From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #208 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, July 23 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 208 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Good for a laugh, now proper DJRD etiquette [Deb Messling ] Jonifest 2004 Store Now Open!! [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Mendel exhibition book [Deb Messling ] Re: my anniversary [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? What ghoulish hand??? ["Steven Polifka] RE:incarnation ["robin mortlock" ] Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about something JM [Lori Fye ] RE: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about something JM ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: GAP photo on TBOS cover [Lori Fye ] Re: GAP photo on TBOS cover omg content [Em ] Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about something JM [Bill Dollinger ] Subject: DJRD Music Book [] RE: What's with the ghoulish hand? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Subject: What's with the ghoulish hand? [Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Good for a laugh, now proper DJRD etiquette Hey wise guy, the only reason I remember the date I bought Clouds is that it was the day before the moon landing. My sister talked me into buying it because she didn't want to spend her own money. I liked it so much that on moon landing day, I wanted to stay in my room listening to it, and my father had to yell upstairs to get me down to the TV to watch the astronauts. At 09:13 PM 7/21/2004 -0400, you wrote: > Or better yet, ask Deb Messling. I'll bet she meticulously always placed > the same LP >in the same sleeve; after all, she remembers the date she BOUGHT the thing! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 05:04:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: RE: What's with the ghoulish hand? RE: all the horror among ye, apparently generated by that cover painting..(which I like, by the way - the denims are divine)...all I can say is YOU try living in turbulent indogo for all those years, and see if *your* brush doesn't spawn the occaisional greenish hand or other oddity. lol. eh??? I think an artist has attained freedom when she's not afraid for her kinks or blemishes to show. Picasso was never afraid of showing whatever blew out his ass, and so he scaled great heights. Others too. But ssooooooooo many others remain uptight. I like the imperfection and I like having to wonder whether a greenish hand is implying a relationship to the soil/earth, or whether it suggests vitriol/poison. Or if its somehow a reference to LeGuin's "Left Hand of Darkness". ( I know, thats a reach) Who knows? I find it pretty fascinating. Does anyone know if that gallery in Canada that did her big retrospective show sells a catalog or book, of the displayed work? I'd like to buy one, if so, for my Mom, who has the coffee-table-book thing going on in a big way, and then I could, of course get to look at it too. Joni's painting blows me away. Idiosynchratic or not. My tarnished .02. Em ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:08:20 EDT From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2004 Store Now Open!! Hi Everyone, The Jonifest 2004 store is now open! You can order mugs, t-shirts, etc. by going to: www.jonifest.com and clicking on the link at the top of the page. If you are going to Jonifest this year, you will already receive a mug FREE as well as FREE shipping for anything else you order. I *know* that this information will have all of you rushing to sign up, so you can also conveniently click the link right near the store link to sign up for Fest!! ALL ORDERS **AND** MONEY MUST BE IN BY AUGUST 1st!!!!!!!!!!!! See you at Jonifest! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:38:24 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Mendel exhibition book Yes, there was a book: Voices - The Work ( works ) of Joni Mitchell - illustrated with color paintings by Joni Mitchell (ISBN:1896359280). I believe it is out of print, but it is available through used bookstores. I just searched abebooks.com and saw two copies, at $69 and $75. I personally love the book; there are a couple of really beautiful paintings. Another book with lots of Joni's artwork is Starart, by Debby Chesher. It also includes artwork by John Mayall, Cat Stevens, Klaus Voorman, Ron Wood, and Commander Cody. Also out of print, and hard to find a copy under $100. At 05:04 AM 7/22/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone know if that gallery in Canada that did her big >retrospective show sells a catalog or book, of the displayed work? I'd >like to buy one, if so, for my Mom, who has the coffee-table-book thing >going on in a big way, and then I could, of course get to look at it >too. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:41:24 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: my anniversary In a message dated 7/20/2004 6:00:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, messling@enter.net writes: Yesterday, July 19, was the 35th anniversary of my buying Clouds - my first Joni album. Yikes, I'm old. So, here it is, right here. The reason I found this list and stay here year after year. If I made this statement to "the general public" they would probably roll their eyes, wonder how I could possibly get to this age and *still* not have a life, and probably be thinking that the asylums must have very liberal rules about letting people out for a breath of fresh air. But here on the JMDL, most of us are saying, "How cool!!" :-D Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:27:17 -0500 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? What ghoulish hand??? Okay, enough about the ghoulish hand! That painting is a reverse of the original pic taken for GAP. I downloaded it and examined it in photoshop 2 weeks ago and it looks okay to me. Whenever you reverse things, they don't look 'right'. (So I need to acknowledge that.) As a final for an art class, we had to do mirror self-portraits in charcoal. It didn't really look like me (according to my mother) until she looked at it in a mirror. Then she said, "Oh, now I get it..." Steve wondering why he's defending Joni's art... >>> 07/21/04 04:53PM >>> I've seen the cover of TBOS a number of times now, and just today I was looking at the cover painting in detail (as best as I CAN look at it on my computer screen). Besides the fact that the self-portrait is from a 15-year old photo (cheap visual plastic surgery!) and the eyes aren't right (too high on the face, too beady, too close together), what stuck out today was the GHOUL hand! Look at that left hand...brownish-green, gnarly and nasty. Looks like something from "Night Of The Living Dead" or something...why in the world would someone use green paint to define their own flesh tone? Yikes. Now I'm gonna have nightmares about JONI'S BONY GHOULISH HAND like it's the goddam tell-tale heart or something. See it for yourself, just don't blame me if you get creeped out: http://www.jonimitchell.com Bob, reeling in terror NP: Billy Davidson, "Night Ride Home" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:26:05 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: RE:incarnation Subject: Re: again Re: a rumor about Lori..... NJC - Catherine writes: Reincarnation sounds like a pretty good idea but, if the point is to learn from a past life, how come no one ever remembers it? Really, Catherine? You don't remember your past lives? Are you have a -- ahem - - -- memory problem? I know that in my last life, in the first half of the 20th century, I was a who died. Before that, in Victorian times, I was a trollop who died. And in the life previous to that, like around the time of the Civil War, I was a common camp follower who died. So what have I learned? It's simple: old s die. - --Smurf I posted a while ago about Metamorphosis - a healing 'technique' devised by Robert St John which integrates the pre-natal period and pre-conception. He developed the philosophy and practice over many years. His view on re-incarnation was something like this - when we die we return to all that is but leave behind our thought patterns - when we have a past life experience all we are doing is pickng up on thought patterns left behind - our affinity with those is karmic and conditioned by our own inherited thought patterns. Metamorphosis as a practice is a way of 'morphing' inherited thought patterns which we acquire at conception point. morphingly, spideog - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help STOP spam with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:25:28 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about something JM > See it for yourself, just don't blame me if you get creeped out: > > http://www.jonimitchell.com The hand doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the 4th similar layout for the front cover. TI, TTT, Travelogue and now TBOS. I love the paintings, but I'm bored already with the front cover layout!! Or ... are these layouts just confined to albums with names that begin with the letter "T"? Lori, missing covers like Court And Spark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:39:22 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: GAP photo on TBOS cover Steve P. wrote: > That painting is a reverse of the original pic taken for GAP. Now THAT's an interesting choice, considering the songs Joni chose for TBOS and that fact that someone remarked a few weeks ago about Joni's hypocrisy in doing that GAP ad. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:55:30 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about something JM Why doesn't Joni MItchell.com or amazon list the tracks? Using your imagination or sequencing your old CD tracks to play on your computer, does this sound like a pleasant listening experience to you? 01 . The Reoccurring Dream 02 . The Windfall (Everything for Nothing) 03 . Slouching Towards Bethlehem 04 . Dog Eat Dog 05 . Fiction 06 . The Beat of Black Wings 07 . No Apologies 08 . Sex Kills 09 . The Three Great Stimulants 10 . Lakota 11 . Ethiopia 12 . Cool Water 13 . Tax Free 14 . The Magdalene Laundries 15 . Passion Play (The Story of Jesus and Zachius...the Little Tax Collector 16 . Impossible Dreamer - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Lori Fye Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:25 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about something JM > See it for yourself, just don't blame me if you get creeped out: > > http://www.jonimitchell.com The hand doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the 4th similar layout for the front cover. TI, TTT, Travelogue and now TBOS. I love the paintings, but I'm bored already with the front cover layout!! Or ... are these layouts just confined to albums with names that begin with the letter "T"? Lori, missing covers like Court And Spark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:56:04 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: GAP photo on TBOS cover **someone remarked a few weeks ago about Joni's hypocrisy in doing that GAP ad. That would have been me...and I stick to my comments, not that she shouldn't have done the ad, who cares about that, but when you put out preachy schlock like "Reocurring Dream" it comes off as a double standard when you instruct others not to be conspicuous consumers while shilling for GAP stores yourself. Here's a GAP photo, by the way...I don't think it's the one she modeled the painting after: http://www.jonimitchell.com/GapAd90.html Bob NP: Motley Crue, "Dr. Feelgood" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:32:12 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: GAP photo on TBOS cover Bob wrote: > **someone remarked a few weeks ago about Joni's hypocrisy in doing > that GAP ad. > > That would have been me...and I stick to my comments, not that she shouldn't > have done the ad, who cares about that, but when you put out preachy schlock > like "Reocurring Dream" it comes off as a double standard when you instruct > others not to be conspicuous consumers while shilling for GAP stores > yourself. I'm not saying that I disagree with you. I think Joni's choice of image is interesting, though, because I can't imagine she didn't give a great deal of thought to it. > Here's a GAP photo, by the way...I don't think it's the one she modeled the > painting after: > > http://www.jonimitchell.com/GapAd90.html I reversed that photo and positioned it next to the cover image and uploaded them here: http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/Joni-TBOS-gapad.jpg The images are very similar, and I think Steve's right. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:35:11 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: GAP photo on TBOS cover Em wrote what I believe is still Joni content: > Damn she's fine in jeans.... > sigh... This one is way better, imo: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0609600087.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg Lori, who finds the name of the jpeg very intriguing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:39:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: GAP photo on TBOS cover omg content OMG! thanks for sharing, Lori! :P em - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Em wrote what I believe is still Joni content: > > > Damn she's fine in jeans.... > > sigh... > > This one is way better, imo: > http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0609600087.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg > > Lori, > who finds the name of the jpeg very intriguing > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:28:08 -0400 From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about something JM My friend Alan and I have a running joke that listening to Natalie Merchant (who we both enjoy) is like getting a spanking. this list reminded me of that. a lot of scolding in those tracks. Bill On Jul 22, 2004, at 5:55 PM, Richard Flynn wrote: > Why doesn't Joni MItchell.com or amazon list the tracks? > > Using your imagination or sequencing your old CD tracks to play on your > computer, does this sound like a pleasant listening experience to you? > > > 01 . The Reoccurring Dream > 02 . The Windfall (Everything for Nothing) > 03 . Slouching Towards Bethlehem > 04 . Dog Eat Dogrflynn@frontiernet.net > 05 . Fiction > 06 . The Beat of Black Wings > 07 . No Apologies > 08 . Sex Kills > 09 . The Three Great Stimulants > 10 . Lakota > 11 . Ethiopia > 12 . Cool Water > 13 . Tax Free > 14 . The Magdalene Laundries > 15 . Passion Play (The Story of Jesus and Zachius...the Little > Tax > Collector > 16 . Impossible Dreamer > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Lori > Fye > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:25 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually > complain about something JM > > >> See it for yourself, just don't blame me if you get creeped out: >> >> http://www.jonimitchell.com > > > The hand doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the 4th similar layout > for > the > front cover. TI, TTT, Travelogue and now TBOS. I love the paintings, > but > I'm > bored already with the front cover layout!! > > Or ... are these layouts just confined to albums with names that begin > with > the > letter "T"? > > Lori, > missing covers like Court And Spark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:37:21 -0400 From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? > Picasso was never afraid of showing whatever blew out his ass, and so > he scaled great heights. Are you referring to his "Blew" period? (sorry, couldn't resist) > I like the imperfection and I like having to wonder whether a greenish > hand is implying a relationship to the soil/earth, or whether it > suggests vitriol/poison. > Or if its somehow a reference to LeGuin's "Left Hand of Darkness". ( I > know, thats a reach) > Who knows? > I find it pretty fascinating. > I think it's to imply an earthiness (back to the garden being the beginning of survival. my 2 cents... Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:50:14 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about something JM Bill (presumably somewhere down the road from me in DC but I've still never met you!) wrote: > My friend Alan and I have a running > joke that listening to Natalie Merchant > (who we both enjoy) is like getting a spanking. > > this list reminded me of that. a lot of scolding in those tracks. That's funny! And surely true. And now, consider the "GAP" cover photo and this, the opening to the 1st cut which is > 01 . The Reoccurring Dream : This is the reoccurring dream Born in the dreary GAP between What we have now And what we wish we could have LOL ... go, Joni!! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:56:44 -0400 From: Bill Dollinger Subject: Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? - My turn to actually complain about something JM hey Lori, where are you in dc? I live in adams morgan. I have been offlist for a while, but just rejoined. And just in time , I think, since the file sharing is sooooo incredible! Bill On Jul 22, 2004, at 6:50 PM, Lori Fye wrote: > Bill (presumably somewhere down the road from me in DC but I've still > never met > you!) wrote: > >> My friend Alan and I have a running >> joke that listening to Natalie Merchant >> (who we both enjoy) is like getting a spanking. >> >> this list reminded me of that. a lot of scolding in those tracks. > > That's funny! And surely true. > > And now, consider the "GAP" cover photo and this, the opening to the > 1st cut > which is >> 01 . The Reoccurring Dream : > > > This is the reoccurring dream > Born in the dreary GAP between > What we have now > And what we wish we could have > > > LOL ... go, Joni!! > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:48:33 -0400 From: Subject: Subject: What's with the ghoulish hand? Catherine in Toronto said, >LOL! Silly Bob! I'd be curious to see the portrait in larger size.> Here ya go: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002IQI9W.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg Lama, who notes that on Amazon, big shots of covers are usually just a click away. They're just a click away. Click away. Click away. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:52:46 -0400 From: Subject: Subject: DJRD Music Book Did you find the unused words to "Paprika Plains" already? I know they're in the songbook. I think they're in the LP and CD too but don't hold me to it. Lama, tanned and relaxed after getting my 'fix' from the Junkies last weekend. Man, I was jonesing real bad too. >Recently got the DJRD Music book in really good condition for a really good price too! I can't read sheet music but I just think they are wonderful things to have. Anyway I'm amazed to see the full music for 'Paprika Plains' in there - no less than 19 pages folks!> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 20:15:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: What's with the ghoulish hand? - --- Em wrote: > > Does anyone know if that gallery in Canada that did > her big > retrospective show sells a catalog or book, of the > displayed work? I'd > like to buy one, if so, for my Mom, who has the > coffee-table-book thing > going on in a big way, and then I could, of course > get to look at it > too. The Mendel *was* selling her book up until recently, but I just checked and it's now out of print :-( Hey! maybe that means I can sell mine for big bucks on E-Bay!!! Naaaah, I wanna keep it. Just to tease people, both amazon.com and amazon.ca have it listed... but then no way to buy it! And they've still got her "memoirs" listed as coming out in 2005 - I wonder if that will ever happen? I'd love to read that, whenever she's ready. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:34:46 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: GAP photo on TBOS cover **The images are very similar, and I think Steve's right. Cool! Thanks for doing that Lori - I stand corrected, it was definitely the same pic, only when the pic was taken that HAND was still alive. Bob, staying up all night to avoid the Ghoul Hand nightmares NP: Grateful Dead, "Good Morning Little Schoolgirl" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:42:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: GAP photo on TBOS cover - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Here's a GAP photo, by the way...I don't think it's > the one she modeled the > painting after: > > http://www.jonimitchell.com/GapAd90.html > Have another look and compare to this: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002IQI9W.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg Open up two windows and put them side by side. It's the same pic, but flopped, and Joni has added a natural background - some water and mountains and she's in a kind of van Gogh-ish field. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:52:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Subject: What's with the ghoulish hand? - --- jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > Catherine in Toronto said, > >LOL! Silly Bob! I'd be curious to see the portrait > in > larger size.> > > > Here ya go: > http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002IQI9W.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg > > Lama, > > who notes that on Amazon, big shots of covers are > usually just a click away. They're just a click > away. Click away. Click away. > No, I'm talking MEGA big. As in actual size. I want to see the texture and the real colours. I'm not sure this is as green as it appears to be on screen. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:41:38 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: What's with the ghoulish hand? Now non-ghoulish books **The Mendel *was* selling her book up until recently, but I just checked and it's now out of print :-( It's constantly on ebay, at first copies were fetching $150-$200. Now you have a couple of sellers and they generally close out around $50/$60. Here's one you can buy now for $69.95 or bid for $55: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=29223&item=6914222885&r d=1 And there's a StarArt too: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=378&item=6913537999&rd= 1 Bob NP: Jefferson Airplane, "Lather" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:30:55 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: What's with the ghoulish hand? **No, I'm talking MEGA big. As in actual size. I want to see the texture and the real colours. I'm not sure this is as green as it appears to be on screen. So right click on the image, do a "save picture as" and save it as a file you can open with Photoshop or any picture viewing software that will allow you to zoom. Just don't get too close to the YOU KNOW WHAT. It might reach out and GRAB ya. Bob NP: New Riders Of The Purple Sage, "Henry" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:04:38 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: July 23 On July 23 the following articles were published: 1990: "2nd Cir. Holds Joni Mitchell is due $500,000 in back taxes" - Entertainment Litigation Reporter (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1112 2002: "There is no oxygen here" - CountingCrows.com (Appreciation) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=903 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #208 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)