From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #232 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, August 14 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 232 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Hunter revealed ["mia ortlieb" ] DREAMLAND, Snapshots and Rhino [simon@icu.com] Re: Joni fans discussing [dsk ] The Cover of Dreamland [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Michael G. Friedman has sent you a 10% discount [mike@pinataperspective.c] Quick - which Joni song does this remind you of? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The Cover of Dreamland [dsk ] Joni's art [dsk ] Re: The Cover of Dreamland ["Cynthia Vickery" ] Re: joni costume party [Lori Fye ] Re: Quick - which Joni song does this remind you of? [Bill Dollinger ] Re: The Cover of Dreamland [Em ] Re: joni costume party [Em ] Re: Quick - which Joni song does this remind you of? [Lori Fye ] Re: The Cover of Dreamland [Catherine McKay ] Re: The Cover of Dreamland [Em ] Re: The Cover of Dreamland [Catherine McKay ] TBOS in Canada? ["Justin Russ" ] Re: Rhino's Dreamland [Randy Remote ] Re: TBOS in Canada? [Randy Remote ] Re: The Cover of Dreamland [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: The Cover of Dreamland [Randy Remote ] jc [HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com] Re: k.d. lang's album - with joni content [Brenda ] RE: The Cover of Dreamland ["hell" ] Re: TBOS in Canada? [Catherine McKay ] RE: The Cover of Dreamland [Catherine McKay ] Re: The Cover of Dreamland and Joni's writing [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: The Cover of Dreamland [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: k.d. lang's album - with joni content [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: k.d. lang's album - with joni content [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: k.d. lang's album - with joni content [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: The Cover of Dreamland and Joni's writing ["hell" ] "Dreamland", was "Snapshots of a Diary" ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Hunter revealed <> Excellent find, Catherine! Thanks for sharing this. Hunter turned out to be the angel, I guess, in Joni's song. Mia - (now wondering how they determine the age of stray cats) _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:00:48 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: DREAMLAND, Snapshots and Rhino jamiezubairi - writes > Subject: Dreamland/Snapshots of a Diary > > Hi everyone Just been on the amazon.com and the co.uk > site and interestingly the track listings for the new album > is posted there. Bizarrely in the .com site it's called Dreamland > and in the co.uk site it's called Snapshots of a Diary... > included is an editorial review. I dunno about this folks... Jamie, the title WAS changed several weeks ago. initially the US amazon.com website also listed the forthcoming release DREAMLAND as "Snapshots In A Diary". the UK website has simply not yet corrected their listing. both amazom sites refer to the same ref. no. (ASIN: B0002MPQ50) BTW: I AM actually glad to finally see "Dancin' Clown" included. it's a fun song. it really doesn't need to be any more than that. I LIKE it. Always Have! as for the Editorial Review ... i'm in complete agreement with the statement: "DREAMLAND offers a glimpse of the timeless innovation she has continued to pursue at each stage of her career." A Glimpse. a sampling, not a feast. - ----- BRYAN8847@aol.com - writes > For the life of me, I can't see why Furry would be on this CD. > > Yes, Furry is a good (very good) song. But my point was, > it's so obscure, why would it be on a hits or best-of sampler > collection? If the idea is to sample Hejira, why not Coyote, > which actually was a minor hit and received much more > radio play. "Furry Sings The Blues" was included because Joni selected it, and because she's particularly proud of This song. she's not the least bit influenced by how much radio airplay a song receives, or doesn't. - ----- Mark - writes > First of all, I think it's worth noting *that this is > a Rhino Records release*. > > This brings up something I've been curious about for > a long time. Who makes the decision to do it when Rhino > does a compilation like this? Does Joni have any input about > what goes on it? Rhino Records is the ReIssue arm of WEA International. whether it's Warner, Reprise, Elektra/Asylum, Nonesuch or Atlantic Records; it's all WEA. a growing number of catalog ReIssues and anthologies are now being released on the Rhino label. it all the same thing, really. it's as simple as that. Yes, Joni Always has input. ALWAYS! in fact, contractually speaking, she has final Approval. that's why there was no U.S. anthology until Joni approved the release of the HITS compilation. the simultaneous release of MISSES was her request and 'condition' for approval of HITS. the recent Geffen Release, TBOS, was entirely Self-Initiated by Joni. Rhino asked Joel Bernstein for a suggested TrackList last March. the original list contained at least -1- song from each album and was presented chronologically. THEN Joni got involved ... > Isn't all of this material still out there on cds that are still > being produced and marketed by Reprise, Asylum and Geffen? Yes, that's usually the case with Anthologies. > What are the legalities and compensations involved? > Another good example is Billie Holiday's catalogue. > Columbia used to own her early stuff, MCA had the Decca > recordings, there was another label putting out the Commodore > stuff and finally Verve has the Mercury, Clef and Verve sides. > But you see cheap compilations on fly by night labels all the time > that draw from most of these with the possible exception of Verve. > How does all of that work? all of the above companies continue to own the 'Master' recordings, and have issued and ReIssued this material over the years. However, in a lot of cases the copyrights has lapsed and the recordings are now in the 'Public Domain'. most of the compilations you're seeing are European and their copyright laws are somewhat different. not all of these companies are "Fly By Night". some are actually doing 1st rate work. especially, for instance, JSP Records in the UK and Media 7/Masters Of Jazz in France. both of these companies often use the sevices of noted ReMastering engineer John R.T. Davies. HIS work often surpasses the ReIssues released by the major labels. as for Joni's recent and forthcoming CDs: TBOS has three songs from Reprise/WEA. DREAMLAND has three songs from Geffen. in terms of 'Licensing Rights', it's a wash. even-up. > How did 'The Beginning of Survival' get done? > That contains stuff from both the Geffen and Reprise > recordings, does it not? i think that's answered above. andmoreagain, - ------------------ simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:39:10 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Joni fans discussing Marianne Rizzo wrote: > > *I just read this post by Debra and found it to be thought provoking and > insightful. . . > I liked it very much. Thanks, Marianne. It's always good to get some feedback. Since my "this release is bizarre" post, I've listened to Joni's radio interview about it, and it was great hearing her enthusiasm for this project. It didn't make me want to rush out and buy it, but hearing her say she hasn't written since 1997 (and WHY is that? I wondered) softened my view a bit. For someone who used to have songs pour out of her, such a dry spell would be tough (or so I imagine). The new compilations she's working on... are they and BS just keeping her hand in the best way she can? Kinda funny that she's keeping her hand in the MUSIC business considering she's been complaining about it for so long. Maybe this is better. She already did the hard work when she first wrote and released those songs, so she doesn't have as much emotion invested in these releases. It's all gravy. The "Dreamland" compilation is one I would give to people who dropped off after her first few albums, just to show them how she continued on, and maybe one of the songs would grab them enough to investigate further. As far as the song selection goes... "Furry" is one surprise choice but it does show Joni's unique way with words and images and humor. The choice that surprises me most is "The Jungle Line." Even a lot of die-hard fans dislike that one. I remember a fierce list discussion about Jungle Line a couple years back. So, once again, our Joni is full of surprises. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:38:41 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: The Cover of Dreamland _http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002MPQ50.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg_ (http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002MPQ50.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg) No ghoul hand this time 'round, just Joni with a corpse-like stare, surrounded by flames (?) and offering up some flowers... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:24:17 -0700 From: mike@pinataperspective.com Subject: Michael G. Friedman has sent you a 10% discount Michael G. Friedman bought a few things at Amazon.com and wanted to offer you a discount on them. 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To opt out of receiving Share the Love offer e-mails, please visit: http://www.amazon.com/manage-stl-email ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:56:32 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Quick - which Joni song does this remind you of? _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3940&item=4916451006_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3940&item=4916451006) Bob NP: Country Joe & The Fish, "Flying High" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:24:11 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: The Cover of Dreamland Accckkkkkk! It's a golden Frieda Kahlo. Joni, lose the frames!!!! At least this frame looks like sun rays (although I'm not sure what that has to do with Dreamland or Joni's work in general), but, I say, let your paintings breathe, will ya?! Just my first 2 cent reaction... Debra Shea SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > _http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002MPQ50.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg_ > (http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002MPQ50.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg) > > No ghoul hand this time 'round, just Joni with a corpse-like stare, > surrounded by flames (?) and offering up some flowers... > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:38:36 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Joni's art Since Joni wants to share her artwork now, and that seems like a big part of her involvement with these compilations, why is she limiting herself to little 4 x 4 reproductions? Why not do poster-size prints that fold up (and for design reasons, use the folds as part of the image)? Or, have coupons so people could request or purchase full-size prints? There's got to be satisfying creative ways to overcome the small size of cd packages. Fans that love her artwork would buy the cd and be thrilled at being able to get something that could be framed and seen from more than a foot away. Just sharing a few more 2-cent ideas, Joni. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:51:40 -0500 From: "Cynthia Vickery" Subject: Re: The Cover of Dreamland out of the fire, like catholic saints..... cindy _________________________________ <> SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > _http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002MPQ50.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg_ > (http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002MPQ50.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg) > > No ghoul hand this time 'round, just Joni with a corpse-like stare, > surrounded by flames (?) and offering up some flowers... > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:54:23 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: joni costume party > Did someone want to go as a ruby? Only if someone else will go as a black man's ear. : ) Lori, who is still pondering her Joni costume (great thread, Em!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:50:06 -0400 From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: Quick - which Joni song does this remind you of? 't'he Boho Zone, Bill On Aug 13, 2004, at 1:56 PM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&category=3940&item=4916451006_ > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&category=3940&item=4916451006) > > Bob > > NP: Country Joe & The Fish, "Flying High" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:10:07 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: The Cover of Dreamland > http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002MPQ50.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg The painting is fine with me. All I really really want ... ... is for that darned cover template to change. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:32:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: The Cover of Dreamland they're great frames she comes up with though! Its hard to find so many varied moldings like that. Of course some people feel that fancy frames negate the art itself. And that may be true. But I like that funky touch. Not married to her always using it like that on album covers..but in general I'm ok with the funky frames. A little LOTC/hippy mama-ish, which pleases me. Em - --- Lori Fye wrote: > > http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002MPQ50.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg > > The painting is fine with me. > > All I really really want ... > > > ... is for that darned cover template to change. > > Lori > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:27:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: joni costume party thx Lori! I have enjoyed hearing people's responses. Still trying to figure out how I could dress up as fever in the scum brown bowl. :P Em ps thinking a Peggy Lee statuette in a dirty bird bath.... - --- Lori Fye wrote: > > Did someone want to go as a ruby? > > Only if someone else will go as a black man's ear. > > : ) > > Lori, > who is still pondering her Joni costume (great thread, Em!) > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:51:33 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Quick - which Joni song does this remind you of? > And if you call that part of a watch the 'face', does that mean that this > one has a "f*ck-face"? Ah, so many questions... LOL ... good one! > "like a priest with a pornographic watch, looking in long and on the sly", I > have always loved that line, and can remember the first time I heard it and > it stopped me cold and I thought to myself "damn, that's the kind of line > ONLY Joni could write". OH! That lyric!! Gotcha. And yeah, it IS a great one!! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:16:12 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Cover of Dreamland "Ghoul Hand" Muller writes: << No ghoul hand this time 'round, just Joni with a corpse-like stare, surrounded by flames (?) and offering up some flowers... >> YIKES! Give me a ghoul hand any day over Joni in Hell offering some leftover flowers from her grave! That painting reminds me of old Catholic catechism illustrations of people burning in the abyss. - --Smurf, who plans to go to Heaven "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - --George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:48:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Cover of Dreamland --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > (http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002MPQ50.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg) > > > No ghoul hand this time 'round, just Joni with a > corpse-like stare, > surrounded by flames (?) and offering up some > flowers... > Corpselike, Bob? Do you have death on the brain? LOL! This is a very ODD painting... but I like it. It reminds me of something - an icon, or something. Maybe a Madonna? And I think one of her hands DOES look a bit strange - the one that's down (that would be her right hand). I'm not an artist but I understand hands are one of the hardest things to draw. I wonder if Joni is trying to tell us something? Those do look like flames. Is she in purgatory? Is she coming out of hell? Is she a phoenix rising from the ashes? The feeling I get from this painting is very hopeful. There's a lot of bright colour and a lot of gold tones. The expression on her face seems slightly stunned but somehow beatific. The slight smile is almost Mona Lisa-ish/ The painting is a bit primitive-looking, though. Sort of reminds me of a Madonna, like maybe the Virgin of Guadeloupe or something along those lines. Any art historians here? Does this look kind of familiar to you, or am I just have a lot of deja-vu these days? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:04:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Cover of Dreamland --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > "Ghoul Hand" Muller writes: > > << No ghoul hand this time 'round, just Joni with a > corpse-like stare, > surrounded by flames (?) and offering up some > flowers... >> > > > YIKES! Give me a ghoul hand any day over Joni in > Hell offering some leftover > flowers from her grave! That painting reminds me of > old Catholic catechism > illustrations of people burning in the abyss. Yeah, it does have that Catholic look, doesn't it? That's probably what I was thinking of. But she doesn't look like she's *in* hell, just passing through. Hee-hee-hee. You and me Smurph - way too much Catholic shit in the background! That explains a lot. > --Smurf, who plans to go to Heaven HA! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:20:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: The Cover of Dreamland Reminds me of that burning saint on that Leonard Cohen album cover. Is it supposed to be "Kateri Tekakwitha"? hey I have no clue am just guessing about the Leonard Cohen thing. The Joni painting doesn't push any familiar buttons with me. I find it unremarkeable, tho good. Hey. its art; human endeavour - and whether we can tell or not, she made inroads into new ways of seeing. So it's valid. To me, anyway. I see her presenting herself as an "innocent" - presenting flowers like a sweet grrrl does - to the viewer. My .02. :) Em <<< so happy there is no hurricane in her backyard... --- Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: > > "Ghoul Hand" Muller writes: > > > > << No ghoul hand this time 'round, just Joni with a > > corpse-like stare, > > surrounded by flames (?) and offering up some > > flowers... >> > > > > > > YIKES! Give me a ghoul hand any day over Joni in > > Hell offering some leftover > > flowers from her grave! That painting reminds me of > > old Catholic catechism > > illustrations of people burning in the abyss. > > Yeah, it does have that Catholic look, doesn't it? > That's probably what I was thinking of. But she > doesn't look like she's *in* hell, just passing > through. Hee-hee-hee. You and me Smurph - way too much > Catholic shit in the background! That explains a lot. > > > --Smurf, who plans to go to Heaven > > HA! > > ===== > Catherine > Toronto > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:40:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Cover of Dreamland --- Em wrote: > Reminds me of that burning saint on that Leonard > Cohen album cover. Is > it supposed to be "Kateri Tekakwitha"? hey I have no > clue am just > guessing about the Leonard Cohen thing. I think that's what I was thinking about. It's so Catholic-looking, but no swords through hearts or crowns of thorns or stigmata, no halos, no eyes raised heavenward, no doves descending, the usual kitschy stuff you see in pictures of saints and all that. You're probably right about Kateri T - Cohen has this thing about Catholic saints and KT was in one of his books (Beautiful Losers, maybe?) It's probably the Montreal upbringing - all those French and Irish Catholics warping the mind of young Jewish boy! (That's where my parents were from too.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:40:00 -0400 From: "Justin Russ" Subject: TBOS in Canada? Hey everyone. I just joined the list so I'm not sure if anyone has asked this yet or not, but has TBOS been released in Canada yet? I thought it was supposed to come out on August 10th in Canada (which is what is listed on Futureshop.ca and on the release schedule at Canoe.ca) but I still haven't been able to find it anywhere in downtown Toronto, and of all places it should at least be at Sam's or the HMV Supertore, but nothing. I don't want to order it Amazon.com unless I absolutely have to. Does anyone have any news about this? _________________________________________________________________ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft. SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:21:48 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Rhino's Dreamland Mark or Travis wrote: > Randy Remote wrote: > > The record company owns the recordings or "masters". If a third > > party wants to release them, they would have to get a licence from > > Reprise or Geffen to do it. > > So this was Rhino's idea, right? Hard to say...Joni or her management could have gone label shopping > It was their decision to put together a Joni Mitchell collection, > not Joni's. I wonder if she could have stopped them doing it if she didn't like the idea or if the > it was all up to the labels and she had no say about it. I'm sure she was involved, afterall, it has her art on it, and that is copyrighted by no one but her. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:40:21 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: TBOS in Canada? Hi Justin- I don't know the answer to your question, but welcome to the list anyhow! Make yourself at home.... Justin Russ wrote: > Hey everyone. I just joined the list so I'm not sure if anyone has asked > this yet or not, but has TBOS been released in Canada yet? I thought it was > supposed to come out on August 10th in Canada (which is what is listed on > Futureshop.ca and on the release schedule at Canoe.ca) but I still haven't > been able to find it anywhere in downtown Toronto, and of all places it > should at least be at Sam's or the HMV Supertore, but nothing. I don't want > to order it Amazon.com unless I absolutely have to. Does anyone have any > news about this? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:42:03 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Cover of Dreamland Jing writes: << presenting flowers like a sweet grrrl does - to the viewer >> And are those (taming the) tiger lilies? Or are they called day lilies? Any lurking botanists here? God knows we've got every other kind of human . . . And knowing Joni, whatever flower she picked would have about 12 levels of meaning. - --Smurf, who may go to Hell for signing too loudly in church every Sunday "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - --George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:48:12 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: The Cover of Dreamland Hmmm....the face is pretty good...the lower hand is way bad.... the rest typically one-dimensional...what's with the white hankerchief hanging from the flowers, or is that her shirt? .... Love ya Joni, but you will be remembered for your music... And now I sit up here, the critic, RR SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002MPQ50.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg > > No ghoul hand this time 'round, just Joni with a corpse-like stare, > surrounded by flames (?) and offering up some flowers... > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:07:32 EDT From: HOOPSJOHN1@aol.com Subject: jc fame and fortune can't hold you tight in the late late hours of the night...how do you stop? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:58:14 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: k.d. lang's album - with joni content On Tuesday, August 10, 2004, at 03:34 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > it was funny - it came out the same day as TBOS, and > after I left the record store I realized that I was so NOT interested > in TBOS > that I didn't even go to the Joni section and check it out. I had this dream. I think it was a dream. kd lang was singing this song...this beautiful, new song that Joni had written just for her... Joni was writing songs for kd and kd was back with Ben and ... it was incredible...and Patrick, you were there...and Bob...sweet SCJoniGuy, you were there too...you were all there... Really though, I know I'm all prodigal daughter with my post and dash last time, but I gotta say it somewhere... kd lang is hitting her vocal peak and it's going to be a while. She sounds ageless. It's something what apprenticing with Tony Bennett will do... And I wish there was a universe in which Joni was so inspired by kd's version of "Jericho" that she wrote for her. New songs. "Jericho" is in my rotating 5 of favorite Joni song ever. It's really only behind "Hejira" and "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow" in rotation. And dare I say it...I like kd's better than either of Joni's. It's more emotional. Warmer. Man. I just got this today and I am flat on my ass. I wish this song had been in kd's show. (I saw her at the Bowl and there just wasn't enough of this record. But "Helpless" and "The Valley" were incredible. "Hallelujah" was a revelation. Not to get too out there, but it seems like she's on some kind of spiritual journey...or path I should say.) Bob, I'm right there with you on the lyric change in "A Case of You." I think she should have just made a choice; it was a very false moment. But the way she sings "Judas, in the end"... and the "all the dogs go running free, the wild and gentle dogs kenneled in me"...it's like a new song for me. I'm gonna slink my Judas ass on out of here now... B n.p.: kd's "Jericho" again and again... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:18:09 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: RE: The Cover of Dreamland > Hmmm....the face is pretty good...the lower hand is way bad.... > the rest typically one-dimensional...what's with the white > hankerchief hanging from the flowers, or is that her shirt? .... > Love ya Joni, but you will be remembered for your music... I don't know, I love her art-work as well (although not so much this one). I think it is her shirt, rather than a hankerchief, but the distinction between the shirt and jacket is not so good. It's like she painted the top two-thirds carefully, then hurried the rest! But this painting reminds me a little of the cover of Clouds - the sunset has been replaced by fire, and she's holding several flowers instead of just one, but the expression on her face is very similar..... Hell ____________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:58:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: TBOS in Canada? --- Justin Russ wrote: > Hey everyone. I just joined the list so I'm not > sure if anyone has asked > this yet or not, but has TBOS been released in > Canada yet? I thought it was > supposed to come out on August 10th in Canada (which > is what is listed on > Futureshop.ca and on the release schedule at > Canoe.ca) but I still haven't > been able to find it anywhere in downtown Toronto, > and of all places it > should at least be at Sam's or the HMV Supertore, > but nothing. Welcome, Justin. I'm in Toronto too and, strangely enough, went to Sam's yesterday (I hadn't been there in eons) to see what they had. No sign of TBOS, although they had just about everything else. You can order it off amazon.ca. I didn't notice anything about having to wait at all. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:13:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: The Cover of Dreamland --- hell wrote: > But this painting reminds me a little of the cover > of Clouds - the sunset > has been replaced by fire, and she's holding several > flowers instead of just > one, but the expression on her face is very > similar..... > Yeah. Same flower. Similar look to the composition. And this (d'oh!): "Out of the fire like Catholic saints Comes Joni with her deep complaint." Joni has not lost her sense of humour. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:55:05 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Cover of Dreamland and Joni's writing Catherine the Okay writes: << "Out of the fire like Catholic saints Comes Joni with her deep complaint." Joni has not lost her sense of humour. >> "Everybody's saying that Hell's the hippest way to go Joni doesn't think so But she's gonna take a look around it though" Also, didn't I read something earlier today from Debra about Joni saying in the recent radio interview that she hasn't written since '97? What's up with that? Was that the year of the mother and child reunion? Did anything else significant happen to Joni in that year? Is that when Muller threw himself at her and held her pre-ghoul hand for that famous photo? I wonder how such an incredible writer can just stop. - --Smurf, hoping our Florida kin are faring all right "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - --George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:17:08 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Cover of Dreamland **Corpselike, Bob? Do you have death on the brain? LOL! Heavens no...but maybe she does? But really & truly I think it's just the limitations of her art talents. I like the comment about it being an update of the Clouds jacket - very astute. This painting reminds me of the hands offering up the golden eggs on T'log, I think Joni's saying something like "OK, I got myself back to the garden of my career and I've picked these for you (and especially "Dancin' Clown" for YOU, Mr Muller!) No thanks, Joni...clowns scare the sh*t out of me, especially that dancing one. Bob NP: Led Zeppelin, "Stairway To Heaven" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:22:06 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: k.d. lang's album - with joni content **And dare I say it...I like kd's better than either of Joni's. It's more emotional. Warmer. I'm right there with you, Brenda. (Matter of fact I think I'm worshipping you from afar right about now!) And that's saying a LOT about this recording of kd's because I LOVE Joni's version SO MUCH; lyrically, musically, instrumentally...still, kd - job well done. I had completed my "Sweet Sixteen Vol 3" compilation, and when I heard this track I HAD to go back and redo it to fit it in there. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:24:49 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: k.d. lang's album - with joni content Mixmaster Muller writes: << I had completed my "Sweet Sixteen Vol 3" compilation, and when I heard this track I HAD to go back and redo it to fit it in there. >> So . . . what'd ya cut? - --Smurf "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - --George W. Bush ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:28:31 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: k.d. lang's album - with joni content **So . . . what'd ya cut? Ethel Merman - Blue (I cut Karrin Allyson's "All I Want", since I already had her "Help Me" on it. Both are great and fans of female jazz vocalists should get Karrin's "Wild For You" if they don't already have it - Mmmmm yummy.) Bob NP: Yes, "Roundabout" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:20:15 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: RE: The Cover of Dreamland and Joni's writing Catherine wrote: > "Out of the fire like Catholic saints > Comes Joni with her deep complaint." > > Joni has not lost her sense of humour. And there I was, trying to find a lyric that described the painting! I never thought of that one! Then Bob wrote: > Also, didn't I read something earlier today from Debra about Joni > saying in > the recent radio interview that she hasn't written since '97? > What's up with > that? Was that the year of the mother and child reunion? Did > anything else > significant happen to Joni in that year? Is that when Muller > threw himself at her > and held her pre-ghoul hand for that famous photo? > > I wonder how such an incredible writer can just stop. I've said this before, but I think her muse just sent her in another direction, ie. painting - which she's done a lot more of lately - and she just decided to express herself in a different way. And as she'd said herself, "I sing my sorrow, and I paint my joy." Maybe the reunion with Kilauren and her grandchild(ren) brought so much happiness, she's had no personal sorrow to sing about?! Which leads me back to wondering why she doesn't produce a book of paintings, rather than all these compilations of her existing work. Is it because she doesn't think she has an audience for her art, or doesn't value it (herself) as much as her song-writing? Whatever the reason, I hope that the art does emerge in a commercial form at some point, and not just as tiny little graphics on CD liners! Hell ____________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 00:44:17 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Dreamland", was "Snapshots of a Diary" I think "Snapshots of a Diary" was a weak title. I don't really understand snapshots *OF* a diary. Of? Does that mean that you get several different still frames, taken OF a diary? I imagine: "Shapshot #1: front view of the diary". "Shapshot #2: back view of the diary". "Shapshot #3: right hand edge of the diary". It's static. "Snapshots FROM A Diary" I could support but the word "snapshot" carries a negative connotation. Changing the title to "Dreamland" means that she narrowly avoided shooting herself in the foot... this time. To me, the cover is terrific. I studied the image on the Amazon site for several minutes: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002MPQ50.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg Joni's made her peace with newbies. This is not like shooting the moon at newbies as she did on the cover of 'miss es'. I like this painting much more than the cover of THE BEGINNING OF SURVIVAL. I think of TBOS as a political collection so maybe the edgy cover with the green hands is appropriate. "Dreamland" is a sunnier collection and the painting is not only sunny but very interesting too. She's not just collecting that bunch of flowers. She's made an offering to her public, like the golden eggs she shared from two open palms in TRAVELOGUE. Now the track order. If these choices are set in stone, I think this is a savvy way to sequence them. She opens with a familiar radio hit that is still played very frequently today in Starbucks and on satellite radio. In the old days we had elevator music by Mantovani. Now we have "Free Man in Paris". Things are better now. :) Including "Dreamland" was a bold choice and it says several things to me: 1. Charlie Mingus' gutsy collaborator is making good decisions again. We all know that she provides an adult portion of diversity. Newbies get a real sample of it with the Dreamland track. 2. The real payoff to slipping "Dreamland" into the mix is that it perfectly sets up "The Jungle Line". They weren't on the same album originally but they are GREAT neighbors now. Many people on the JMDL have written that they just don't get "The Jungle Line". I believe the key is the drum/synth contrast. If the previous track is almost all percussion, "The Jungle Line" has the right appetizer. That contrast complements the story perfectly too. The contrast in the drums/synth is the same contrast as the story. I think "The Jungle Line" is worth setting up properly because it's a flat-out brilliant lyric. It has much of THOSL condensed into one story. It's ancient yet modern. It's primal but sophisticated. It's a trance track that also makes you think. It's dangerous. It's sexy. It's the full ripening of Joni's multiplicity. (Does this post "sound" like a Lit 300 critique or what?) "DREAMLAND" also has a very strong close: 2 of Joni's most famous anthems. I'm buying "DREAMLAND". How could I not? Lama PS to Joni: Could the next compilation include the ROTR version of "For Free", the Dick Cavett show version of "Woodstock" (with spoken intro), and the Camden, NJ version (BSN tour, 2000) of "Ludwig's Tune"? The earlier tracks are minimal and superficially "beautiful". Each arrangement gets progressively bigger. For Free & Ludwig's Tune provide a set of bookend discussions on fame. That's my two cents. DREAMLAND (on the Rhino reissue sublabel) is 1. Free Man In Paris 2. In France They Kiss On Main Street 3. Dreamland 4. The Jungle Line 5. Furry Sings The Blues 6. You Turn Me On I'm A Radio 7. Carey 8. Big Yellow Taxi 9. California 10. Help Me 11. Nothing Can Be Done 12. Dancin Clown 13. Come In From The Cold 14. Amelia 15. For The Roses 16. Both Sides Now 17. The Circle Game ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:12:37 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: August 14 On August 14 the following articles were published: 1974: "Mitchell at Pine Knob" - Michigan Daily (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=763 1979: "Joni Mitchell: The Once and Future Singer" - Detroit Free Press (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=841 1998: "Joni Mitchell Remembers The Time She Never Got To Woodstock" - MTV Website (Concert Preview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=462 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #232 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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