From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #304 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, October 25 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 304 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: icarus ascending ... some joni within the wailin' jennys ten mile stilts [SCJoniGuy@] travelogue? ["mackoliver" ] Re: travelogue? ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: icarus ascending ... some joni within the wailin' jennys ten mile stilts [Nuriel Tobias ] bonne fete a Mags [mags h ] Today's Library Links: October 25 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:20:29 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: icarus ascending ... some joni within the wailin' jennys ten mile stilts **Hi Mags, I guess she used it because Icarus was another Amelia. Or, Amelia was another Icarus. Both flew too close to the sun, both wiped out and were unable to continue the dream.** That's pretty much my take on it as well...like Joni says, both had dreams to fly and to do things that they were told they couldn't/shouldn't do. And of course Joni herself completes the triad. As for Icarus, he also is the subject of a great rocker by Kansas, "Icarus-Borne On Wings Of Steel" and another of my faves, Ms. Ani Difranco, almosts lifts Joni's line entirely in her song "Icarus": "it's just like Icarus ascending never intending to look back nature's law and your tragic flaw I find descending flying into the arms of a Venus flytrap" Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:59:30 -0500 From: "mackoliver" Subject: travelogue? I didn't buy this album when it came out. Why? I have never been fond of remakes of tunes already out and the negative reviews that I read about it. Now, after downloading hundreds of songs from MusicNow and hearing them randomly I am getting to sample the tunes on Travelogue. I know there has been writings comparing the different voices of Joni over the years. Yes, her voice was magnificient when young but for me I much prefer the older, wiser, gravelly version. And who was it that inferred this woman could not sing anymore? Now, to me, instead of just putting forth the words she puts so much feeling into each word. So much wiser now and the thoughts she portrays through her tunes are truly exquisite. My love affair with her continues and the love grows stronger every day. Now, must travel back and get the entire album. A day I will make of it. Yum. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:37:16 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: travelogue? mackoliver wrote: > I didn't buy this album when it came out. Why? I have never been > fond of remakes of tunes already out and the negative reviews that I > read about it. Now, after downloading hundreds of songs from MusicNow > and hearing them randomly I am getting to sample the tunes on > Travelogue. I know there has been writings comparing the different > voices of Joni over the years. Yes, her voice was magnificient when > young but for me I much prefer the older, wiser, gravelly version. > And who was it that inferred this woman could not sing anymore? Now, > to me, instead of just putting forth the words she puts so much > feeling into each word. So much wiser now and the thoughts she > portrays through her tunes are truly exquisite. My love affair with > her continues and the love grows stronger every day. Now, must > travel back and get the entire album. A day I will make of it. Yum. Good for you, Mack! I've said all along that Travelogue is a rethinking, not a rehash. Her voice and maturity really bring added depth to the songs. It's a worthy effort that does not deserve being trashed and dismissed. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:36:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: icarus ascending ... some joni within the wailin' jennys ten mile stilts I think it's worth taking notice to the use of the word "arms" in the song. While the reason for Icarus falling from the sky and crashing into the sea was his "beautiful foolish arms" - Joni's refuge from the skies ("looking down on everything") was to "Crash into his arms". Nuriel mags h wrote: Listening to the Wailin' Jennys song Ten Mile Stilts , on their 40 Days CD; there's a reference to Icarus which transports me of Joni's reference to Icarus ascending which leads me to wondering why Joni uses this image, powerful one at that...thoughts? Yes, no doubt it's in the jmdl library, however, I'm trying to stoke the fires a little here on this chilly day in Winterpeg ;-) as for the Icarus reference in Ten Mile Stilts lyrics please see: http://www.thewailinjennys.com/music.aspx#ten written and sung by Nicky Mehta....her guitar playing style and voice reminds me so much of our Claudia...amazing. Heartwarming. for those of you who were at Fest this year in the Catskills, this is the same album that holds the song Arlington, which Claudia sang for Mary Grace . Another gorgeous one. love, Mags np: Beautiful Dawn , from the Wailin' Jennys 40 Days (thanks to Claudia ;-))) Imagne you're a girl on ten mile stilts You trave Imagne you're a girl on ten mile stilts You travel round the world, taking it all in You'll never touch the ground Is it a blessing or a curse And if you're too high to be found Are you lost or just rehearsed Got a heart that opens clear in this cool September dark It rests on treetop leaves And bursts its little sparks And sometimes it sings its songs And it lets its secrets out Except for one that sears inside That it cannot live without But if I tell you wil you take it Will you shine it up to me Can you be strong to let me go on And set this freedom free The stars are out tonight Up here they're ripe to hold But I have learned what comes to those who get too close I'm no Icarus in flight And I'm old enough to know That love is patient, but still unyielding If you leave it long enough it lets you go But if I tell you wil you take it Will you shine it up to me Can you be strong to let me go on And set this freedom free top of page l round the world, taking it all in You'll never touch the ground Is it a blessing or a curse And if you're too high to be found Are you lost or just rehearsed Got a heart that opens clear in this cool September dark It rests on treetop leaves And bursts its little sparks And sometimes it sings its songs And it lets its secrets out Except for one that sears inside That it cannot live without But if I tell you wil you take it Will you shine it up to me Can you be strong to let me go on And set this freedom free The stars are out tonight Up here they're ripe to hold But I have learned what comes to those who get too close I'm no Icarus in flight And I'm old enough to know That love is patient, but still unyielding If you leave it long enough it lets you go But if I tell you wil you take it Will you shine it up to me Can you be strong to let me go on And set this freedom free if you've had a kindness shown, pass it on. Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:18:19 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: travelogue? I really enjoyed Joni's discussion of both of these issues on the Fresh Air interview. She sort of poo-poohed her own high soprano of the long ago past. Personally, I'm a big fan of later voices rather than earlier ones. Sarah Vaughan was one who's voice only got richer and more glorious as the years went on. My big problem with Travelogue is that some of the arrangements are a bit overdone, but Joni's voice sounds great, if rough sometimes. On Oct 24, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Mark or Travis wrote: > mackoliver wrote: >> I didn't buy this album when it came out. Why? I have never been >> fond of remakes of tunes already out and the negative reviews that I >> read about it. Now, after downloading hundreds of songs from MusicNow >> and hearing them randomly I am getting to sample the tunes on >> Travelogue. I know there has been writings comparing the different >> voices of Joni over the years. Yes, her voice was magnificient when >> young but for me I much prefer the older, wiser, gravelly version. >> And who was it that inferred this woman could not sing anymore? Now, >> to me, instead of just putting forth the words she puts so much >> feeling into each word. So much wiser now and the thoughts she >> portrays through her tunes are truly exquisite. My love affair with >> her continues and the love grows stronger every day. Now, must >> travel back and get the entire album. A day I will make of it. Yum. > > Good for you, Mack! I've said all along that Travelogue is a > rethinking, not a rehash. Her voice and maturity really bring added > depth to the songs. It's a worthy effort that does not deserve being > trashed and dismissed. > > Mark E. in Seattle > ========================================= "No matter how cynical you get, it's impossible to keep up." - -- Lily Tomlin from "The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe" Mike Friedman San Francisco, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:40:40 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: bonne fete a Mags stomp stomp pout pout okay fine WahWah Wallistah bro....you've fallen into a deep sleep and just havent noticed..... today is the day.... alas and alack...then I will help you out...... oh nevermind...Ive heard that birthday queens can do as they darn well please, so it pleases me to chime in and tell you all it's my birthday today...I love my birthday...it's so fine to celebrate another year of this wonderful life! I've had the most amazing day ...celebrations all round....and so in the tradition of the aforementioned birthday queen herself, I wanted to send you a poem to honour this day, and the friendships Ive made in this wonderful Joni land.... ***** A supreme love, a motive that gives a sublime rhythm to a woman's life, and exalts habit into partnership with the soul's highest needs is not to be had where and how she wills; to know that high initiation, she must often tread where it is hard to tread, and feel the chill air, and watch through darkness. It is not true that love makes all things easy; it makes us choose what is difficult. George Eliot ***** love, Mags np: Sweetest Thing, U2 if you've had a kindness shown, pass it on. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 02:18:52 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 25 On October 25 the following articles were published: 1994: "Joni Mitchell Interview" - KCSA-FM (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=883 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - New Jersey Star-Ledger (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=207 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #304 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)