From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #223 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, August 5 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 223 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Customer reviews of TBOS [Lori Fye ] Re: JMDL,the past two weeks: A response. [Randy Remote ] Joni's KPFK interview ["Les Irvin" ] Re: Joni's KPFK interview ["Donna Binkley" ] What I did... [Michaelpaz@aol.com] ... and there's the other kind [simon@icu.com] Amazon Customer reviews of TBOS [simon@icu.com] Re: Joni's KPFK interview [Catherine McKay ] Re: Amazon Customer reviews of TBOS [Catherine McKay ] Today's Library Links: August 5 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:21:13 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Customer reviews of TBOS > It looks like the disagreements about the validity of this collection are > similar across the board - here's what they're saying on Amazon: > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B0002IQI9W/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/002-5390055-1617605?_encoding=UTF8&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER Hmm ... 5 of the 10 reviews praised TBOS for one reason or another. 2 are non-judgmental observations (and 1 of those still gave it 5 stars). There are only 3 bad reviews. Another way of looking at it: of the 50 stars available, TBOS received 35. That's a 70% approval rating. Percentage-wise, I'd say there are more fans of TBOS on Amazon than there are on the JMDL! (And is that first reviewer *our* Laurent?" Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 10:23:53 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: JMDL,the past two weeks: A response. I think your memory of the quote is correct-I did a new Google on it, and got lots of matches for "If it sounds good, it is good", and a couple that quoted Sir Duke as "If it sounds good and feels good, then it IS good! RR Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > RR---I am surprised that the quote attributed to Ellington reads so > differently in your sources from the way I remember it. > > But.... que sera, sera. > Take care, DL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:35:19 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Customer reviews of TBOS > Percentage-wise, I'd say there are more fans of TBOS on Amazon than there are > on > the JMDL! If one criticizes the packaging, it doesn't mean one is criticizing the contents! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:21:23 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Joni's KPFK interview Joniphiles - Lots of responses to my offer for this show! The only recordings that are currently available are of streams from the Internet which, as you know, can be somewhat tinny. A good FM (maybe even pre-FM) recording will be made available and distributed soon on the JMDL. In the meantime, you have a couple of options: 1) Listen to the audio stream via RealAudio *right now* directly from the JMDL website. Check the main page for the link. This version has the four songs edited out (they are the album versions anyway :-). 2) Join us at the file-sharing hub for immediate MP3 copies of both the edited and unedited versions of the interview. Check http://jmdl.com/p2pinfo.txt for more information on that. Enjoy! Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 15:26:02 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Joni's KPFK interview Awesome Les! You da man I'm listening to it RIGHT NOW! db >>> "Les Irvin" 8/4/2004 2:21:23 PM >>> Joniphiles - Lots of responses to my offer for this show! The only recordings that are currently available are of streams from the Internet which, as you know, can be somewhat tinny. A good FM (maybe even pre-FM) recording will be made available and distributed soon on the JMDL. In the meantime, you have a couple of options: 1) Listen to the audio stream via RealAudio *right now* directly from the JMDL website. Check the main page for the link. This version has the four songs edited out (they are the album versions anyway :-). 2) Join us at the file-sharing hub for immediate MP3 copies of both the edited and unedited versions of the interview. Check http://jmdl.com/p2pinfo.txt for more information on that. Enjoy! Les This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:56:22 EDT From: Michaelpaz@aol.com Subject: What I did... Hi All Back from summer vacation spent on Ono Island in Alabama/Florida border area. We spent a week fishing, swimming, wave running, sailing with the kids. Had lots of time to read relax and play guitar, but still feel like I need to check into a hospital for some serious relaxation. Glad to get a copy of the new Joni CD. Wonderful artwork and I think the songs sound really different and really good in alot of ways. You can hear so many things that were obscured by synths on the original releases. All in all I am happy to get it and have a new sequence to listen to the songs in and new sounds. Also FYI, I strongly siggest you check out my pal Marc Broussard's album Carencro released on the Island/Def Jam label yesterday. He is one helluva singer/songwriter and very souful and funky. CD on sale now for $10. Check him out at www.marcbroussard.com I just worked with him on the Christmas CD I am co-producing at the moment. He sings a song written by my sonwriter pals Will Robinson and Greg Barnhill (both very successful Nashville songwriters originally from Louisiana). I have produced 4 tracks on their album so far: Marc Broussard-On Santa's Way Home, the subdudes-Peace In The World, Allen Toussaint-The Day It Snows On Christmas, and BeauSoliel-Poppa St. Nick. I still might do one more track with the project if it works out. It should be out in late October and I think it is going to be amazing. Looking forward to Jonifest in the Catskills and seeing old and new friends. All you late bloomers sign up now for the final shindig in the mountains. Next stop L.A.? Honduras? Jimmy Stewarts house? Colorado? That's it for me for now. I am trying to catch up with the list. Hope all are well. Love Paz NP-Bring Me To Life-Evanesance with Paul McCoy of 12 Stones ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 18:14:38 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: ... and there's the other kind David Lahm writes ... >>Duke didn't say "If you like it, it's good." > > From every quotation I've ever seen attributed to him, > his words were: "If it sounds good, it IS good." > > I, for one, think these are not identical statements. > > DAVID LAHM David, i agree completely. they're not. Edward Kennedy "Duke" Ellington also said ... "They are really only two kinds of music. There's good music, and there's the other kind." perhaps the following will also be of interest. Ellington was without doubt the most remarkable jazz musician of all; indeed, his life, from 1899-1974, spanned virtually the entire history of jazz. Yet to speak of him simply in terms of the elusive, syncopated, Afro-American music we call jazz seems absurdly to underestimate him. "I don't write jazz, I write Negro folk music," he once observed, gently chiding me for an unwise question during a television interview. He used to say that the music he played had outgrown the word "jazz," which was increasingly true. "We've all worked and fought under the banner of jazz for many years, but the word itself has no meaning," he said on radio in 1968. "There's a form of condescension in it," by which he doubtless implied the Black-ghetto connotations of jazz in the public mind. From: DUKE - A Portrait Of Duke Ellington, by Derek Jewell, (c) 1977 Derek Jewel also pointed out ... Men from what are customarily conceived as different worlds of music from Ellington's--Percy Grainger Constant Lambert, Igor Stravinsky, Leopold Stokowski--all said at different times and in different fashions that he was one of the greatest living composers. Stravinsky, indeed, compared Ellington with Stravinsky, and when he arrived in New York for a visit in the 1930s told the reception committee (on being asked what he wanted to see) that his top priority was to hear Ellington play at the Cotton Club in Harlem, a venue quite unknown to the committee. Kenneth Tynan included Duke with Chaplin, Hemingway, Orson Wells, Cocteau, and Picasso as among those sharing "a fixed international reputation that can never be tarnished." From: DUKE - A Portrait Of Duke Ellington, by Derek Jewell, (c) 1977 ------- as for Joni ... "I want the full hyphen: folk-rock-country-jazz-classical . . . so finally when you get all the hyphens in, maybe they'll drop them all, and get down to just some American music." Although she is clearly a child of the great American popular tradition, there is no more serious artist on the contemporary scene than the composer-poet Joni Mitchell. Her work, like that of Duke Ellington and Stevie Wonder, transcends the limits imposed by the terms "popular" and "serious." Furthermore, her music-poetry is a remarkable example of the ever-present potential of the ancient unity.* Born in Canada, where she lived until early adulthood, Mitchell is a self-taught "natural" musician. She grew up listening to a variety of musicakl styles--classical, pop, rhythm and blues, country, etc.--heard, for the most part, on radio and records. Singing was only a hobby for the teenage Mitchell, while painting and poetry provided the outlet for her genius. The spark that ignited the artistic synthesis of these elements was provided the records of Bob Dylan. "I wrote poetry and painted all my life. I always wanted to play music and dabbled with it, but I never thought of putting them all together. It wasn't until Dylan began to write poetic songs that it occured to me that you could actually sing those poems." From: MUSIC - A Living Language, by Tom Manoff, (c) 1982 ----- independent of each other, both Joel Bernstein and I recommended this book to Susan Lacy during the research phase of the PBS documentary JONI MITCHELL - WOMAN OF HEART AND MIND. Joni was very appreciative of and deeply moved by the thoughtful analysis, and intelligent commentary provided by Tom Manoff in his 1982 TextBook. he's one of the few writers that actually "Got It", in her view. that's the main reason why Tom Manoff is one of the "talking heads" commentators included in WOHAM. at some point i'll either Scan or type up the entire Joni-Section of this book for inclusion in the JMDL Library. used copies are available from Amazon.com at the following URL: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/offer-listing/0393952207/qid=1091653079/sr=1-1/ref=sr_pb_a//104-5610331-0066354?condition=all i see 7-copies under $5.00 you can also check out URL: http://www.npr.org/programs/asc/features/manoff/ andmoreagain, - ------------------- simon * ANCIENT UNITY. An interesting discussion that occured in a college classroom recently illuminates an important understanding about music's historic meaning. A song was being examined from a structural point of view--poetic balance of the text, melodic shape, etc. One student seemed bewildered by the analysis and finally asked, "Are melody and words different parts? I really don't understand how they can be considered seperate." Although this question may seem unsophisticated, actually the opposite is true. The student's sense of the unity between melody and text is an important perception, historically accurate and still relevant to music's meaning. In its original and purest form, song was a spontaneous unity of melody and word. Poetry, as we know it, is a relatively late offspring of song. Song is the mother art. From: MUSIC - A Living Language, by Tom Manoff, (c) 1982 ----- andsoitgoes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 18:36:32 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Amazon Customer reviews of TBOS Bob writes ... > > It looks like the disagreements about the validity of this collection > are similar across the board - here's what they're saying on Amazon: > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B0002IQI9W/ref=cm_ > cr_dp_2_1/002-5390055-1617605?%5Fencoding=UTF8&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER_ Oh! I don't know about that! (across the board?) 6-of the 10-reviews on Amazon site are quite complimentary, in part. they're certainly more balanced than some of those i've read here. see/read for yourselves folks. ---------- From: Amazon.com Le debut de la survie..., August 2, 2004 Reviewer: Marboeuf L "Hejiraboy" (France) I'm a reviewer from France. It's even more unlikely that I'm only 23! This 1985-1998 period is to rediscover, some of Mitchell's great songs were written and recorded during that period. Too bad there's not that never-heard exclusive track but I'm sure she will release a real new album of real new songs by 2005, believe me. She is one of the 5 most important US/Canadian artists of the last 35/40 years, and I'm not saying "female artists", right? She's been largely ignored throughout her career but I think it's part of her "art", of her "muse", though it faded her wanting to make records..Anyway, "who cares?", like in "The Reoccurring Dream" - aren't we living in this kind of suffocating society, is that not relevant?. Joni Mitchell, and I say it as viewed from the Old Europe, is a very important figure of rock music so she deserves a little bit more that praises of BLUE, BLUE and BLUE. Stop filling up your rock magazines lists with BLUE, BLUE and again BLUE. > OK, this is a masterpiece of the kind, but she made other things, > and this recent compilation is one of these other things. Joni, on t'aime ! LAURENT, from France. Hejiraboy@yahoo.fr ---------- A Thoughtful Anthology of Mitchell's Last Twenty Years, July 29, 2004 Reviewer: Juan Mobili (Valley Cottage, NY) Several things you need to know upfront. There are no new songs here although all of them have been remastered, and they only include material from the eighties on. This is a thematic anthology, songs Joni felt belong together because each of them address the world we live in, at least the way she's seen it. Once you know this, the album gains a certain poignancy and cohesion that most collections or "greatest hits" albums do not achieve. At the same time, it forces the choices to include songs you may not regard among her greatest compositions, and excludes some stunning examples of her work. Among the gems, I count "Reocurring Dream," "Magdalene Laundries," "Slouching Towards Bethlehem" and "Passion Play," to name a few but not to imply they are the only ones. In the other hand, there are some song which I'd considered second row -and they are "second row" only because Joni's output, through all these years, has been so phenomenal- such as "Dog Eat Dog" or "Lakota." Add to this that the digipak presentation here is as exquisite as anything Mitchell has ever released in the past, including some great reproductions of Joni's paintings -which may not be masterpieces in your book but must be recognized as the work of a serious and talented artist. > if you do not own these songs, this is a must; if you are a completist, > you already bought it. If you do not belong to either group, you may > at least gather together these songs and play them. Mitchell > deserves at least that, together these songs articulate the vision > of a singer and songwriter who, certainly in my case, has helped > me to understand this beautiful and mad and, at times cruel, world of us ---------- Fans already own this material. 2 and 3 times over., July 29, 2004 Reviewer: Darren La Salle (Melbourne, Fl) I have been a fan of Joni's for at least 12 years. In that time i have bought each album she has released. I enjoy her later work, especially the re-interpretation of earlier material with full orchestra, as well as her foray into standards and jazz. I am uncomfortable with this new phase she has entered. I believe compilations such as this (with the exception of box sets) are to be reserved for a foreign release or a deceased artist. With the purchase of this album, I now have three copies of the exact same version of 8 of these songs and 2 copies of the other 8. So, for my money, I have purchased her artwork, which I believe should be published in a larger, more appropriate medium(an art book), and a letter from Chief Seattle to "The President". I am left with the impression that she not only didn't want to record new material, she didn't want to expend the energy or time to write her own liner notes! > The music is great, the concept is great, Joni is great, However, I will not follow her blindly and purchase another album like this unless it has some form of unreleased or original MUSIC. I work too hard to throw money away like this. ---------- another pass at some overlooked gems, July 28, 2004 Reviewer: reubella (Philadelphia, PA) > These tracks from 1985's Dog Eat Dog through 1998's > Taming The Tiger represent some of Joni's most ambitious > (and overlooked) work. Give them another listen - these > remastered versions sound wonderful. This is Joni Mitchell > with a little bite - A Case of You is fading quickly in the rear-view > mirror... Standouts for me include the meloncholy Passion Play > and Impossible Dreamer, and the pissed off Tax Free. Buy this CD! ---------- Joni, so observant ..., July 27, 2004 Reviewer: J. Bilby "littlebibs" (Kingston, N.H.) ...and always so wise Timely, beautiful, bombastic, in your face but laying the ground work for what has come to be... Joni's work through the past couple decades has not met with everyones liking. She was and continues to be) such a tremendous visionary and such a simple joy at the same time. Over the past decade she's given those who have stuck with her muse some wonderfully inventive & creative offerings. Critics generally have not been kind to Joni's work, they don't want women preaching about the wows of the world in music, leave that to the "boys" (Henley, Bono etc.) right? I think she's a terrific painter, I would love the privilege to own anything shes painted ... Things like life have continued to get more complicated and Joni's work always seemed to pick up on these unsettled details in day to day living. Listening to these songs as "THE BEGINNING OF SURVIVAL", I can appreciate her connections to the land and to our countries increasingly bizarre cultural mindset. America has been forced to deal with itself and where its heading? Not the best of times, for sure. Joni Mitchell has given us many songs on this collection to ponder about and the music rides right along, yes, bombastic when need be and the beauty always shines through these lessons in survival. When I listen to her songs regarding religion I can understand how this was just the beginning of where we are at (1985 PTL, Farwell, Robertson) and how the seperation of Church and State has been blurred so badly the right is so desperately trying to run everything, make everyone just like each other, thats scarey for those who love the freedom to be who theyare. > Joni has given us great music, wonderful paintings, > much to think about , listen up, she can ruminate > all shes wantes about life.. I'm listening... have been > all along. Well thought out collection of Joni's music > from the middle 80's into the 90's. Joni Mitchell, > the Impossible Dreamer. ---------- some of her best for a good reason, July 27, 2004 Reviewer: tompan "tompanus" (CARLSBAD, CA) OK, before we all go trashing Joni for releasing this compilation of some of her most pointed observational/social-conscience songs as being crabby again, let's put it in perspective. First of all she hasn't been a willowy-wispy-hippie folksinger for decades, and... she started singing lower on Mingus which was also decades ago--so get over it!! These are songs from her later period which is also her most adventurous and creative of her many different periods. She's making a statement with this collection about the world we live in today. Yes Joni perfected the confessional singer-songwriter genre but how much further could she go? After that it's as if she said: OK, I've looked within and shared, now it's time for you (the listener) to take a look at yourself and the world. Part of the song writer's job is to open our eyes. Joni's been holding up the mirror for us, just like many other song writers do. > The main point of these songs is that even though they > were written and released years ago, they are so relevant > today. That's how they should be listened to and they do > deserve a re-listen if you're familiar with them. If you're > not familiar with them, you're in for an awakening. ---------- some see what they want to see. personally, although I Wouldn't have compiled a Geffen-era anthology without "Moon At The Window" or "Be Cool", or organized one around Joni's 'Political Songs', IT IS a perfectly VALID concept. and there may well be one or more others after! DREAMLAND. no one's forced to buy andmoreagain, - ------------------- simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:52:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's KPFK interview --- Les Irvin wrote: > 2) Join us at the file-sharing hub for immediate MP3 > copies of both the > edited and unedited versions of the interview. > Check > http://jmdl.com/p2pinfo.txt for more information on > that. > I've got the edited (without music) version now in my p2p shared folder. Les, what songs are on the unedited version? Is it worth downloading both, on the basis that A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE may decide to join and the more people there are that have this stuff, the more it can be shared. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:17:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Amazon Customer reviews of TBOS --- simon@icu.com wrote: > > 6-of the 10-reviews on Amazon site are quite > complimentary, in part. > they're certainly more balanced than some of those > i've read here. I enjoy reading reviews on Amazon because, for the most part, they're from people who may already be fans of whoever they're reviewing. For the most part, these reviews are complimentary - but then again, would YOU be checking out reviews of the work of an artist you weren't interested in? Probably not. the thing about the Amazon reviews is, they're usually from regular people, from all walks of life and of all different ages. As such, IMO, they're probably lacking the snootiness that some professional reviewers have and they're there, warts and all, horrible spelling and sad grammar sometimes - but generally honest stuff and it's good to read them when you're checking something out, in order to get a real cross-section of opinion about things. Rarely will you get someone saying, "This sucks!" but, even if they do, as long as they say why they think it sucks, it's another point of view to look at. But that's just my opinion! Simon also said: "personally, although I Wouldn't have compiled a Geffen-era anthology without "Moon At The Window" or "Be Cool", or organized one around Joni's 'Political Songs', IT IS a perfectly VALID concept. "and there may well be one or more others after! DREAMLAND. "no one's forced to buy" Me now: 'Moon at the Window' and 'Be cool' are definitely my favourites from that era. And I'm changing my mind about whether or not to buy this one - as it happens, I might just do so. I RECANT! the reason being, if you look at these as "concept" albums, for lack of a better phrase, it is true that you could make your own mix of all the songs from albums you already have, but it doesn't cost a whole lot more just to buy the CD as is (plus its art, love it or hate it). Another lister, and I'm sorry but I don't remember who, said s/he thought Joni might have chosen this time quite deliberately to come out with her "scolding" songs, to make this political statement with the US election on its way. And a number of people here on list and in other places are comparing these times to the VietNam War era, so it's appropriate. (I've downloaded the interview on the P2P thing... but haven't listened to it yet - yeesh, where is time? and when I get a quiet moment to actually listen, without being interrupted by children and pets, I'd love to hear what Joan has to say these days.) Am likewise looking forward now to the "Dreamland" thing, because we could all use a few good dreams these days. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:05:15 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Amazon Customer reviews of TBOS **some see what they want to see. So true - just in case my words were misunderstood, what I was trying to imply was that opinions were mixed on these Amazon reviewers just like they were here. Some loved it, others didn't see the point. While I'm firmly entrenched in the latter group, I thought the JMDL would appreciate reading what others had to say. Sorry if my post was not stated clearly. Bob NP: Elliott Smith, "Son of Sam" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:26:25 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Amazon Customer reviews of TBOS Listening to the interview made me change my mind about buying TBOS, too. That, and the realization that I only own Dog Eat Dog on LP. I really don't think Joni is a "sophisticated" political thinker and my late wife, Patti, who much more of a rationalist than I, said when the 80s & even early 90s stuff was coming out, "you know, you agree with her about the political positions, but there's something embarrassing about these songs." Still we both would buy anything by Joni. And it would be an event to listen to something new. I'm disappointed still that there is nothing "new" but Joni's tough and winning ways in the interview are making me shell out my 12 or thirteen bucks. I won't get it for awhile because to get free shipping it'll be sent when the 10 buck Refuge of the Roads DVD is sent (along with the FINALLY released on CD & WITH bonus cuts, "The Name of This Band is 'Talking Heads.'") Lack of sophistication aside, the stuff Joni says about the marginalization of emotion and the body, as well as her call for some liberal politician to take a chance and feel like it's ok to express outrage--she was quite taken with Al Sharpton's speech at the Demo Convention), as well as her pragmatism when the Pacifica host wanted her to take more radical (and less nuanced) postitions than she was willing to take---- all this makes me love her for her honesty and commitment and artistry. The short version: since I was one of the detractors about this set, I just thought I'd say that Joni won me over in the interview. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 8:17 PM To: simon@icu.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Amazon Customer reviews of TBOS --- simon@icu.com wrote: > > 6-of the 10-reviews on Amazon site are quite > complimentary, in part. > they're certainly more balanced than some of those > i've read here. I enjoy reading reviews on Amazon because, for the most part, they're from people who may already be fans of whoever they're reviewing. For the most part, these reviews are complimentary - but then again, would YOU be checking out reviews of the work of an artist you weren't interested in? Probably not. the thing about the Amazon reviews is, they're usually from regular people, from all walks of life and of all different ages. As such, IMO, they're probably lacking the snootiness that some professional reviewers have and they're there, warts and all, horrible spelling and sad grammar sometimes - but generally honest stuff and it's good to read them when you're checking something out, in order to get a real cross-section of opinion about things. Rarely will you get someone saying, "This sucks!" but, even if they do, as long as they say why they think it sucks, it's another point of view to look at. But that's just my opinion! Simon also said: "personally, although I Wouldn't have compiled a Geffen-era anthology without "Moon At The Window" or "Be Cool", or organized one around Joni's 'Political Songs', IT IS a perfectly VALID concept. "and there may well be one or more others after! DREAMLAND. "no one's forced to buy" Me now: 'Moon at the Window' and 'Be cool' are definitely my favourites from that era. And I'm changing my mind about whether or not to buy this one - as it happens, I might just do so. I RECANT! the reason being, if you look at these as "concept" albums, for lack of a better phrase, it is true that you could make your own mix of all the songs from albums you already have, but it doesn't cost a whole lot more just to buy the CD as is (plus its art, love it or hate it). Another lister, and I'm sorry but I don't remember who, said s/he thought Joni might have chosen this time quite deliberately to come out with her "scolding" songs, to make this political statement with the US election on its way. And a number of people here on list and in other places are comparing these times to the VietNam War era, so it's appropriate. (I've downloaded the interview on the P2P thing... but haven't listened to it yet - yeesh, where is time? and when I get a quiet moment to actually listen, without being interrupted by children and pets, I'd love to hear what Joan has to say these days.) Am likewise looking forward now to the "Dreamland" thing, because we could all use a few good dreams these days. ===== Catherine Toronto - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 21:42:53 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: the interview made me change my mind Richard Flynn comments ... > > Listening to the interview made me change my mind about > buying TBOS, too. That, and the realization that I only own > "Dog Eat Dog" on LP. > in that case i strongly suggest that you Run! right out, don't walk ... ya gotta get "NIGHT RIDE HOME" it's clearly the masterpiece of the Geffen period. i kid you not. andmoreagain, - -------------------- simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 22:59:12 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Woman of Heart and Mind" is letter-boxed I was messing with my DVD player this week and realized that 1. The factory setting is to "pan-and-scan" rather than "letterbox". That means that every time I've seen WOHAM, it's chopped off the left and right side. The box clearly says "16:9". It's 16 units wide and 9 units wide, meaning Lacy's film is nearly twice as wide as it is tall. It's the shape of a theatrical 35mm movie- rectangular, not nearly square like TV news. Anyway, I set it on Letter box, then set it a "negative" zoom setting. 2. The TV set has been throwing away even more detail: top, bottom, right, and left. TV technicians call it "overscan". Anyway, I have never actually seen what Susan Lacy intended so tonight I'll run it again. All the best, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:09:33 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Wild Things Run Fast - Naughty? Also - Philly 1976 concert KindTaper said in part, >Just enjoying WTRF for the first time. Looking through the inside cover (it's a record), I noticed a peculiar painting of two horses who, shall we say, seem to be enjoying each other's company.> I wasn't raised in a barn (although I cuss like it when I'm trying beat a deadline). I won't interpret the SK wonder except to say that some clues to the horses are in the lyrics to the song http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/ and in the video version of "Wild Things Run Fast". You'll find the later KICKING OFF off the DVD called "Refuge Of the Roads", to be released uhhmm... Soon. Lama July 27: "Beginning Of Suvival", an anthology CD. ?: "Refuge Of the Roads" DVD on Shout! Entertainment. September 14: "Snapshots In A Diary", an anthology of some kind on Rhino Records. (?) Wayne Shorter on Joni's version of "A Bird That Whistles" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 00:38:29 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: the interview made me change my mind Oh Simon. I own everything of Joni's (except for the Geffen Box and, until amazon delievers it, TBOS. I do indeed love Night Ride Home, and Turbulent Indigo, Taming the Tiger somewhat less, I'm afraid. I bought my first Joni Mitchell album in 1968, and I'd been waiting for it to come out for two years. I even own BSN and even own and LIKE some of TLog. There's no fan more loyal than I, though there are many here just as loyal, I'm sure. - -----Original Message----- From: simon@icu.com [mailto:simon@icu.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 9:43 PM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: rflynn@frontiernet.net Subject: the interview made me change my mind Richard Flynn comments ... > > Listening to the interview made me change my mind about > buying TBOS, too. That, and the realization that I only own > "Dog Eat Dog" on LP. > in that case i strongly suggest that you Run! right out, don't walk ... ya gotta get "NIGHT RIDE HOME" it's clearly the masterpiece of the Geffen period. i kid you not. andmoreagain, - -------------------- simon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 00:47:36 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: the interview made me change my mind I see where the confusion came from--my misplaced "only"--I'm a very naughty English professor. I meant I own Dog Eat Dog only on lp and not on CD and so it would be a pain for me to program TBOS on my own. I used to own WTRF only on lp, but I bought it on CD later on. I bought Joni only (haha) on CD beginning with NRH. I've rebought lots of Joni on CD & some of it I bought once on CD & then On HDCD enchanced CD. This format stuff I think is the source of disgruntlement here. So many of us have bought Joni stuff in multiple formats. Now that I have very nice CD, are there any takers out there for my Beta videotape of *Shadows and Light*? I no longer have a Betamax. ;-) Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of simon@icu.com Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 9:43 PM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: rflynn@frontiernet.net Subject: the interview made me change my mind Richard Flynn comments ... > > Listening to the interview made me change my mind about > buying TBOS, too. That, and the realization that I only own > "Dog Eat Dog" on LP. > in that case i strongly suggest that you Run! right out, don't walk ... ya gotta get "NIGHT RIDE HOME" it's clearly the masterpiece of the Geffen period. i kid you not. andmoreagain, - -------------------- simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 23:32:43 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Joni's KPFK interview > I've got the edited (without music) version now in my p2p > shared folder. Les, what songs are on the unedited version? > Is it worth downloading both, on the basis that A WHOLE BUNCH > OF PEOPLE may decide to join and the more people there are > that have this stuff, the more it can be shared. There are four songs - all album versions: Cool Water No Apologies Beat of Black Wings Magdelene Laundries Les ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 02:00:57 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: August 5 On August 5 the following articles were published: 1971: "Blue" - Rolling Stone (Review - Album, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=252 1979: "Joni Shines in Concert" - Daily Oklahoman (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=837 1988: "Sioux Indians Take Their Crusade for Justice to Mt Rushmore" - PR Newswire (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1098 1994: "Edmonton Folk Festival Press Conference " - Edmonton Folk Festival (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=650 1994: "Edmonton Press Conference" - NA (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=965 1994: "Edmonton Press Conference (Part 2)" - NA (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=966 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #223 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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