From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #287 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, October 8 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 287 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- My Secret Place [WilburFEE@netscape.net (Kevin Fee)] Re: My Secret Place [Nuriel Tobias ] RE: Find Your Own Joni Magical Spell:) ["hell" ] Joni mention in Reader's Digest ["hell" ] Re: Find Your Own Joni Magical Spell:) [Deb Messling ] Inide this Administration! [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] What's Killing Paz - (Joni's not here) [Nuriel Tobias ] No Joni Lyric For Madonna [Nuriel Tobias ] Another Joni tribute... ["Brian Hernandez" ] Dylan's autobiography [Nuriel Tobias ] RE: Dylan's autobiography ["Les Irvin" ] RE: Dylan's autobiography [mags h ] Joni Angels ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Find Your Own Joni Magical Spell:) [Moni Kellermann ] Re: What's Killing Paz - (Joni's not here) [Michael Paz ] Today's Library Links: October 8 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: Chaka Khan's son arrested for murder (Joni mention) [Brenda ] Re: What's Killing Paz - (Joni's not here) [Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: My Secret Place Kevin Fee wrote: "I think My Secret Place is one of Joni's masterpieces" You took the words out of my mouth, Wilbur. One thing i never undrestood, regarding this song, is the lyric "I was born and raised in N.Y city". Could anyone wiser then myself please explain? Nuriel vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:09:46 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: Find Your Own Joni Magical Spell:) Nuriel wrote: > Nuriel Tobias wrote: > So it crossed my mind, that Joni's lyrics would be > > even better than the Bible, and surely a magical spell coming from > > Joni's lyrics would reach the highest levels. > > For example - Catherine's magical spell could be "Cats come crying to > > the key", mine may be "Now the way leads to the hills". etc'. > > So, if you wish to find your own magical spell, just think of a Joni > > lyric that starts with the first letter of your private name and ends > > with the last letter of your family name - and whenever you feel a > > bit uncertain, a bit afraid, or if you simply need some good luck, > > all you have to do is say it 5 times, and your own angel will be > > there to help you.:) And then Mark replied: > 'Music comes spilling out into the street' > > I rather like that! Well, I searched the lyrics, and found a few I could use. I'm not sure about this one, from The Reoccurring Dream: "He's going to love me in this ruby, ruby lipstick" I don't really think it's me! Then there are these ones: "He's a singer in the park" - My Old Man "He's a dancer in the dark" - My Old Man "He was playing on the sidewalk" - Court And Spark But this one, from Roses Blue seems most appropriate, given the purpose of the lines: "How to think, how to think" Hell ____________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:36:33 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Joni mention in Reader's Digest Yes, you did read that correctly - Reader's Digest. Have we had one of those before?! In the October issue, there's an interview with Ashley Judd, particularly concerning her performance in De-Lovely. When asked the question, "Did you sing as a child?", she said: "Oh, I loved music. Lived for it. I was really into punk rock as a kid. Then I got into mountain songs and Appalachian music when I was in my late teens. I listened to Joni Mitchell my whole life, knew the lyrics to every song on Blue and Court and Spark by the time I was in the second grade." Hell - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:26:37 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Find Your Own Joni Magical Spell:) Mine is: Diving down to pick up on every shiny thing Hey, this is fun. At 12:07 AM 10/6/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Anyway, on my first day at the Yeshiva, one of the first things the Rabbi >did, was to ask me to find a sentence from the Bible that starts with the >first letter of my private name and ends with the last letter of my family >name. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:51:14 EDT From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: Inide this Administration! I didn't add the NJC because it does involve Joni that is why she released "The Beginning of Survival" because she and all of us should be aware of what we are being led into. My friend Nick is very reliable and not only does he work for the LA Times but he teaches Theology classes at UCLA. Oh these troubled times! Peace to all my dear JMDL friends, Mingus David I was just talking to one of our senior editors who was privy to a conversation the editorial board had with some former Mideast ambassador and still a big muckity-muck in Washington and he says that the talk in DC right now is about the Administration's plans to move on Iran after the election.... Why not? We've done so well in Iraq! Stay tuned! Armageddon can't be far behind! Nick Nick Cuccia Design Editor | Los Angeles Times ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:26:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: What's Killing Paz - (Joni's not here) Michael Paz wrote: "STOP! Yer killing me!" Paz I'm telling you, Dear Michael, Smurf has quited the wrong thing - he's humour is deadlier than smoking! Nuri > Nuriel writes: > > << p.s. Smurf, what is this? Every time i read those Gov. remarks i laugh so > hard i can hardly smoke.:) >> > > > It's my secret plan to save my favorite listers from the ravages of tobacco. > > --Smurf, who's coming up on TEN MONTHS of not smoking on Friday ... speaking > of which ... QUEEN LULU! I have an old email addy for you. Please write with a > new one (or someone please tell me). > > > "Men! You can't live with 'em and you can't put 'em on the state payroll and > expect to be able to diddle with them and have the people pay for it." > > --Gov. Jim McGreevey Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:56:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: No Joni Lyric For Madonna Yes, i know we all don't care much for her, but i found this Madonna lyric to be quite interesting Joni-wise. It's the chorus of the song "Drowned world" from the album "Ray of Light". Notice the lyrics that follow the word "no" - don't they remind of you "someone else's" lyrics, and could it be that Madonna was settling scores with Joni? "No ferris wheel, no heart to steal No laughter in the dark No one-night stand, no far-off land No fire that I can spark" (No jmdl member's going to reply to this one:)) Nuri vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 06:41:00 -0700 From: "Brian Hernandez" Subject: Another Joni tribute... Here's an article that was in yesterday's Vancouver Sun... Joining Joni's River Shawn Conner October 5, 2004 As a writer, Joni Mitchell has been responsible for some of the most vivid, lasting and impressionistic pop songs of the last 30 years. Consider a catalogue that includes "Both Sides Now," "Help Me" and "Free Man in Paris." So it's only natural that some canny theatre type would eventually bring the Saskatchewan-raised songwriter's vision to the stage. Originally performed in Winnipeg at the Prairie Theatre Exchange in 2002, Joni Mitchell: River (at the Vancouver Playhouse Oct. 9-30) is a theatrical presentation of a number of Mitchell compositions. Accompanied by a four-piece band, three vocalists take turns on songs tracing the arc of love, from the giddy first moments to the ensuing power struggles to the insight that follows. For Rebecca Shoichet, one of the principal singers, the production has been an introduction to the many facets of Mitchell's talent. "I was slightly familiar with [the 1971 Mitchell album] Blue, but I grew up in a generation that wasn't saturated with her," says the 29-year-old while one of her bands, Soulstream, soundchecks at a Yaletown nightclub. "She's an incredible songwriter and I knew that already, but you don't often get a chance to do an intense study of a specific songwriter, and as a writer myself it's been a huge learning experience. She's so prolific it's amazing." As a member of the 10-piece Soulstream, a cover-band-for-hire, the Ottawa-born, Victoria-raised performer belts out Michael Jackson and Chaka Khan hits, while as front woman for original act Mimosa, she sings a blend of bossa nova, jazz and pop. Shoichet also does voices for anime and, when time permits, gives teaching lessons. But when her piano teacher told her about River, she couldn't resist auditioning. John Mann, of Vancouver folk act Spirit of the West, and Loretta Bailey, a performer from Toronto, were the other two successful applicants. "I hadn't met them before, so there was some of that first-day-of-school kind of nervousness on the first day of rehearsals," says Shoichet. Now, the bubbly, diminutive singer has nothing but nice things to say about the two "incredible" co-stars who take solo turns on some songs and join in on others. "Generally, I'm singing in between the two of them, harmony-wise," says Shoichet. "We blend really well for the three-part stuff. But we're also three individuals as characters in the show." Shoichet makes it clear that, despite how it might seem, Joni Mitchell: River -- directed by its creator, Allen MacInnis -- is not about a love triangle. "It's more like there are these three people sharing their own experiences with each other and with the audience," she says. "We're not connected. We have individual relationships we're talking about." Nor does River trace the journey of a talented Canadian from Saskatoon-raised small-town girl to internationally respected songwriter and musician. That production will have to wait. "It's about the music," says Shoichet. "You really get to listen. This is going to be a listener's dream, just to hear transitions from song to song. The flow of one song into another is poetic. It's kind of like a river, which is the idea." [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:20:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Dylan's autobiography I hear the Dylan's autobiography (part 1) is about to (or already has) see the light of day any day now. Did anyone had the chance to get an early copy? Can't wait to read what he's going to write about Joni...any guesses?:) Nuri vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:43:52 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Dylan's autobiography > I hear the Dylan's autobiography (part 1) is about to (or > already has) see the light of day any day now. > Did anyone had the chance to get an early copy? Can't wait to > read what he's going to write about Joni...any guesses?:) I just picked it up a few days ago. I must say that I am very pleasantly surprised with it so far. I had pretty low hopes for it as I wasn't sure if Dylan was the best to write his own story. But what I've read has been exactly what I always hoped he talk about but never thought he would. Particularly interesting is the part about living in Woodstock and being mercilessly stalked by crazed fans. Riveting stuff - if you are a Dylan fan, that is. Les NP: Leo Kottke - "Great Big Boy" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:07:42 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: RE: Dylan's autobiography fwiw, Nuriel, I did a quick scan of the book and didnt notice a lot of Joni...perhaps Les can fill us in , once he's finished... Mags Les Irvin wrote: > I hear the Dylan's autobiography (part 1) is about to (or > already has) see the light of day any day now. > Did anyone had the chance to get an early copy? Can't wait to > read what he's going to write about Joni...any guesses?:) I just picked it up a few days ago. I must say that I am very pleasantly surprised with it so far. I had pretty low hopes for it as I wasn't sure if Dylan was the best to write his own story. But what I've read has been exactly what I always hoped he talk about but never thought he would. Particularly interesting is the part about living in Woodstock and being mercilessly stalked by crazed fans. Riveting stuff - if you are a Dylan fan, that is. Les NP: Leo Kottke - "Great Big Boy" let us just be side by side, helping, respecting and understanding each other, in common effort to serve humankind. ~Dalai Lama~ vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 19:29:29 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Joni Angels Nuriel wrote: So, if you wish to find your own magical spell, just think of a Joni lyric that starts with the first letter of your private name and ends with the last letter of your family name - and whenever you feel a bit uncertain, a bit afraid, or if you simply need some good luck, all you have to do is say it 5 times, and your own angel will be there to help you.:) - ------- This is fun. Thanks, Nuriel! My Joni Angel (like Johnny Angel, remember your heartthrob, Smurf??) is: "Proud headed Queen Lizzie" -- I like that one. Makes me feel related to Queen Lulu! or "Papa's faith is in people." That one is nice, too. And you know....... Oh, the infinite joys and lessons of the jmdl! Always something new. We are blessed here for sure. Peace, Proud headed Queen Lizzie Patti _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 21:56:34 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Find Your Own Joni Magical Spell:) Deb Messling schrieb: > Mine is: > Diving down to pick up on every shiny thing Mine is: Miss Fortune with a rose on her big game gun moni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:15:09 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Angels Patti writes: << "Proud headed Queen Lizzie" -- I like that one. Makes me feel related to Queen Lulu! >> And did you know that line refers to the Canadian penny? I learned that by paying attention during the "Electricity" discussions. I think it was Catherine the Comedian who buzzed in with that answer. - --Smurf "I'm a little bit country and a tad disco." - --Gov. Jim McGreevey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:37:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Find Your Own Joni Magical Spell:) --- Moni Kellermann wrote: > Deb Messling schrieb: > > Mine is: > > Diving down to pick up on every shiny thing > > Mine is: > Miss Fortune with a rose on her big game gun > Jaysus! Up until this time, I thought it was, "Miss Fortune with a rose on her baking gun." Yeah, I know it doesn't make sense, but for some reason, it did to me (I may have been thinking of "smoking gun." ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 19:56:06 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: My Secret Place **One thing i never undrestood, regarding this song, is the lyric "I was born and raised in N.Y city". Could anyone wiser then myself please explain? Well, my intellectually insightful interpretation of this line is that the character in the song is saying that she "was born and raised in New York City". Hope that helps. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "Button My Lip" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:04:39 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Dylan's autobiography **fwiw, Nuriel, I did a quick scan of the book and didnt notice a lot of Joni...perhaps Les can fill us in , once he's finished... Also fwiw, this is just Volume 1, am I right? So there should be more volumes coming, perhaps more Joni mentions...but I'll bet ol' Bobby won't make it to Volume 57! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:01:04 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Dylan's autobiography I'm enjoying it as well. In fact, I've been trying to solve internet problems for a couple of hours, but now I'm just gonna kick back with Bob. I particularly love the way he describes his haphazard reading. He's a true autodidact--and not half bad as a writer. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of mags h Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 3:08 PM To: Les Irvin; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Dylan's autobiography fwiw, Nuriel, I did a quick scan of the book and didnt notice a lot of Joni...perhaps Les can fill us in , once he's finished... Mags Les Irvin wrote: > I hear the Dylan's autobiography (part 1) is about to (or > already has) see the light of day any day now. > Did anyone had the chance to get an early copy? Can't wait to > read what he's going to write about Joni...any guesses?:) I just picked it up a few days ago. I must say that I am very pleasantly surprised with it so far. I had pretty low hopes for it as I wasn't sure if Dylan was the best to write his own story. But what I've read has been exactly what I always hoped he talk about but never thought he would. Particularly interesting is the part about living in Woodstock and being mercilessly stalked by crazed fans. Riveting stuff - if you are a Dylan fan, that is. Les NP: Leo Kottke - "Great Big Boy" let us just be side by side, helping, respecting and understanding each other, in common effort to serve humankind. ~Dalai Lama~ vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 23:25:40 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: What's Killing Paz - (Joni's not here) Hi Nuri Smoking??? Smoking?? Smoking you say? I have seen him smoke and have smoked with him (albiet not in any corner except possibly the corner of the balcony of the performance space at Jonifest {Full Moon style}) but I digress.. As usual. Paz (puff puff) > Michael Paz wrote: > "STOP! Yer killing me!" > > Paz > > I'm telling you, Dear Michael, Smurf has quited the wrong thing - he's humour > is deadlier than smoking! > > Nuri > >> Nuriel writes: >> >> << p.s. Smurf, what is this? Every time i read those Gov. remarks i laugh so >> hard i can hardly smoke.:) >> >> >> >> It's my secret plan to save my favorite listers from the ravages of tobacco. >> >> --Smurf, who's coming up on TEN MONTHS of not smoking on Friday ... speaking >> of which ... QUEEN LULU! I have an old email addy for you. Please write with >> a >> new one (or someone please tell me). >> >> >> "Men! You can't live with 'em and you can't put 'em on the state payroll and >> expect to be able to diddle with them and have the people pay for it." >> >> --Gov. Jim McGreevey > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:44:50 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: Find Your Own Joni Magical Spell:) Catherine wrote: > Jaysus! > > Up until this time, I thought it was, > "Miss Fortune with a rose on her baking gun." > Yeah, I know it doesn't make sense, but for some > reason, it did to me (I may have been thinking of > "smoking gun." For a long time I thought it was "Miss Fortune with a big tin drum".... But then I also thought that the line from BYT, "With a pink hotel, a boutique and a swinging hot spot" was either "With a pink hotel, a boutique and a swinging heart's bar" or possibly "swinging heart's spa". I don't know what a swinging heart's bar or spa might be, but they sound interesting ;o)! Hell ____________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 02:02:13 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: October 8 On October 8 the following articles were published: 1998: "Balm From a Musical Touchstone" - Atlanta Journal and Constitution (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=39 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - Hartford Courant (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=121 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 19:08:36 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Chaka Khan's son arrested for murder (Joni mention) I don't know if anyone posted this, but all charges against Damien were dropped shortly after. Wrong place at the wrong time. On Tuesday, September 28, 2004, at 06:43 PM, Les Irvin wrote: > Damien Patrick Holland, 25 years old, Chaka Khan's son, has been > arrested > for murder. The shooting of a man (17 years old) not yet recognized > with a > gun took place last friday in a apartment of South Los Angeles > (California). > The man died at the hospital after he was transported to. It was > "Celebrity > Justice" TV program that revealed the word of the arrest. > Chaka Khan, his mother has been divorced since several years from > Damien > Patrick Holland. > > Chaka Khan began her solo career in the late 1970s with the hit, "I'm > Every > Woman," a tune written especially for her by the legendary songwriting > team > of Nick Ashford and Valerie Simpson. Since then, Chaka has recorded > nine > albums and been honored with five Grammy Awards. Her solo hits include > "What > Cha Gonna Do For Me?" "Clouds," "Papillion," "I Feel For You," and > "Through > the Fire." Working with the best of the best in the music world has > been a > rewarding experience for Chaka over the years. > > It all started when Stevie Wonder wrote "Tell Me Something Good." Since > then, she has worked with some of the biggest and most outstanding > music > talents in the business - her dear friend Joni Mitchell, world-class > producer Quincy Jones and R&B icon Gladys Knight, for example. > > http://noted.blogs.com/westcoastmusic/2004/09/damien_patrick_.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:29:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: My Secret Place Oh, another "character" song....Ya think? Cause i've always found this song to be a very personal song. It all fits with Joni but for this New York City thing. I still think she wrote it about herself and that the "I was born and raised in New York City" lyric stands for something (In her past, maybe? Maybe more of a spiritual birth?) that i haven't figured out yet. But in case i'm wrong - who is the character in the song? Nuri (who likes it so much when being answered to as if he were a moron:)) SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: **One thing i never undrestood, regarding this song, is the lyric "I was born and raised in N.Y city". Could anyone wiser then myself please explain? Well, my intellectually insightful interpretation of this line is that the character in the song is saying that she "was born and raised in New York City". Hope that helps. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "Button My Lip" vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:52:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: What's Killing Paz - (Joni's not here) You mean that Smurf is lecturing moi about the ravages of tobacco and about being a non-smoker for 10 months, while all this time he's puffing?! This is way too much for me - I need a cigarette! Nuriel (I smoke menthol cigarettes. You know, like pregnant women do::) Michael Paz wrote: Hi Nuri Smoking??? Smoking?? Smoking you say? I have seen him smoke and have smoked with him (albiet not in any corner except possibly the corner of the balcony of the performance space at Jonifest {Full Moon style}) but I digress.. As usual. Paz (puff puff) > Michael Paz wrote: > "STOP! Yer killing me!" > > Paz > > I'm telling you, Dear Michael, Smurf has quited the wrong thing - he's humour > is deadlier than smoking! > > Nuri > >> Nuriel writes: >> >> << p.s. Smurf, what is this? Every time i read those Gov. remarks i laugh so >> hard i can hardly smoke.:) >> >> >> >> It's my secret plan to save my favorite listers from the ravages of tobacco. >> >> --Smurf, who's coming up on TEN MONTHS of not smoking on Friday ... speaking >> of which ... QUEEN LULU! I have an old email addy for you. Please write with >> a >> new one (or someone please tell me). >> >> >> "Men! You can't live with 'em and you can't put 'em on the state payroll and >> expect to be able to diddle with them and have the people pay for it." >> >> --Gov. Jim McGreevey > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #287 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)