From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #200 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, July 15 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 200 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Last Joni album on vinyl? [Em ] where does the wind come from? ["robin mortlock" ] 3-in-1 reply [Randy Remote ] joni,crosby,nash [Bruce Kimerer ] Re: DVD cover: "Refuge Of the Roads" [Jerry Notaro ] Jonifest fundraiser items! ["Maggie McNally" ] Re: joni,crosby,nash [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Last Joni album on vinyl? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 04:58:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Last Joni album on vinyl? Just think what a grand album cover they could have made for TI. All that WONDERFUL artwork, pretty much wasted on CD size pages. Such a tease! I had my Mom over to my house last weekend and I played TI for her, and she was just bowled over by the artwork. And my Mom sees alot of good artwork, so she could have easily had an uh-huh uh-huh reaction..but she didn't - was just totally impressed and looked and looked and was amazed. I just think it would have been so beautiful to have a full effort, balls to the wall, major label-type album cover done up for that. You know, where you open it up and all, with perhaps a booklet inside... anyway..thats all. Do I bitch and moan all the time?? lol...sorry...just smack me. :) Em - --- KindTaper@aol.com wrote: > Just wondering if anyone knows if "Night Ride Home", "Turbulent > Indigo" or > anything later was pressed on vinyl. I imagine if they were, they > were UK or > European releases only. "Night Ride Home" would be fair game for a US > pressing, > as it came out in 1991. I imagine Joni would be the type to think > vinyl was an > outdated, inferior format by that point, but I could be wrong. I hope > I'm > wrong. If any has seen for sure, or owns any of the 90's albums by > Joni on vinyl, > I'd love to hear from you or you can post to the list. > > Thanks, > Wes > ===== - ------- "Don't try to build an aeroplane when you just need a kite." Tee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:46:25 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: where does the wind come from? Where does the wind come from? Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:34:02 -0500 From: "Steven Polifka" Subject: Re: where does the wind come from? Too many beans!!!! Oh, not what you were looking for? Rotation of the earth and the sun's heating of the air... >>> "robin mortlock" 7/14/2004 10:46:25 AM >>> Where does the wind come from? Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:29:19 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: 3-in-1 reply "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" wrote: > I have > already sold off my factory made VHS tape which had a level imbalance. Really? I recently listened to mine (vhs hifi) in headphones, and it sounded amazing. Em wrote: > I had my Mom over to my house last weekend and I played TI for her, and > she was just bowled over by the artwork. Okay, that sounded funny. Like when they tell me I have a great face for radio. robin mortlock wrote: > Where does the wind come from? > > Robin And where does it go? I think the wind is a result of uneven temperature gradients. SF graffitti circa 1980: Gravity is a myth. The earth sucks. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:29:57 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: joni,crosby,nash This was posted on the leeshore. Kinda long, but good.... > From a "rock writer.... > > I could go door to door selling "Ladies Of The Canyon". > > I'd knock after dark. When people are reluctant to open the door. I'd have > to EXPLAIN! People inured to the fearsome world of George Bush would tell me > to go away. But there would be some people who came of age in the sixties. > And some women in their early twenties. And some men of the same age with > more > questions than answers, who aren't afraid to express their emotions, to > reveal themselves, warts and all. THEY would open the door. > > I'd start softly. Trying to gain their trust. > > Then I'd start waxing rhapsodic. What this record meant to ME! > > And then I'd ask them if I could put it on. > > Hopefully, I'd have some traveling stereo contraption including a turntable. > Because, really, "Ladies Of The Canyon" should be heard on vinyl. Or else > I'd call somebody at Sony and BEG them to do an SACD transfer, and bring a > deck > that could play discs in that format. > > If I was spinning the vinyl, there'd be that opening groove anticipation. > > Oh, the youngsters are unfamiliar with this. For some reason, there was > always a bump, or a scratch in the opening grooves. > > And then the music would begin. > > It's PERFECT that "Ladies Of The Canyon" starts with "Morning Morgantown". > It's a relaxing entry. > > And then we'd hit "For Free". > > Oh, I'd tell them how I saw James Taylor in Boston in April of '70, just days > after my seventeenth birthday, and he played this unreleased track. How I > couldn't FORGET IT! > > You see James and Joni had a relationship at that point. > > Almost nobody plays for free anymore. Free is for chumps. > > But back in the day, you played for the JOY of it. > > And then would come "Conversation". > > Have you ever fallen in love with someone who's married? > > No, I'm not talking about infatuation. I'm talking about the genuine > article. Where you communicate almost telepathically? > > When you're with them, you feel alive, you're carefree. > > But you don't own them. Somebody else does. Usually somebody else who > doesn't get them. But the legal bond is too much for your friend to cast > aside. > You're left alone. > > THAT'S what "Conversation" is about. > > And now the people would be starting to GET IT! > > "Ladies Of The Canyon" was not made for stardom. Wasn't even made for the > radio. It was a personal STATEMENT! That still resonates over thirty years > later. There's no expiration date on the truth. > > But it's not only the lyrics, but the SOUND! > > "Ladies Of The Canyon" sounds like eleven o'clock alone at home while the > rain is coming down outside. It's like a best friend, with open arms, wanting > to > connect. It's truly life itself. > > At this point, the man, or the woman, or even the COUPLE would be scrounging > the house for cash. Wanting to lay fifteen bucks on me, just so they could > OWN this piece of plastic. > > And after I put the money in my pocket, and put back on my jacket, just > before I exited the front door, I'd tell them to be sure to listen to "Rainy > Night > House". And "The Arrangement". > > I'd figure they'd discover "The Priest" by themselves. > > And I'd be on my way. > > One could argue that "Blue" is a better album. But it doesn't quite have the > VIBE of "Ladies Of The Canyon". That intimate late night feel. There's some > sunniness in "Blue". Most of "Ladies Of The Canyon" is a dark novel. > > Now the canyon of which Joni is singing is Laurel Canyon. > > Oh, it's not the same today. It's not where it's happening. It's where > almost thirtysomethings buy starter homes. There are some old hippies left, > but > the sense of community, the sense that something is being BUILT, is long gone. > > But in the late sixties, Laurel Canyon was where it was at. > > And it was at Joni Mitchell's house in Laurel Canyon that Crosby, Stills and > Nash first sang together. > > Somewhere along the line, Crosby, Stills and Nash became a joke. > > Oh, one can KIND of understand it. They ultimately made some pretty lame > albums. But that very first record... > > Conventional wisdom is Crosby, Stills and Nash miss Neil Young. > > Neil Young is great, but he wasn't really a member of CSN. He was a guy > brought in to play guitar. Who got to play a few of his own numbers to keep > him > happy. As great as he is, Neil is not really what CSN represents. You see, > CSN is about the voices. The harmonies. Frequently horribly off key and > untogether live, but ON RECORD, utterly ASTOUNDING! > > The first Crosby, Stills and Nash record was the "Appetite For Destruction" > of its day. A snapshot of the life of twentysomethings in Los Angeles. > "Appetite For Destruction" is dark. Reflecting the coarsening of society. > Whereas > "Crosby, Stills and Nash" straddles the line. Between optimism and > disillusionment. The sixties were coming to a close. So many breakthroughs > had been > achieved. But Richard Nixon was President, we were still fighting the war in > Vietnam. > > You had the sunniness of "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes" and then the darkness of > "Long Time Gone". And sprinkled in between, the utterly lightweight Graham > Nash > tune "Marrakesh Express". But what you had throughout was the VOCALS! The > utter perfection, the utter BEAUTY! It was like standing in front of the > Parthenon. Perfect in construction, perfect in scale, SO perfect as to be > almost > OUT OF THIS WORLD! Delivered by God! > > And there was this weird vibe in the record. Like it wasn't cut in one > place. That one track was done in the studio, with everybody upbeat, and > another > was cut at the market in the Valley, and another in a car driving down the > freeway. The listener was MESMERIZED! There was this WORLD! It wasn't about > the > players, but the record ITSELF! The record spoke for ITSELF! You listened > again and again. Looking for insight, for comfort. The first Crosby, Stills > and Nash album is a treasure. > > "Deja Vu", made with Neil Young, has its highlights. Primarily "Carry On" > and "4+20", but it was the same kind of incomplete mess that the Eagles "Long > Run" would turn out to be. You see it's hard to follow up perfection. > > Oh, but the band members TRIED! > > Neil Young went solo. > > Stephen Stills did too. > > EVERYBODY cut solo material. > > And just when each of the three original members' careers were shot, they got > back together and did it again, with 1977's "CSN". > > We'd given up. We'd seen the Beatles never get back together, we figured CSN > was going to have the same fate. > > But they surprised us, they reunited. > > And "CSN" was a treat. > > In retrospect, only "See The Changes" is classic, but "CSN" had that SOUND! > Which we'd thought had been lost forever, believing the formula had been > destroyed. > > But that was the last time these guys could get it together. Until now. > > I was driving down Sunset Boulevard and the deejay on Deeptracks said he was > going to play a new Crosby-Nash track. From a soon to be released album. He > said it was GOOD! > > Let's be clear. These new tunes by has-beens are almost NEVER good. We've > cast aside our expectations. It's so sad. > > But the sound that started to emanate from my speakers, THAT WAS THE SOUND! > > Oh, Crosby and Nash had made a few less than successful records together when > their solo careers had lost steam and Stephen Stills' had not yet. And there > were a couple of peaks, but they were of the time. "Take The Money And Run" > was catchy, but far from deep. And "Carry Me" was beautiful in its own right, > but the soaring voices eclipsed the material. It felt good hearing it early > in the evening, but you wouldn't want to play it in the middle of the night. > > You want to play "Lay Me Down" in the middle of the night. > > Let's be clear. As great as they were, CSN and not even Y were in the league > of Joni Mitchell. > > But they were all in it together. David Crosby had produced Joni's first > album. Graham Nash had been her boyfriend. And she'd written maybe their > biggest hit, "Woodstock". > > You see they shared the same SENSIBILITY! > > Sensibility. That implies you've GOT senses. That you're taking everything > in. That you're entertaining the NUANCES! > > The nuances have been paved over. Just like Joni's paradise, they're now a > parking lot. Littered with glamor. Everybody's fighting for ATTENTION! If > you're subtle, you won't get noticed, you'll starve. > > But that's not real life. There are a lot of subtle moments in regular life. > Hell, regular life IS ABOUT the nuances. The glance, the attitude, the > touch. It's THIS input that we make our choices upon. > > Today I e-mailed Michael Plen to send me the Crosby-Nash album. > > Then I thought about it. I told him, if he could, to send an MP3 of "Lay Me > Down", I had an urge to hear it RIGHT NOW! I wanted to write about it RIGHT > NOW! > > Alas, it took Plen about an hour to get back to me, within which time I was > distracted. > > But about an hour and a half ago, I downloaded the track. > > And after importing it into iTunes and hitting play, I was stunned. > > I don't know how I'd do it. Whether I'd play the people whose doors I > knocked upon "Lay Me Down" first, to get them READY for "Ladies Of The > Canyon", or > whether I'd throw it in at the end, whip it out of my pocket and throw it in > their laps as a bonus on the way out the door. All I know is, "Ladies Of The > Canyon" and "Lay Me Down" come from the same village. A village I saw from > across the country, that I HEARD about on vinyl records. That enchanted me to > such a degree that I had to get in my car and COME to Los Angeles, to try and > get > closer to the magic. > > By time I got here, a lot of the magic was gone. > > Now I've been thinking it's completely extinguished. > > I've found out I'm wrong. > > "Conversation" and "Rainy Night House" and "The Arrangement" sit on my iPod, > never to be deleted. I NEED them. When they randomly come on in the > mountains it's like the clouds part and there's a road only for me, into the > universe, > a road which I then travel and get insight. > > What did Joni say? Love is touching souls? > > Well, surely she touched mine. For part of her comes out of me from time to > time. > > And tonight, her old cohorts Crosby and Nash have touched my soul too. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:59:15 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: DVD cover: "Refuge Of the Roads" > Right. No bonus tracks but it'll probably the best sound yet for that > particular (exceptional) version of "For Free", for example. I have > already sold off my factory made VHS tape which had a level imbalance. > > All the best, > Lama > > > Randy Remote wrote: >> (It says the dvd is due to come out Aug 24) > And you know we audiophiles are drooling at the prospect. Let us hope for a good 5.1 transfer. As we know, some are better than others. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:44:50 -0400 From: "Maggie McNally" Subject: Jonifest fundraiser items! The time has come for me, Maggie, a.k.a. "Naggie" (thanks, Bob Mueller) to implore you to think creatively about how you can help our own JMDL. Yes, folks, I am once again talking about the Jonifest raffle donation plea. You see, each year we ask JMDLers to donate items that have some kind of connection to Joni - either direct (books, cds, records, magazines, posters, t-shirts...you get the idea) or indirect. In the past, our raffle items have been limited only by the imaginations of our members...we've received items as unusual as a promise of a custom hand-knit sweater, tapestries, and innumerable items like socks, clocks and refrigerator magnets that in some way or another related to Joni. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Please consider what you might be able to donate. Even if you are not coming (and I hope you are...), you can donate to the cause. Just the other day I was speaking with Jody (happy birthday, Scott!) who said she was going to donate a cooking item from the place where she works, and that it will relate to one of the recipes that she contributed to the world-famous (well, JMDL-famous) JMDL cookbook. Now, in my book that's both creative AND generous, especially since she isn't able to join us this year (that's one big boo hoo). So, please put on your creative caps and see if there isn't something that you can send along to Ashara to be given away at Jonifest. Better yet, sign up for Jonifest today and just tell us what it is and bring it with you. Loads of love, Maggie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:56:06 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni,crosby,nash Thanks for sharing that, Bruce...long like you said but very good. And it's funny because I was kind of late to the game with LOTC myself, I didn't get it until the early 90's. And about a month ago I had it cranked in the car stereo and it was like an epiphany to me how good it was. Flawed, but fan-effin'-tastic. I was going to write a big rave about it (which hopefully would counter some of that TBOS negativity) but I just haven't done it. Kinda hard to take notes while you're driving doncha know. Anyway, I'll get around to it soon. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:57:18 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Last Joni album on vinyl? NRH is available on vinyl - you can check out GEMM.com and see a couple for sale there, actually fairly reasonably priced too. Bob ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #200 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)