From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #216 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, July 29 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 216 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- something happening here . . . [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: Joni fans diss-cussing [Jerry Notaro ] Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Re: something happening here . . . [Jenny Goodspeed ] JMDL,the past two weeks: A response. [Warrenkeith91354@aol.com] k.d. lang Joni covers [Mike Friedman ] Fw: Joni fans diss-cussing ["Caio Nehring" ] Joni On the Radio (08-03-04 / 4pm / KFPK 90.7FM) [simon@icu.com] Re: (TBOS) Why re-release the Geffen material? [] RE: (TBOS) Why re-release the Geffen material? ["Azeem" ] New photo of Joni? [Richard Goldman ] Re: All I want revisited [Lori Fye ] 27 July: the timing was too perfect ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: (TBOS) Why re-release the Geffen material? [Randy Remote ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:49:17 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: something happening here . . . What's up with this? I just opened my mailbox and I have 20 email messages from the JMDL -- all with Joni content! Where are the death taxes discussions? The gay threads? How about politics? We're in the middle of a political convention, for cryin' out loud. Since someone brought up the point about Joni perhaps making an artistic statement about declining health with what Muller so descriptively named the ghoul hand, I have been wondering about something that's probably none of my business. Remember when Joni was still searching for Kilauren and she said she had important health-related information for her? Could polio or post-polio syndrome affect the biological child of a mother who had been afflicted by the disease in her youth? Dr. L? Do you know? I have refrained from asking this question for years, but if Joni is trying to tell us something with the ghoul hand, then I am asking. Also, after nearly 8 months of not smoking, I am finding it harder than ever to defend Joni's (or anyone's) choice to do so. It's sooo awful for the human body. And smelly. And unsexy. I am grateful I have gotten this far and I hope my quitting lasts because life -- no matter what it has thrown at me -- has been better without smoking than it ever was with those addictive little buggers. Joni, if you're reading this because you're curious about reactions to your, ahem, "new" CD, THROW THOSE DAMN CANCER STICKS AWAY! If I can do it, YOU can do it. Damn, if you can create "Hejira," you can probably do just about anything. XO, - --Smurfelicious, who used to be known as "Wheezey" "Today is a gift. That's why they call it the present!" - --a quotation from Kiki & Herb in the latest Michael Musto Village Voice column ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:50:23 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni fans diss-cussing >> I guess I just keep hearing my partner Mary in the back of my mind, saying the > reason she doesn't want much to do with the JMDL is because we're a bunch of > self-righteous know-it-alls who have have an opinion about everything, and > we're music snobs to boot. I'm beginning to agree with her. > > Lori > I'll take that as a compliment :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:04:17 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) Randy writes: << It might seem that way, but we only know about what we know about. >> Also, the American Masters program showed clips edited from all kinds of interesting looking stuff that I've never seen. Plus I keep thinking that Joni's got vaultloads of stuff from the days when she had a home recording studio. - --Smurfinella "Today is a gift. That's why they call it the present!" - --a quotation from Kiki & Herb in the latest Michael Musto Village Voice column ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:16:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: something happening here . . . Are you crazy Smurf? As it is, the TBOS (aka BS) and Joni-criticism debate is a raging inferno and you've got the nerve to bring up Joni and smoking?! A brave soul indeed. Congrats on your upcoming 8 month milestone, Jenny Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: What's up with this? I just opened my mailbox and I have 20 email messages from the JMDL -- all with Joni content! Where are the death taxes discussions? The gay threads? How about politics? We're in the middle of a political convention, for cryin' out loud. Since someone brought up the point about Joni perhaps making an artistic statement about declining health with what Muller so descriptively named the ghoul hand, I have been wondering about something that's probably none of my business. Remember when Joni was still searching for Kilauren and she said she had important health-related information for her? Could polio or post-polio syndrome affect the biological child of a mother who had been afflicted by the disease in her youth? Dr. L? Do you know? I have refrained from asking this question for years, but if Joni is trying to tell us something with the ghoul hand, then I am asking. Also, after nearly 8 months of not smoking, I am finding it harder than ever to defend Joni's (or anyone's) choice to do so. It's sooo awful for the human body. And smelly. And unsexy. I am grateful I have gotten this far and I hope my quitting lasts because life -- no matter what it has thrown at me -- has been better without smoking than it ever was with those addictive little buggers. Joni, if you're reading this because you're curious about reactions to your, ahem, "new" CD, THROW THOSE DAMN CANCER STICKS AWAY! If I can do it, YOU can do it. Damn, if you can create "Hejira," you can probably do just about anything. XO, - --Smurfelicious, who used to be known as "Wheezey" "Today is a gift. That's why they call it the present!" - --a quotation from Kiki & Herb in the latest Michael Musto Village Voice column New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 14:08:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Stancliffe Subject: Joni encounter Randy wrote: It's possible that she was talking about Hits and Misses, which came out 9 mos after this show. Then again, H&M were compilation albums, not a box set by any stretch of the imagination. I think there is still hope-look how long she's been "working" on her bio book. RR >>Now me: I've been away from the list for quite a while and I was usually a lurker while on the list, but I thought I'd pass along that a colleague of mine has had 2 meetings with Joni in the last few weeks, and tells me that Joni hasn't even started writing the book that was announced several years ago. My colleague repeated many of the observations of other JMDLrs: how open and friendly Joni is, how she does appreciate fans coming up and telling her how much her music has meant to them, etc., and Joni drives a Lexus SC430. Andy Stancliffe Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:52:06 EDT From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: JMDL,the past two weeks: A response. After reading some of the responses to TBOS over the past two weeks I've been hesitant to open my digest the last few days. Give the woman a break...I mean really! The "ghoulish hand" thing was a bit over the top in my opinion. First off an artist may paint a hand any color they choose; secondly reproductions of paintings are not usually true to the actual colors painted. Having been schooled as a painter one thing is mentioned by almost all experienced painters, a true flesh color is probably the last and most boring choice an artist can make. (Not to mention usually the most inappropriate.) A color is only as good as the colors that surround it and those color always effect ones perception of each of them. A green placed next to a blue looks totally different from that same green placed next to an orange; sometimes the most obvious choice is all wrong. I'm not saying Joni's choice was good or bad, only that any form of artistic expression is an experiment, generally benefiting the creator more than the observer. At it's best...benefiting both and causing a reaction in the observer as well as the creator. In the end it is actually the process not the end product that is of the most value to the creator. I would add that once you put your work in the public arena it is fair game; at least have some knowledge about the process, i.e., painting, before you criticize the results. I couldn't agree more with Mia's assessment of Joni's post polio syndrome. In fact I mentioned, in a post of a year or so ago, as a defense of Joni's possible frustration with a painful reaction and lack of function in her hands and its direct effect on her ability to create new material. ( I never got a response to that post.) If Joni can make some cash as a result of repackaging her material I say more power to her. She deserve any and all monetary reward she can get for the joy she has brought to all our lives. Granted...I would be very sad if she didn't release any new material all I'm saying is...let the woman make a living...and that's the truth! Jonily yours, Warren Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:10:17 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: k.d. lang Joni covers Oh my god. k.d. lang has always been one of my favorites, but her cover of "Case of You" is SO beautiful....Just her fantastic voice and a piano..... Now for Jericho..... Also incredibly lovely......with a little strings in the background......it's such a sweet (slighly bittersweet?), but ultimately happy love song. ========================================= "I'm porous with travel fever, but you know I'm so glad to be on my own. Still somehow the slightest touch of a stranger can set up trembling in my bones. I know, no one's gonna show me everything, we all come and go alone. Each so deep and superficial, between the forceps and the stone." - --Joni Mitchell, "Hejira", 1976 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:00:51 -0300 From: "Caio Nehring" Subject: Fw: Joni fans diss-cussing I still did not get all the fuzz and diss-cussion about joni doing this or doing that, or better, not doing this or that. Don't i get it because i'm a foreiger? Explaining myself: i live in Brazil, joni is not released down here (the last one was TTiger), we don't usualy hear her songs on the radio (sometimes you can hear one or two songs, BSN or BYT being the average pattern, in a classic rock radio station sponsored by CBS called "Kiss"...), no tv appearences, no radio interviews bla bla bla. None of that. Down here, It's like she doesn't exist at all. My only link/contact to joni is the list and jonimitchell.com, and of course, all my records, cds, tapes, mp3 etc...i didn't even know how she'd look by now 'till i bought her dvd (Woman of Heart and Mind), and of course, was driven to tears and intense emotion at every 5 minutes, through her history and life and times and songs...wow! It was glorious. Or like i wrote once to the list ("Joni's music & voice has been an epiphany in my life for nearly 35 years") and like Crosby said in the dvd...it was epiphanic and you can add epiphany on that... Well, getting to the point: what is the real problem if she's not (yet...) releasing new songs, new albums or it's just re-releasing or or or or? When Travelogue was released, all i heard was (apparently) people complaining about this and that, that her vocal range was not what it used to be, that "cherokee louise" wasn't as good as it was originally and the orchestra this, and her smoking voice that, and the order of the songs should be different...wow, man!!! Almost nobody (pardon: SOME people did) said "It's fantastic, it's beautiful, it's touching, it's a great album, it fulffilled me with great music and great performances, her rendition of Cherokee is stunning with that soft orchestra behind...It seemed to me that IT WASN'T enough for anybody. Like she hadn't done anything...And she did. And how beautifully she did it... To me, "Every little thing she does is magic". To me, the last one is not as good as the next one and the next one...not so good as the following one. With one thing in common: they're unique, they're great, always. "...if we hold Joni to a higher standard, so be it. It is what attracted us to her in the first place. I believe the only person who can or should hold Joni to any standard is Joni herself. Lori " To me, anything coming from joni it's plain profit. Kinda Bliss. Does it happen this way just because i live outside USA or Canada and Joni's world is a distant land and her "production" more difficult to get hold of, besides being more expensive and heavily taxed as import items in Brazil? Or it it's just the old "the most difficult, the more you desire it"? By the way, who's Britney Spears? A silicon factory or what? greetings to everyone. Caio Nehring NP - Roy Harper - The game - HQ Jugula - entire cd - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" To: "Joni List" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 3:18 PM Subject: Re: Joni fans diss-cussing You mean we shouldn't expect more from her artistically than we would from Britney Spears? Jerry opined: And, if we hold Joni to a higher standard, so be it. It is what attracted us to her in the first place. I believe the only person who can or should hold Joni to any standard is Joni herself. Lori obs>GREAT!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:19:45 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Joni On the Radio (08-03-04 / 4pm / KFPK 90.7FM) Richard Flynn writes > > Subject: Joni Radio Alert > > My friend Aldon from Santa Barbara writes: > > > > Joni Mithcell is on KPFK on Tuesday, August 3 > I definitely heard that part of the announcement > the URL for listening on line is: http://www.kpfk.org/ > > I can't find anything about her visit on the web site, > but I'm PRETTY sure the time will be 7:00 PM your time -- > > > > My time is Eastern time, btw > > Does anyone else have this information? Richard, Yes! this information IS correct. Joni will be visiting Los Angeles radio station KPFK 90.7FM next Tuesday afternoon for a Conversation/Interview. the program will be broadcast from 4:00-to-5:00pm (CA. time), and is hosted by Aura Bogado. i'm told that she calls her program RadioActive but that's not a Title you'll see in the Program Grid on the KPFK Website. you'll simply see the names Aura Bogado/Alex Ko. THAT's the program. hope this helps. andmoreagain, - ------------------- simon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:22:02 +0300 (EEST) From: Subject: Re: (TBOS) Why re-release the Geffen material? >the GEFFEN Boxed set was a ReMastered ReIssue of all four albums >Joni recorded for Geffen Records. > >given the improvement over the years in digital technology, these new >96k/24-Bit >ReIssues present a clear sonic improvement over the '80s and '90s vintage CDs. > >after all, the 1st album of the Geffen era, WTRF, was released 22 >years ago - back >when digital recording/mastering was still in it's infancy. > >even NIGHT RIDE HOME, the one clear Certified MASTERPIECE! of the Geffen era >was released 13 years ago. > >the 4 Geffen Albums were Long OVERdue for UpGraded ReMastering. >after all, the Reprise albums and the Elektra/Asylum catalog were all >remastered in the late '90s. > >despite the negative attitudes of some, the only real question is why >it took Geffen Records so long to get around to doing the right thing. > >that some don't like all, or any, of these Albums really doesn't have anything >to do with a certain responsibility on the part of Geffen Records to see that >this material remains available and in the best available sound quality. > I apologize if I've missed some crucial information, but are the Geffen box CD's really remastered? A while ago, I compared the box set CD's to the original ones. Apart from a slight improvement in clarity on WFRI and possibly DED, and overall increase in volume, I really couldn't hear the typical improvements remastering usually produces. At best remastering reveals detail and depth you didn't even know was there, but as hard as I tried, I came to the conclusion that the box set CD's had simply been mastered _again_, not actually remastered. I even made a blind test: I copied tracks to PC, matched the sound levels and fooled myself a couple of times that I was hearing improvement in sound - only to discover that I was listening to the original CD... The 1985 CD sounds as tinny as CD's from this period usually do and the box set CD sounds identical. LP still sounds better. Also, it actually doesn't say on the box set booklet that the material is REmastered. In my opinion, these releases still remain the only Joni albums that haven't been properly re-released - remastered and with full artwork. - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:41:32 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: (TBOS) Why re-release the Geffen material? simon added to his post: < PS: Joni thinks that the Geffen era material is her Best! work. > As far as I'm concerned, this just goes to show that artistes are often not the best judges of their own work! I can think of many instances of artists trying to convince us that such-and-such is the best thing they've ever done. Bob Geldof telling us Never in a Million Years is his best song ever. David Bowie opining that Can't Explain is his best cover. Paul Weller telling us You're The Best Thing was the best single of that year by anyone. Lou Reed saying pretty much anything about his work. The list is endless. We all have our own opinions, worth as much or as little as each other's; the only one I value more is my own, because it *is* my own and I tend to agree with it; the only opinion I value *less* is that of the artiste! They're the last people to listen to when trying to form an opinion as to the merits of their oeuvre. Azeem in London, NP: Kate Rogers - St Eustacia - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.713 / Virus Database: 469 - Release Date: 30/06/2004 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:12:10 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Joni On the Radio (08-03-04 / 4pm / KFPK 90.7FM) > Joni will be visiting Los Angeles radio station KPFK 90.7FM > next Tuesday afternoon for a Conversation/Interview. Californians... Who's taping? Certainly we can all get a web feed but it'd be nice to have a tape off FM. Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:20:24 -0400 From: "Rob Argento" Subject: RE: something happening here . . . Born again smokers - that is those who have stopped smiking have some sort of strmking relationship to Born-Again Christians - who are known for being a lot less judgemental the first time around. OK, I get your point. But Joni's (or anyone elses lifestyle for that matter) is actually none of our business however well-meaning the intention is. Robban from Sweden. (non-smoker but hopefully not "Born Again") - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Goodspeed Sent: den 28 juli 2004 17:16 To: Smurfycopy@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: something happening here . . . Are you crazy Smurf? As it is, the TBOS (aka BS) and Joni-criticism debate is a raging inferno and you've got the nerve to bring up Joni and smoking?! A brave soul indeed. Congrats on your upcoming 8 month milestone, Jenny Smurfycopy@aol.com wrote: What's up with this? I just opened my mailbox and I have 20 email messages from the JMDL -- all with Joni content! Where are the death taxes discussions? The gay threads? How about politics? We're in the middle of a political convention, for cryin' out loud. Since someone brought up the point about Joni perhaps making an artistic statement about declining health with what Muller so descriptively named the ghoul hand, I have been wondering about something that's probably none of my business. Remember when Joni was still searching for Kilauren and she said she had important health-related information for her? Could polio or post-polio syndrome affect the biological child of a mother who had been afflicted by the disease in her youth? Dr. L? Do you know? I have refrained from asking this question for years, but if Joni is trying to tell us something with the ghoul hand, then I am asking. Also, after nearly 8 months of not smoking, I am finding it harder than ever to defend Joni's (or anyone's) choice to do so. It's sooo awful for the human body. And smelly. And unsexy. I am grateful I have gotten this far and I hope my quitting lasts because life -- no matter what it has thrown at me - -- has been better without smoking than it ever was with those addictive little buggers. Joni, if you're reading this because you're curious about reactions to your, ahem, "new" CD, THROW THOSE DAMN CANCER STICKS AWAY! If I can do it, YOU can do it. Damn, if you can create "Hejira," you can probably do just about anything. XO, - --Smurfelicious, who used to be known as "Wheezey" "Today is a gift. That's why they call it the present!" - --a quotation from Kiki & Herb in the latest Michael Musto Village Voice column New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 15:19:18 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: New photo of Joni? I think I have a new(ish) photo of Joni, with a can of Tecate beer... Maybe it's new, or maybe you all have seen it a gazillion times, it's new to me. Do people know which one I'm talking about? or ... do I have an original? A friend just sent it to me .... someone close to the editor of Painting With Words & Music . . . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:55:58 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: All I want revisited I've already written to you privately, Catherine, but ... > I am on a lonely road and I am bored, Joan, > Waiting for something new from you > Oh the Geffen stuff, the Geffen stuff is a re-release > It's a re-re-release > And it undoes all the good that once was > Give us something fun! Make us shine like the sun! > You gotta be the one that we want to hear > No more starry nights! > No green hands that give a fright! > You need to make us feel better > You owe us, Joni, > You owe us, Joni dear! I'm STILL cracking up! You hit it DEAD ON. Lori ~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:02:21 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: 27 July: the timing was too perfect I didn't know that Ritts made that ad. I think he's the one who shot the picture of a barefoot Joni in her backyard that became the cover of the mis-named "The Complete Poems and Lyrics". (I can't find it right now so I can't confirm.) All the best, Lama Jack Harney said, >has anyone thought about the cover painting of TBOS? It's the famous Herb Ritts picture of Joni for the (c.1992?) GAP advertisement that appeared in magazines for a couple of months. Herb Ritts died a couple of years ago, as I recall, so Joni seems to be making a fond tribute to Mr. Ritts. Joni is his survivor.> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:25:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: something happening here . . . --- Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > Are you crazy Smurf? > > As it is, the TBOS (aka BS) and Joni-criticism > debate is a raging inferno and you've got the nerve > to bring up Joni and smoking?! > > A brave soul indeed. > > Congrats on your upcoming 8 month milestone, > Jenny > Smurf is both crazy and good. Congratulations, blue fella - you done good! ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:16:36 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Hejira - no effort wasted I think WTRF has the best-recorded piano sound in her catalog. (*) I think Chinese Cafe is a great, great song and it doesn't hurt that it's a piano song. For a long time I thought the thing that held back the piano sound of "For The Roses" was the pressing. Five or six white label promos later I began to disbelieve. The HDCD sounds similar so I've stopped collecting white label FTR and sold the duplicates. To me it will always be a desert island disc. Tori Amos' "Under the Pink" has a great, pure, clean piano sound and the songs are fantastic too. On vinyl, the attack and decay sounds like a big piano in a room. What a concept, huh? Since I'm on the annoying audiophile thing, I mention my walk back to work on Monday. Somebody was practicing drums a 1/2 block away on the 2nd or 3rd floor. I couldn't even be sure which open window was letting me hear it but it was unmistakably and simply a drum set. It didn't sound a thing like a recording. It sure didn't sound like a rock concert either. Like that song said about a different topic, "Ain't nothin' like the real thing, bay-bee." All the best, Lama * While MINGUS and S&L sound great, she didn't play much (any?) piano on them, if I recall correctly. Maybe the forthcoming DVD release of Refuge Of the Roads will have an even better sound than the VHS Hi-Fi. KindTaper said, >I just got a Quiex II vinyl pressing of "Wild Things Run Fast" over the weekend and can't wait to check that out either.> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:56:14 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: future plans for a boxed set? **on Sept. 14th Rhino Records is releasing a single-CD Anthology collection of Joni's Reprise/Elektra material titled: "Snapshots In A Diary". Do you know what's on it yet Simon? Also, I see another upcoming release in September called "Dreamland". What's up with that one? Bob NP: Bjork & Thom Yorke, "I've Seen It All" (If Bjork married Thom would she be Bjork Yorke?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:01:39 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: whoa...TI cover in heaven / pointless speculation **Why is that song so ignored by artists, as far as covering it? Em, you know now that speculation about Joni covers is NEVER pointless! My theory would be that it just hasn't gotten much exposure, and on top of that it's a complex song melodically, don't you think? Sometimes Joni makes it look easy. Besides, the only time I've heard a cover of it was at Wall to Wall Joni with David Garland, and believe me you don't wanna hear that one again. Bob NP: The Shirelles, "Dedicated to the One I Love" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:09:17 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Y'all thought I was joking about that GHOUL hand??? Well, look who's the STAR of THIS DVD!!! Called "Evil...Comes Alive": _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6312523574&ssPageName =STRK:MEWA:IT_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6312523574&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT) Now what do y'all think, hmmmmmm? It's all starting to make sense to me now. Bob, always with evil on his mind NP: Heather Nova, "Heaven" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:42:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Y'all thought I was joking about that GHOUL hand??? --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Well, look who's the STAR of THIS DVD!!! Called > "Evil...Comes Alive": > > _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6312523574&ssPageName > =STRK:MEWA:IT_ > (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6312523574&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT) > > > Now what do y'all think, hmmmmmm? It's all starting > to make sense to me now. > > Bob, always with evil on his mind > What the hayul is that? ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:34:33 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Dreamland? Snapshots In A Diary? Bob wrote ... >> >> on Sept. 14th Rhino Records is releasing a single-CD Anthology collection >> of Joni's Reprise/Elektra material titled: "Snapshots In A Diary". >> -- > > Do you know what's on it yet Simon? > > Also, I see another upcoming release in September called "Dreamland". > What's up with that one? > > Bob Bob, No! not specifically. i do have an early TrackList dated 3-22-04 that contained 19 songs, presented chronologically, beginning with STAS and ending with 4-songs from Travelogue. 16 Songs from Reprise, Elektra/Asylum releases, 3 from Geffen. RE: "DREAMLAND", i'll know more better tomorrow or Friday. here's what I KNOW. earlier i'd saved the page that listed "Snapshots In A Diary". when i entered the URL for that page a short while ago, "Dreamland" came up. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0002MPQ50/qid%3D1090860084/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/002-5801988-3968006 here's what I THINK. details are still being finalized and the Title has changed. wouldn't be the first time. i'll know more by the end of the week. andmoreagain, - -------------------- simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:39:00 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni On the Radio (08-03-04 / 4pm / KFPK 90.7FM) Simon to the rescue again! Thanks for bringing some clarity and real news to the table! simon@icu.com wrote: > Richard Flynn writes > > > > > My friend Aldon from Santa Barbara writes: > > > > Joni Mithcell is on KPFK on Tuesday, August 3 > > I definitely heard that part of the announcement > > the URL for listening on line is: http://www.kpfk.org/ > > > > Does anyone else have this information? > > Richard, > > Yes! this information IS correct. > > Joni will be visiting Los Angeles radio station KPFK 90.7FM next Tuesday > afternoon for a Conversation/Interview. > > the program will be broadcast from 4:00-to-5:00pm (CA. time), > and is hosted by Aura Bogado. > > i'm told that she calls her program RadioActive but that's not a Title > you'll see in the Program Grid on the KPFK Website. you'll simply see > the names Aura Bogado/Alex Ko. THAT's the program. > > hope this helps. > > andmoreagain, > ------------------- > simon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:40:16 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni encounter Andy Stancliffe wrote: > I thought I'd pass along that a colleague of mine has had 2 meetings with Joni in the last few weeks, and tells me that Joni hasn't even started writing the book that was announced several years ago. My colleague repeated many of the observations of other JMDLrs: how open and friendly Joni is, how she does appreciate fans coming up and telling her how much her music has meant to them, etc., and Joni drives a Lexus SC430. Great. Now we ALL have to get a Lexus SC430..... seriously, Andy, thanks for the news... if it's not prying, what were your friend's meetings with Joni about? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:41:54 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: (TBOS) Why re-release the Geffen material? jus_puk@surfeu.fi wrote: > I apologize if I've missed some crucial information, but are the Geffen > box CD's really remastered? Interesting.....when the remastered FTR came out, I had to A/B them over and over before hearing a subtle difference. A couple of things come to mind. When they remaster something, alot of times the original version sounds worse because the record company did not take the time to do it right, sometimes using a production master or-heaven forbid but it has happened many times-using the master made for the LP with the RIAA eq curve. They just rushed it out to make a buck, and we, the paying public have to buy it a second time when they've finally done it right. The other thing is, that you can 96khz/24bit remaster all you want, but at the end of the day, it still ends up on a 16 bit 44khz CD. > The 1985 CD sounds as tinny > and the > box set CD sounds identical. LP still sounds better. Also, it actually > doesn't say on the box set booklet that the material is REmastered. In my > opinion, these releases still remain the only Joni albums that haven't > been properly re-released - remastered and with full artwork. That's quite interesting.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:43:16 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: JMDL,the past two weeks: A response. Warrenkeith91354@aol.com wrote: > I would > add that once you put your work in the public arena it is fair game; at > least have some knowledge about the process, i.e., painting, before you criticize > the results. so, if you have no formal training in music, say...as Joni or Paul McCartney don't, you are not entitled to an opinion? How on earth do they evaluate their own creation process? To expand this further, the unwashed should rely on music or art experts to tell them what is good and what isn't. I don't buy it. > I mentioned, in a post of a year or so ago, as a defense > of Joni's possible frustration with a painful reaction and lack of function > in her hands and its direct effect on her ability to create new material. ( I > never got a response to that post.) I guess it would be speculation on our part. She did tell Kakki a year or so ago that she wanted to write, but couldn't-implying to me writer's block. > If Joni can make some cash as a result of > repackaging her material I say more power to her. She deserve any and all > monetary reward she can get for the joy she has brought to all our lives. > Granted...I would be very sad if she didn't release any new material all I'm > saying is...let the woman make a living.. God, now I feel like I'm taking food out of her mouth. She has that nice house in Bel Aire and a Lexus, but can't afford the gas! RR, not entitled to an opinion ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 00:29:11 -0600 From: Rob & Tracy Subject: BS, 100% JC (aka tBoS) I love this thread on the Joni compilations! However, I want to address the posts about Joni not releasing new stuff - well, I mean, it's her right never to release anything again, but I hate the whole atmosphere of defeat that she seems to sound off on about the industry and age and blah blah blah. I mean, yes, it's a different world and a different audience and all of that, but people her age ARE making great music - look at JT, who keeps making my life a little brighter by releasing albums. Same as Carly, although less frequently. Or we can also look at Bonnie Raitt, Stevie Nicks (who released her best album 3 years ago) and the ancient Fleetwood Mac who did damn good on Say You Will... God, I bought a Richie Havens CD in a dollar store, and while that seemed so sad to me at the time, I also thought "good for you, keep going man". So anyway, there is still a market, albeit smaller, for her work, and others her age ARE doing it, so when she sounds off in interviews that she's just going to lay down and die because the music industry is so terrible, I just want to vomit. The industry has never been her friend, according to her, so why let it stop you now? Now, if she truly WANTS to retire herself from producing new music, well good for her. But when she goes on about how hopeless the industry is, I want to shake her and say "you are Joni Mitchell, damnit - they didn't get Mingus, they got everything else a decade or two after it was released, you've only HAD 4 top 40 songs or so, so who cares? Release it, and to hell with the rest - - if you wanna sell gospel records on television commercials like Anne Murray, you go right ahead too - just do it, and don't do the woe is me thing." LOL, just have this image of a commercial of Joni croonin' under a Xmas tree, looking out the window, with a voiceover of "call now and get Joni's inspirational favorites absolutely free". Anyway, I am tired so I don't feel terribly articulate right now, but needless to say, I wouldn't be suprised if we got "a reworking of DED featuring the London Symphony Orchestra" before we ever get to hear any more tidbits of the lonely road Joni is travelling on in her 60's... and the thought of that makes me terribly sad.... 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