a higher entertainment quality. Just bring your Ashlee Simpson CD down to the Knitting Factory Box Office between 10 and 5 PM Mon thru Sat and get one by the likes of Elvis Costello, The Ramones, X, Jimmy Page and Robert Plant, Aretha Franklin, Mr. Bungle, Ray Charles, Abe Lincoln Story, Grateful Dead, Neil Hamburger, Joni Mitchell, and Brian Wilson (while supplies last / selections vary) courtesy of Rhino Records in replacement. God, Yaweh, Jevovah, and Allah Bless America. - ------------------------- In other news, Jenny Goodspeed came down to NYC a couple of weekends ago to record some harmonies for me on my cover version of "Pink Moon" -- it sounds great, I have to say! I should have her sing my whole record for me! Thanks again, Jenny -- that was so much fun, and you added so much. A few days later I hooked up with our favorite Utah Hussy, Alison Einerson and our favorite member of Mandonna, Patrick Leader, for dinner -- Alison is sparkling beautifully with her lovely engagement ring and her new dye job, and Patrick is glowing with new-found health and a chic short haircut. Ashara, he is looking more and more like Viggo every day! Sorry to have been so incommunicado, ya'll -- I miss the Uncle Festers and will always think of our time at Full Moon with great love and gratitude. Love, Kay npimh: the despairing screams of depressed liberals everywhere. _____________________________________________________________ The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems and notify the sender immediately. You should not retain, copy or use this email for any purpose, nor disclose all or any part of its content to any other person. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 21:59:53 -0000 From: "willytheshake100" Subject: Re: Perfect Circle's "Fiddle and the Drum" Bob, Thanks for sending the Fiddle/Drum. Not sure what to make of it on first hearing. It sounds computer generated - ye know, lacking those slight imperfections that reflect the soul. Yes it sounds too perfect. Should I be reading something into the name? Imperfections might be the wrong word. Have a swell weekend. WtS > Subject: Re: Subject: Perfect Circle's "Fiddle And The Drum" > Coming at ya, fellas - I'd love to hear your thoughts. > > Peace, > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:29:49 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Perfect Circle's "Fiddle And The Drum" Very interesting version. I'm an old fogey so I hadn't heard any of Perfect Circle's other music (or that of Tool, either, although I at least had heard of Tool) so I checked out the clips on Amazon ... pretty interesting covers of Lennon, Gaye, Lowe, Led Zep. Really beyond covers, in some cases more like re-composition ... Imagine and (WSFB)PL&U? are now in minor tonality, strange but cool. I was tempted to check more of it out. As far as F&D, I dug it in and of itself, but compared to how far they took other songs I was a little disappointed they didn't go further with this one. But it stands up fine on its own terms ... it's mainly based on that drone-y martial sound, which is entirely appropriate, and they do it well. The fast quiver of some of their vibrato bugs me a little, although not as bad as Buffy St, Marie. I guess my main complaint, if I had to have one, is that Joni's single-line version actually implies much more varied harmonic content than they used. Speaking of CSN&Y, I'd like to hear a version by them along the lines of Crosby's song I'd Swear There Was Somebody Here from his seminal solo album If I Could Only Remember My Name ... now *that's* some adventurous (for this genre, at least) harmony -- more clusters and color tones, thicker, "consonant dissonance." Still, really nice to hear some of the younger folks discovering the classics, and F&D is right on time ... what a great song. Thanks, Bob. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 14:41:58 -0800 (PST) From: kate@katebennett.com Subject: Re: New Jonifest dates i'm okay with that date or the original one... we are making this into a longer trip- barcelona & a friend of jeff's in italy on either side of the time in france... is it only the 15th that is higway conjested? Laurent Olszer wrote: >> Anyway, I'd prefer avoiding to drive long distance in 15th (due to heavy >> traffic), but that's no serious problem for my part. >> > : Emiliano >> > You're absolutely right, the highways will be congested on that day. > However if we already are at the fest on the 15th we don't care, and there > are no highways there so no crowds except us! > > Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 18:08:51 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Perfect Circle's "Fiddle And The Drum" **Should I be reading something into the name? Oh Willy - you and your wordplay! :~) I actually found it flawed enough to really like it, and they threw some interesting harmonic curveballs. Thanks a bunch for your opinion, and you too Fred. My offer remains open to anyone who wants to hear it. Bob NP: Arrested Development, "Natural" (sounds like the weekend 2 me!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 01:11:30 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: New Jonifest dates is it only the 15th that is higway conjested? > Kate And the beginning and end of the month. Also to a lesser extent every saturdays because that when summer rentals end. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 02:30:44 -0500 From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: the relevance of an analytic approach to Joni's music Dan, I totally agree. Investigating the nuts and bolts of *any* music I love has *never* diminished its magic, in fact, only amplified it. You may or may not be familiar with scientist Richard Feynman, and this marvelous quote of his: "I have a friend who's an artist, and he sometimes takes a view which I don't agree with. He'll hold up a flower and say, 'Look how beautiful it is,' and I'll agree. But then he'll say, 'I, as an artist, can see how beautiful a flower is. But you, as a scientist, take it all apart and it becomes dull.' I think he's kind of nutty. First of all, the beauty that he sees is available to other people--and to me, too, I believe. Although I might not be quite as refined aesthetically as he is, I can appreciate the beauty of a flower. But at the same time, I see much more in the flower than he sees. I can imagine the cells inside, which also have a beauty. There's beauty not just at the dimension of one centimeter; there's also beauty at a smaller dimension. There are the complicated actions of the cells, and other processes. The fact that the colors in the flower have evolved in order to attract insects to pollinate it is interesting; that means insects can see the colors. That adds a question: does this aesthetic sense we have also exist in lower forms of life? There are all kinds of interesting questions that come from a knowledge of science, which only adds to the excitement and mystery and awe of a flower. It only adds. I don't understand how it subtracts." I take this statement as a resounding endorsement of the relevance of an analytic approach to Joni's music ... it only adds; I don't understand how it subtracts. I hope to read your dissertation some day. All best, Fred Simon Shnootre@aol.com wrote: >>I wanted to respond to the question of the relevance of an analytic approach >>to Joni's music. I am actually a performer and a composer, and yes, more >>recently, a scholar. For me it does a disservice to Joni's art to simply >>dismiss the technical components of her work as irrelevant, or secondary to >>the emotional or poetic content. These things all go hand in hand. A good >>music theorist is drawn to a work he or she loves, and sets about trying to >>come to terms with its magic. This involves considerations of context, poetic >>text, a whole bunch of "intangibles," and yes, specific consideration of the >>music's technical construction. It's true, theorists (and I generally don't >>consider myself a "theorist") can lose the forest for the trees, but a good >>analysis avoids doing just that. Joni is a strikingly innovative and original >>composer, and for a daylong symposium on her accomplishment to gloss over the >>nuts and bolts of some of her music making would seem to me to be a shame. >>The Monteal Gazette article poked fun of me for devoting a 45 minute >>discussion to a single song ("The Last Time I Saw Richard") and claiming not >>to have time to address the intro. (Actually it was a 20 minute talk, w/ 25 >>minutes of questions). I ask you this: is it really so inconceivalbe that >>there should be 20, or even 45 minutes worth of things to say about "The Last >>Time I Saw Richard"? >> >>Anyway, I hope I don't sound bitter or embattled or anything. I'm definitely >>not. Participating in the symposium was one of the most memorable and >>wonderful experiences of my life - meeting Joni was everything I imagined it >>would be and then some. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #316 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)