From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #229 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, August 11 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 229 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: k.d. lang's album - with joni content [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Are you a Verizon internet user? You may have a virus... [Jerry Notar] Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #339 [Kardinel@aol.com] Joni mention by Katie Melua in Q ["amelio747" ] Re: Joni mention by Katie Melua in Q ["Ron" ] Joni fans discussing ["Marianne Rizzo" ] les irvin!!! ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: les irvin!!! ["Richard Flynn" ] Today's Library Links: August 11 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 06:34:17 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: k.d. lang's album - with joni content **ACOY is great, but Jericho is even better. You know what bugs me about the ACOY cover though? Her alteration of the lyric to "go with it, stay with it" instead of "go with him (her), stay with him (her) if you can..." It sounds like nit-picking but I think the simple "if you can" just says so much. I suppose KD changed because she's a lesbian and didn't want to specify a gender, but besides the personalized correctness for her I think it takes a wee bit away. A minor point, however, and I'm certainly in the camp of those who think this album is terrific. It was funny - it came out the same day as TBOS, and after I left the record store I realized that I was so NOT interested in TBOS that I didn't even go to the Joni section and check it out. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:17:29 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Are you a Verizon internet user? You may have a virus... > Needless to say, usual advice applies: if you get a message > containing a zip file of about 30Kb in size, purporting to be > from someone you know, treat with caution. It's most likely to > be a virus. Or, get a Mac!!!!!! Jerry :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:03:15 EDT From: Kardinel@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2004 #339 About the new cd. I looked here where I live in several stores. There is not one Joni Mitchell cd in any of them except Border's and an independent music store. It is like she never existed and most people don't even know who she is. She is living in obscurity. Even people my age who bought her music stojpped at Blue or Court and Spark. She stopped writing in 97 and I would be happy if she wrote some songs for another singer at this point as I don't think she can struggle with singing anymore. It's sad. Also I would interested in her memoirs if she would write them. Has joni cashed in her chips? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:19:11 +0100 From: "amelio747" Subject: Joni mention by Katie Melua in Q 'Katie Melua on Easy Listening' Marcie - Joni Mitchell Lyrically, this I such a cleverly crafted record, with a recurring theme of the colours red and green to describe things like anger and jealousy. It's a really lovely song. Joni's on of the best. - ------------------------------------------------ That girl knows her music! I'm sure she also knows Joni isn't 'easy listening' as we do but of course everything must come with a label! Out of the other 19 songs she chose were Suzanne Vega's 'Caramel' and Bob Dylan's 'Isis' (and I thought I only liked that one)! NP: Song To A Seagull - Joni * * * * * * Stephen " The lower down you go to gain your momentum from, the higher up it'll propel ya' " - Judee Sill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:02:20 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: Joni mention by Katie Melua in Q hi >>>amelio wrote >>>>> and Bob Dylan's 'Isis' (and I thought I only liked that one)! well - i love isis. dont have the vaguest idea what its all about - but - i suspect - neither does bob :-) ron np - dan patlansky - got my geetar (a great guitarist in the stevie ray vaughn mold. if you want a copy get to jonifest & buy some raffle tix) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:59:10 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Joni fans discussing Hi everyone. . happy summer slipping through my fingertips!!!! where is it going? I am scared . . time is going by so fast. . faster than a new york minute and I am IN new york the earth is tipped on its axis or something not kidding something's happening here I am behind on many of my posts and am catching up now. . . I went to Cincinnati and then to eastern Kentucky with the Bree (cumberland, lynch. . black mountain). . . Stayed at the Old School House Inn. . in Benham. . . now there's a sweet place for a jonifest too. . I recommend the place if you are ever in eastern Kentucky. I had never been to eastern Kentucky (or Cincinnati for that matter) until now . . I brought Bree back to Rochester with me (actually West Rush where I live). . she's here now! What was I writing about? OH, *I just read this post by Debra and found it to be thought provoking and insightful. . . I liked it very much. oh, and we bought the cd (Beginning of Survival) about 10 days ago. . Why not? . . she's our girl. . . I would like to say something about the album. . but I really don't have much to say. . . I don't like the cover and I heard the songs before. I always want to see joni's artwork tho, what ever it may be. . . Marianne np: after the rain. . . sweet sun pouring in and Bree cleaning the bathroom >Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:54:59 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Joni fans discussing The archives contain all the posts and reactions and enthusiasm and criticism expressed when Joni did release new material, so you could find out what happens when fans here are excited about she's doing, if you wish. I remember people spontaneously coming up with the plan for all of us to buy as many copies of Joni's new release as we could afford on the day it comes out so it would register on whatever list keeps track of sales. There was such anticipation among her fans, Joni didn't have to ask us to do that. That plan was discussed for TTT and even BSN, and may have happened also with TI. This is the first time ever that Joni's made such a request. I still think this release is bizarre. With T'log, I thought she was finally free of the music business she's been bitching about for decades. Plus, it wasn't long ago that Joni was so annoyed about having to do a compilation (at the record company's demand) that she put her ass on the cover. The message given to the suits and to anyone who bought that cd was "kiss my ass." That's great. Shows spunk. And now she chooses and is excited about re-releasing old stuff? When her life is so different now? And the world is different than it was 20 years ago? It doesn't make any sense to me. I doubt if anyone who picks up BS thinking it's brand new will be pleased when they look at it more closely. (There's no song listing on the Amazon site, which seems deceptive to me.) And if BS is the first exposure to Joni for anyone, only someone who enjoys being scolded will want to buy more. They may never get to all those jewels she's given us, the carefully crafted cds of originals right up through TTT. I'm not impressed with her painting either, and find the portrait on the cover especially painful to look at. It's probably a flipped version because she used a device to project it on the canvas. Nothing wrong with that, but it would help get feeling into it (and into her other paintings, too) if she'd actually look at the real thing instead of relying on a photo or the projection. That cover portrait is oppressive, and I really hope that's not how she's feeling these days. The square shape conveys immobility and lack of energy, she's weighted down not only by that hat and hair (is that her bangs across her eyes?) but also by the heavy frame and, to make the image even more rigid, she's held in place by those gray bars of the background. Most importantly, it doesn't look like Joni. My first thought was that she looks like a sly fox with those beady eyes, cheek pouch and long nose -- not fox as in sexy but as in getting something over on people. I doubt, though, whether that was her intent. She's not that subtle when it comes to her painting, and I think the effect is from ineptness (or maybe lack of time) rather than deliberate. My guess is that she made her hand greenish so it wouldn't be noticeable and her face would stand out, or that hand is supposed to be in shadow, or, as someone mentioned, it's an "of the earth" hand. I like that last one, as though her hand has just been dipping into the dirt of "The Garden" (oh, but wait, the garden isn't mentioned on this cd...). Or it may have come out of a grave like in horror movies, ghoulish indeed! As she's always been, Joni's brave in releasing this compilation, and her courage is something I've always admired. I don't understand why she's doing this re-release and am not interested in buying it, but I am glad to see she's gotten at least one good review. I would expect this cd to be ignored by most critics. Joni herself knows something's wrong if she has to ask us to buy it. And to the chorus of people who get upset or angry whenever there's negative criticism of Joni, my understanding is that this is a "discussion" list, not a worship list. People get extremely quiet whenever anyone starts telling us to "let Joni do what she wants." Nothing we say will ever stop her from doing exactly what she wants. Joni's lucky that, 35 years into her music career, people are still looking closely enough and feel connected enough to have ANY opinion about what she's doing. Debra Shea NPIMH: Joni singing Stay in Touch< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:47:21 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: les irvin!!! this is absolutely joni content because we wouldn't have any place to fight over joni content if it weren't for him. les, my dear friend, have a very happy birthday!!!!!! (i guess it's still the 10th out west). with immense admiration and love, wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:26:12 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: les irvin!!! Yes, indeed Les, you dog! and you didn't even tell us over at the p2p. Happy birthday and many more! Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Wally Kairuz Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 11:47 PM To: NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com; JMDL; ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: les irvin!!! this is absolutely joni content because we wouldn't have any place to fight over joni content if it weren't for him. les, my dear friend, have a very happy birthday!!!!!! (i guess it's still the 10th out west). with immense admiration and love, wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:07:17 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: August 11 On August 11 the following article was published: 1975: "Elton John and Dylan Get Rock Prizes" - New York Times (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=823 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #229 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)