From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #289 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, October 10 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 289 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Find Your Own Joni Spell AKA Joni Angels/Lines [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #407 (The bad thing about that era) [Nuriel Tobias ] Jane Campion's The Piano and Joni [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Find Your Own Joni Spell AKA Joni Angels/Lines [Catherine McKay ] Re: Find Your Own Joni Spell AKA Joni Angels/Lines [Nuriel Tobias ] joni and elvis in vanity fair ["Ross, Les" ] Re: Can country music drive you to suicide? [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: My (Totally) Secret Place [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Hilburn's essay in Post ["janine sherman" ] Re: Can country music drive you to suicide? [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Joni Angels [Michael Paz ] Joni on upcoming Dolly CD? [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Today's Library Links: October 10 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Can country music drive you to suicide? [Nuriel Tobias Subject: Find Your Own Joni Spell AKA Joni Angels/Lines Hi friends, Wow, i'm so happy that you found this fun! My Rabbi would have been very proud of me...NOT! He'd probably would've hit me with a stick if he knew that this Kabalah secrect he's taught me has now been transformed into a Joni spell! Anyway, just wanted to let everyone who's already found their spell, and those who are still looking for it - Don't be afraid if the lyric that you've found doesn't "describe you" or even it's a "negative" lyric (even if your name was to be Karol Red, which would've meant that your Joni spell is "Kiss my ass, i said"). The Kabalah says there are no negative words in the Bible, and i do believe Joni's lyrics are (in a way) all good too, and as for finding a Joni lyric that you may feel that is "not you", the Kabalah also says that even if you think it doesn't describe you - it does, no matter what it's saying and even if you can't find the connection (Poor old Karol Red:)) I don't remember exactly what my Bible line was - but it had to do with sacrifising sheeps or something, and when i asked my Rabbi - "What has that got to do with me, Rabbi Ben-Harush?" he told me that the fact that the line began with the first letter of my private name and ended with the last letter of my family name, meant that it IS my line (my "bar" as he called it) and even if i don't undrestand why, my intire soul is captured in that line. I found ALL the lyrics that you've found as your Joni spells to be lovely:) Love, Nuriel vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 01:13:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: My (Totally) Secret Place Dear Bob, I now know for sure that i TOTALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS SONG IS ABOUT! And the fact the the lyrics are sung sometimes by Her and sometimes by Him, makes it the more confusing, for i no longer understand who's taking who to the secret place, Who owns the secret place - though it always makes me smile when i hear him singing "Your pretty face". I can imagine the scene at the recording studio: Peter: Hummm...Joni...i was wondering...which on of us is going to sing the "Your pretty face" lyric? Joni: Well what do you think?! Do you think that I'M going to sing "Your pretty face" to YOU?!" Peter: OK...OK...i was only asking...btw, Joni, do you want me to sing it as if i realy mean it?... Joni: I'm warning you, Peter! Now shut the fuck up and sing the bloody line before i show you just how pretty i can be!!! I'll check the info. section to see what and if Joni has ever said about who's that character in the song. Nuriel SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: **Cause i've always found this song to be a very personal song. It all fits with Joni but for this New York City thing. How so, Nuriel? I read through the lyrics today a couple of times and they are generic and vague, actually very poor by Joni's standard. Nothing specific in the lyrics except for the part you referenced about being born & raised in NYC and moving to Colorado which pretty much ices the fact that it's *not* autobiographical. Bob Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 02:15:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #407 (The bad thing about that era) BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: I've always loved MSP, sonically, harmonically, lyrically. One of the better songs of that Joni era (of course some of us claim there were no good songs of that era, but I respectfully disagree). Bryan I think the ONLY no good thing that Joni did during that era was when she curled her hair. That was awful. Nuriel vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 03:15:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Jane Campion's The Piano and Joni ...Thought you may find this intereting. Found this site named "static.highbeam.com". In one of it's sections - Women and Language - there's an article titled "Choosing silence: defiance and resistance without voice in Jane Campion's The Piano". I couldn't read the article becuase reading it involves with paying the site, but i found some notes about it, and couldn't help thinking of what Joni's going thru these days. "This essay focuses on silence as a tool of empowerment and self-assertion rather than a manifestation of oppression. The authors offer an alternative to the idea that it is necessary to "give voice" to empower marginalized persons. Using Jane Campion's 1993 film The Piano as its focus, this piece addresses the communication forms, verbal and otherwise, used by a mute woman under the veil of patriarchal Victorian society. As this woman refuses to conform to the mores of her era, she ultimately manages to "find voice" on her own terms. Silence can be a plan rigorously executed the blueprint to a life It is a presence, it has a history, a form Do not confuse it with any kind of absence" Nuriel vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 07:59:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Find Your Own Joni Spell AKA Joni Angels/Lines --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Don't be afraid if the lyric that you've > found doesn't "describe you" or even it's a > "negative" lyric (even if your name was to be Karol > Red, which would've meant that your Joni spell is > "Kiss my ass, i said"). Hmm. I may just change my name to Karol Red... ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 07:06:26 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: RE: Joni lines > OK, then can I have this? > > "Hell's the hippest way to go > Well I don't think (so)" Well, Hell, why don't you just take the first part? "Hell's the hippest way to go" lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 08:39:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Find Your Own Joni Spell AKA Joni Angels/Lines LOL!!!!!! Dear Karol Red, You're amaaaaaazing! Nurieline McTobias Catherine McKay wrote: - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Don't be afraid if the lyric that you've > found doesn't "describe you" or even it's a > "negative" lyric (even if your name was to be Karol > Red, which would've meant that your Joni spell is > "Kiss my ass, i said"). Hmm. I may just change my name to Karol Red... ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:58:46 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni Cover + video! Thanks to our excellent Euro-scout Monica, you can enjoy a fine version of "God Must Be A Boogie Man" by Sara Lee & Robin and see the video of the duo performing it. Chris Marshall - you need to see this. 1. Go here: _www.knoertz.tk/_ (http://www.knoertz.tk/) 2. Click on "video" 3. Click on "Sara Lee & Robin TV Rijnmond Live" 4. Enjoy 5. There is no step 5, unless you want to say thanks to Monica. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:31:13 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Can country music drive you to suicide? A recent British Medical Journal carried this story which I thought made entertaining reading:- Can country music drive you to suicide? The Ig Nobel award for medicinebone of the prizes given annually to scientists who have produced unusual researchbwas given this year to a team of researchers who had found that cities in which radio stations played a higher than average amount of country music had higher than average suicide rates. The award went to Steven Stack of Wayne State University, Michigan, and James Gundlach of Auburn University, Alabama, for their report, The Effect of Country Music on Suicide. Dr Stack protested to the BMJ that it was unfair of Newsweek to call him and his colleague "academic coneheads." "We had hard data showing that cities with higher than average country music radio market share had higher white suicide rates," he said. African-American suicide rates, he explained, were not affected by the country music market ( Social Forces 1992;71: 211-8[ISI]). Odd science, from the peculiar to the bizarre, was centre stage at the ceremony, the 14th in the history of the prize, which was held at Harvard University. The awards are given by the Annals of Improbable Research for work that "celebrates the unusual" and "first makes you laugh, and then makes you think." The clear winner of the night, however, was the recipient of this year's peace prize, Daisuke Inoue of Hyugo, Japan. Mr Inoue, who invented the karaoke machine, received this year's peace award for "providing an entirely new way for people to learn to tolerate each other." Certainly does make you think. And they say Joni's music is depressing! Hmm - maybe someone could get funding for a study of suicide rates in towns which don't play enough Joni. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 09:59:31 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: My (Totally) Secret Place Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Dear Bob, > > I now know for sure that i TOTALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS SONG IS > ABOUT! Here's what Joni has to say about 'My Secret Place' in her notes for 'The Complete Geffen Recordings' box set: Albert Magnoli approached me to write a song for a scene in a movie he was making, 'American Anthem'. In the scene a young couple in a red jeep is racing up a mountain road against a backdrop of golden aspen trees. The director requested the song be upbeat and nestled on a bed of Syndrums and he sang to me a hideous Syndrum fill. I told him "That's not the way I see the music in this scene and I couldn't possibly give you a drum fill like that. Should I do it anyway?" He laughed and said "Yes, and while you're at it, take a jab at the title song. Write me an American anthem." So I wrote a ballad 'My Secret Place' for the driving scene and 'Number One' for the anthem. > And the fact the the lyrics are sung sometimes by Her and sometimes > by Him, makes it the more confusing, for i no longer understand who's > taking who to the secret place, Who owns the secret place - though it > always makes me smile when i hear him singing "Your pretty face". Joni continues with her notes: We were in England at the time. Klein had just finished playing on Peter Gabriel's So album. The album was completed and his studio was standing empty. Peter offered it to me, as a courtesy, to make my demos. He agreed to sing on 'My Secret Place'. I didn't approach the duet in the usual way. I wanted it to be like the Song of Solomon where gender seems to change arbitrarily. I had learned from singing with Don Henley that seemingly different voices give little to no contrast in certain registers and I used this observation here. Both songs were rejected. Of 'Number One,' the director said, "I asked for an anthem. I don't want the truth!" Hope that helps, Nuriel. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 18:08:19 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: joni and elvis in vanity fair This month's UK Vanity Fair has an interview carried out by Elvis Costello with Joni Mitchell. Only managed to scan it at the time of writing but she covers her recent musical output. She hasn't had any. She states that she's had one song for which she sees no immediate lyric arising. Sigh. Much of the old discontent is gone over again (yawn) but there is other stuff and there are also some good pics with our Elv. So get out there and buy it babes. Les (london) oh, Johny Depp is on the cover...which also effects a certain ease on the eye. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:16:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Can country music drive you to suicide? Hey Jacky, Could you please recommend me the best country music album available? My Mother in law's birthday is next month, and i think it would make a superb birthday gift for her! Thanks, Nuriel Gertus@aol.com wrote: A recent British Medical Journal carried this story which I thought made entertaining reading:- Can country music drive you to suicide? The Ig Nobel award for medicinebone of the prizes given annually to scientists who have produced unusual researchbwas given this year to a team of researchers who had found that cities in which radio stations played a higher than average amount of country music had higher than average suicide rates. The award went to Steven Stack of Wayne State University, Michigan, and James Gundlach of Auburn University, Alabama, for their report, The Effect of Country Music on Suicide. Dr Stack protested to the BMJ that it was unfair of Newsweek to call him and his colleague "academic coneheads." "We had hard data showing that cities with higher than average country music radio market share had higher white suicide rates," he said. African-American suicide rates, he explained, were not affected by the country music market ( Social Forces 1992;71: 211-8[ISI]). Odd science, from the peculiar to the bizarre, was centre stage at the ceremony, the 14th in the history of the prize, which was held at Harvard University. The awards are given by the Annals of Improbable Research for work that "celebrates the unusual" and "first makes you laugh, and then makes you think." The clear winner of the night, however, was the recipient of this year's peace prize, Daisuke Inoue of Hyugo, Japan. Mr Inoue, who invented the karaoke machine, received this year's peace award for "providing an entirely new way for people to learn to tolerate each other." Certainly does make you think. And they say Joni's music is depressing! Hmm - maybe someone could get funding for a study of suicide rates in towns which don't play enough Joni. Jacky Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 15:41:12 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: My (Totally) Secret Place Nuriel Tobias wrote: > > I now know for sure that i TOTALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS SONG IS ABOUT! > And the fact the the lyrics are sung sometimes by Her and sometimes by Him, > makes it the more confusing, for i no longer understand who's taking who to > the secret place, Who owns the secret place - though it always makes me smile > when i hear him singing "Your pretty face". ... I've always heard it as a seduction song, as an invitation to intimacy, rather than the Secret Place being something "out there", partly because the voices are so intertwined it's not clear who's singing what. Sounds sexy to me, as though Joni's teasing and enticing someone and offering to share her secret place, her body?, her heart?, with her companion. It's been a while since I listened to that song, so I don't know if the lyrics support that idea or not. But, she wrote it as a traveling song? Interesting. Have there been any covers of it? Maybe if it sounded clearer, it would be more of a roadtrip song. Debra Shea, ahhh, it all comes back to Joni ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 16:51:12 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: My (Totally) Secret Place **Have there been any covers of it? None that I'm aware of, Debra - and believe me I look in every nook & cranny (whatever a cranny is), and have many pals around the world that do the same. Jamie Zoob sang it at the 2000 UK Jonifest, and that recording was shared but I don't include Jonifest tracks in my database. Chalk Mark has not been a source for too many covers: - -A Bird That Whistles was covered by a Swedish group that took that song title for their band name for a Joni Tribute CD; - -The Beat Of Black Wings has been covered three times (makes sense as its far & away the best track on the record); - -The Tea Leaf Prophecy was covered last year by Holly Near & Cris Williamson. Bob NP: Joni, "Willy" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 17:17:07 -0400 From: "janine sherman" Subject: Hilburn's essay in Post Clear DayRobert Hilburn's essay on Joni appeared in this week's (Oct.6)Washington Post. It was an entire bottom half page of the newspaper including a lovely 1968 photo of Joni (looking a little like Heidi) smiling widely crowned in a daisies. NP: Two Against Nature: Steely Dan Janine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:20:15 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Can country music drive you to suicide? Jacky wrote: A recent British Medical Journal carried this story which I thought made entertaining reading:- Can country music drive you to suicide? The Ig Nobel award for medicinebone of the prizes given annually to scientists who have produced unusual researchbwas given this year to a team of researchers who had found that cities in which radio stations played a higher than average amount of country music had higher than average suicide rates. The award went to Steven Stack of Wayne State University, Michigan, and James Gundlach of Auburn University, Alabama, for their report, The Effect of Country Music on Suicide. Dr Stack protested to the BMJ that it was unfair of Newsweek to call him and his colleague "academic coneheads." "We had hard data showing that cities with higher than average country music radio market share had higher white suicide rates," he said. African-American suicide rates, he explained, were not affected by the country music market ( Social Forces 1992;71: 211-8[ISI]). Odd science, from the peculiar to the bizarre, was centre stage at the ceremony, the 14th in the history of the prize, which was held at Harvard University. The awards are given by the Annals of Improbable Research for work that "celebrates the unusual" and "first makes you laugh, and then makes you think." The clear winner of the night, however, was the recipient of this year's peace prize, Daisuke Inoue of Hyugo, Japan. Mr Inoue, who invented the karaoke machine, received this year's peace award for "providing an entirely new way for people to learn to tolerate each other." Certainly does make you think. And they say Joni's music is depressing! Hmm - maybe someone could get funding for a study of suicide rates in towns which don't play enough Joni. Hi Jacky, I've heard people say that Joni's music has saved them from committing suicide. I can see how Judgement of the Moon and Stars could do that. All of Don Juan's Recklace Daughter could be considered good therapy for the down and out in my opinion. About country music... it is all around me here in Arkansas. I have a really hard time tolerating it even though I love many types of music. Somebody said if there wasn't any adultry, drunks, and fights there wouldn't be any country music. Speaking of karaoke, I was at a party for a friend where there was a really nice karaoke set up, and people kept doing country songs... one after the other after the other. I had enough and was getting crazy in my head, about to burst. So I got some junior high kids gathered together with me and did Led Zep's Black Dog and Aerosmith's Walk this Way and then had my friend Betty help me do Earth Wind and Fire's Fantasy to break the monotony of the country songs. It was a quick fix, but I had to leave shortly after that because they went back to the country songs. Hades for me would be constant country music. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:25:26 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni Angels > hi > > > > woo hoo - i must be the *only* person with my own name in the line: > > "Ron had a car" > > > ron > Except for me Michael From Mountains Joni Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 02:14:11 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Joni on upcoming Dolly CD? This is something I dug up in the Knoxville, TN newspaper (knownews.com). I suspect it's not quite right. I suspect that a Joni song may be covered on the CD but not that Joni will perform. But here's what it said: Many of the covers will appear on a new CD titled "Blue Smoke" that Parton is working on. Guests on the new CD will include Judy Collins and Joni Mitchell. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 02:18:04 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 10 On October 10 the following article was published: 1998: "Joni Mitchell Shows Her Stripes" - Toronto Star (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=388 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 23:53:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Can country music drive you to suicide? LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: "I've heard people say that Joni's music has saved them from committing suicide." It's hard for me to explain this, but sometimes i feel as if Joni herself is "committing suicide" on some of her albums. 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