From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #248 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, August 30 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 248 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Dreamland painting [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Re: k. d.'s Joni covers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] intimate joni ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: k. d.'s Joni covers [Brenda ] Re: k. d.'s Joni covers ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Dreamland painting [Randy Remote ] Re: Yet Do I Marvel [Brenda ] "Joni Mitchell Sings Joni Mitchell" (Pink Dress Video) [simon@icu.com] Re: "Joni Mitchell Sings Joni Mitchell" (Pink Dress Video) [SCJoniGuy@aol] Re: Yet Do I Marvel [vince ] Diana Krall's muse is guess who? [dsk ] Speaking of ACOY covers... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Today's Library Links: August 30 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:45:13 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Dreamland painting Hi Jonifesters and non-jonifesters I hope you are all having a wonderful time on this bank holiday weekend. (Jonifester - sounds like what you get when you've listened to too much Joni all at once ;)) I was watching the Refuge of the Roads dvd and looking at the photo diary which is wonderful and familiar (as a touring actor, those backstage photos look so familiar, especially the ones from the European leg of her tour!). I came upon a photo of her standing next to a poster of her tour in French. She's offering flowers in one hand and holding another bunch in the other. Yes, this is the EXACT photo she used for the Dreamland painting. The hands are precise and exactly like the one in the painting - just, I think, badly transposed as it's from a photo, not a slide, where you can be more accurate. It's by Joel Bernstein and a lovely photo. I'm not sure if the current theory of the hand withering stands up here. In the photo, her left hand still does look like a bunch of bananas. The dvd was a belated birthday present from my brother and it arrived from the US on Friday. Have a nice weekend Much Joni Jamie Zoob - --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 9:45:38 -0400 From: Subject: k. d.'s Joni covers Okay, I'm gonna defend k.d. lang. (This is a first!) First a few disclaimers. I don't have her new cd. I wish she hadn't put Neil Young's "After The Gold Rush" on it because it means the radio will never play the brand-new version of that song that the Cowboy Junkies put out this summer. Now on to the revised line "go with it, stay with it if you can" Here in the midwest, "go with it" is an expression unto itself. It means "roll with the punches" and "make the best of it". Both of those definitions fit Joni's original intent. kd changed to a genderless pronoun but she's not calling the object of her affections "it". "It" is the flawed but viable relationship. "It" might be a marraige. "go with it, stay with it if you can" It works for me. All the best, Lama Bob Muller said, >But it suddenly occurred to me...what if she was talking about "Cousin It" from The Addams Family? Then it all makes sense - LOL!> Bob Muller said, >>The ONLY "cop-out" choice was the one she made..."go with it, stay with it", which really means NOTHING and dilutes the power of the lyric on any level as it has only a vague non-comitting interpretation.>> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:16:28 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: k. d.'s Joni covers **"go with it, stay with it if you can" It works for me. ** But it's not "go with it, stay with it if you can", it's "go with it, stay with it (pause)" which gives you just enough time to crinkle your eyebrows and wonder what she means with the alteration. And I concur with Mark that the absolute capper of the couplet is "but be prepared to bleed" which kd includes and nails. Maybe the "it" in question is a rabid dog? And those who have it know that Joni's earliest version of ACOY was very different from what went on Blue. If you haven't heard it and would like to, lemme know and I'll send you the file. Bob NP: Kate Hammett-Vaughan Quintet, "For The Roses" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 08:28:41 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: intimate joni > It made me yearn for Joni to take a similar sojourn of smaller more intimate venues.< I agree, intimate venues are the crhme de la crhme for most musicians... the best sound & audience connection... like when they were starting out & had the small clubs but now because of their name they can get the best ones... I wonder if joni is not doing this because it is difficult for her to play & to sing like she used to- even though there are those among us who do love her voice right now, different as it is from her younger days... I think perhaps that performing has never been her favorite thing... I think she is someone who is happier with the creative process, thus painting is the process now (in the recent interview she talks about loosing herself in the process- writing on guitar or piano or dulcimer used to do that for her- remember nash's comment in who&m dvd?) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:06:17 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: k. d.'s Joni covers On Saturday, August 28, 2004, at 06:39 PM, Kate Bennett wrote: > Hi mark & hell, well I used crime as a slang to mean a very bad > artistic > choice... I don't think changing a lyric per se is criminal (again > using the > slang version) but in this case it was lazy writing imo which I > consider a > crime because joni is so meticulous (mostly) with her lyric choices :~) I understand what you mean Kate, however aren't you guys assuming that Joni had nothing to do with it? With the reverence that kd has for Joni, I wouldn't doubt that she discussed it with her. "It" may have been Joni's choice for all we know. I didn't necessarily have a problem with changing the word itself. It's just that her delivery seemed more deliberate which made me focus on it more. For someone who doesn't know the lyrics intimately like us, I'll bet it goes unnoticed and uncommented upon. The choice of changing lyrics always struck me as being dependent upon the singer's intent. If this were on a "songbook" type of record I would want it to be true to the original lyric. Since these songs were chosen because of kd's personal connection to them, I understand the choice. And "Hymns" is virtually flawless, so I've grown not to care as much as when I first heard it. B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:32:34 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: k. d.'s Joni covers > kd changed to a genderless pronoun but she's not calling the object > of her affections "it". "It" is the flawed but viable relationship. > "It" might be a marraige. Exactly! I guess if it's a midwestern expression, maybe it's my Iowa roots that are showing. But the meaning was clear to me from the first time I heard it. And it only alters the meaning very slightly if at all. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:39:40 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Dreamland painting Jamie Zubairi wrote: > I was watching the Refuge of the Roads dvd and looking at the photo diary > I came upon a photo of her standing next to a poster of her tour in French. She's offering flowers in one hand and holding another bunch in the other. Yes, this is the EXACT photo she used for the Dreamland painting. Good eyes, Zoob. Can't wait to see it-suppose I should get off my butt & order ROTR. Clever Joni tying in her work like that-shouldn't Bernstein get some kind of credit in D, like "painting based on photo by JB" ? RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:06:46 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Yet Do I Marvel On Saturday, August 28, 2004, at 02:16 PM, simon@icu.com wrote: > YET DO I MARVEL > by Countee Cullen I'm not sure I get what this has to do with Joni, but it is pleasantly surprising to see this poet's name turn up anywhere on the net. B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:52:56 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: "Joni Mitchell Sings Joni Mitchell" (Pink Dress Video) mia ortlieb writes: > > Thanks for the tour of the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame, Steve! > Your descriptions made me feel like I was almost there. > I just have one question tho. You wrote: "a snippet of Joni > from the 'Pink Dress Concert' playing A Case of You finished > the presentation." Did Joni actually play ACOY at the Pink Dress > Concert? I don't remember this. The only dulcimer songs I recall > at the Pink Dress Concert are California and All I Want. The reason > I ask is if this exists, I'll have to form my own little search > party to hunt down a copy of this footage! Mia, as Bob has already pointed out, Joni did not perform "A Case Of You" at the "Pink Dress Concert". the actual title of the program is "Joni Mitchell Sings Joni Mitchell". recorded in Sept. 1970, the program was originally broadcast on Oct. 9, 1970 and was the premier episode of the BBC's new "In Concert" TV series. here's the SetList: JONI MITCHELL 'IN CONCERT' 'JONI MITCHELL Sings JONI MITCHELL' BBC TV Centre West London, England Oct. 9, 1970 (Broadcast Date) 1. Chelsea Morning 2. Cactus Tree 3. My Old Man 4. For Free 5. California 6. Big Yellow Taxi 7. Both Sides, Now in 1971 the program was ReEdited and there was a second broadcast on May 17th. four songs from the Oct. broadcast were deleted and replaced with four songs that weren't originally included. here's the SetList: JONI MITCHELL 'IN CONCERT' 'JONI MITCHELL Sings JONI MITCHELL' BBC Television Center West London, England May 17, 1971 (Broadcast Date) 1. Chelsea Morning 2. HUNTER 3. The GALLERY 4. My Old Man 5. WOODSTOCK 6. ALL I WANT 7. Both Sides, Now these were both 30 min. programs. there are no VideoTapes of the 2nd version in circulation although i do have an audio tape. Bob writes: > The setlist for the 'Pink Dress' Broadcast is: > > 1. Chelsea Morning > 2. HUNTER > 3. The GALLERY > 4. Cactus Tree > 5. My Old Man > 6. For Free > 7. WOODSTOCK > 8. ALL I WANT > 9. California > 10. Big Yellow axi > 11. Both Sides Now sorry Bob -- but No! this 50 min. version was never 'Broadcast' this was an 'In-House' Production Screener. that's why there's a timing strip across the screen. these songs were selected from a longer program and are the songs selected by the producer for consideration and use in the final broadcast version. in the end, all of these songs were used although in two seperate broadcasts. andmoreagain, - ------------------- simon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 17:31:20 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Joni Mitchell Sings Joni Mitchell" (Pink Dress Video) **sorry Bob -- but No! this 50 min. version was never 'Broadcast' Thanks for clearing that up, Simon - nothing like the facts to put those assumptions to rest. I appreciate you stepping up with these Joni factoids. Bob NP: Rick Summer Droit, "For Free" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:02:33 -0400 From: vince Subject: Re: Yet Do I Marvel How pleasant to come across a Countee Cullen poem, and this one especially! A great poet and greatly under recalled. I cannot remember who first turned me on to him but I love his religious poetry - very contemporary in surprising ways consider alone: Inscrutable His ways are, and immune To catechism that silences much of our theological dogmatism Vince simon@icu.com wrote: > YET DO I MARVEL > by Countee Cullen > > > I doubt not God is good, well-meaning, kind > And did He stoop to quibble could tell why > The little buried mole continues blind, > Why flesh that mirrors Him must some day die, > Make plain the reason tortured Tantalus > Is baited by the fickle fruit, declare > If merely brute caprice dooms Sisyphus > To struggle up a never-ending stair. > Inscrutable His ways are, and immune > To catechism by a mind too strewn > With petty cares to slightly understand > What awful brain compels His awful hand. > Yet do I marvel at this curious thing: > To make a poet black, and bid him sing! > > > > > andmoreagain, > ------------------ > simon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:55:49 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Diana Krall's muse is guess who? Taking a break from the obviously political (don't get used to it :-), this excerpt is from a NYTimes review. I haven't seen this Joni praise mentioned here yet: A Traditionalist Takes Off Along the Edge of Audacity August 26, 2004 By STEPHEN HOLDEN At Radio City Music Hall, where she concluded a 34-city tour, Ms. Krall was not backing down. Although there were a fair number of walkouts, the capacity audience generally expressed a cautious approval of a concert that pushed pop-jazz to an unusual level of sophistication for a large concert hall. Appearing with a trio that included Anthony Wilson on guitar, Robert Hurst on bass and Peter Erskine on drums, Ms. Krall performed much of the new album, along with a few oldies, concluding the evening with a voice- and-piano version of her sturdiest original song, the bittersweet "Departure Bay." For inspiration, Ms. Krall has always looked only to the best. The principal muse informing her original material is her fellow Canadian Joni Mitchell. And the knotty new songs, with their wandering melodies, introspective lyrics, and jazz instrumental breaks owe much to Ms. Mitchell's music, especially to the album, "Hejira." Two of Ms. Krall's collaborations with Mr. Costello, "Abandoned Masquerade" and "The Girl in the Other Room," have a torchy film-noir undertone that was accented on Tuesday by Ms. Krall's striking appearance in a white silk dress. Her growling versions of Tom Waits's and Kathleen Brennan's "Temptation" and Ms. Mitchell's "Black Crow" also toyed with the femme fatale imagery that suggested the movie "Body Heat." The concert's most satisfying moment was a slow-burning, smoky rendition of the vintage torch song "You Call It Madness." http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/26/arts/music/26kral.html?ex=1094562119&ei=1&en=aaefbcf4be88c057 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:27:45 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Speaking of ACOY covers... _http://www.freddyfreeman.com/media.html_ (http://www.freddyfreeman.com/media.html) A pretty version, but then again almost all ACOY covers are. Bob NP: Freddy Freeman, "A Case Of You" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 02:12:51 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: August 30 On August 30 the following articles were published: 1970: "Isle of Wight Festival Turns Slightly Discordant" - New York Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=806 1974: "Joni Mitchell in the Rain" - Boston Globe (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=761 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #248 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)