From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #292 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, October 13 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 292 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's songwriting - American or Universal? [steph@cix.co.uk (Anita G] Joni's (last?) Waltz [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: nucular [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: nucular [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's songwriting - American or Universal? [Em ] Dylan with passing Joni content ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: nucular, re-la-tors, consonants, blah blah blah... ["Steven Polifka" ] Joni's songwriting - American or Universal? ["Marianne Rizzo" ] A Silly Question - (but not about Joni) [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni (?) and Judy on Dolly's upcoming CD [Garret ] Re: No Joni Lyric For Madonna [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: No Joni Lyric For Madonna [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni's songwriting - American or Universal? [mags h ] english as a universal language ["Laurent Olszer" ] english as a universal language ["Laurent Olszer" ] RE: How Joni did on WXPN's Top 885 Songs/David Dye "gets" Joni ["Timothy ] Re: How Joni did on WXPN's Top 885 Songs ... /absence of RLJ, CS, EH ["Ti] Re: Joni (?) and Judy on Dolly's upcoming CD/ Harris, not Raitt ["Timothy] Joni as Vietnamese and 'Willy" [Em ] Re: Joni as Vietnamese and 'Willy" [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:48 +0100 (BST) From: steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle Tedder) Subject: Re: Joni's songwriting - American or Universal? Nuriel wrote "Been meaning to ask this for a long time... What do you think? Is Joni an "American" songwriter or a "Universal" one?" When I read this from the comfort of my English village, I imagined all the Canadian jmdlers writing with indignance that Joni writes with some kind of Canadian sensibility on American/world events/cultures. Maybe she doesn't. Is she seen more as an American? I Know lots of people think she's from the USA. Or does the term 'American' also include Canada? I know we call Brazil, Chile etc. South America and I have heard of people visiting The Americas. I don't know the answers here - maybe someone can enlighten me? And where do people think our Joan fits? My own view is that she has always had great insight into the human condition. Maybe that makes her universal - I would most certainly describe her writing as neat examination of existential issues.I don't feel Like Nuriel on this one when he says: "they're more like > postcards from America, rather than universal "messages". > Hejira, for example." The song Hejira is for me, an English woman, a wonderful look at what it is to be human - the search for meaning, the fear of isolation and death - well, it's all there in that one song. How I wish I could have written that one! Nuriel also wrote: " i sometimes find that lots of her songs/lyrics are very "American", which makes it easier for Americans to relate to and understand them " I have to say that I would struggle to understand anything like the depth of Joni's lyrics in any language other than my first language. That maybe more about my poor language skills! However, I absolutely love and am deeply moved by Savinna Yannatou (I think that's how you spell it)and I don't understand a single word or have a clue what she's singing about. Whether I would feel the same about Joni's music without understanding the lyric on something like 'Hejira' is a whole other thing. I have said before on the list that my first hearing of STAS in 1968 was an orchestral experience for me. All I listened to at that time was Debussy, Satie and (the much derided)Delius. The way Joni used the guitar and her voice in such an unusual way were most important to me and seemed to fit with what I loved musically - which tended to be orchestral. Anyway, that's my two pence worth and it's Soooo good to think, to read discuss these things every day! I am constantly reminded about the wonder of the internet and finding others who love Joni's music so much. When I think of all those years in the wilderness, I thank everyone and especially Les Irvine all over again! Better go off to work, Love Anita ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:44:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Joni's (last?) Waltz Thanks to our dear Les (from London), who was ever so kind to scan and send me Joni's interview in Vanity Fair (thanks again, Les:)), i can now let you know that the only music piece she composed ever since she's "retired" (the term she used), is a piano piece, been worked on since 1997, and it's a waltz. Nuriel Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:38:39 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: nucular **She does, in that recent radio interview from somewhere in the States. And in a like manner, everytime she tells the Magdalene Laundries story, she says "re-la-tors" instead of real-tors....Rrrrrrrrr. Love ya just the same though Joni. Bob NP: Ani, "Overlap" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:22:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: nucular --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > **She does, in that recent radio interview from > somewhere in the States. > > And in a like manner, everytime she tells the > Magdalene Laundries story, she > says "re-la-tors" instead of > real-tors....Rrrrrrrrr. > Love ya just the same though Joni. > I always forget about that until someone brings it up. It makes me cringe every time I hear her tell that story, which she has done often enough. Always pronounces "realtors" incorrectly. At least she's consistent. And in case anyone's wondering, nu-cu-lar and re-la-tor aren't Canadian pronunciations - they're just wrong. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 05:00:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni's songwriting - American or Universal? To me Joni's music, words, art are truly universal so long as its a part of the universe where women are permitted to be strong and individualistic and have their quirks and oddities, without having the sh_t beat out of them by some man who wants her to be only his silent house slave and brood-mare. Seems some parts of the world uphold Joni-ness more than others. Just a hunch. Anywhere you can be wild and obstinate and individualistic and creative, while being a female thats where Joni comes from. Any state of Turbulent Indigo which is not just for guys. Em ps: like I could easily imagine her being from somewhere else besides Canada or LA Mars? didn't somebody say she's from Mars? - --- Anita Gabrielle Tedder wrote: > Nuriel wrote > > "Been meaning to ask this for a long time... > > What do you think? Is Joni an "American" songwriter or a "Universal" > one?" > > When I read this from the comfort of my English village, I imagined > all > the Canadian jmdlers writing with indignance that Joni writes with > some > kind of Canadian sensibility on American/world events/cultures. ..snip ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:10:52 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Dylan with passing Joni content The laconic Bob Dylan gave his first broadcast interview this morning on NPR. He said he understood how Joni Mitchell could give up the music business to concentrate on painting< don't know if the audio is up yet, but here's the link: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4080202 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:37:05 -0500 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: nucular, re-la-tors, consonants, blah blah blah... And she sings her darn consonants! "While Muslims stick up Washingtonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn........" Double argh! Stevo >>> 10/12/04 05:38AM >>> **She does, in that recent radio interview from somewhere in the States. And in a like manner, everytime she tells the Magdalene Laundries story, she says "re-la-tors" instead of real-tors....Rrrrrrrrr. Love ya just the same though Joni. Bob NP: Ani, "Overlap" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:51:33 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Joni's songwriting - American or Universal? Nuriel, I think you have some interesting, thought provoking thoughts here. . . I have never thought of this. . You make a lot of sense. Marianne >Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:24:59 -0700 (PDT) >From: Nuriel Tobias >Subject: Joni's songwriting - American or Universal? >Been meaning to ask this for a long time... >What do you think? Is Joni an "American" songwriter or a "Universal" one? Yes, i know most of you would find this question silly, and tell me that "But OF COURSE she's a universal artist! She's every man's and woman's on earth inner voice!" The only "problem" is that i, being a non-American Joni fan (same as the "problem" may be that most of you are Americans, and even if you're not to believe that "America=The world", you may not be too objective) - i sometimes find that lots of her songs/lyrics are very "American", which makes it easier for Americans to relate to and understand them, and for a guy like me, based in the middle-east, they're more like postcards from America, rather than universal "messages". Hejira, for example. No need to say that it's an amazing album, that - in case you're a non-American listner who understands English good enough, and have the chance to be a jmdl member so you can find answers to terms you otherwise would've never understood - may seem to be a "universal" album, but would i be totally wrong to think that it's even more of an "American" album, as in a VERY "American" one? (BSN - the album that is, may serve as my example for a totally "universal" album, to help you understand my question). So much of her songwriting is filled with "American" landscapes, "American" folks, "American" lifestyle, "American" way of speaking, "American" events, "American" politics, etc' - that i sometimes envy all you American Joni fans out there for being able to REALLY know what she's talking about, unlike someone like me, who sometimes can only close his eyes and imagine it. Hope you understood my question and i'm really looking forward to read your opinions. Thanks, Yours, Nuriel p.s. Just wanted to add, that another confusing "problem" for me in finding the answer to this, is that English is indeed a "universal" thing, and since Joni writes in English, one may find her songs "universal" for that reason only. But let's pretend that Joni was to write in Hebrew (a very non-universal language), about the same stuff, but with all the American-wise lyrics turned into Israeli-wise lyrics - would anyone even dream of calling her songwriting "universal"?... _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:10:52 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Dylan with passing Joni content Clarification: first broadcast interview in 19 years. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Richard Flynn Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:11 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Dylan with passing Joni content The laconic Bob Dylan gave his first broadcast interview this morning on NPR. He said he understood how Joni Mitchell could give up the music business to concentrate on painting< don't know if the audio is up yet, but here's the link: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4080202 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:13:34 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: RE: Dylan with passing Joni content I heard this, too. Thanks for sharing it with everyone, because I got to work and promptly forgot! I didn't get to hear much of this interview, regrettably, but he did say that he was trying to figure out something else to do (tongue-in-cheek). Good thing Joni already knows what that other thing is, or else she might have kept on making music. Then we'd have to talk about it instead of politics, and that would be just awful! Maggie PS Don't faint just because I sent two messages in one hour after lurking and deleting for months since Jonifest 04. - -----Original Message----- From: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:11 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Dylan with passing Joni content The laconic Bob Dylan gave his first broadcast interview this morning on NPR. He said he understood how Joni Mitchell could give up the music business to concentrate on painting< don't know if the audio is up yet, but here's the link: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4080202 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:19:23 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Joni (?) and Judy on Dolly's upcoming CD GREAT IDEA, Mike (Dolly covering "You Turn Me On...")! I can hear it now. Joni could even guest by remaking some of those lower register, background vocals similar to the ones on the original. ;-) XXXOOO, Billy Mike Friedman (mike@pinataperspective.com) wrote: >>>I really like the idea of Dolly singing "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio!"<<< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:12:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Dylan with passing Joni content Well thanks a lot for that comment, Bob Dylan - that's "exactly" what Joni needed to hear! Uhhhh...no use...She's probably already heard that interview on the radio and went "Thank God, at least my dear Boby understands me". Why don't YOU give up "singing", Dylan, and concentrate on ballet?! Nuriel Richard Flynn wrote: The laconic Bob Dylan gave his first broadcast interview this morning on NPR. He said he understood how Joni Mitchell could give up the music business to concentrate on painting< don't know if the audio is up yet, but here's the link: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4080202 vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:05:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: A Silly Question - (but not about Joni) Could anyone help me trace a song's name? It's a Jerome Kern song, seen it on "Till The Clouds Roll By", think it's something like 'How'd ya like ta' swing with me?" - but ain't too sure. I had no one else to ask but you guys, and if you don't mind just one more silly question - who sang it in that lovely film? Thanks, Nuri vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:15 +0100 (BST) From: steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle Tedder) Subject: Re: Joni's songwriting - American or Universal? emzdogz@yahoo.com (Em) wrote: > Anywhere you can be wild and obstinate and individualistic and > creative, while being a female thats where Joni comes from. > Any state of Turbulent Indigo which is not just for guys. > Em > ps: like I could easily imagine her being from somewhere else besides > Canada or LA > Mars? didn't somebody say she's from Mars? > I like the idea, Em, of coming from Turbulent Indigo. Makes a lot of sense to me, Love Anita ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:21:43 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Find Your Own Joni Magical Spell:) David Michael Pritchard - dreamland mike in barcelona ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:11:41 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: joni on my radio. etc. Dear Ones: This morning I had a particularly beautiful ride to work here in New England. I took the back country October roads, past the red barns and pumpkin patches and horse fields (no Shell oil fields here!), drinking in the riot of colors in the trees (remember day-glo paint??) and WILLING myself to have a great day. Well, my will be done -- as soon as I parked my car, Joni starts singing from my radio! Eyes wide open! Not from the CD player (because I don't have one -- poor poor pitiful me), but the regular old radio. It's always magic when, quite unexpectedly, you hear THAT VOICE - -- you know what I mean? Yes, of course you do! It made my day. The song, btw, was "Help Me", and while all the Husky-sweatshirted students and colored leaves swirled around my vehicle, I just sat there and sang my heart out. If I drew funny looks, if people thought that chick was twisted, I didn't care. Now, I ramble onto a different subject: we have three more weeks of intense, INTENSE political discussion and fighting. I see it here on the list, and I see it between me and my own brother, and my own mother. I hope we can all take deep Joni-breaths from time to time, step back and keep our eye on the prize. Be cool! Talk to the fence sitters, forget the people way out in right field. We're not going to be able to bring them back to the garden, sadly. Everyone back up on the Peace Train! Choo choo cha boogie, Kerry/Edwards! Love and peace, Patti P.S. And in addition to the election, we have the RED SOX vs. the Evil Empire starting tonight! Ooh la la!!! And if you disagree that the Yankees are evil, know this: I just read that Steinbrenner and A-Rod contribute to the Bush campaign. Enough said? GO SOX! _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:27:15 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Joni (?) and Judy on Dolly's upcoming CD As someting of a Dolly fan (absolutely not my fault!!), i have been hearing rumours for some time about an ambitious project Dolly is working on that will be an album of duets and collaborations. Sounds like this could be it. I think SInead O Connor may also be involved (and i really like her music). Given that Dolly has like eighty albums and has a large number of covers (i just love great balls of fire and in the ghetto), i have always been a little surprised that she hasn't had a joni cover (but then, i still hope for a Nina Simone interpretatoin of a joni song to emerge). A joni collaboration may be a little more exciting than a joni cover. Dolly has been interesting in recent years. Her album, little sparrow being one to listen to. GARRET - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:00:18 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: No Joni Lyric For Madonna > Yes, i know we all don't care much for her, but i found this Madonna lyric to > be quite interesting Joni-wise. Who says we all don't much care for her? I love Madonna! > It's the chorus of the song "Drowned world" from the album "Ray of Light". > Notice the lyrics that follow the word "no" - don't they remind of you > "someone else's" lyrics, and could it be that Madonna was settling scores > with Joni? > > "No ferris wheel, no heart to steal > No laughter in the dark > No one-night stand, no far-off land > No fire that I can spark" > > (No jmdl member's going to reply to this one:)) I'm replying, and I'm wondering: What scores? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:49:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: No Joni Lyric For Madonna Lori Fye wrote: "Yes, i know we all don't care much for her, but i found this Madonna lyric to > be quite interesting Joni-wise. Who says we all don't much care for her? I love Madonna!" A-ha! I knew there was a madonna fan hiding here somewhere! This whole thread was a trick to find out just who it was, and there we have it - Lori Fye! Shame on you, girl! You are reported to the Joni police at once! :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Pssss...Lori...don't let "them" know, but i also love her...i love her very much... "(No jmdl member's going to reply to this one:)) I'm replying, and I'm wondering: What scores?" What scores? What scores, Lori???? You should read more Joni interviews on jmdl.com - if you do so, you'd see that there's lots of stuff regarding Joni vs. The Universe...lol! OK, OK - she said some nasty things about Madonna (what interview, i can't say for sure, but i've seen it with my own eyes, honest) - and that was right after Madonna said how much she loved Court and Spark in her youth. Isn't that a shame? Same thing happened with Alanis (or Analis, as my man calls her), and with lots of other "pop" girls too. Then ROL was released, and i found that, in a way, maybe not, i dunno, Madonna was settling scores with Joni, but maybe i'm just getting smartass here, though there is "something" odd going on in those lyrics, don't you think? Don't answer me! I don't want to know! LOL! Sorry for this whole post, Lori. I'm overdozed by too much emailing for one day. Find it in your heart to forgive me. Nuriel Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:49:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: No Joni Lyric For Madonna Lori Fye wrote: "Yes, i know we all don't care much for her, but i found this Madonna lyric to > be quite interesting Joni-wise. Who says we all don't much care for her? I love Madonna!" A-ha! I knew there was a madonna fan hiding here somewhere! This whole thread was a trick to find out just who it was, and there we have it - Lori Fye! Shame on you, girl! You are reported to the Joni police at once! :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) Pssss...Lori...don't let "them" know, but i also love her...i love her very much... "(No jmdl member's going to reply to this one:)) I'm replying, and I'm wondering: What scores?" What scores? What scores, Lori???? You should read more Joni interviews on jmdl.com - if you do so, you'd see that there's lots of stuff regarding Joni vs. The Universe...lol! OK, OK - she said some nasty things about Madonna (what interview, i can't say for sure, but i've seen it with my own eyes, honest) - and that was right after Madonna said how much she loved Court and Spark in her youth. Isn't that a shame? Same thing happened with Alanis (or Analis, as my man calls her), and with lots of other "pop" girls too. Then ROL was released, and i found that, in a way, maybe not, i dunno, Madonna was settling scores with Joni, but maybe i'm just getting smartass here, though there is "something" odd going on in those lyrics, don't you think? Don't answer me! I don't want to know! LOL! Sorry for this whole post, Lori. I'm overdozed by too much emailing for one day. Find it in your heart to forgive me. Nuriel vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:47:24 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: Re: Joni's songwriting - American or Universal? hello everyone.... a few thoughts on a rainy afternoon....I think of Joni as Canadian, because I know she is..once a Canadian always....I dont know...it's just how I think of her. I dont think .. Joni the American... and with all due respect...Canadians take great pride in being known as Canadians, not Americans. We are rarely known as North Americans...as South Americans are. Nuriel asks... is Joni's songwriting universal...hmmm that's a good question...I have heard from many listers that Joni's songs, and lyrics speak to their experiences...I also know that saying someone / something is universal is a bit of a sticky wicket. (dont worry, Im not going to get all political here). ;-)) I first heard Joni's music in 1974, a surprise it was, and my collection grew very slowly over the years. In fact, I probably picked up the majority of my Joni CDs during the past four years of membership here. I have gained an education of the Joni kind, and continue to do so... hey why not a degree at the university of Joni ;-) now listening to my bro Bob's sweeeet sweet 16 Volume three.......wow oh wow this is amazing..and Im only on Help Me! thanks angel Ashara for this one !!! Anyway, Nuriel, Im glad you brought up the question to ponder about whether or not Joni can be considered universal in her writing. I relate to so much of what she has to say. I dont think I can answer it yes or no... how about maybe ;-)) Mags *if you've had a kindness shown, pass it on* Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:57:21 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: Re: Joni's songwriting - American or Universal? Gee I never thought of Canada as Turbulent Indigo , but hey why not! Mags, another turbulent indigOdian LOL (silli mood today) if you've had a kindness shown, pass it on. Yahoo! Mail  CNET Editors' Choice 2004. Tell them what you think. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:31:47 +0100 From: Garret Subject: english as a universal language Your other question about english as a universal language is another topic. Whether we like it or not the american culture is universal. I recall my 1st impression of L.A. was: looks very familiar after watching american TV series. So if one lives in a part of the world where there are american films on TV, chances are we all have the same cultural references. On the one hand it's pitiful because some may argue it's the lowest common denominator. I look at the positive effect: we share values with more people on the planet today than 50 years ago. Laurent > > Fortunately we all have different accents and dialects that keep it interesting Laurent:-) I was in Waterstones on picadilly just before i left London and I came across a little volume teaching Anglo-Irish words to tourists so they could get by in English-speaking Ireland. It was funny (and to be honest, i had not realised that some of them were specific to Ireland). When i was in Sweden earlier this year i was surprised to find that English was such a prevalent part of their culture. I was in a fairly northern university town doing some research and even the small children had good english. I had an interesting chat with a man there. I mentioned that i was surprised at the fact that everyone had English and that even large groups of people would speak English when i was around even when they were drinking!! He was talking about either Norway or Finland saying that they tend not to be so English-ready there as they were holding onto their own language, but *he* thought that the Swedes ability and, more to the point, willingness to use English was an advantage in an increasingly, eh, globalised (?) world. Why hold on and stunt development (our conversation was largely in relation to scientific research) and chances for international co-operation and investment? I had not really thought about the economic value of it before. I'm not entirely convinced that American culture is universal however, but it's interesting that you make these points Laurent. GARRET NP- Diana Ross, Imagine - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:23:13 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: english as a universal language > Garrett wrote: > Fortunately we all have different accents and dialects that keep it interesting > I came across a little volume teaching Anglo-Irish words to tourists so they could > get by in English-speaking Ireland. It was funny (and to be honest, i had not > realised that some of them were specific to Ireland). > > I'm not entirely convinced that American culture is universal however, but it's > interesting that you make these points Laurent. > Please forgive me. I should have made an exception for Ireland. After all, america "stole" their language, really. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:23:56 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: english as a universal language Oops, forgot the NJC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:07:50 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: RE: How Joni did on WXPN's Top 885 Songs/David Dye "gets" Joni Exactly right, Jim ("Lama"). For those that may be unfamiliar, D. Dye is host of the "World Cafe" program that is produced at WXPN and syndicated via Public Radio International to other public radio stations. At the end of each hour's segment, David's recorded voice thanks their partners and names two of the radio stations that carry it -- the announcements and the stations cited rotate -- including at least one in Alaska, one in Minnesota, one in Spindale, N.C., and one in Baltimore, which I also am able to hear some of the time. Others at WXPN "get" Joni, too, including: Morning host Michaela Majoun, who was the introducer when Joni et al. performed at what was then the E-Center, now the Tweeter Center, in Camden, N.J. (right across the Delaware River from Philadelphia, Pa.) as the last stop on the "Both Sides Now" tour, and, as I have observed before, sometimes refers to Joni, seemingly only half-jokingly, as "the goddess"; Midday host and, I think, music director Helen Leicht (say "light"), on whose Leicht Lunch request segment today the first request was "Song for Sharon"; Gene Shay, host for the Sunday-evening folk-music program and the Philadelphia area's grand old man of folk music. I think one or more past on-air interview of J.M. by G.S. are in the jmdl library. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. >From: >To: >Subject: How Joni did on WXPN's Top 885 Songs Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 >1:44:41 -0400 > >Cool. You may already know that David Dye of WXPN "gets" Joni. He plays >her tracks (and her songs covered by others) and he does very well when >interviewing her over the years. He asks intellegent questions. > >Jim > >From: "Timothy Spong" >Subject: How Joni did on WXPN's Top 885 Songs of All Time (listener poll) > >Fellow Jonilistas, > >WXPN, the adult-album-alternative-format radio station affiliated with the >University of Pennsylvania (for our international members: U of P is NOT a >state or state-related school. It was founded by Benjamin Franklin as >Pennsylvania Academy and is private and a member of the Ivy League) to >which >I frequently refer, as it is where I usually hear Joni on radio, recently >moved to a new building and, as part of the celebration, held a listeners' >poll to determine "The Top 885 Songs of All Time" (the station's broadcast >frequency is 88.5 MHz). The method was for listeners to nominate their >respective top 10; then, all were compiled. Full disclosure: I am not a >person of sharply defined and readily ordered favorites; therefore, I did >not vote. Anyhow, while, from the nominations read on the air, some voted >for types of music well outside the scope of what WXPN nornally broadcasts, >e.g., classical and operatic, none of those made it into the top 885, but >some pop/rock outside the type they normally broadcast, except maybe when >doing a special tracing the history of rock and roll, e.g., "Free Bird" >(Lynyrd Skynyrd) and "Walking In the Rain" (Ronettes), did. > >Most of you will probably be pleased that 16 of Joni's own recordings made >it into the list, if not with how low some of them placed: > _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:13:38 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Re: How Joni did on WXPN's Top 885 Songs ... /absence of RLJ, CS, EH While I wasn't watching for those names, I think you are correct, Mark. RLJ and EH get a fair amount of attention and airplay at the station, however; not so much for Carly. Remember that the poll was not scientifically selected, but self-selected; and that each voter submitted a personal Top 10, which was compiled into a grand total of 885, but did not necessarily reflect what any individual voter might have put into her/his Top 885, or Top 100, or Top 50, or Top 20, other than the Top 10. Other things that have been played or announced on air and may be posted somewhere on the station's Web site are what was "bubbling under the Top 885," and staff and musical celebrity picks. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. >From: "Mark or Travis" >To: "Timothy Spong" , >Subject: Re: How Joni did on WXPN's Top 885 Songs of All Time (listener >poll) >Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:54:15 -0700 > >Timothy Spong wrote: > > Fellow Jonilistas, > > > > WXPN, the adult-album-alternative-format radio station affiliated > > with the University of Pennsylvania (for our international members: U > > of P is NOT a state or state-related school. It was founded by > > Benjamin Franklin as Pennsylvania Academy and is private and a member > > of the Ivy League) to which I frequently refer, as it is where I > > usually hear Joni on radio, recently moved to a new building and, as > > part of the celebration, held a listeners' poll to determine "The Top > > 885 Songs of All Time" (the station's broadcast frequency is 88.5 > > MHz). > >I didn't see one song by Rickie Lee Jones or Carly Simon. I don't think >there was anything by >Emmylou Harris either. > >Mark E in Seattle > _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:15:47 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Re: Joni (?) and Judy on Dolly's upcoming CD/ Harris, not Raitt Of course, Catherine. Thanks for setting the record straight. I had doubt as I posted it -- see my parenthetical insert -- and then, I thought of Emmylou either yesterday or today before reading your post. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. >From: Catherine McKay >To: Timothy Spong , joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Joni (?) and Judy on Dolly's upcoming CD >Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:19:59 -0400 (EDT) > > --- Timothy Spong wrote: > > > Comment: Maybe not. Dolly Parton has been known > > lately for collaborative > > albums, including two (I think) with Linda Rondstadt > > and Bonnie Raitt (I > > think; someone please correct me if incorrect). > >Dolly Parton got together with Emmylou Harris and >Linda Ronstadt as "Trio" and they made at least one, >maybe two, albums together. > >I think it would be very cool if Joni got together >with Dolly. Would it be original material, I wonder? >would it all be Dolly's stuff? Maybe Joni and Dolly >could do, "You turn me on, I'm a radio" which is the >one that springs to my mind right off the top as her >most "country" song. Or maybe "Raised on robbery." > >And on the topic of whether or not country music >incites people to suicide (I'm behind in reading & >everything else), would it not occur to these people >who do these so-called studies that maybe it's not >country music that drives people to suicide, but that >depressive people often listen to sad music - and it >doesn't get much more hurtin' than country music. A >lot of people think Joni is depressing too. > > > >===== >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:31:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Joni as Vietnamese and 'Willy" someone had mentioned "Willy". (and I don't even remember the context because, well, because my brain is sieve-like sometimes. But, anyway, that merged in my mind with the idea of Joni-songs being pan-human if not downright "universal". And I flashed on the image of a woman in the far east somewhere, living in a rural area. Maybe farming rice and with water buffaloes in the background... and her singing "Willy". It could happen! and be very profound...joy and sorrow are, after all, something we all share. We all wonder to some extent about our lovers/mates/pelvic affiliates. I could also hear an oriental version of "Willy" blasting tinny from those tons of invisible and sh_te sounding speakers in "Blade Runner" in the interminable dreck-rain. hmmm.... ok thanks for letting me say all that.... Em ===== - ---------- "But Mona Lisa musta had the highway blues You can tell by the way she smiles" Bob D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:06:10 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni as Vietnamese and 'Willy" **Maybe farming rice and with water buffaloes in the background... and her singing "Willy". Em - please forward me a copy of this recording! :~) Actually, your point is WELL taken - all of the covers I've collected that are either in another language or recorded outside of the US pretty much shoots down the theory that Joni is "American" in any way. Some American references, to be sure...but I'll bet just as many Canadian & International references as well. Matter of fact...I'm looking at the tracklist for the next Covers volume, and 5, maybe 6 of the tracks are from American artists. Em, I'd love to play you Hajime Chitose's version of Blue, she sings it with all of these Asian bamboo-flute-like vocal inflections...I think it's gorgeous, but I'm all out there on my own with my opinion, sad to say. NEXT trip to Tampa we have to have an all-night Joni covers listening party, OK? Jerry can play all of his Asian "Circle Game" recordings. Bob NP: k.d. lang, "A Case Of You" ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #292 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)