From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #271 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, September 22 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 271 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Parigi Caro- Krall et al (sjc) [Gordon Mackie ] Re: Overwrought Amelia?/ Now ML [Em ] Lulu & John Guerin ["willytheshake100" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #270 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: Ani Joni article and other musings, drivel, etc ["Ron" ] Re: Stereophile Magazine [Em ] Re: Ani Joni article and other musings, drivel, etc [Catherine McKay ] Ann~Marie MacDonald SJC [mags h ] Jaco Pastorious (tangential Joni content) ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:17:04 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Parigi Caro- Krall et al (sjc) Listers Saw Diana Krall on Saturday in Paris. I knew things were going well when they were playing Joni on the PA. Diana herself payed tribute to JM before singing her version of Black Crow. Fab. Then at the end they played Joni again on the PA (Free Man in Paris...how apt!) Great concert. Thanks to all the listers who forwarded Laurent's email address. Thanks to Laurent and his wonderful family for looking after four tired people, feeding us, making us drink champagne, showing us his guitar collection (I dont think I have ever seen 100 guitars in the one place, even in a music store) and then acting as tour guide. Oh, and the Joni outfit which Laurent bought in LA. I really dont think it suited you Laurent...lol. What wonderful people inhabit this cyber -space. Will try not to lurk too much Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 08:27:48 -0500 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: Overwrought Amelia? My favorite version/ recording of Amelia is from her Shadows and Light tour recording. T'log's is also a touching, bittersweet rendition. I second that emotion of her voice sounding good on that cut. After giving T'log a listen for the first time in almost 2 years, I still found only that only half the songs moved me. Now I could go on about other songs. I hated Magdelene Launderies when I first heard it, UNTIL,I got the bootleg CD of Much Music Live & Interactive (aka Just Ice). I cried outloud. The same with Facelift from the same show. I can't stand the album version. Man from Mars- GOMH version rocks. Not so with TTT's version -over produced. Sometimes you need to leave some paint in the can, Joan! (grin) Steve >>> Mike Friedman 09/20/04 10:40PM >>> I'm with the lovers of the original....it's one of my favorite (if not my favorite) Mitchell song, and the simplicity and more melodic singing in the original move me more than this version, although it is one of the best tracks on Travelogue. I'm quite amused, as an aside, that iTunes (and therefore the CDDB database) calls the original Amelia on Hejira "Rock," the Shadows and Light version is "Folk" and the TL version is "Easy Listening." Mitchell? Easy Listening!???? BAH! Mike On Sep 20, 2004, at 6:35 PM, Lori Fye wrote: > Bryan wrote: > >> Hmmmm...I'm no big fan of T'log but its version of Amelia is gorgeous >> and >> gut-wrenching. Moves me to tears. And unlike much of the album, the >> voice is >> in pretty good condition there. > > Bryan, I have to agree with your assessment of this version of Amelia. > While I > prefer the original, the T'Log version is gorgeous. In fact, it's > that song in > particular that my partner Mary likes most -- and she is not a fan of > Hejira > (the album) at all and so does not *know* the original Amelia like I > do. In > telling me how much she likes the song, Mary referred to the T'Log > version as > "Travelogue." When I told her that the name of the song is actually > Amelia, > she said, "Well, it may be, but it's obviously what Joni considered to > be the > 'title track' for this album." > > All that aside, I do love the T'Log version of Amelia. > > Lori > > ======================================== "I was not always a bag lady, you know. I used to be a creative consultant. For big companies! Who do you think thought up the color scheme for Howard Johnson's? At the time, no one was using orange and aqua in the same room together. With fried clams." - --Trudy (Lily Tomlin) from "The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe" Mike Friedman San Francisco, CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 06:48:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Overwrought Amelia?/ Now ML - --- Steven Polifka wrote: > Now I could go on about other songs. I hated Magdelene Launderies > when I first heard it, UNTIL,I got the bootleg CD of Much Music Live > & > Interactive (aka Just Ice). I cried outloud. Funny you mention crying outloud with regard to Magdalene Laundries. I actually READ the words before I heard the song (on TI, only version I've heard). And in the reading, it also teared me up. Quite unprecedented. Then I heard the cut and I had gotten over the tears..but for some reason, just reading the lyrics...booom. Water. Weird huh? Em ps and it was a strange place to "cry" cuz I was out on my driveway shoveling 6 yards of dirt I'd had brought in. Had the CD player out there w/me. Read those lyrics prior to sticking the CD in. If anyone saw me they'd probably think I was weeping over having to shovel so much dirt. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:29:20 +0100 From: "willytheshake100" Subject: Lulu & John Guerin Listen to Lulu enthusing about Joni and the John Guerin anecdote. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/lulu/playlist.shtml WtS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:56:12 -0400 From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #270 I just started Karen O'Brien's biography of Joni. What's been the buzz amongst JMDLers about the book? Does anyone know what Joni thought of it? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:02:10 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: Ani Joni article and other musings, drivel, etc hi >>>em wrote >>>> Was also thinking about mainstream pop - that maybe the industry tries to train the listening public, to like sort of 2nd rate stuff. Because its easier to find and perhaps maintain a steady stream of the 2nd rate. The sort of stuff generated by American Idol. As opposed to truly great stuff like Laura Love and I think, Ani, and others. i was also thinking about this recently. quite often i get people, (esp at the office when im working late,) coming to me & asking what music im playing. people whove been really taken by patty larkin, tony rice, ani, pentangle, russ barenburg & others. i really have to wonder & suspect that these artists would be way more popular, if only they were exposed more to the public. perhaps the music biz is actually killing itself by underestimating the taste of the public, & there may just be an opportunity out there for a cutting edge type radio station & an alternate music biz??? ron np - annie herring - stairway to heaven (no - not *that* one!!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 16:34:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Stereophile Magazine An article in the new Stereophile has an article on the List of Lists. The ten pop songs most likely to be heard during a person's first day in Hell. The ten most critically over-rated pop albums of all time. The ten greatest obscure pop albums of all time. And number 5 on the Twelve huge pop albums that everybody - critics, record buyers, radio programmers - got right: Joni Mitchell: Ladies of the Canyon Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 13:47:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Stereophile Magazine wow Jerry that sounds like a fun article! Unless of course you disagree with everything they say! lol, and even then. Bless their hearts for mentioning LOC - I always loved that one pretty much best. Prior to hearing Blue and Hejira tho. Now its a toss up. Em :) - --- "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: > An article in the new Stereophile has an article on the List of > Lists. > > The ten pop songs most likely to be heard during a person's first day > in > Hell. > > The ten most critically over-rated pop albums of all time. > > The ten greatest obscure pop albums of all time. > > And number 5 on the Twelve huge pop albums that everybody - critics, > record buyers, radio programmers - got right: > Joni Mitchell: Ladies of the Canyon > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 22:38:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Ani Joni article and other musings, drivel, etc --- Ron wrote: > perhaps the music biz > is actually killing itself by underestimating the > taste of the public, & > there may just be an opportunity out there for a > cutting edge type radio > station & an alternate music biz??? > This is my fondest hope. Do you think the music biz in the late 50s/early-mid 60s was similar to today's, in that it was all formulaic, "safe" stuff about moons and Junes, no colour, no contrast? That's what I think, but I don't know for sure - I do remember radio sounding pretty bland and elevatorish when I was a kid. And then there was a revolution of sorts, with the emergence of protest singers and singer/ songwriters and FM radio in the 60s and 70s, and the businessmen got into it and made stars of these people, making lots of money at it, taming and upper-middle-classifying the artists, and the music became watered down and formulized again, the difference being that back in the 50s, it was all about "romance" and now it's all about sex (same thing, innit?) It's all about making bucks, keeping the lower and middle classes in their place and dumbing things down. I think the internet is today's FM radio and the indy artists is where you will find any signs of intelligent life in this place. Let's be grateful for the righteous babes of the world. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 07:10:49 -0500 From: Subject: RE: Anyone Dreaming? [NOTE: I tried to send this through yesterday morning, but apparently, it didn't want to budge! But then again, we were having server problems. Sorry if you all get two copies!] Scott wrote: "The saddest thing is that Joni is still "on hiatus from songwriting and recording." She is quoted in the liner notes as saying, "I started writing when I lost my daughter, and I stopped whne she came back." Let's hope that the muse comes back, and Joni begins writing and recording again." Scott, I've got to say: what Joni said works for me. And it makes perfect sense. Just "guesses at most," but I think that few of us can begin to understand just how traumatic the relinquishment of Kilauren was for Joni. It rocked her world, and not in a good sense; she wrote and sang, I'm convinced, in order to survive, deal with the pain, and interpret the world so that *something* made sense. Now, thank heavens, she no longer feels compelled to cope with her life in that way. She didn't stop recording before giving us one of the most memorable catalogues compiled by any popular musical artist in the the past 50 years, and I thank her for that. So, if you're "retired," Joni--enjoy the ride. And paint up a storm!! From a grateful fan, Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 20:04:25 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: Ann~Marie MacDonald SJC Some of you may recall that Ann~Marie MacDonald was a part of the Hommage honouring Joni Mitchell in the fall of 2001 in Toronto, Ontario. Ms MacDonald is a well known actor, as well as a part of the CBC landscape here in Canada. Again, if Ms MacDonald's name is ringing a familiar bell, you may recall that she was the host of the LIfe and Times of Joni Mitchell, the Canadian version. I attended a reading by Ann~Marie this evening in Winnipeg, Manitoba, and it was every bit as mesmerizing as her performance in Toronto. She held us all captive as she read/acted/sang various parts of her most recent book, The Way the Crow Flies, now out in trade paper format. She 'spoke' for an hour, easily, and then offered a question and answer time; and graciously held court at an autographing session afterward. It was an honour to meet her and have my two books autographed. As I spoke with her briefly about her performance at the Hommage; it became evident rather quickly that Ann~Marie is also a huge fan of Joni. The Way the Crow Flies, will take you on journeys that will ring well and true, resonating tones of the familiar, especially if you are around 'our' age. ;-) Clearly, Ann~Marie MacDonald is very much a part of this our grand Canadian landscape. Mags npimh: Ann~Marie's spoken performance of Magdalene Laundries in Toronto. let us just be side by side, helping, respecting and understanding each other, in common effort to serve humankind. ~Dalai Lama~ New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:55:45 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Jaco Pastorious (tangential Joni content) >In my opinion, the below article (which was published 17 years ago today) definitely deserves a read. It's a fascinating and heartbreaking look at the sad decline of Jaco Pastorious, one of the great musical geniuses of our time. "Dark Days For A Jazz Genius" by Tom Moon Miami Herald - September 20, 1987 http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=924 thanks les, jaco's story always affects me big time... I loved the part where he jammed on blackbird & beatles... he was an absolutely amazing artist... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 02:06:05 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: September 22 On September 22 the following articles were published: 1987: "Jazz musician Jaco Pastorius dies" - United Press International (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1094 1990: "200,000 Rock in Berlin's 'death strip'" - Toronto Star (Review - Appearance) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1111 1994: "It's time to pay that debt to Joni Mitchell" - San Diego Union-Tribune (Biography, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=320 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:10:25 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: RE: Anyone Dreaming? Never would I assume to know exactly what it was like for Joni to give up her baby girl for adoption, believing that in 1965, she had no earthly choice other than to do so. She was, no doubt, convinced by the sisters that it was all she could do. Jezebel that she was. Ten years after, I think Ive got a clue, perhaps. Im glad that Joni is taking it easy now as far as the writing goes. I am happy for what she has given us, and if she needs to take this time to be, to be with her grand babies, and her newly discovered daughter, then more power to her. Time to accept that she may never give us anything "new" or original. And she's given us so much. She's written life lines. She's woven in and out of our common threads. And in the end, does it really matter if she's not offering nything new under the sun. Perhaps she has agreed to resubmit her already recorded works from days gone by, and perhaps "we" are not the intended recipients, as we are already deeply embedded in all things Joni. And isnt that enough?. Take a good look at the jewels that reside in the centre of your life, now. as always, Mags np: Beth Orton, Central Reservation mille gracias *there are none so blind as those who will not see* let us just be side by side, helping, respecting and understanding each other, in common effort to serve humankind. ~Dalai Lama~ Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #271 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)