From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #314 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, November 4 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 314 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Thanks :) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Thanks :) [Jerry Notaro ] virus on the list [mags h ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] virus on the list [Michaelpaz@aol.com] Jonifest 2005 The Cruise ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Jonifest 2005 The Cruise [FMYFL@aol.com] Tragic- Just Tragic. VLJC [Monafitz@aol.com] my dissertation etc. [Shnootre@aol.com] Four More Years [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: Recent transfers offer (B&P/FTP) [Michael Paz ] Homophobia rears its ugly head [BRYAN8847@aol.com] i voted for bush ["dfrench" ] Re: ["Wallykai" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 06:47:14 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Thanks :) --- FredNow wrote: > :) > > [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type > application/octet-stream which had a name of > Joke.cpl] > I've received a few of these, a couple with Wally K's name and the other (supposedly) from Fred. I am so glad I have regularly updated antivirus software and that smoe removes attachments. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:30:52 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Thanks :) Just to clear things up, this is a new anti virus program and doesn't mean the list is infected or that a list member has sent a virus. It is a smart worm that reads your address book and sends it out as an alias. These messages means the anti virus program is working well. Jerry > --- FredNow wrote: >> :) >> >> [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type >> application/octet-stream which had a name of >> Joke.cpl] >> > > I've received a few of these, a couple with Wally K's > name and the other (supposedly) from Fred. I am so > glad I have regularly updated antivirus software and > that smoe removes attachments. > > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> - - > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:35:48 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: virus on the list as Wally said, it seems there is definitely a virus on the list. I keep getting mails with a smiley and that's all, no text, from people I know. And the subject is Re: Thanks. Barg, I'm sure it's harmless, and annoying. Mags..... npimh: All the news of home you read, just gives you the blues.....more about the war and the bloody changes. ... - ----- www.thelionandtherosegallery.com - ----- http://www.spiritscall.com/frames.html - ----- Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com/a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:43:54 EST From: Michaelpaz@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] virus on the list Wow I got several of these from Wally. I thought he had just gotten laid and was celebrating. In a message dated 11/3/2004 9:42:05 AM Central Standard Time, magsie_h@yahoo.com writes: > Subj: [NortheastJonifest] virus on the list > Date: 11/3/2004 9:42:05 AM Central Standard Time > From: magsie_h@yahoo.com > Reply-to: NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com > To: joni@smoe.org, northeastjonifest@yahoogroups.com > Sent from the Internet > > > > as Wally said, it seems there is definitely a virus on the list. I keep > getting mails with a smiley and that's all, no text, from people I know. And the > subject is Re: Thanks. > Barg, I'm sure it's harmless, and annoying. > > Mags..... > > npimh: All the news of home you read, just gives you the blues.....more > about the war and the bloody changes. ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:10:23 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Jonifest 2005 The Cruise Hi Everyone, Thanks so much to everyone who has responded so far about the possibility of a Jonifest 2005 Cruise. Many people have expressed that the cruise is too expensive or that they would just like to meet in New Orleans instead. Anyone who would be interested in choosing to come to New Orleans and not the cruise - or vice versa could absolutely do so. Here are a couple of alternative cruises that might be possible. They are shorter and therefore less expensive. Click on the link for details about the ship, the itinerary etc. SENSATION http://www.carnival.com/CMS/Ships/FunShips.aspx Departs Thursday, November 10, 2005 for four nights Category 4A - Inside Cabin on Riviera Deck with possible upgrade to higher deck $280 per person non-charity $300 pp ($20 goes to charity - Carnival will match $20) Category 6A - Oceanview on Riviera Deck with possible upgrade to higher deck $330 per person non-charity $350 pp ($20 goes to charity - Carnival will match $20) 4A cabin guarantee - 3rd/4th person is $100 pp cruise only 6A cabin guarantee - 3rd/4th person is $120 pp cruise only Suite guarantee - 1st/2nd person is $650 pp cruise only - 3rd/4th person is $120 pp Additionally, port charges, taxes and government fees will run $116.12 per person. Gratuities will run $10pp per day = $40 pp Optional insurance = $49 per adult/$29 per child under 16 SENSATION Departs Monday, November 14, 2005 for five nights Category 4A - Inside Cabin on Riviera Deck with possible upgrade to higher deck $250 per person non-charity $275 pp ($25 goes to charity - Carnival will match $25) Category 6A - Oceanview on Riviera Deck with possible upgrade to higher deck $300 per person non-charity $325 pp ($25 goes to charity - Carnival will match $25) 4A cabin guarantee - 3rd/4th person is $110 pp cruise only 6A cabin guarantee - 3rd/4th person is $130 pp cruise only Suite guarantee - 1st/2nd person is $730 pp cruise only - 3rd/4th person is $130 pp Additionally, port charges, taxes and government fees will run $145.08 per person. Gratuities will run $10pp per day = $50 pp Optional insurance = $59 per adult/$39 per child under 16 Please let us know what you think. Love Donna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:18:45 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Jonifest 2005 The Cruise Donna, I wish I would have read your post before I just sent my first one. This is a great idea. Although I like 7 day cruises, a shorter cruise would be a great way for people to experience their first cruise AND it's a lot cheaper. Thanks to you and Paz for investigating this alternative. Jimmy In a message dated 11/3/2004 12:05:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, djb@binkleybarfield.com writes: > Here are a couple of alternative cruises that might be possible. They > are shorter and therefore less expensive. Click on the link for details > about the ship, the itinerary etc. > > SENSATION http://www.carnival.com/CMS/Ships/FunShips.aspx > > Departs Thursday, November 10, 2005 for four nights ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 16:49:28 EST From: Monafitz@aol.com Subject: Tragic- Just Tragic. VLJC In a message dated 11/3/2004 3:52:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, claud9@comcast.net writes: I am just sooooo disappointed. So very disappointed.... Arrghhh ...unbelievable. Yes, unfortunately there are a lot of empty vessels in this country! Joni was correct, the faithful following of Bush clearly are not critical thinkers. I guess blind faith means that you don't critically think, just follow. i was speaking with someone early this morning who did in fact vote for mr. shrub and they told me they did it because they "trust" him. *gasp* i just dont see how. All those empty vessel surely have been bushwhacked as Molly Ivins would say. I hope those trusting people have no sons or daughters....watch out for that back door draft...you mark my words. The trillion dollar debt is frightening to me....but the body bags hurts me to the core. Mona A. Fitzgerald Windsor, CT USA monafitz@aol.com Return-Path: Received: from rly-xa01.mx.aol.com (rly-xa01.mail.aol.com [172.20.64.37]) by air-xa02.mail.aol.com (v103.7) with ESMTP id MAILINXA24-4c418944f4177; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:52:38 -0400 Received: from n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com (n9a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com [66.94.237.43]) by rly-xa01.mx.aol.com (v103.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXA16-4c418944f4177; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:52:04 -0500 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n9.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2004 20:48:25 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.28] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Nov 2004 20:48:25 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: claud9@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82704 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2004 20:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Nov 2004 20:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sccrmhc11.comcast.net) (204.127.202.55) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 20:48:23 -0000 Received: from [10.0.1.2] (pcp09312058pcs.towson01.md.comcast.net[68.33.2.196]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20041103194416011002v25he>; Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:44:16 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20041103165844.88045.qmail@web53710.mail.yahoo.com> X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 204.127.202.55 From: Claud9 X-Yahoo-Profile: vern9ine MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com; contact NortheastJonifest-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:44:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Tragic- Just Tragic. Reply-To: NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-AOL-IP: 66.94.237.43 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain I am just sooooo disappointed. So very disappointed.... Arrghhh ...unbelievable. Morality my ass..this is sickening Just had to share, claud on 11/3/04 11:58 AM, mags h at magsie_h@yahoo.com wrote: > my sympathies are with you, surrounding you . i congratulate you all who did > vote for Kerry as an attempt to effect change in your country...and now, you > must deal with this unbelievable reality. the only solution i can come up > with...move to canada. not making light whatsoever. and since you no doubt > cannot make this giant leap your reality, dont give up. never give up, keep > fighting the good fight and effecting change in your lives, your family, your > community. work within the confines of the regime and speak your truths. > every single voice matters. every one. > > i was speaking with someone early this morning who did in fact vote for mr. > shrub and they told me they did it because they "trust" him. *gasp* i just > dont see how. i am deeply saddened by gw's win, deeply saddened. > > with all the hope in my heart, i wish you well. > > be the change you want to see....Ghandi > > blessings of peace to you all....and may the great spirit help us through. > > Mags. > > > > > > > > having lived on the inside of a culture as foreign to me as ever one could be, > )and i spoke the same language, or not), as a canadian, a peace loving, gentle > canadian, i just cannot understand the decision of the many. > > Margaret Windecker wrote: >> >> Home, working and watching TV, >> >> the news comes on- bursting the last bubble of hope. >> >> Kerry will concede defeat at 1:00 est at Fanuel Hall in Boston. And we will >> still be ruled by a vapid- brainless-papa's boy. Not sad... no. TRAGIC >> >> And not just for us- For the world. We won't abide terrorists- no- but we >> will wage our own Holy War-Impose OUR cultural norms-give them "Freedom"... >> OUR culturally imposed freedom- At what cost to them? EVERYTHING. >> >> Bush sells himself on the basis of MORALITY- sick. >> >> My hopes were just so high. >> >> Ugh... >> >> Megs >> > > > ----- > www.thelionandtherosegallery.com > ----- > http://www.spiritscall.com/frames.html > ----- > > > Do you Yahoo!? > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > ps/S=1705016061:HM/EXP=1099587527/A=2372354/R=0/SIG=12id813k2/*https://www.orc > hardbank.com/hcs/hcsapplication?pf=PLApply&media=EMYHNL40F21004SS> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NortheastJonifest/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * NortheastJonifest-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:35:06 EST From: Shnootre@aol.com Subject: my dissertation etc. Hi again, Thanks everybody for your nice words of welcome. I actually did post on this list a few times way back when (maybe 3 years ago?). Lately it's a bit hard for me to keep up with it (or anything)! A couple of things: several of you have asked about my dissertation. I'm currently expanding it into a book, so I'm keeping it somewhat under wraps, however it is available through UMI. I believe you can order either a digitial or hard copy here: http://wwwlib.umi.com/dissertations. Answer the initial questions and then do an author's search w/ my last name (Sonenberg). You can preview 24 pages for free. Some of the dissertation is quite technical, but I spend a lot of time contextualizing my analysis, and I think there's a lot of stuff in there for non music theorists. The book version will be somewhat less academically oriented. A couple of questions people have asked...RE Turbulent Indigo being a waltz, I'm embarrassed to say that's one of the more recent Joni albums that I don't have. Yes, I know...I'm supposed to be a Joni scholar! But my work thus far has really centered on her early music, and I've been discovering her post 80s work a lot more recently. My diss covers Song to a Seagull through Court and Spark, and the book version will probably only go as far as Mingus. RE Modes. It's true that Joni uses modes in her writing, but I don't actually think this is necessarily a defining characteristic of her harmonic language. It is actually quite common to drift freely through several modes in a pop/rock song. For me, Joni's harmonic innovation has its roots in her guitar tunings, and all the suspended and quartal harmonies they engendered, along with really interesting counterpoint. I think she carried that soundworld over into her piano-based songs. You can read a very interesting article by Lloyd (Chip) Whitesell about Joni's harmonic practice. It appeared in the academic journal Popular Music I think in the summer of '03. (maybe it's in the JMDL archive?). I also talk about modes, but more particularly about the impact of Joni's tuning, in the 2nd chapter of the diss. Have to check out the Travelogue version of TLSISR. I've always found the comparsion betw. the Blue and Miles of Aisles versions particularly enlightening (in the latter one, I think Joni fully realizes the jazz potential of the tune, until the LA Express comes in and forces her into a more foursquare, pop-like interpretation). All for now... best, Dan Sonenberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 23:40:16 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Four More Years Hi folks, I'm sure now everyone understands Joni releasing TBOS. She also said in I believe the Gazzet that she despised the Bush Camp but that they would win.I'm sure the women is a gifted "Profit" sent for these troubled times. I can't believe we live in a country with such stupid and "Hateful Christians"! I thought I would share this letter I got this morning from my friend Nick in LA. I believe our only options are to take to the streets like in the 60's to make a change. I hope all of you and your families stay safe. Just remember," It all comes down to you "! Peace Mingus - ---------------------------------- Well, I said I was prepared for either outcome, but I guess I was lying to myself and to you. Depression, anger, sadness ... I'm grasping for words to sum it up. I really thought that America was tired of easy answers, sound bites, shallow media, cheap religion, idolatry, isolationism, anti-intellectualism, and maybe even war, among other things. But I was wrong. I've tried to cheer up by reminding myself that today I would still wake up in the most beautiful of states, which happens to be Bluebbut that makes it even worse, because we endangered Blue states have more to lose and farther to fall, given the irreparable (at least in my lifetime) damage that is surely to come. For a long time I have tried to tell people that Bush wants to make the entire country like Texasbhe said that in his first campaign. What he didn't tell you is that urban Texas, where its culture and political animus flourish, is a crassly commercial, polluted landscape. Expansion of civil liberties means passing a law that allows people to carry guns in church (and when your religion is so vindictive, I can see why). Individuality is prizedbas long as itbs in a) money or b) sports; otherwise you dare not be different. Freedom means a choice between the regular WalMart or the SuperWalMart. Blind and indifferent loyalty is more often important than the truth; gay people were waving American flags at last yearbs pride parade. Justice and due process are available to those with fat wallets and the right skin color (Texas executed a man on Election Day!). Religion/politics/economicsbtheybre all intertwined: Houston is a place that has started the Christmas holiday shopping season (read $$$$) with a Thanksgiving Day fireworks display centered in its Westside Galleria area, the Galleria being its altar to the God of capitalism. The list goes on. I've thought about all the hideous things this administration has done and the lies it has told, and I thought that this time, the rest of the country would wake up and say, bEnough is enough.b But I was wrong. For some time I have been saying we Blue states are too isolated because we donbt see up close that much of the rest of the country really is moving farther to the right, that much of the country doesnbt care about civil liberties, environmental protection, job security, social security, health care, education and world peacebat least in the way that we do. Oh, there are pockets of sanity everywhere, but those can easily be re-districted by Mr. DeLay and others like him. (The Democratic Party is finished as a national force, by the way, one of Mr. Rovebs primary goals.) As I watch this nation lurch to the right, whatbs troublesome is not that fewer and fewer people know the difference, but that they donbt want to. They simply donbt want to be bothered; after all, isnbt there another reality television show coming on soon? Arenbt we right anyway because God is on our side, carrying our weapons, and we can kick anybodybs ass, especially the French? In desperation I say to myself, bWell, if the Berlin Wall can fall... b bbut those people had an example of democracy to emulate. No, the Germany that forces its way into my mind now is that of the 1930s. Think Ibm going overboard? Ask yourself: What now, when there will be no one to account to? What now, with a bpopular mandateb? What now, with a compliant media that dutifully takes and passes on dictation from its pals in government? What now, now that fear works? I thought America might rise to the challenge and take the road less traveled. But I was wrong. Ibm glad I donbt have kids. And Ibm sad and absolutely frightened for those in my family and yours. God help us all. Nick P.S. If youbre inclined, check out Alan Jonesb sermon for Oct. 31 at Grace Cathedralbs web site. Hebs a brilliant Episcopal priest. He asked his parishioners on Sunday what kind of country they wanted for their kids. In hindsight, it helps a little to hear a voice calling for truth. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:03:50 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Recent transfers offer (B&P/FTP) Welcome Home! Paz > Hey everyone, ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:13:13 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Jonifest 2005 The Cruise I am getting cold feet about the whole concept at this point and it may because of everything else in my life right now, but I am thinking of getting with Donna and rethinking the timetable for this idea and waiting till 06 (which we already talked about as well as the shorter cruises, except for the fact that we both are into the long 7 day cruise combination Jonifest and chill vacation). IT'S NOT OVER YET THO!!! I am also hoping for other folk (LES!!!!!!) to come up with an alternative idea. I WILL be in Birmingham for the mini fest there! And I love the France idea but it is still to under developed (dates and details wise) for me to commit to at this point. Anyways I digress. My brother is quite ill in Detroit and I am may be descending on the city of my birth soon so all of you in the great state of Michigan beware! Love Paz NP-All kinds of shit in my heart and head and wishing I could be in L.A. This weekend if only to rip the halter top off that bitch Jimmy Stewart that he stole when he was in N.O. For Pazfest. Have fun you guys! > Donna, > I wish I would have read your post before I just sent my first one. > This is a great idea. Although I like 7 day cruises, a shorter cruise would > be a great way for people to experience their first cruise AND it's a lot > cheaper. > Thanks to you and Paz for investigating this alternative. > > Jimmy > > In a message dated 11/3/2004 12:05:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, > djb@binkleybarfield.com writes: > >> Here are a couple of alternative cruises that might be possible. They >> are shorter and therefore less expensive. Click on the link for details >> about the ship, the itinerary etc. >> >> SENSATION http://www.carnival.com/CMS/Ships/FunShips.aspx >> >> Departs Thursday, November 10, 2005 for four nights ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 23:23:29 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: my dissertation etc. Don Best of luck with it all. One thing I would share with you is that she is musically (in the classical sense) she is lacking. Her brilliance comes from inside thru the tunings and her lyric. She has a crazy ability to make trained musicians as well as guys like me who are musicians of the ear or of another sense that makes her so unique and brilliant in a way that is not described by words. Her sense of music is from her heart, head, and everything around her that sets the tone for all of us to ponder and appreciate so deeply. I recently worked on a tune my friends (Rachel and Vic) brought me that is so amazing. It is a waltz with a tango in the chorus. So unconventional but so brilliant and the lyric is so profound at the same time. I love it when composers come up with this stuff and Spend more time trying to get it down on tape and less time trying to explain it. Hope you have good luck in your dissertation. Best Paz > Hi again, > > Thanks everybody for your nice words of welcome. I actually did post on this > list a few times way back when (maybe 3 years ago?). Lately it's a bit hard > for me to keep up with it (or anything)! > > A couple of things: several of you have asked about my dissertation. I'm > currently expanding it into a book, so I'm keeping it somewhat under wraps, > however it is available through UMI. I believe you can order either a digitial > or > hard copy here: http://wwwlib.umi.com/dissertations. Answer the initial > questions and then do an author's search w/ my last name (Sonenberg). You can > preview 24 pages for free. Some of the dissertation is quite technical, but I > spend > a lot of time contextualizing my analysis, and I think there's a lot of stuff > in there for non music theorists. The book version will be somewhat less > academically oriented. > > A couple of questions people have asked...RE Turbulent Indigo being a waltz, > I'm embarrassed to say that's one of the more recent Joni albums that I don't > have. Yes, I know...I'm supposed to be a Joni scholar! But my work thus far > has really centered on her early music, and I've been discovering her post 80s > work a lot more recently. My diss covers Song to a Seagull through Court and > Spark, and the book version will probably only go as far as Mingus. > > RE Modes. It's true that Joni uses modes in her writing, but I don't actually > think this is necessarily a defining characteristic of her harmonic language. > It is actually quite common to drift freely through several modes in a > pop/rock song. For me, Joni's harmonic innovation has its roots in her guitar > tunings, and all the suspended and quartal harmonies they engendered, along > with > really interesting counterpoint. I think she carried that soundworld over into > her piano-based songs. You can read a very interesting article by Lloyd (Chip) > Whitesell about Joni's harmonic practice. It appeared in the academic journal > Popular Music I think in the summer of '03. (maybe it's in the JMDL > archive?). > I also talk about modes, but more particularly about the impact of Joni's > tuning, in the 2nd chapter of the diss. > > Have to check out the Travelogue version of TLSISR. I've always found the > comparsion betw. the Blue and Miles of Aisles versions particularly > enlightening > (in the latter one, I think Joni fully realizes the jazz potential of the > tune, until the LA Express comes in and forces her into a more foursquare, > pop-like interpretation). > > All for now... > > best, > > Dan Sonenberg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 01:05:02 EST From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Homophobia rears its ugly head Subject: Re: BUSH again - i blame the gays - NJC I didn't NJC because we should all be fucking thinking about this: Please don't "blame the gays," even jokingly. As usual, the problem is not homosexuals, it is homophobia (though of course the homosexuals are blamed). But even in some progressive circles now there is talk of "abandoning" gay rights in order to be more acceptable in the red states. We (the gays, that is) have just been used by Bush and Rove to get the son of a bitch reappointed. They don't care who they use and abuse as they grab more power (who's next?). The results - more power for them, more isolation for us and a more polarized, gay-hating public (hating us now from both sides, now). Deep shit. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 20:49:31 -1000 From: "dfrench" Subject: i voted for bush i kind of hesitated this post ......i see that most here are in a hateful state for bush .......as it was four years ago when it was gore/bush. i stopped my subscription then to the jmdl .....(.remember just when wally kais home went to shit it was the same ti`me and we all tried to send him money but couldnt ) .because of the bitterness and just came back a few months ago. and the same hate surfaced . i wish that there was a way to just show one truth (proven facts) and we make our decision on that.and exchange our ideas and thoughts .......... i must say that some of the posts ive seen in the last few weeks were so hateful that i wonder if some of us are so unkind and blind to others that what gets written in haste/hate may make the list uncomfortable for many(like me) ...,.i hope this makes sense ....if the democrats would have put up a better candidate i would go for that but kerry/heinz is too much of an asshole for president....sorry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:21:32 +0100 From: "Wallykai" Subject: Re: :)) [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Price.cpl] ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #314 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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