From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #270 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, September 21 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 270 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Ani Joni article and other musings, drivel, etc [Em ] Re: Ani Joni article and other musings, drivel, etc [Jerry Notaro ] dreamland [colin ] Re: L'shana tovah (no Joni content) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Aburd Extremes? [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: dreamland [mags h ] Overwrought Amelia? [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: Overwrought Amelia? ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] Re: Absurd Extremes? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni pictures ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Absurd Extremes? [Em ] Re: Joni's writing [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Absurd Extremes & Dancin Clowns. [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: Overwrought Amelia? [Lori Fye ] Re: Absurd Extremes & Dancin Clowns. [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Overwrought Amelia? [Mike Friedman ] Re: Overwrought Amelia? [Mike Friedman ] Re: Anyone Dreaming? ["Kate Bennett" ] Today's Library Links: September 21 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 04:43:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Ani Joni article and other musings, drivel, etc - --- ljirvin@jmdl.com wrote: > On September 20 the following articles were published:> 1998: "Ani DiFranco Chats With the Iconic Joni Mitchell" - Los > Angeles Times > (Interview) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=150 Wow, just wanted to say, this Ani DeFranco interview of Joni (semi-interview?) was really a fascinating piece. Was happy to read it this morning after hearing Ani on the radio in the car (community radio of course) on my way to work. I'm only very marginally familiar with Ani Defranco. I kind of musically "sat out" the 90's, letting myself be drawn away from something I love by my domestic relationship. Anyway, its time to listen to music again! And I'm realizing what a lovely backlog of people I have to look forward to getting to know! Like the recent blessing of being turned on to Laura Love. I can't remember the last time I bought an album and listened to it 5 times a day. Closest would be when you guys got me on "Hejira"..lol. So.....would anybody like to recommend and Ani DeFranco album for me to buy? I have none and I know none. Am happy thinking I already have another Laura Love one on the way. Sheesh, I love Love so much I think from now on I'm gonna buy her CD's "new" - just to be sure she gets a royalty from my purchase. Never much had that "urge" before. Was also thinking about mainstream pop - that maybe the industry tries to train the listening public, to like sort of 2nd rate stuff. Because its easier to find and perhaps maintain a steady stream of the 2nd rate. The sort of stuff generated by American Idol. As opposed to truly great stuff like Laura Love and I think, Ani, and others. Probably, alot of the pop crop, for example, don't make a fuss about the production of their records. And are not a pain in the ass about it. Not like a Joni, or a Laura Love, who are right IN there with the crafting of the *whole* work. Anyway, unfortunately this article made me really think of Joni in a way that leaves me thinking she is in the past, as far as being a stream of music. Ah well, she sure did enough. A mighty mighty river that ran dry. Better than a muddy trickle that goes on forever, no? Em "its alright Ma, its life and life only". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 08:00:35 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Ani Joni article and other musings, drivel, etc > --- ljirvin@jmdl.com wrote: > >> On September 20 the following articles were published:> 1998: "Ani > DiFranco Chats With the Iconic Joni Mitchell" - Los >> Angeles Times >> (Interview) >> http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=150 > > Wow, just wanted to say, this Ani DeFranco interview of Joni > (semi-interview?) was really a fascinating piece. > Was happy to read it this morning after hearing Ani on the radio in the > car (community radio of course) on my way to work. > I'm only very marginally familiar with Ani Defranco. You know she played right here in Tampa Saturday night? So glad you picked up on this interview, Em. It caused quite a stir on the list when it was originally posted. Ani is one hot bi babe! And from my very own home town of Buffalo. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:58:51 EDT From: Michaelpaz@aol.com Subject: Dreamland and More I bought Dreamland at Tower on friday along with the new Crosby/Nash album and the new Patty Griffin album. I have to say I really like the sequence of the album and have enjoyed listening to it this morning. The artwork once again is really beautiful. I wish I could get my hands on some of these prints for my collection. The mastering of this album makes alot of differnce in the sound of the songs. It almost makes Dancing Clown sound good. Hi Bob! The new Crosby/Nash album is really good for me as well. There are only a couple of songs that don't reach me. As always I like Graham's songs more than Croz's. His voice is so beautiful. James Raymonds writing is getting really good as well and of course Pevar is a monster guitar player. I had heard that the Patty album was not so hot but I really love this womans writing and especially her voice. Thanks to a kind lister I received a copy of her Silver Bell album that was never released and I am crazy about that one cause it is so different than anything else I have by her. Best Paz NP-Patty Griffin Silver Bell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 11:02:44 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Jaco Pastorious (tangential Joni content) Joniphiles - In my opinion, the below article (which was published 17 years ago today) definitely deserves a read. It's a fascinating and heartbreaking look at the sad decline of Jaco Pastorious, one of the great musical geniuses of our time. "Dark Days For A Jazz Genius" by Tom Moon Miami Herald - September 20, 1987 http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=924 Les NP: Pierre Bensusan "The Return from Fingal" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:35:23 +0100 From: colin Subject: dreamland I have not been following the list so it came as a nice surprise to see a new Joni album, Dreamland, advertised on tv. A collection I know. Lots of song snatches and pics. Recently they did the same for Carly's Reflections. I believe this year is the very first time I have seen ads for my two favoruite singers' work. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:04:01 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: L'shana tovah (no Joni content) Hi Brian and thank you! I actually looked up Rosh Hashanah to find out what it is all about because I have some very dear coworkers who celebrate it and I can honestly tell you I know! Thank you, thank you for such a wonderfu thought and prayer for me and the rest of the JMDL'ers! Love, Sherelle Brian wrote: To all the members of our extended Joni-family, I'd like to wish you all a Happy and Healthy New Year. May our sins be forgiven and let us all strive for peace and understanding in this troubled world we share. G-d bless us all. respectfully, Brian ===== Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got till it's gone --Roberta Joan Anderson, who never lies _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:42 +0100 (BST) From: steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle Tedder) Subject: Re:DED,Wogan and Morals Yesterday I wrote: "but thought I'd write on this Sunday evening whilst I wait for my nut roast to cook." Whilst I have been contacted off list by those vaguely interested in my (fascinating) tale of Larry Klein, Joni and the Wogan show, the majority of interest seems to have been our Sunday nut roast. It was, in fact, a pine nut roast with lemon and parsley stuffing and was delicious,thank you. I am now considering a NRDL (Nut Roast Discussion List) if anyone's interested.Whatever makes you Mm Mmm mmm Anita NP - Joni, Shiny Toys ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:10:17 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: EC on TV, plus JC Speaking of Elvis Costello, this week he's on: Tues-David Letterman Wed-Regis & Kelly Fri-Conan O'Brien Those who recieve the Ovation network can catch the excellent concert video "Joni Mitchell-Painting With Words and Music" Sunday at 1PM, 10PM, and 2AM (Mon) All times EST ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:19:11 -0400 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Aburd Extremes? Taking anthologies to absurd extremes By Tom Moon Inquirer Music Critic That article -- about Joni's many anthologies -- is syndicated and showing up on dozens of web sites and publications now. In this case, I agree with the old adage "any publicity is good publicity." A big copy of the cover image accompanies the article on many web sites. Anyhow, I bought Dreamland yesterday. It was in a special, big, gawdy rack at the front of the store, under a banner reading "As Seen on TV!" I'm not kidding. If Dancin Clown is so horrible, why am I singing it all day today? It's a happy little number. Love the artwork - shades of brown, gold, cream. Amelia indeed is the T'log version and Circle Game is the original version. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:15:37 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: Re: dreamland colin wrote: I have not been following the list so it came as a nice surprise to see a new Joni album, Dreamland, advertised on tv. A collection I know. Lots of song snatches and pics. Recently they did the same for Carly's Reflections. I believe this year is the very first time I have seen ads for my two favoruite singers' work. Well Colin dear, apparently some of the listers are not impressed with Dreamland as it is a repeat of things they already have. Im not sure how I feel about it. Ive heard the paintings are quite wonderful...and I doint know if the recordings are the same, or if they have been altered digitally or whatever....if you know what I mean, as in, cleaned up? Im happy to see so much dust flying about Joni anyway. love, Mags let us just be side by side, helping, respecting and understanding each other, in common effort to serve humankind. ~Dalai Lama~ Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:22:56 -0400 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Overwrought Amelia? From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Anyone Dreaming? >Yes, it is the overwrought, not the beautiful Amelia on >Dreamland. Also the overwrought enervated version of "For >the Roses." Hmmmm...I'm no big fan of T'log but its version of Amelia is gorgeous and gut-wrenching. Moves me to tears. And unlike much of the album, the voice is in pretty good condition there. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 18:28:43 -0400 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: Overwrought Amelia? Sorry, I'm more moved by the Hejira version--& after all it's about "the strings of my guitar, not a huge string section. Quoting BRYAN8847@aol.com: > From: "Richard Flynn" > Subject: RE: Anyone Dreaming? > > >Yes, it is the overwrought, not the beautiful Amelia on >Dreamland. > Also the overwrought enervated version of "For >the Roses." > > Hmmmm...I'm no big fan of T'log but its version of Amelia is gorgeous > and gut-wrenching. Moves me to tears. And unlike much of the album, > the voice is in pretty good condition there. > Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:10:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Overwrought Amelia? It was the hexagram of the whole darn universe, It was the strings of my violin, viola, cello, bass... --- "rflynn@frontiernet.net" wrote: > Sorry, > I'm more moved by the Hejira version--& after all > it's about "the > strings of my guitar, not a huge string section. > > Quoting BRYAN8847@aol.com: > > > From: "Richard Flynn" > > Subject: RE: Anyone Dreaming? > > > > >Yes, it is the overwrought, not the beautiful > Amelia on >Dreamland. > > Also the overwrought enervated version of "For > >the Roses." > > > > Hmmmm...I'm no big fan of T'log but its version of > Amelia is gorgeous > > and gut-wrenching. Moves me to tears. And unlike > much of the album, > > the voice is in pretty good condition there. > > Bryan > ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:30:03 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Absurd Extremes? **If Dancin Clown is so horrible, why am I singing it all day today? Golly, doncha just HATE it when an annoying song gets stuck in your head like that? :~) Bob NP: Joni, "Stormy Weather" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 01:30:17 +0200 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni pictures great website: www.musicpictures.com Lots of Jonis + everybody else! Enjoy Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:56:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Absurd Extremes? - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Golly, doncha just HATE it when an annoying song gets stuck in your > head > like that? :~) yeah it does sometimes suck. But then sometimes a real good one gets stuck. Like one day a few weeks ago..."Blue" got stuck in my head..and I had a really fascinating day and I got goose bumps several times. :) Em ps only thing is I'd try to sing it and couldn't. LOL, sad. That whole album ain't easy to sing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:09:54 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's writing Scott wrote: She is quoted in the liner notes as saying, "I started writing when I lost my daughter, and I stopped when she came back." Hi Ya'll, WOW. This is really incredible. What a picture it puts in my mind... There is something salvific about it, a duality. I'll be pondering this one for a long time. I have always felt a sense of being "mothered" by Joni's music and songs. My life has been so enriched by her gift... the gift of herself, her emotions and thoughts, her best. This list is an offspring of that. I have so much gratitude. To think that something so difficult as being parted from one's daughter and the unknowns that go with that resulted in such good for so many... salvific. And now, Joni could just fade away into her private life, but she keeps giving and hasn't forgotten people like us who benefit from her sharing. Whatever she says, in whatever form it comes, it is important to me. Lots to think about... Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:20:58 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: Absurd Extremes & Dancin Clowns. Very funny. I think the song is delightful, a charming little musical comedy-drama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:35:42 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Overwrought Amelia? Bryan wrote: > Hmmmm...I'm no big fan of T'log but its version of Amelia is gorgeous and > gut-wrenching. Moves me to tears. And unlike much of the album, the voice is > in pretty good condition there. Bryan, I have to agree with your assessment of this version of Amelia. While I prefer the original, the T'Log version is gorgeous. In fact, it's that song in particular that my partner Mary likes most -- and she is not a fan of Hejira (the album) at all and so does not *know* the original Amelia like I do. In telling me how much she likes the song, Mary referred to the T'Log version as "Travelogue." When I told her that the name of the song is actually Amelia, she said, "Well, it may be, but it's obviously what Joni considered to be the 'title track' for this album." All that aside, I do love the T'Log version of Amelia. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 22:13:13 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Absurd Extremes & Dancin Clowns. **Very funny. I think the song is delightful, a charming little musical comedy-drama All funning aside, I'm seriously glad that you dig it, Bryan. I obviously don't but thank God that we all think differently, makes the journey that much more fun. And ironically, right after I posted my snidely snipe, Dancin' Clown came on my Joni Jukebox, so I gave it a listen. It actually has some elements that aren't bad, it just really suffers from some dated production and some bad choices imo. Keep on groovin' with the clown and yo' bad self. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:40:35 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: Overwrought Amelia? I'm with the lovers of the original....it's one of my favorite (if not my favorite) Mitchell song, and the simplicity and more melodic singing in the original move me more than this version, although it is one of the best tracks on Travelogue. I'm quite amused, as an aside, that iTunes (and therefore the CDDB database) calls the original Amelia on Hejira "Rock," the Shadows and Light version is "Folk" and the TL version is "Easy Listening." Mitchell? Easy Listening!???? BAH! Mike On Sep 20, 2004, at 6:35 PM, Lori Fye wrote: > Bryan wrote: > >> Hmmmm...I'm no big fan of T'log but its version of Amelia is gorgeous >> and >> gut-wrenching. Moves me to tears. And unlike much of the album, the >> voice is >> in pretty good condition there. > > Bryan, I have to agree with your assessment of this version of Amelia. > While I > prefer the original, the T'Log version is gorgeous. In fact, it's > that song in > particular that my partner Mary likes most -- and she is not a fan of > Hejira > (the album) at all and so does not *know* the original Amelia like I > do. In > telling me how much she likes the song, Mary referred to the T'Log > version as > "Travelogue." When I told her that the name of the song is actually > Amelia, > she said, "Well, it may be, but it's obviously what Joni considered to > be the > 'title track' for this album." > > All that aside, I do love the T'Log version of Amelia. > > Lori > > ======================================== "I was not always a bag lady, you know. I used to be a creative consultant. For big companies! Who do you think thought up the color scheme for Howard Johnson's? At the time, no one was using orange and aqua in the same room together. With fried clams." - --Trudy (Lily Tomlin) from "The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe" Mike Friedman San Francisco, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 20:48:26 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: Overwrought Amelia? I should have also mentioned that I love the opening chords of 'Amelia,' and the best part of the TL version's arrangement is the opening where the use a clarinet (I think, it might be an oboe, I can't tell the difference unless someone points it out) for that lovely, mournful introduction. On Sep 20, 2004, at 6:35 PM, Lori Fye wrote: > Bryan wrote: > >> Hmmmm...I'm no big fan of T'log but its version of Amelia is gorgeous >> and >> gut-wrenching. Moves me to tears. And unlike much of the album, the >> voice is >> in pretty good condition there. > > Bryan, I have to agree with your assessment of this version of Amelia. > While I > prefer the original, the T'Log version is gorgeous. In fact, it's > that song in > particular that my partner Mary likes most -- and she is not a fan of > Hejira > (the album) at all and so does not *know* the original Amelia like I > do. In > telling me how much she likes the song, Mary referred to the T'Log > version as > "Travelogue." When I told her that the name of the song is actually > Amelia, > she said, "Well, it may be, but it's obviously what Joni considered to > be the > 'title track' for this album." > > All that aside, I do love the T'Log version of Amelia. > > Lori > > ========================== This is not the best of all possible worlds, in case you missed the irony in Voltaire. Mike Friedman San Francisco, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:42:57 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Anyone Dreaming? "She is quoted in the liner notes as saying, "I started writing when I lost my daughter, and I stopped whne she came back." I am so happy for joni... amen if that is how it is cuz she's given me enough music ... I want her to enjoy her time with her daughter & grandkids... life is just too short... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 02:06:43 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: September 21 On September 21 the following articles were published: 1966: "Folksongs" - Variety (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=601 1974: "By the time we got through Neasden..." - Sounds (Review - Concert, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=351 1974: "Wembley Frolics" - Disc Magazine (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=812 1987: "Renowned jazz musician comatose" - United Press International (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1093 1998: "Joni at The Old Town School of Folk Music" - Chicago Tribune (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=552 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #270 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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