From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #313 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, November 3 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 313 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: [NortheastJonifest] Jonifest 2005 "The Cruise" ["Martin Giles" ] Re: Joni and music theory [Em ] virus on the list???? ["Wally Kairuz" ] A Nyro and Joni Discussion in Toronto... [JSerkes@aol.com] RE: [NortheastJonifest] Jonifest 2005 "The Cruise" ["Maggie McNally" ] LTISR at the Joni Symposium ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: Recent transfers offer (B&P/FTP) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Thanks :) ["Wallykai" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:40:37 -0000 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Jonifest 2005 "The Cruise" Hi Paz Your cruise idea sounds great fun, but it looks like I'm going to have to pass on it. :( It's really down to cost. It looks like it will be considerably more expensive than the Full Moon, and is much further away from the UK of course. When you take in to account the travelling costs, even the Full Moon works out pretty steep from the UK. For me, it's just a bit too much, and a bit too far away to be able to justify to myself, and my bank manager. I'll be miserable at not being there, but hey .. .. on the other hand, Laurant has come up with the French alternative, which is nearly on my doorstep, relatively. I could drive there in a day or two! Like the Full Moon, it looks like the venue is set in fabulous countryside. I could afford to combine the trip into a longer holiday in the region. I don't think it's a bad idea to have both next year though. Those who can afford both can go to both. Those who can't, can go to the one of their choice. They will be very different experiences, so there'll be plenty to talk about on the list. There doesn't have to be one big festival per year for everyone IMO. Martin. > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:57:38 EST > From: Michaelpaz@aol.com > Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Jonifest 2005 "The Cruise" > > Lieve > Thanks once again for your comments on the Cruise. I am now up to 20 people > who are interested in this idea. What worries me is the ones I am NOT hearing > from at all. Anyone who has participated in other gatherings I would appreciate > your thoughts and comments on this idea/plan so that we can gauge interest as > well as disinterest. If you would not consider this at all we want to hear > from you too. There were many other ideas floating around and those could be > developed in lieu of a cruise. > Lieve this ship is so big I am sure that you will not feel big movement at > all. They have stabilizers on the boat as well which makes cruising (by queasy > folk) much more enjoyable. Also Hurricanes are done by that time of year. LOL! > So belly up to the discussion. I am looking to hear from lots more folks > like: my bitch Giselle and her bitch Cindy, Muller, Lama, Victor, Les I, all the > Brits (hey here's your chance to come and record in New Orleans), all west > coasters, Suze, Catherine, Dan, Rachel, New Yorkers including the Honduran > Fertility Goddess, Jenny, Claudia, Uncle John, Mary, Guzzi, Laura Stanley, et. al. > Come folks yak it up. Tell us yer thoughts. > > Best > > Paz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 06:52:12 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Recent transfers offer (B&P/FTP) Hey everyone, After taking a few years off from the list I'm back to make an offer for 2 shows I recently converted from my DATs. The NOJ&HF show is fairly common but I know the CD-R copy I received long ago had at least 1 cassette generation - this is from a straight up DAT clone. The Minneapolis show I'm not sure about, it was new to me and I know a certain someone on here didn't know about it before I mentioned it. ;) So, my offer is for either flac or CD audio, you may download the flacs from me via FTP, or you can receive either or both of the shows in CD audio or flac via B&P. Please, do not torrent either of these shows on easytree.org or sharingthegroove.org (if it ever comes back), if you want to host them on the DC server, go ahead. I say this because there's been a recent rash of shows being offered on easytree that have subsequently been put on ebay. I will be looking on both sites regularly to make sure they don't show up on there. Below are the text files for both shows. Please email me privately if you are interested. Mark __________________________________________________________________ Joni Mitchell 5/6/1995 New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival, New Orleans, LA Source: unknown AUD > DAT @ 48kHz Conversion: DA-20 MK II > S/PDIF > Audiophile 2496 > WaveLab > Sound Forge > CD Wave > flac16 DAT provided by: Enrico Perissinotto Converted by: Mark Domyancich (mark.domyancich@gmail.com) ***DO NOT CONVERT TO MP3 OR ANY OTHER LOSSY FORMAT!*** CD 1: [78:43.00] 1. Introduction [01:36.70] 2. Sex Kills* [05:09.03] 3. Moon At The Window [05:21.08] 4. The Magdalene Laundries [06:02.07] 5. Refuge Of The Roads [07:11.30] 6. Night Ride Home@ [04:07.19] 7. Love's Cries [04:17.63] 8. Yvette In English [05:37.21] 9. Just Like This Train [06:58.24] 10. The Three Great Stimulants [05:57.24] 11. Amelia [05:54.12] 12. Hejira [07:11.62] 13. Happiness Is The Best Face Lift [05:07.04] Encore: 14. Song For Sharon [08:11.28] *dropout at 01:40.60 *minor diginoise at 02:51.09 Notes: - -Joni's first live performance with the Roland VG-8. - -There is some slight distortion in the left channel in some parts - this is most likely due to no bass roll-off used. - -WaveLab was used for resampling; Sound Forge was used for fades and normalization. __________________________________________________________________ Joni Mitchell 10/23/1998 Target Center, Minneapolis, MN Source: SBD > DAT @ 48kHz Conversion: DA-20 MK II > S/PDIF > Audiophile 2496 > WaveLab > Sound Forge > CD Wave > flac16 DAT provided by: Mario Caprilli Converted by: Mark Domyancich (mark.domyancich@gmail.com) ***DO NOT CONVERT TO MP3 OR ANY OTHER LOSSY FORMAT*** CD 1: [78:46.18] 1. //Big Yellow Taxi* [02:47.50] 2. Just Like This Train [05:45.29] 3. Night Ride Home [03:41.61] 4. The Crazy Cries Of Love [04:05.31] 5. Free Man In Paris [03:05.57] 6. Harry's House [04:21.69] 7. Black Crow [03:38.66] 8. Amelia [07:06.03] 9. Hejira [06:38.41] 10. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter [07:23.54] 11. Face Lift [05:04.48] 12. Sex Kills [04:50.59] 13. The Magdalene Laundries [06:06.56] 14. Moon At The Window [04:28.41] 15. Trouble Man [03:53.63] 16. Comes Love [05:46.40] *cut from 00:11.03-00:11.28 Notes: - -Waves L3 UltraMaximizer's "Hi-Res CD Master" setting was used for normalization. - -Resampled in Sound Forge to 44.1kHz, level 4 of 4 interpolation accuracy, anti-alias filter on. - -Fades were added at the beginning and end of the show. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:09:53 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: Joni and music theory Hi Dan. A BIG welcome to de-lurkdom! I don't understand why anyone would make fun of you for being able to explain the melodic intricacies of Joni's work. When i read about the symposium, I wished I could have heard your talk. (Although much of it might have been over my head - I only took three years of theory in a special program for selected high school students at Berklee College of Music.) Please, feel free to share anything here. I've found that anlayzing Joni's music is difficult at best. I'm especially curious about her use of modes. Congratulations on being part of this exciting event. Now, I hope Joni's music will get the scholarly recognition that Lennon/McCartney have. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 05:49:47 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni and music theory Hi Dan maybe this is more a "rhythm" question than a melody question, but can I correctly refer to Turbulent Indigo (the song) as a waltz? yes, no, maybe? :) thx! Em - --- Anne Sandstrom wrote: > Hi Dan. > > A BIG welcome to de-lurkdom! I don't understand why anyone would make > fun of you for being able to explain the melodic intricacies of > Joni's work. When i read about the symposium, I wished I could have > heard your talk. (Although much of it might have been over my head - > I only took three years of theory in a special program for selected > high school students at Berklee College of Music.) > > Please, feel free to share anything here. I've found that anlayzing > Joni's music is difficult at best. I'm especially curious about her > use of modes. > > Congratulations on being part of this exciting event. Now, I hope > Joni's music will get the scholarly recognition that Lennon/McCartney > have. > > lots of love > Anne > ===== - ------------- Started out this morning feeling so polite I always thought a fish could not be caught who wouldn't bite But you've got some bait a waitin' and I think I might try nibbling A little afternoon delight SVB, summer '76 - ---------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:33:53 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: virus on the list???? pardon the njc but i think the list has been infected. i got several messages from list members (or from their addresses) including one from myself (!) containing virus warnings. maggie just got one from me and i two from les I a minute ago. i thought i should let everyone know thus the lack of appropriate labeling. wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:03:23 EST From: JSerkes@aol.com Subject: A Nyro and Joni Discussion in Toronto... One of the founding members of our group on Laura Nyro, at www.utne.com/cafe is a toronto lady. She had this to say upon meeting Joni. Not only did she meet her, but also was seen on Canadian Television as Joni was being interviewed. I always loved the correation between Joni and Laura. They were the east/west connective tissue. I adore Joni for all the reasons I adore Laura. Two of the most amazing singer songwriters of our time. Laura was the flower, and joni is the sage. Here is Susan (Tenda) as we call her, report about her Joni Encounter..... I got to Redpath Hall five minutes before the end of the afternoon panel at 3:30 - I'd have to wait until 4pm before the last part the Roundtable...everyone got up to go out side for a break...and in comes Joni Mitchell from a side door followed by a stream of cameras and reporters and journalists...boom mikes. She looked stunning - red blouse and sleevless top red and grays and blacks...a very fashion statement skirt and red shoes ...kinda like Dorothy from the Wizard... She was immediately surrounded by the media ..at this point people came back into the room hearing that she had showed up ... I think due to my grief...I wasn't quite in a normal state of mind... I walked slowly over toward herandgot myself positioned right behind her and a little to the left...she couldn't see me...I was the only non-media person in the group...every one had a mike or a camera and asked her questions...the usual stuff...finally the dean who was with her said , "Okay that's the last question, we need to start the round table now"...and at that moment I stepped forward and touched her arm (her blouse was like a very soft red crinkly crape paper that you would find at a kids party table) in fact I didn't just touch her arm I kinda gently rubbed it with my index finger...and at the same time I said her name..."Joni" and she turned around and looked right at me with a very open and receptive look.... So here's what I said, "Joni...did you ever get to spend any time with Laura Nyro" and Joni said looking into my eyes..."Yes I did - I spent some times (and she specified it as plural) with Laura and she smiled. Then I asked her, "Did you like her?" And Joni replied, " Yes I liked Laura...and we had times together...but the way Laura was you know...and I nodded ...she was a strange girl...it wasn't easy to get to know her...she didn't let you in too easily...and the time I spent with her ...it was strange...but certainly NOT alienating...and she smiled and really looked into me...you know...and I nodded yes ...I knew...then I sort of went brain blank and was just smiling at Joni...and then they took her away... but it was a beautiful moment...truely... I canceled my last class tonight ...so I could go to the convacation...how lovely it was ...Joni giggled alot ...she had to sit beside the chancellor...and she kept bursting into little teenage giggles...from time to time...I don't blame her -you should have seen the hat she had to wear...those graduation clothes are a hoot....but her little red shoes were ever so cute...she was called down to the platform in a procession with all the other graduates ...led by a scottish bagpipe in full regalia- Mr McGill being a Scott- anyway when Joni had to get up and say something after receiving an honorarydoctrate...she looked stunned that she had to speak...she walked over to the mike and said - you know its very rare that I feel speechless...then she paused ...and said, Well I guess from now on they'll have to say... "Uh What's Up Doc" (in her finest imitaion of bugs bunny)... so that's the news tribe... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:39:59 -0500 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Jonifest 2005 "The Cruise" Dear Paz, Donna and JMDL friends, Time, the enemy lately, has kept me from paying lots of attention to this list or to give careful thought to the two significant 'fest ideas that are have been flown up the flagpole - i.e., the cruise concept and France. As someone who was not able to participate in Pazfest #1 (was going to, but had to decide between that or actually seeing Joni in concert in Boston, so we chose the latter), I am very interested in traveling to N.O. for that part of a Jonifest. But I have never found the idea of a cruise appealing, so I doubt that I would plan to participate in that part of it. It's not so much a France vs. cruise notion for me, as I am not packing my bags for France either (would love to, but not in 2005 - sigh). It's the two-parter of A. expense/finances and, B. cruise. BUT, if I was ever going to try one out - because how can you say you don't like something unless you have given it a try? - it would be for a Jonifest cruise. There isn't another group of people I'd rather hang with than the complex, interesting, huggable people who make up this list and whom I have had the privilege of getting to know through seven NE Jonifests and countless other, smaller reunions. Best, Maggie - -----Original Message----- From: Michaelpaz@aol.com [mailto:Michaelpaz@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 4:58 PM To: ReckersL@ebrd.com; michael@pyramidaudio.net; djb@binkleybarfield.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Jonifest 2005 "The Cruise" Lieve Thanks once again for your comments on the Cruise. I am now up to 20 people who are interested in this idea. What worries me is the ones I am NOT hearing from at all. Anyone who has participated in other gatherings I would appreciate your thoughts and comments on this idea/plan so that we can gauge interest as well as disinterest. If you would not consider this at all we want to hear from you too. There were many other ideas floating around and those could be developed in lieu of a cruise. Lieve this ship is so big I am sure that you will not feel big movement at all. They have stabilizers on the boat as well which makes cruising (by queasy folk) much more enjoyable. Also Hurricanes are done by that time of year. LOL! So belly up to the discussion. I am looking to hear from lots more folks like: my bitch Giselle and her bitch Cindy, Muller, Lama, Victor, Les I, all the Brits (hey here's your chance to come and record in New Orleans), all west coasters, Suze, Catherine, Dan, Rachel, New Yorkers including the Honduran Fertility Goddess, Jenny, Claudia, Uncle John, Mary, Guzzi, Laura Stanley, et. al. Come folks yak it up. Tell us yer thoughts. Best Paz NP-Hand Song-Nicklecreek In a message dated 11/1/2004 10:24:23 AM Central Standard Time, ReckersL@ebrd.com writes: > Subj: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Jonifest 2005 "The Cruise" > Date: 11/1/2004 10:24:23 AM Central Standard Time > From: ReckersL@ebrd.com > To: Michaelpaz@aol.com, michael@pyramidaudio.net, djb@binkleybarfield.com > Sent from the Internet > > > > Hi again, Paz and Donna! > > You've probably also just seen Laurent's details. It looks like quite a > few people are interested, so if it's followed up properly, it could turn out > to be great. I hope you'll both be there! > > I still think that 2 fests in a year is just too much for most people, both > in terms of time and of money (and maybe also motivation!). And I think > that lots of the people interested in Laurent's fest, would also in theory be > interested in your cruise fest, so I really think we've got a problem here! > (In other words I think you will lose people who are already committed to go to > France, more than you will gain people who can't or won't go to France > anyway. All i.m.h.o., of course! And remember, I'm not preaching for my own > cause, because I might just be able to make it for both in 2005.) > > > > So I still think that, if Laurent'd fest really takes off, you would be > better to postpone the cruise till 2006, and give us all plenty of notice in > advance so that it can be adopted as the "official" Jonifest of that year - I > think that is what you need to get people moving! > > > > I also really feel, like you, that more discussion is needed. It's a pity > that this was not done when we discussed the future of Jonifests last year at > the Full Moon, i.e. we did not get further than agreeing that 2004 would be > again at the FM, and then "we would see". But that is the most difficult, now > we have to coordinate people who are all spread out on e-mail, with > different initiatives popping up at the same time. As I said, I believe we need to > agree on 1 fest a year that gets the "official blessing" as Jonifest of that > year. Of course other people can still organise other local minifests as much > as they like, but I just don't think they'll ever get the real attendance > from people who don't live in that locality. > > > > Quickly some more feedback: personally, I am not that keen on cruises > (danger of sea sickness which I get really fast!) unless it's really taking me to > an interesting place - which is why this plan did appeal, with Jamaica, Mexico > etc on offer. But otherwise, I'd much rather have firm land under my feet! > (So if that alternative of a 4 or 5 day cruise is just staying on the sea, > then rather not, thank you!) The time of the year you proposed is absolutely > fine - I assume this would be after the real hurricane season is finished, > right? > > > > OK, that's all from me now. I think we should get a discussion on the big > list started, don't you? > Lots of love and support, > > Lieve. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 14:35:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Dave Van Ronk I am reading the excellent Stonewall by David Carter. It occurred to me that Joni was right in the midst of all this hub bub and maybe should someday be interviewed from a queer history perspective. Now I am at the part that describes Dave Van Ronk's arrest at the Stonewall Inn during the riots. I find this intriguing, both because he and Joni were very close during the sixties Greenwich Village era, and the fact has never been mentioned in any bio of his I have ever read. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 19:36:38 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: LTISR at the Joni Symposium Dan, Congratulations on meeting Joni and having a Joni moment with her at the symposium! Well-deserved I'm sure, especially for a person like yourself, who has spent a lot of energy devoted to the study of her work. Now if only we all had your musical knowledge to be able to appreciate fully what's going on technicaly in the work - that would be something. Consider sharing some of your insights with this group. As you know, there are many musicians here! Bye the way, I absolutely love the Travelogue version of LTISR. Michael in Quebec - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't just Search. Find! The new MSN Search: Fast. Clear. Easy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 13:59:04 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Trick or Treat with Joni Did anyone mention: The ghostly garden grows LauraNP: James Taylor - River (still playing....now THAT's scary!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 14:17:34 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Dr. Larry Klein :) Nuriel Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com/a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 17:41:53 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Recent transfers offer (B&P/FTP) --- Mark Domyancich wrote: > Hey everyone, > > After taking a few years off from the list I'm back > to make an offer > for 2 shows I recently converted from my DATs. The > NOJ&HF show is > fairly common but I know the CD-R copy I received > long ago had at > least 1 cassette generation - this is from a > straight up DAT clone. Argh. What is NOJ&FH? I don't know what DAT is either, but dat don't matter. Why don't you join Les' file-sharing thingy and then you can put them up as flacs and then some of us can download them and/or offer to others that don't have them. By the way - nice to see your name back here again. Long time, no see (in a manner of speaking.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 20:57:17 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Recent transfers offer (B&P/FTP) **Argh. What is NOJ&FH? I don't know what DAT is either Hey I admit it had me stumped as well, Catherine (I did know that DAT was Digital Audio Tape) - then I saw the rest of Mark's message and figgered out that it was: New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival. (1995) It's a cool little gig, Joni cranks up her VG8 & Parker Fly guitar for the first time to see if it's going to work for her. Pretty historic, actually, because according to her she was ready to toss it in at that point but thanks to this combination of gizmos she got about a 10-year career extension. I like the version of Sex Kills in this show, she uses the same VG8 setting that she uses for "Lead Balloon" and gets a angrier, more metallic feel to it musically. Even given that, I still haven't heard this song performed with the musical and vocal intensity that it deserves. Welcome back, Mark - good to see your name in the fray once more. Bob NP: David Lahm, "Solid Love" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:07:22 +0100 From: "FredNow" Subject: Re: Thanks :) :) [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Joke.cpl] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:07:20 +0100 From: "Wallykai" Subject: Re: Thanks :) :) [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Joke.cpl] ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #313 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)