From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #177 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, June 24 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 177 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- jonidrone(r) ["robin mortlock" ] RE: typeface ["robin mortlock" ] poem ["robin mortlock" ] Re: jonidrone(r) ["robin mortlock" ] Re: jonidrone(r) [Em ] RE:only an Artist [steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle Tedder)] THE BEGINNING OF SURVIVAL ["Suzanne MarcAurele" ] Re: Where does Joni live now and what does she do? [Randy Remote ] Today's Library Links: June 24 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:28:44 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: jonidrone(r) Hi With reference to Jonivangelism i feel i have surpassed that and become a 'Jonidroner' - ie evangelising to the point of extreme boredom. Sorry folks and sorry Joni - i try to keep my mouth shut but i cant. I recently got into a bit of a ding dong when someone referred to Norah Jones as 'The Queen' - well i'm sure you can imagine my reaction..... it began with me hissing 'she's not the QUEEN...' ! I think i upset people and am quite unflinching in my defence of the true monarch. Other than that i have witnessed many a glazed eye and friends groan/shout/beat me as soon the J-word is mentioned. I am trying to curb my preaching as it is putting people off (Joni, not me). On a different note i was at a sound check for a band who play trad Irish music and ballads (called Alannah - the girl has a fine voice) and to check the mike the singer sang 'Both Sides Now' very casually and beautifully. I was in a quiet backwater of heaven for a few minutes - great stuff. yours gagged and bound Robin Ps. Has anyone heard of Joni Mitchell?!?! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Help STOP spam with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:33:10 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: RE: typeface Does smoe use the Courier font exclusively? : ) > >Most mail is just plain text (your was, for example). In that >case, your mail program will display it with a fixed -width font >(like Courier). You can change that in your mail program's >settings, someplace. > >Currently, HTML mail is converted to plain text as well, since >Majordomo 1 can't do digests when the mail is HTML. > >Majordomo 2 can do the right thing with HTML, and we're planning >on moving to it soon. We've been testing it for the last year and >all of our new lists are running with Majordomo2 instead... > >I hope this helps! Hmmmmm, well major-domo, will just boot my byte-server, width-font my fixing and not forgetting the HMTLPQ 43 with the DOMIN-A-TRIX 69........... thanks for info. Suddenly i'm a little out of my depth....... yours, wishing he hadn't asked robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:35:01 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: poem Something stirred in me shadowed, ruby eyes spooned me in my sleep woke me with the creeps when i was making love for money The Devil Or something older. A lover, though the blood ran colder A reptile in the dark blinked and left it's mark When i was making love, it's not funny Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:07:38 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: Re: jonidrone(r) >From: Em They kind of look at me sideways with worry as if to say "Joni >Mitchell"?? "Wasn't that in the past"? Yes I know that experience. Someone scoffed at me once for saying i loved her and he said, snorting, - "Well i used to listen to her when i was a STUDENT." (Which was sometime ago) To which i replied, red faced, anger stifled- "And did you learn anything?". We changed to subject after that. Its hard to take sneering when you carry this music close to you. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:30:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: jonidrone(r) Hi Robin thanks for popping that back onto the list. I just realized that I just replyed to "you" before, and not to the list as well. :) Em - --- robin mortlock wrote: > > > >From: Em They kind of look at me sideways with worry as if to say > "Joni > >Mitchell"?? "Wasn't that in the past"? > > Yes I know that experience. Someone scoffed at me once for saying i > loved her and he said, snorting, - "Well i used to listen to her when > i > was a STUDENT." (Which was sometime ago) To which i replied, red > faced, > anger stifled- "And did you learn anything?". We changed to subject > after > that. > > Its hard to take sneering when you carry this music close to you. > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. > ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:56 +0100 (BST) From: steph@cix.co.uk (Anita Gabrielle Tedder) Subject: RE:only an Artist Spideog wrote (robinjamesmortlock@hotmail.com): "What i have always been very admirable of in Joni's work is her detachment - which is odd from an artist that has given us so many insights into her own existence. This quality of letting go of disturbing patterns of thought through music and word and making it, in the main, quite blissful to be around is a great achievement. When i listen to her i feel i am involved in a pattern and not a person, not an ego or even a soul but a distinct slice of that, a story if you like, but never the person - i like this quality and think i has alot to do with her music's longevity. This creates in need a dependency on the work but not her which is why i dont really understand all this cafuffle (spelling?) about the new Geffen release." I find your comments, Spideog, most interesting. As you say,it is a strange mix of detachment and personal revelation that Joni offers. I think I have moved between the states of being you describe (pattern/person).These days I am much more touch with Joni - as - artist (I actually wrote arsist. Freudian slip?). At my most vulnerable time (probably at the time of Blue)I could have been a Joni stalker were I not ensconced in middle England. That feels like an awful confession - but it's true and I imagine (or perhaps hope I'm not the sole loony on the list) that others might have felt like that at times,too. I think it's the thing I described in my earlier mail on this subject about empowering others to 'know the way' and the truth. With my own lostness it seemed that Joni had a way of expression which alleviated my personal suffering so that meant, at that time to me, that SHE KNEW. I suppose in that way I was really dependent on her music but also my projection of her. As well as years of therapy, what helped me to get over her was meeting her for the first time in Paris in the early 80s. I was actually quite terrified I would be a complete plonker and throw myself at her feet and never detach :~) In fact,as so many on this list have said who've met her, she was really very nice,very kind, posed for photos and, as she had a really bad cold, so we talked cold remedies. This was so helpful to me as I could see the person and not my projection.It was such a relief that I didn't want to camp outside her hotel - which I was so afraid I might.I just suggested Vick for her cold! Whatever she releases be it old or new i have been fed and its the kind of food that makes one question the origin of its hunger. I too have been well nourished by her music, intrigued by its origin and I am so glad I can now see her as a pensioner who might need to make as much money as she can! It's a relief to me to no longer see her as a prophet though, if I'm honest, I still think she might be regarded by history as a mystic. She definitely taps into something but like you, I feel that whatever she does - even warble Baa Baa Black Sheep - it makes no difference to me. I can choose whether or not I want to buy it and I have 36 years worth of unsurpassable Joni music in my life and for that I will always feel truly blessed. Yours also letting goingly Anita xx yours letting-goingly Spideog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:49:24 -0400 From: "Suzanne MarcAurele" Subject: THE BEGINNING OF SURVIVAL There is a path for each of us, Mitchell wrote of her awakenings etc on her path - survival...hmm lets see...survival is not smoldering in the SOS ranting politics...survival...pursuing something more than our usual eat go to job ... anyway Joni lives in Joni, no doubt owns several residences, yes I would love to have new work but how many times can a person metaphorically say WAKE UP? Given Joni's ultra sensitivity to the rest of the world ... I'd venture the first beginnings of survival for her was the giving up of her child ...for me I must be the dumbest of all because it has taken standing on my feet for 50 hours a week until my feet feel like they are broken to realize I am only an expert on DENIAL and looking back DENIAL for many of us is the beginning of BLIND survival.... If I would say anything against our life it would be the immense emphasis on love, need to be loved that juxtaposes itself to our own internal processing of our personal historical data, likes dislikes, and results in no satisfaction because idiotically we expect someone, everyone to mirror what our ego desires at any given moment....while I have lived in denial of my social place, I have always hoped that someone would realize the point about our ego because then I could have love...instead our current existence continues to feed us all this love stuff and our mind is saying don't got it and well, I guess Mitchell needed something else than the yelping of us all because we are too dumb to talk straight to one another and literally try to have total communication... Ghastly I know but somebody's got to do it :) S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:30:23 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Border's Book Store has a Joni Freebie For those of us that like these kind of things............... In the music department of Borders is a 61 page advertisement booklet titled: BORDERS ROCK ESSENTIALS free for the taking. The front and back of this booklet is made up of colored pictures of album covers. Court & Spark is in the middle of the front cover and repeated on the back. Page 17 is dedicated to JONI MITCHELL along with a picture of her and the following albums: BLUE 1971 COURT AND SPARK 1974 HEJIRA 1976 The page reads: There's a good chance you know someone who went through a BLUE period. While that epoch-making 1971 Joni Mitchell work cast a spell over untold numbers of listeners, it's merely one high- light in a distinguished boy of work by one of the most important women in the rock era. Interlacing folk, pop, country, jazz, and other sounds, Michell - born in Alberta, Canada, in 1943 - started amassing a fan base late in the 1960's. After her eponymous debut, her second album, Ladies of the Canyon, gave the world the now-classic "Big Yellow Taxi and also contained "Woodstock", which soon after became a smash for Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young. Then came other intensely reflective efforts like 1974's Court and Spark - featuring "Help Me" and "Free Man in Paris" - as well as the jazzy The Hissing of Summer Lawns and Hejira, which was a precursor of world music. Each new record represents a bend in the road for this adventurous and innovative songstress. In the mid '90s, Mitchell released Turbulent Indigo, a musically plaintive, marvelously crafted recording whose lyrics centered on her profound concerns over societal violence, winning the singer-songwriter a pair of Grammy's. Taming the Tiger and Both Sides Now followed, the latter placing Mitchell in a lush orchestral setting, earning another Grammy. Mitchell declared the vravura 2002 release Travelogue her swan song as a recording artist. The back of the booklet has an alphabetical index of the different Artists in the booklet. This may have been out for awhile but I just found it myself. So I apologize to anyone else who already alerted JMDL to this. I'm on digest and don't read all the posts and digests as they come in. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:11:46 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: JONI mentioned in CARLY SIMON article in INTERVIEW magazine The July 2004 issue of INTERVIEW magazine with Natalie Portman on the cover (see cover picture here: http://www.interviewmagazine.com/) has a three page interview with Carly Simon, with three additional pages of 8 x 10 new color photos. The interviewer is designer Michael Kors and the photographs are by Roberto D'este. The Article begins like this: Along with Joni Mitchell, Carole King, and Laura Nyro, Carly Simon was at the fore of a generation of female singer-songwriters who not only bared their souls, but brought an urban, intellectual spin to pop.................... MK interviewer: But by the early '70's, all the rules went "phhfft" and dissolved. Suddenly music changed, fashion changed. I remember going out to dinner with my grandparents in the late 60's, and my grandfather would say, "Look at all these hippies!" But then the 70's came, and my grandmother - this upstanding matron - without even knowing it, was wearing fringed suede. Maybe she didn't buy it on McDougal Street, but it was fringed suede nonetheless. And music was not so specific that you thought, Well, this is the new R&B, this is the new folk, this is the new pop. The most interesting things were a blend. Carly responds: You know why that was? In part because disc jockeys were allowed to play what they wanted to. There weren't regimented play lists - what they played was all based on their tastes. So many artists who came out during that time, including myself, were able to get on radio. New forms of singer-songwriters developed out of that. Certainly Bob Dylan paved the way, and the Beatles, but there weren't that many people in the '60's who were primarily singer-songwriters. There was Randy Newman, Cat Stevens, James Taylor, Joni Mitchell, Carole King. That's what I was listening to and I thought to myself, Gosh, I want to write songs.......................... I thought this was interesting about Carly.......never read this before, has anyone else?...........no wonder she's so talented! MK: .........today there are three generations of customers. For example, we had a dress this past spring that was worn by both Mary J. Blige and (socialite) Nan Kempner! I don't know that there's one ideal anymore, and I think people like you paved the way. Carly: It's pretty interesting. It didn't matter as much because I'm a singer, not an actress, but my face is more acceptable in a way now than when I first came on the scene, because I'm part black. My mother's mother was black. I'm Jewish, Black, Cuban and French. And about her dealings with cancer: CS: My mother was a great role model. She had arthritis in her fingers even when she was my age, but she used to look at her hands and say, "Isn't this beautiful? Look at the shape. Don't they look like gnarled tree trunks? And whether or not she really felt that, that's what she did for us.......................... My scar is beautiful. It looks like an arrow. I didn't bother rubbing things into it or having any silicone injections. I just keep it that way because I liked it..............I want to do something classy and great - something where the residuals will go to the cause. I thought of having a designer make a beautiful dress with cutouts here (points at scar) and doing a picture of me wearing it. I just want to show off my scar proudly and not be afraid of it. A really strong woman accepts the war she went through and is ennobled by her scars. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:14:07 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Where does Joni live now and what does she do? !!!! At first I thought this might be a silly rumor because I knew nothing of this but then again I am often the last person on my block to know of such things... So... I NEED DETAILS! Someone? Although almost everyone on this list has met Joni I HAVE NOT! (but I've met lots of her musician friends) & now she is hanging out in MY TOWN?! Where I have an annual tribute in her honor every year!? And I did not know this?! LOL... I am trying to guess which Italian (?) restaurant keeper this might be (in a town where the majority of the restaurants are Italian...lol) ... hmmm... Kate www.katebennett.com >I met a musician who's a good friend of Joni. He told me she lives in Santa Barbara, and that she has been dating with a restaurant keeper lately (I'm not sure if this guy was italian, and that's something I heard a year ago). < >I did enjoy hearing that she may be hanging out in Santa Barbara these days with a new boyfriend. As far as meeting Joni, I have estimated that upwards of 70 people on the list have met her since the list was started.< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:29:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Subject: Where does Joni live now and what does she do? - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > !!!! > At first I thought this might be a silly rumor > because I knew nothing of > this but then again I am often the last person on my > block to know of such > things... > > So... I NEED DETAILS! Someone? Although almost > everyone on this list has met > Joni I HAVE NOT! (but I've met lots of her musician > friends) & now she is > hanging out in MY TOWN?! Where I have an annual > tribute in her honor every > year!? And I did not know this?! LOL... I am trying > to guess which Italian > (?) restaurant keeper this might be (in a town where > the majority of the > restaurants are Italian...lol) ... hmmm... I'm sure there a plenty of good restaurants in Santa Barbara that you've been dying to try. Now's your chance. (I haven't met Joni either. I'm sure I would stand there with my jaw down around my knees, drooling or something, so I'm kind of glad I haven't.) ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:54:39 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Where does Joni live now and what does she do? Catherine wrote: > I'm sure there a plenty of good restaurants in Santa > Barbara that you've been dying to try. Now's your > chance. Hey Kate: Is there a Daily Grill there? ; ) There's one across the street from my office in Bethesda. Wish Joni would show up THERE! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:44:35 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: FW: Pete Townshend likes Joni - ------ Forwarded Message From: Michael Paz Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:43:57 -0500 To: Guy Brown Subject: Re: Pete Townshend likes Joni Thanks for posting this. I quite like the Travelogue collection as well unlike some of the heathens on this list. Best Paz P.S. Glad to see Kakki back! (with half full martini glass raised towards the west) > I was reading Pete's diary at > > http://www.petetownshend.co.uk/diary/display.cfm?id=88&zone=diary > > and found this para: > > I am listening to Joni Mitchell's' CD called TRAVELOGUE. It is a revisit to > her career with full orchestra. It is, quite simply, a quantum masterpiece. > Joni is at the peak of her powers. Even her paintings seem to me to be > especially revelatory gathered as they are in the sleeve. Someone told me > last night, after The Who's show at Madison Square Garden, that she plans no > more recording. If she never made another record, this one will stand as a > testament not only to her work, but to the greatness of American Orchestral > music. I hear Oliver Nelson, Aaron Copland, Edgar Meyer and even Thomas > Newman in this work. But her arranger, under the guidance of her ex- husband > Larry Klein - who could do nothing more to express his ongoing love and > respect - is Vince Mendoza. This guy knows how to score, and someone > certainly knows how to fix the right musicians. > - ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:20:06 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Where does Joni live now and what does she do? Nice to have you back, Kakki ! Kakki wrote: > Hello all, > > I've been off the scope for several weeks but began to check my email after > hearing the sad news of MG's passing - so hard to comprehend. Julius - > thank you for such a beautiful tribute to her. > > I also noticed that Lori sent in an old post of mine from Sept. 29, 2001 in > response to what Joni is up to and which related the day Stephen from > Vancouver and I had a chat with her at lunch. Since the recent repost I > have had some private inquiries about my "recent" lunch with Joni!! Just > wanted to clarify that the post was from a long time ago and that I have not > had a recent meet-up with her ;-) I did enjoy hearing that she may be > hanging out in Santa Barbara these days with a new boyfriend. As far as > meeting Joni, I have estimated that upwards of 70 people on the list have > met her since the list was started. Most of the meetings have been after > concerts or at her art exhibitions. Everyone has related how friendly and > fantastic she is and many of those recollections can be found in the JMDL > archives or at JoniMitchell.com. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:26:06 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: jonivangelism Patti Parlette wrote: > Lori and Randy wrote: > > >jon-i-van-gel-ist (noun) > >one who attempts to influence others through the use of the > >recordings or other works of Joni Mitchell > > What a great compliment, Randy! Thanks!! : ) > > Lori, > laughing it all away > > ----------------- > > Jonivangelism is a GOOD thing! Recently I was at an Italian restaurant, > picking up my favorite Frutti Di Mare pizza, and Counting Crows' BYT was > playing. I felt it my absolute duty to educate the sweet young high school > girl who was ringing up my order. I asked: "Do you know who wrote this > song?" She offered: "Counting Crows?" > > "No", I smiled. "Joni Mitchell. The greatest singer, songwriter/poet, > musician and artist of all time!" > > "Oh", she nodded and smiled, a little cluelessly, but I hope a little seed > was planted. (Or, more likely, the girl just thought: "What a nutcase -- > this chick is TWISTED!") > > In any case, Jonivangelists must always seize the opportunity to spread the > good news and make the world a better place! > > Peace, > > Patti Fer sure, fer sure! And amazingly, only this week, Counting Crows version of BYT dropped off the Billboard Adult Contemporary Chart after 57 weeks! Over a year! This is Joni for the record books! Spread the good news! Can I get a "shoo-bop"? Brother Randall ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:12:36 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: June 24 On June 24 the following articles were published: 1967: "Music Scene" - Ottawa Citizen (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1145 1998: "Back to the Garden" - Addicted To Noise website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=27 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #177 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)