From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #181 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, June 28 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 181 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: facelift [colin ] k.d. does Joni ["Brian Hernandez" ] Re: the Folk label ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: me too ["robin mortlock" ] Joni Story [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni Story [hell@ihug.co.nz] Joni & Christie Brinkley [Lindsay Moon ] Re: Joni Story [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni & Christie Brinkley [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Fahrenheit 9/11 (JC?) ["c Karma" ] Fw: It's getting awful lonely in the rock'n'roll hall of fame/svc ["Norma] Today's Library Links: June 28 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:07:46 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: facelift Bill Dollinger wrote: > hi everybody, > > I'm back. a big hug to any of the > early-listers, and hello to the many > people who have joined during > my time away. > Good to 'see' you back, Bill. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:00:21 -0700 From: "Brian Hernandez" Subject: k.d. does Joni Sechelt is on Half Moon Bay, along the Sunshine Coast of British Columbia. Joni has a cabin there that she's owned since the late 60s/early 70s. It's one of her escapes from Bel Air. [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 09:17:18 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: the Folk label Joni is her own genre :~} ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:34:23 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: RE: me too Em emzdogz@yahoo.com> wrote: OK here it is the much despised "me too" post , but, umm, YEAH! ME TOO, Catherine cracks me up too. Like all the time. And thats a cool thing. :) Em That's such a co-inky-dink, Em - you crack ME up too! ===== Catherine Toronto - Oh can i join in too - Isnt she (catherine the loverly) so dry and sweet and sensible and soooo right...ah unrequited love is brutal.... getting a little carried away robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:46:52 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Joni Story Here is a Joni story as related by a friend of mine from another of the lists I am even last active on. Has anyone ever heard this guy Tom Lehrer songs before. He was really a hoot. Enjoy, Paz Here is the story: While in London in 1977 I went to a party thrown by Columbia Records for Weather Report. I had known the members of Weather Report for several years through my association with the Magnets and had been hopping around on part of their European tour with them. It happened that Joni Mitchell was in town to get Jaco Pastorius, Weather Report's bass player to overdub some parts on her upcoming release "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" and she was at the party. I had by then met quite a few truly famous people and normally was fairly unaffected by their fame, charisma etc., but something about Joni Mitchell caused me to be incredibly shy. She is quite a small woman and either through my normal protective nature toward small women or through my projection of her from her music I found her incredibly attractive and seemingly vulnerable. I talked to others and didn't approach her. Later that night Jaco came up and asked me if I had gotten a chance to meet her. I mumbled shyly that no I hadn't but certainly didn't want to bother her. Jaco probably sensing my shyness and perhaps wanting to see what would happen simply got behind me and pushed me physically up to her and said "Joni this is a good friend of mine from Texas. Take him over in the corner and talk to him" and that is exactly what she did. There I was and the first words out of my mouth were, " I'd just like to tell you that you and Tom Lehrer are my favorite songwriters". "Who is Tom Lehrer" she asked. (For those who don't know, Tom Lehrer was a Harvard mathematics professor, who in the 50's and early 60's had a cult following doing songs based on current events or obscure scientific errata. Examples of this were; the periodic table sung to the Major General's song from Pirate's of Penzance by Gilbert and Sullivan; The Masochism Tango, a piece on the subject done of course to a passionate tango; Wernher Von Braun, a blistering satire of Wernher Von Braun, the former Nazi rocket scientist and then head of the American space program and the Vatican Rag which I'm sure made him persona non grata with the Catholic Church.) At this point in our conversation my consciousness seemed to float up to the ceiling, like survivors describe of their near death experiences, while I watched helplessly as I sang snatches of Lehrer songs to her. Since I never sing in public, having a voice I have never felt proud of, this was simply beyond my wildest imagination. Also here I was singing such lines as: >From the Masochism Tango and sung to a tango beat- Let our love be a flame not an ember, Say it's me that you want to dismember. Blacken my eye. Set fire to my tie. As we dance to the masochism tango. Take your cigarette from it's holder and burn your initials in my shoulder. Fracture my spine, and swear that your mine. As we dance to the masochism tango. >From the Vatican Rag- First you get down on your knees, then you play with your rosary. Bow your head with great respect and genuflect, genuflect, genuflect. Get in line in that processional, Step into that small confessional. There the guy who's got religion'll Tell you if your sins original. If it is, try playin it safer, Drink the wine and chew the wafer. Two, four, six, eight Time to transubstantiate. These and several others I sang, and thankfully she gigled through this - which complemented Lehrer for the genius of lyrics which could evidently not be destroyed by even my singing. Before we were able to really talk much more her manager came over and spirited her away to meet someone else. The whole experience took less than five minutes but was certainly one of the strangest experiences of my life. Several years later I was able to give her the three Tom Lehrer albums backstage at one of her concerts during the Shadows and Light Tour. I heard second hand she once mentioned Lehrer in an interview but never saw the actual interview. I hope it's true. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 12:12:10 +1200 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: Joni Story Paz wrote: > Here is a Joni story as related by a friend of mine from > another of the lists I am even last active on. Has anyone > ever heard this guy Tom Lehrer songs before. He was really > a hoot. What a great story! And yes, I've definitely heard of Tom Lehrer - my parents were big fans, and I grew up listening to his records. I'm sure my mother still has them somewhere (since she never throws anything away) so I'll look out for them next time I'm up that way! Hell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:53:06 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Joni & Christie Brinkley I don't know if anyone wrote in about this yet. I was reading the July issue of Good Housekeeping and find this in the article on Christie Brinkley (who turned 50). To paraphrase, to celebrate her 50th, she took the family to Paris to have her picture taken with her kids on the Eiffel Tower. Okay, sure. We all do that. Whatever. Then this: "... a surprise party (her husband) threw for her at a local restaurant. There, her husband presented her with a self-portrait by Joni Mitchell, whose music she has always adored. "It was signed!" say says, as if she still can't quite believe it. 'For Christie, From Joni Mitchell.' Her husband's gesture, she says "overwhelmed" her." Okay, which one was it? TI? Clouds? TTT? Hmmmm. I swatted my husband with the magazine to ask what he's done for me lately. (But I was just kidding.) Thankfully, he has about 3 more years to work on it... Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:04:39 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni Story Great story Mr. Paz- > she was at > the party. I had by then met quite a few truly famous people and normally > was fairly unaffected by their fame, charisma etc., but something about > Joni Mitchell caused me to be incredibly shy. She is quite a small woman > and either through my normal protective nature toward small women or > through my projection of her from her music I found her incredibly > attractive and seemingly vulnerable. I talked to others and didn't approach > her. This reminds me of what a friend of mine told me-he was a guitar soloist on the folk circuit, and ended up at a party with Joni-he said everyone was kind of intimidated by her, including himself, and didn't approach her. Intense Scorpio. Tom Lehrer sold quite a few records during his brief carreer (he quit after a couple of albums). His song "Pollution" is one of the more well known- If you visit American city, You will find it very pretty. Just two things of which you must beware: Don't drink the water and don't breathe the air. and possibly a warning to Bill Clinton: Pollution, pollution, Wear a gas mask and a veil. Then you can breathe, long as you don't inhale. Some other songs were "Poisoning Pidgeons in the Park" and "The Vatican Rag". That guy Mark Russell on PBS is doing a similar thing. Or Capital Steps. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:14:19 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & Christie Brinkley Lindsay writes: << 'For Christie, From Joni Mitchell.' >> Hmmm. Could this be the unknown Photo Beauty? I think I have read something before about Joni and Christie being friends, or about Christie's fandom. - --Smurf, who was ecstatic to get the Hissing Demos for his birthday! "Treat a work of art like a prince. Let it speak to you first." - --Artie Schopenhauer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 03:12:27 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: Fahrenheit 9/11 (JC?) Has anyone here noted that Michael Moore's production company is called Dog Eat Dog Films? The company released its first film "Roger and Me" in 1989, 4 years after Mitchell released her album. Anyone care to speculate, or have reference on why Moore named the company Dog Eat Dog? CC "You know, neither a borrower nor a lender be." --JM _________________________________________________________________ Make the most of your family vacation with tips from the MSN Family Travel Guide! http://dollar.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:14:56 -0600 From: "Norman Pennington" Subject: Fw: It's getting awful lonely in the rock'n'roll hall of fame/svc Forwarded from the Van Morrison list...a Joni mention in paragraph 8. One man's opinion...but I tend to agree. Best Regards, bp Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 5:13 PM Subject: It's getting awful lonely in the rock'n'roll hall of fame/svc http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/thereview.cfm?id=734372004 It's getting awful lonely in the rock'n'roll hall of fame JONATHAN TREW WHEN they laid Ray Charles to rest wearing his trademark dark glasses some days ago, the list of living rockbnbroll legends became significantly shorter. The artists that qualify as musical legends is a subjective one, but by any standards, names are crossed off it much faster than they are added. Anyone can become a pop idol these days, but the number of genuine legends is shrinking and it is debatable who can fill their shoes. There are plenty of acts who have been massively successful, but thatbs not the same thing. In some cases they have sold truckloads more records than those with a truly legendary legacy. Madonna is a global phenomenon, but so were The Spice Girls, and both prove sales donbt necessarily confer lasting credibility. What sounds right for its time can sound like nails on a blackboard two years later. The Spice Girlsb Wannabe was a great single when it came out. Now the CIA could loop it and use it to break the spirit of suspected terrorist detainees in Guantanamo. REM, U2 and Radiohead can make albums that stand the test of time, but they are still a bit wet behind the ears to count as legends. At the other end of the scale, Eminem made a huge impact but he has a long road to travel before he can be considered a legend. Hip-hop doesnbt work that way. He is going to look pretty silly singing about what a pain his Mom was when he is 45, balding and exhibiting middle age spread. There is more to being a legend than simple longevity anyway, although the ability to outlive your peers is definitely an asset. Tina Turner and Cher seem to have been around for as long as the combustion engine, but they did not alter the musical landscape as they passed through it. They just dropped a few sequins. Tom Jones and Cliff Richard have made almost a centurybs worth of music between them, but that doesnbt make them legends. They have both long lacked a sense of rockbnbroll credibility. Jones became a parody of himself before he even attempted his hip-hop album, and Cliffbs yearly desperation to score the Christmas No 1 does him no favours. Itbs hard to imagine the late Johnny Cash ever bemoaning the fact that Bob the Builder beat him to the Yuletide hotspot. One definition of rockbnbroll legends might be that they were either pioneers or popularisers. Elvis would be at the top of any list, and Bob Marley, Jimi Hendrix, Joni Mitchell, Aretha Franklin, the Beatles and Bill Haley couldnbt be missed out. The Rolling Stones should be in there, but much like a Lothario who is good looking and knows it, Jagger has been unbearable for a number of years now. People such as Lou Reed, the New York Dolls, David Byrne, Kraftwerk and Grandmaster Flash were all hugely influential on shaping the music of the past 20 years, but itbs hard to see them as legends. Tellingly, it is a term none of them would be happy with anyway. If anyone had told BB King he was a legend, he would have laughed and said "thank you". The same comment with Lou Reed would earn a hard stare and a poke in the eye. The legends who are still touring are a hit and miss bunch. Dylan played Scotland last week and he is still worshipped, perhaps more than his performances of the past few years have deserved. Jerry Lee Lewis was a shadow of his former Hellzapoppinb self when he last played here. Brian Wilson seems to have hit a much deserved golden patch and one suspects Van Morrison will keep on delivering even if they have to wheel him out in a Bath chair. Chuck Berry plays Edinburgh tonight. Promoted not as bab but as btheb legend of rockbnbroll, he certainly has the chutzpah to play up to his reputation, and maybe even the energy of his youth. James Brown is in town next week and, assuming he manages to avoid any more domestics, is expected to show just what makes a rockbnbroll legend. Catch them while you can, because Britney & Co wonbt fill their stack-heeled shoes. Chuck Berry plays Edinburgh Playhouse tonight; Van Morrison plays Clyde Auditorium, Glasgow, Tuesday; James Brown plays Carling Academy, Glasgow, Wednesday ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 02:06:33 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: June 28 On June 28 the following articles were published: 1967: "$1.75 admission" - Variety (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=642 2000: "Minutes" - Legislative Assembly of Saskatchewan (Appreciation) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=708 2000: "Saskatoon gallery hosts Joni Mitchell retrospective" - CBC Entertainment (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=530 2002: "Tower Pits the Garden Crowd Against Joni Mitchell Fans" - New York Times (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=900 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #181 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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