From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #231 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, August 13 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 231 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Rhino's Dreamland [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Joni Interview [Bill Dollinger ] Re: Today's Library Links: August 12 [Jerry Notaro ] CHEAP - Refuge of the Roads DVD [david sapp ] Re: les irvin!!! [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Rhino's Dreamland [Randy Remote ] Re: Dreamland/Snapshots of a Diary ["Jamie Zubairi" ] chief seattle's letter ["Marianne Rizzo" ] joni costume party ["Marianne Rizzo" ] joni racks ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Hunter revealed - for Mia [Catherine McKay ] Re: chief seattle's letter [Randy Remote ] RE: Hunter revealed - for Mia ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Rhino's Dreamland ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: [JMDLPC] U.S. Dept of Faith vljc [Randy Remote Subject: Re: Rhino's Dreamland --- Mark or Travis wrote: > > This brings up something I've been curious about for > a long time. Who makes the decision to do it > when Rhino does a compilation like this? Does Joni > have any input about what goes on it? Isn't all > of this material still out there on cds that are > still being produced and marketed by Reprise, > Asylum and Geffen? Do each or any of these labels > have any input? What are the legalities and > compensations involved? I have read on a website somewhere that Joni was 'collaborating' with them to do it. Also in the radio interview recently, she mentioned she was working on 'the Rhino project' even before TBOS. Not sure who gets the rights though... Much Joni come on everybody, singalong with me 'Cherchez la femme!' Much Joni Jamie Zoob ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 07:59:39 -0400 From: Bill Dollinger Subject: new Rhino release Rhino Records is pleased to announce a followup to the Joni Mitchell release, Dreamland, You may have heard these songs, but have you heard them in this order yet? The Rearrangement, due in stores Oct. 7, 2004. 1. The Circle Game 2. Both Sides Now 3. For The Roses 4. Amelia 5. Come In From The Cold 6. Dancing Clown 7. California 8. Nothing Can Be Done 9. Help Me 10. Big Yellow Taxi 11. Carey 12. You Turn Me On Ibm A Radio 13. Furry Sings The Blues 14. The Jungle Line 15. Dreamland 16. In France They Kiss On Main Street 17. Free Man In Paris (Just kidding folks, please have a sense of humor, this was a joke) and , while I won't be buying Dreamland, I hope it does well for her and introduces these songs to newcomers who don't already own everything she has recorded.) Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:03:41 -0400 From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Joni Interview This is the nuclear waste project that Joni was talking about in her recent interview, though she didn't give specifics, I am pretty sure this is what she was referring to. Bill Kerry Has Nevada's Ear on Yucca Mountain Plan He Opposes Nuclear Waste Storage Project By Jim VandeHei Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, August 11, 2004; Page A04 LAS VEGAS, Aug. 10 -- John F. Kerry told community leaders here Tuesday that he strongly opposes burying nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain, providing a contrast to President Bush on one of the dominant political issues in this crucial state. The Democratic presidential nominee said Bush is threatening the security and the economic vitality of Nevadans with his plan to ship spent nuclear waste from around the country for storage in the mountain 90 miles northwest of here. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:14:29 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Today's Library Links: August 12 > On August 12 the following article was published: > > > 1969: "Rock Stars Will Dominate Cavett Show Next Tuesday" - New York Times > (News Item) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=803 > 35 years ago, and how clearly I remember it! Jerry NPIMH: Woodstock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:43:23 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: david sapp Subject: CHEAP - Refuge of the Roads DVD Amazon has lowered the price to $12.28 USD. peace, david ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:30:29 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: les irvin!!! Sending up my prayer for your happiness on this your birthday, List-Master Les. When I think back on all the good times in Los Angeles, Bel Air, Topsfield, Plum Island and the Catskills I'm mindful of how good a friend you've been over these JMDL years. It's been a constant thrill to be part of this wonderful community you have created. Thanks to you and Joni for enriching my life. - -Julius npimh- Les playing mandolin at Jonifest 2002...I'm gonna miss not hearing that this year. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:38:55 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Rhino's Dreamland The record company owns the recordings or "masters". If a third party wants to release them, they would have to get a licence from Reprise or Geffen to do it. I suspect that, in the Geffen case, anyway, Joni would have a say, that she would have written that into her contract at the time. Whether, as a new artist, she was able to get that kind of clause from Reprise is hard to say. We know she had creative control of her releases from the first. The details of her deal are locked in a vault somewhere. I don't know exactly how the compensation would work. The only thing written in stone is the publishing royalties. Even those can vary; often the record companies will only pay for 10 songs, even though the law says the writer/publisher are supposed to get paid for each one. One of those 'because we can' things. RR Mark or Travis wrote: > First of all, I think it's work noting *that this is a Rhino Records release*. > > This brings up something I've been curious about for a long time. Who makes the decision to do it > when Rhino does a compilation like this? Does Joni have any input about what goes on it? Isn't all > of this material still out there on cds that are still being produced and marketed by Reprise, > Asylum and Geffen? Do each or any of these labels have any input? What are the legalities and > compensations involved? Another good example is Billie Holiday's catalogue. Columbia used to own > her early stuff, MCA had the Decca recordings, there was another label putting out the Commodore > stuff and finally Verve has the Mercury, Clef and Verve sides. But you see cheap compilations on > fly by night labels all the time that draw from most of these with the possible exception of Verve. > How does all of that work? How did 'The Beginning of Survival' get done? That contains stuff from > both the Geffen and Reprise recordings, does it not? > > Mark E. Curiously Curious in Seattle > > curiouser and curiouser!............... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:55:51 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Dreamland/Snapshots of a Diary Hey Azeem Yes, you are a little just like this train... Not sure about it though... it is however, exactly what it says in the box. It is a snapshot of a diary - something from each of her little musical periods. Not entirely sure if I'm going fork out for this one though, especially after Refuge and tBoS coming out so quickly after the other... It would seem like not a 'best of' exactly, like someone said but a taste of what she does. If you like something from a specific period, the thing to do is to get the album... I just wish she would release The Beat of Black Wings as I love it, lyrically, sonically and topically. (Although I'm not sure if I'd like it applied to the skin! lol) Much Joni Jamie Zoob ps: nice to have you posting again NP: Sermonette, The Hottest New Group In Jazz - Lambert Hendricks and Ross! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Azeem" To: "'Jerry Notaro'" ; "'Jamie Zubairi'" ; "'Joni List'" Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 12:06 AM Subject: RE: Dreamland/Snapshots of a Diary << This looks much more like a "Best of" collection, and if promoted properly will probably sell well. > Track Listings > 1. Free Man In Paris > 2. In France They Kiss On Main Street > 3. Dreamland > 4. The Jungle Line > 5. Furry Sings The Blues > 6. You Turn Me On Im A Radio > 7. Carey > 8. Big Yellow Taxi > 9. California > 10. Help Me > 11. Nothing Can Be Done > 12. Dancin Clown > 13. Come In From The Cold > 14. Amelia > 15. For The Roses > 16. Both Sides Now > 17. The Circle Game >> Whoooooaaaaah! I must have missed a meeting - am I right in thinking that there is talk afoot of ANOTHER Joni compilation?? Words fail me... Azeem in London, feeling like this is the first list post I've sent in yonks - possibly because it is. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:41:53 -0600 From: Robert Procyk Subject: tiny Joni shot on canadian idol clip This really is nothing, but if anyone saw Canadian Idol last night, they had Lionel Ritchie on, and they were showing these clips oh his achievements and they had this shot of I am sure it was Joni presenting him the Grammy for album of the year for 1983. She was all permed and dolled up in what looked like a pink outfit. As I said, it was like 4 seconds, but it was funny to see it nonetheless. Evian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:53:52 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: chief seattle's letter Where can I get a copy of Chief Seattle's letter? I have it here on the cd cover. . . but I wanted it in print here. and I forgot what was said about it's orriginality. . I mean, I think the bottom line is that it originated from an original. . I wanted to make a comment about htis letter, but I want it in front of me first. Sorry for the repetition. Love Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:15:52 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: joni costume party Did someone want to go as a ruby? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:18:02 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: joni racks I went to Media Play last night with Bree. . . I found my self tidying up the joni cd section. . putting things in order and such. . . How would she do it? Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:44:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Hunter revealed - for Mia Remember how, a week or so ago, we were talking about Joni's early cat song and just who the hunter was? Strangely enough, while I was looking for something *else*, what did I find but this: Joni Takes a Break by Larry LeBlanc Rolling Stone March 4, 1971 [...] She retreated to her isolated, wood-hewed home in Laurel Canyon about three miles north of Hollywood's Sunset Strip and immeasurable social light years away from Canada. Surrounded by stained Tiffany glass windows, oak-beam wooden floors, a Priestly piano, a grandfather clock, *and a black cat named Hunter, a nine-year-old tom*; she read her rave record reviews and equally enthusiastic stories about her public appearances. The whole article is here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=296 ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:19:07 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: chief seattle's letter There was never any letter. It's an urban myth, repeated so many times it has become commonly accepted. In a nutshell, writers for a made-for-TV eco-movie in the early '70's used a speech attributed to Chief Seattle, itself of somewhat dubious origin, added to it, and created the 'letter'. A Google search should find you the 'original' speech pretty easily, or the faux letter. Chief Seattle was noted for accepting and giving in to the white man's advance on Indian lands, although I'm sure he was not happy about it. He never learned English. RR Marianne Rizzo wrote: > Where can I get a copy of Chief Seattle's letter? > > I have it here on the cd cover. . . > > but I wanted it in print here. > > and I forgot what was said about it's orriginality. . I mean, I think the > bottom line is that it originated from an original. . > > I wanted to make a comment about htis letter, but I want it in front of me > first. > > Sorry for the repetition. > > Love Marianne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:29:43 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Hunter revealed - for Mia All right, Catherine. You are truly a literary sleuth researcher extraordinaire! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 7:44 PM To: Jonilist Subject: Hunter revealed - for Mia Remember how, a week or so ago, we were talking about Joni's early cat song and just who the hunter was? Strangely enough, while I was looking for something *else*, what did I find but this: Joni Takes a Break by Larry LeBlanc Rolling Stone March 4, 1971 [...] She retreated to her isolated, wood-hewed home in Laurel Canyon about three miles north of Hollywood's Sunset Strip and immeasurable social light years away from Canada. Surrounded by stained Tiffany glass windows, oak-beam wooden floors, a Priestly piano, a grandfather clock, *and a black cat named Hunter, a nine-year-old tom*; she read her rave record reviews and equally enthusiastic stories about her public appearances. The whole article is here: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=296 ===== Catherine Toronto - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:42:59 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Rhino's Dreamland Randy Remote wrote: > The record company owns the recordings or "masters". If a third > party wants to release them, they would have to get a licence from > Reprise or Geffen to do it. So this was Rhino's idea, right? It was their decision to put together a Joni Mitchell collection, not Joni's. I wonder if she could have stopped them doing it if she didn't like the idea or if the it was all up to the labels and she had no say about it. I'm glad she has had some input about it, though. But it won't be on the top of my list of 'must-haves'. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:58:09 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: [JMDLPC] U.S. Dept of Faith vljc These posters a kewl, too... Believe it or not, I got a phone call today from a woman who said I would be invited to a lunch with President Bush. I shit you not. Then she played a recording that started "As a leading business owner..." (based on my little record label-ha!)...and I realized that it was gonna be a nice invitation to spend $50,000 for the priviledge of lunching with Der Dubya. Click. RR re below: their posters are a hoot, too: http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/posters/index.asp ps heard Richie Havens' "Woodstock" today on the radio, was pretty nice pps am I on a new list? Lori Fye wrote: > http://www.whitehouse.org/dof/faith-funding.asp > Lori > > ~ > "If wishes were motorcycles, all women would ride." > ~ > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [click here] > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JMDLPC/ > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > JMDLPC-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:24:53 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: [JMDLPC] U.S. Dept of Faith vljc **heard Richie Havens' "Woodstock" today on the radio, was pretty nice Isn't it though? That whole record is very good. I've always liked his vocal quality but never took it upon myself to hear an entire album, and I recommend it. Like I said before, it's got that real loose, easy early 70's folk-rock thing going on, but not in a pretentious way, but in a sincere warm real way. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:02:04 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: August 13 On August 13 the following articles were published: 1979: "The budding of a mighty force - Joni and Jazz" - Detroit News (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=839 1998: "A Joni-Come-Lately To Woodstock" - New York Daily News (Concert Preview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=220 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #231 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)