From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #293 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, October 14 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 293 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's songwriting - American or Universal? [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni (?) and Judy on Dolly's upcoming CD [Jerry Notaro ] Joni University positions ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: my jonipages - help? ["Moni Kellermann" ] I love Shadows and Light!!!! ["Sherelle Smith" ] The tale of two worlds VLJC [BRIANASYMES@aol.com] Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! [mags h ] Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! ["Ron" ] Re: (no subject) JMDL Cabinet [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] New Joni Disc from our buddy Henning! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Happy birthday, Roberto! [Michael Paz ] Joni in Politics (amusing tiny amount of JC) [Mike Friedman Subject: Re: Joni's songwriting - American or Universal? I've read each and every reply to my question "Joni's songwriting - American or Universal?", and once again been reminded of how much i love you all. What a "Lucky Girl" i am to have you as my friends. All posts regarding this issue were very interesting and creative, to say the least. Mags idea was that "maybe" would be the right answer. (btw, i included Canada when speaking of what i refered to as 'American' - only because it made my question easier for me to express). I've also found your replys regarding my "English as a universal lunguage" to be good ones (though i know for sure that this ain't the case in China, most of Africa and the far east Asia, and being a regular turist in Italy and France - i know that most common citizens there hardly undrestand a word in English, or simply "refuse" to undrestand it, so that makes English=Universal wrong, if only for the China thing) Combining both answers now - and still using the "Universal" term - Well maybe (as dear mags wrote) - maybe if all songs in the world were translated to English, then all songs wouldv'e instantly become Universal. I'd even go further and say - all songs are Universal, no matter what language they're written/sung in - (and i'm leaving out the music issue out of this - music IS a Universal thing - i'm reffering to lyrics only) - becuase it's humans who write them (i never heard a lyric by an alien), and i for one, think that for that reason alone every lyric in the world is Universal. It's only when you put a lyric under glass and try to specify it, that you may find it being more of an "Spanish" lyric, "Belgium" lyric, "Cambodian" lyric, etc' - and in Joni's case - an "American" lyric. Let's pretend that Joni was to write lyrics that had nothing to do with anything American-wise. Love songs are always the easiest way to make a lyric seem "Unviersal". That would easily turn her to be a "pop" star. But that ain't the case with Joni. It's hard to find a Joni lyric that doesn't contain at least one "American" reference, name, place, date, quote, symbol, etc'. Most Joni's lyrics are well known for their "lots of details" way of writing. And those details are very often related to "American-wise" stuff. I think that this may just be one of the reasons for Joni's becoming less and less popular (world-wise) as time went by. Dare i say, but i even think that this is one of the main reasons that BSN (the album) was made. Pardon my patronizing, but i do honetly belive that Joni's will, at that time, was to record a Totally Universal album. I'm totally contradicting myself now (because i've said before that any lyric in the world is universal) - but unlike most of you, i think that Joni is one of the best examples for an American songwriter. Even when she's criticizing (nearly up to "hating") the "American way" (she speaks a lot about that in her last Vnity Fair interiview) - it's America that she's talking about. And in no way am i finding this to be a fault. Not at all. As i see it, and that's just an opinion, it was Joni's choice to focus on America. Myabe becuase that was one of the things that interested her the most, or one of the things that "helped" her devotion to writing the truth to spring out, or maybe becuase she used "America" as a microcosmoc. Either way, (coming from moi, a non-American man, but not too dumb when it comes to lyrics), Joni's amazing way of using a "Double-sense", a "Double-meaning" for nearly every word she wrote - makes even the "most American-wise" lyrics to have "Another" meaning - which in the end makes her lyrics Universal, even cosmic. Regarding what i said about Joni's focusing on America - i think there's a secret behind that choice, and myabe that's why so many folks out there still consider her an American country singer, maybe they're proud about Joni being "American", and unlike most of us would find the "Universal Joni" term to be insulting, know what i mean? but i'm afriad that only Joni knows the right answer to that. Thanks for letting me share my wiseguy'sness with you, Nuriel mags h wrote: Gee I never thought of Canada as Turbulent Indigo , but hey why not! Mags, another turbulent indigOdian LOL (silli mood today) if you've had a kindness shown, pass it on. Yahoo! Mail  CNET Editors' Choice 2004. Tell them what you think. a Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:17:52 -0500 From: "P. Henry Boland" Subject: Re: my jonipages - help? (slouching out of lurkland...) hi gang, I've been trying to put up some of my Joni pix on a webpage or two so I could link them here and all seemed to be going well as long as I was on my mac... (I'm not too tricky with html) the problem is when I tried to access them from a pc... the pix don't show up! I was hoping I might find a webhead lurking about who could tell me how to fix it and, knowing the generous nature of the Jonigang, well... here I am. anyway, here they are: http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/manyfaces.html http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/manyfaces2.html tanx, pat - -- "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ - -- - -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:52:21 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni (?) and Judy on Dolly's upcoming CD I've always been a huge Dolly fan, and even went to Dollywood a few years back. That may shock some of you knowing that Manhattan is my favorite island. But the entertainment at Dollywood was first class, not at all cheesy. Dolly is no stranger to musical adventures, recently having a huge club hit with her recording of Peace Train, and a recent very successful Stairway to Heaven with a huge gospel choir. She is a shining example of defying Joni's over-generalizations about how the public, the media, and the record business treat older women. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:40:40 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: [none] Dear Mags H wrote: I have gained an education of the Joni kind, and continue to do so... hey why not a degree at the university of Joni ;-) - ------- Yes, yes, YES!!!! I like this University! How do I apply to the Ph.D. program? I nominate SCJoniGuy as President. Ashara as Director of Student Activities and Programs. Catherine as Vice President for Academic Affairs. (I am always amazed at all her knowledge.) Dr. Laura as Director of Health Services. Emiliano as Head of the Philosphy Department. Debra Shea vs. Kakki as Head of Political Science. We'll have a run-off. Kate Bennett as Head of Music. No, maybe Paz.....or.....wow, this is a really hard one! Lori Fye as Head of Communication Sciences. No, maybe Les Irvin. Yes, Les. Lori can be Director of Athletics (didn't you run in a marathon?). Susan Guzzi as Director of Residential Life and Lez Cottages Vince as University Chaplain. And you know there may be more! Can you think of other positions to be filled? Oh, of course! Wally K as Head of Psychiatry! And of course Jerry as Director of Library Services. And who is the best cook, sitting on her groceries, for Director of Food Services? Smurfy love, what would you like to do? Can I be the Head of Modern and Classical Languages, please? Love and peace and silliness, Patti P.S. DAMNED YANKEES! _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:45:20 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Joni University positions I knew there were more! How could I forget Queen Lulu for Homecoming Queen! And Hell, for Director of International Affairs? And how about Maggie McNally for that Director of Food Services position? ;) _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:55:34 +0200 (MEST) From: "Moni Kellermann" Subject: Re: my jonipages - help? > about who could tell me how to fix it The path to the images is wrong. Replace the all the links that go like with BTW, are you sure that you are not violating any copyrights by publishing other photographer's work? moni (photographer and html geek) - -- GMX ProMail mit bestem Virenschutz http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail +++ Empfehlung der Redaktion +++ Internet Professionell 10/04 +++ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:16:53 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: I love Shadows and Light!!!! Okay, for the umpteenth time, I have to say again that this CD is my "most favorite" Joni CD. I am listening to it this morning at work (It's a slow day) and falling in love with it all over again! The guitarist that I have with me now is a very quiet person who is learning the musical ropes, but has a very unique playing style I would like to help develop. I've asked him if he would learn the S&L version of "Woodstock". I would like him and I to do that song on stage as a duo. I have fallen so in love with this version! I am crazy about it! This is my absolute favorite live CD. That takes a lot for me to say because Gipsy Kings Live and Santana Live are also way up there on the list. Shadows and Light has the dream team of stage bands though. It's the very best for me? Anyone have any other live favorites? Sherelle NP-Dreamland-Shadows and Light _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:21:54 EDT From: SMC1254@aol.com Subject: Re: vanity fair Check out the Elvis Costello interview with Joni in the November issue. A great read - pictures - I hope she writes the book. S ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:43:22 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: All I Want, ref. Vanity Fair A Waltz?. Okay, I'll take it but throw in the 13 missing minutes of Paprika Plains! Plus TEN more. Wow, does Costello know his subject's work, or what? CC NP: "A Brilliant Mistake"-- Elvis Costello ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:50:24 EDT From: BRIANASYMES@aol.com Subject: The tale of two worlds VLJC Last night I attended the Symposium on Environmental Affairs at Lewis and Clark College in Portland. I was there first to drop of two wood sculptures made from recycled material I find at various wood mills in the industrial part of town. The main speaker was Terry Tempest Williams the lecture was in the most beautiful round temple the lower drum was made of beautiful aged brick the Teepee spire above it was held up by massive sloping columns reach up 60 feet in the air it left me feeling I was with the elves in Rivendell about to discuss the fate of middle earth. And this how I would describe the gathering a mixture of mature activist with gray pony tails dressed in earth colors and college students learning about sustainability. Terry spoke about various hero's and heroine's who through individual acts of conscience have 'stopped paving our paradise.' I left the lecture to attend another lower cultural event. It was a 3 hour music survey were I was paid $50 to rated rock and roll music that is played on the metropolitan FM Radios. It was held in an ugly meeting room with thinly padded chairs. I with 30, 40 and 50 year old men and women. I noticed that most were over weight, the woman next to me consume gummy worms and coffee during most of the event. Jack La Lane is right about Sugar being our cultures greatest danger to a healthy life. I was given a remote devise to rate the 30 second clips of each song a virtual history of soul and rock and roll music from early R&B to 90's pop rock. Joni sang out once "Help me I think I'm Falling" and again when CSN sang Woodstock. Which made wish I was back listening to Terry Tempest? I will top the trio of Gillian, Alison and Emmylou with a Quartet of Shawn Colvin, Mary Chapin, Dar Williams and Patty Griffin I saw them all on the stage together with just there guitars It was spendiddy. I wish I had a pretty girl in my bath room. NP Joni The same situation. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:41:45 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! Sherelle Smith wrote: This is my absolute favorite live CD. I love it too! Especially once I saw the video and Toller Cranston skating ohhh la la he's wonderful . The gang in Toronto will remember when we were 'doing the city' post the Hommage to Joni, and we knocked on Toller's studio door, but to no avail. He wasnt in at the time. That takes a lot for me to say because Gipsy Kings Live and Santana Live are also way up there on the list. Shadows and Light has the dream team of stage bands though. It's the very best for me? Anyone have any other live favorites? My favourite live albums off the top of my head are Dave Matthews Band live in Central Park...as well as Pink Floyd Pulse.... I'm sure there are more, alas, Im just home from work and am a bit tired ;-) I would love to hear you sing Woodstock, Sherelle, any chance of you performing in Winnipeg?? ;-) love, Mags Sherelle NP-Dreamland-Shadows and Light _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx if you've had a kindness shown, pass it on. vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:27:31 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: I love Shadows and Light!!!! hi >>>sherelle wrote >>>> Okay, for the umpteenth time, I have to say again that this CD is my "most favorite" Joni CD.............. Anyone well - s&l is my most favorite joni album - so its also my most favourite album ever... other live albums i love laura nyro at the bottom line paul simon live rhyming (with jessy dixon singers) emmylou harris - live on the bbc (radio recording) richard thompson (i can never remember the venue!!)(bootleg) mary chapin carpenter at the wolf trap (dvd)( a double sided dvd you have to turn over halfway through like a vinyl record - ive never come across another one like it) michelle shocked - irving plaza new york (shocking sound from a lo-fi audio stream but a great show) all those live judee sill mp3s some kind lister pointed us to a while back sonia dada live concert for bangladesh (i will be forever jealous of the listers who were there........) joan baez - ring them bells & i half love joan baez - diamonds & rust in the bullring - the second half of the album where she sings in spanish maria muldaur - classic live joni mitchell - a day in the garden joni mitchell - gene autrey museum second chapter of acts with phill keaggy - how the west was won ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:54:00 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: (no subject) JMDL Cabinet **I nominate SCJoniGuy as President. But I'm already director of the FBI! Other positions to be filled..."Director of Dreamland Security"! Bob "If nominated I will not run, if elected I will not serve" Muller ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:47:47 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: New Joni Disc from our buddy Henning! Saw this one today from our Danish friend Henning Olsen - _http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/bigyellowtaxi2_ (http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/bigyellowtaxi2) Looks like he's re-releasing the "Big Yellow Taxi" tracks less Christina, so if you are so inclined to want to sing along on your own or just enjoy the instrumental versions of these songs (Henning is a great guitarist) you can do so. Bob NP: Mike Beck, "Both Sides Now" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:14:15 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Happy birthday, Roberto! Hi Dulson! Grat to hear from you. And Roberto I am raising my glass to you as I speak. Have a wonderful birthday and I hope to see you and play music with you again soon. Love Paz P.S. Both of you. > We look forward to once again raising a glass with you in the bar > at the Empress! All the best! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:36:16 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Joni in Politics (amusing tiny amount of JC) I was at our organizations office in Paradise, California today (it's about 20 miles east of Chico and 90 miles N. of Sacramento). No, I'm not making this up! There is a town of 30,000 called Paradise, California! Anyway, I saw a funny election poster. I have no idea what propisition O is, but the sign said: No on O, Don't Pave Paradise! ========================================= "Heart and humor, and humility, he said, will lighten up your heavy load." - --Joni Mitchell, 'Refuge of the Roads,' from "Hejira", 1976 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 02:05:35 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 14 On October 14 the following articles were published: 1998: "Joni Mitchell, Still Good And Mad" - Washington Post (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=421 2002: "Joni Mitchell "ashamed" to be in music business" - Reuters (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=936 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #293 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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