From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #164 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, June 13 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 164 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- neverland ["mike pritchard" ] sweden [colin ] Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish [Deb Messling ] Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish [Lori Fye ] new joni dvd ["joe farrell" ] Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish [Randy Remote ] Re: A Case of You - not for the squeamish [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Very sad news about Mary Grace [Brei Gross ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Very sad news about Mary Grace ["Lama, Jim L'Homm] RE: Very sad news about Mary Grace ["hell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:38:10 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: neverland Mac said >> There was no sex there then and won't be now, not in my never land. >> smurf continued >>That's pretty much how things have been going lately in my Neverland, too!<< Only good taste prevents me from mentioning Michael Jackson in this context, and address. mike in barcelona NP Elisabet Raspall Grup - Vale la pena ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:59:01 +0100 From: colin Subject: sweden off to sweden right now to take one of my girls to stud. not back till 21st. - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 08:42:48 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish **eh, i've heard much much worse. As have I, certainly. And when this one started out, I was sort of liking it, and then it made a hard left into a much rougher place. It's hard to beat Chad Jasmine's "Rainy Night House" in my book for a rotten Joni cover - his screechy voice, sometimes on pitch, sometimes not, all over what sounds like a little Schroeder-type toy piano. Really tough to take. But as we always say, it's all about opinion and personal taste. I actually get a real jolt out of the ones that stand out in their uniqueness. This week I had the pleasure of getting a CD with an 11-minute jazz workout of "For The Roses" on it. A bit excessive at times, but very adventurous and an exciting listen. I suppose too that when I made my initial posting and critique I was just looking for a response. So rather than just say "here's a Joni cover" I put a teaser line in there as an intro. Anyway, it worked - I did get a little feedback and after all it WAS Joni content. But I am sorry if anyone was offended, that's really never my intent. I DO agree with Hell, though...I've spent thousands of bucks and hours on my nutty little hobby, and part of the fun of it for me is having and sharing my opinions. Bob NP: Jolie Holland, "Mad Tom of Bedlam" (anyone else listening to this one, she sounds like a cross between Gillian Welch & Leon Redbone!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 09:20:53 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish What about the guy at Symphony Space who did Turbulent Indigo as if he were Bill Murray doing his lounge-lizard bit? "Turbulent Indigo, whoa, whoa..." At 08:42 AM 6/12/2004 -0400, you wrote: >As have I, certainly. And when this one started out, I was sort of liking it, >and then it made a hard left into a much rougher place. > >It's hard to beat Chad Jasmine's "Rainy Night House" in my book for a rotten >Joni cover - his screechy voice, sometimes on pitch, sometimes not, all over >what sounds like a little Schroeder-type toy piano. Really tough to take. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- messling@enter.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 06:30:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: [none] Catherine wrote: Probably not a good time to put in a plug for Jonifest, eh? After Ric said: no kidding deb! what HYPOCRISY! if this person had given that very same performance at one of the joni pod conventions, you'd all be raving about how astonishing it was...how life altering...how the tears streamed down your poddy faces... Now I say: Actually Catherine, I think it's the perfect time to plug Jonifest. I get your point Ric and agree with you to some extent, but why use it as an opportunity to call Jonifest a pod convention? Just because a handful of listers - some who've been to fest and some who haven't - criticized someone's rendition of Case of You you feel it necessary to ridicule every person who has ever attended and been moved by going to Jonifest? Seems unnecessary. Care to explain? Jenny Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 07:17:31 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish Catherine asked: > Probably not a good time to put in a plug for Jonifest, eh? Why not? And while we're at it, let's rename it: Joni Pod Convention 2004! Jenny, can you rework your logo? : ) Lori, who doesn't recall ever being moved to tears at JoniFest, although, like Helen, I've certainly given lots of applause ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:32:08 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Karrin Allyson Go here: http://www.broadwayworld.com/viewcolumn.cfm?colid=957 to see and hear Karrin sing Joni. Sounds like a great, new cd. I've been a long time fan. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:53:19 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case Of You - now Jonifest >Lori, >who doesn't recall ever being moved to tears at JoniFest Oh, ho ho! Well, I hope you're coming this year Lori. I was just talking to Alison in UT and we're kicking around the idea of heading east, far east, to the Catskills for the Fest! And if I do, I'll be making my guitar-playing performance debut! Trust me, you won't be able to bite back the tears for love or money! - -Julius p.s.- Joni Pod? Does that mean there'll be pink-dressed Stepford wives for all? Woo hoo. Catherine asked: > > >Probably not a good time to put in a plug for Jonifest, eh? > > Why not? And while we're at it, let's rename it: Joni Pod Convention 2004! > > Jenny, can you rework your logo? > > : ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 14:54:00 +0000 From: "robin mortlock" Subject: Joni Close Encounters - In Your Dreams! Hey all, I have had a few dreams with Joni featuring strongly - the first happened about 8 years ago and run up to the most recent:- 1) She was lying in a hammock and we were in a sunlit room, I passed her a joint and she took a drag, leaned back into the hammock and closed her eyes and didnt speak. There was a tremendous sense of peace. It felt like a teaching of how to use smoke properly - very much unlike how i was using it at the time. 2) I was a working in a hotel and Joni came into an outside area where there were picinic benches and a few people milling about. She was holding a pack of cigarettes and a lighter and looked beautiful, intimidating and a little on guard, aware that she was recongnised by the staff - me. 3) In a grey room (!) like a sitting room, my brother was there and they were talking but she completely ignored me. She looked like a really scary old maid, wrinkly, haughty, horsey and grey. Later in the dream we were in the back of the house and there was a horse which acted as a connection point, we still didnt talk but bonded through the horse. The air was alot lighter and more colourful. 4) In a kind of seaside shopping mall - she was with friends and very giddy and vibrant, friendly. She was visiting Ireland (where i live) and i asked her about Cork (a city i love) and she said she didnt like it and thought the art scene there unimpressive. 5) My brother and I were at the exhibition in her home town and we were looking at the scrapbook her mother had donated to the gallery. (this the most recent and had been reading all about the 2 exhibiitons). Then in came her daughter and Joni both in high spirits - i talked mainly to her daughter - the feeling was intensely exciting - yet calm. Other moments more like movie snaps - like the one at Woodstock, she was sitting on the ground, completely happy and radiant. Anymore dreams out there that you lot want to share..... dreamily, Robin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:24:54 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Karrin Allyson Thanks for the link, Jerry. I too am looking forward to my copy, which is on the way. LOTS of good songs on it, and the clips featured there just whet my appetite. Karrin's job on Blue Motel Room was perfect, exactly the way I envisioned that song presented in a jazz vocal setting. And I can't wait to hear her do Roberta Flack's "Feel Like Makin' Love". When the original was a hit in the 70's it would always stop me dead in my tracks. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:32:14 -0500 From: Subject: RE: A Case of You - not for the squeamish Got to say that I honestly didn't think this was so bad. Certainly, I was expecting, and have heard, much worse. The singer actually has a rather nice vocal quality, with a bit of vibrato going on, and stays on pitch throughout (to my ear, anyway). Just a question. To all who loved Diana Krall's version of the same song: what's the difference? Oh, I know there may be a big difference in the overall quality of the singing, and the recording. But Krall's version, which many were so ecstatic about, struck me as a soulless exercise in re-arranging notes in which she attempted to manufacture emotion that she didn't really feel. To me, this recording may have been closer to the mark. Mary, ducking. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 18:48:45 +0100 From: "joe farrell" Subject: new joni dvd Is the new Joni dvd "Refuge of the Road" only going to be released as a Region 1 NTSC edition, like "Shadows and Light"?. Thus excluding those of us in the UK with Region 2 non NTSC dvd players. Hope not. Joe. np Hissing of Summer Lawns. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:53:36 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish **What about the guy at Symphony Space who did Turbulent Indigo as if he were Bill Murray doing his lounge-lizard bit? "Turbulent Indigo, whoa, whoa..." Ay Dios Mio Deb...WHY did you have to remind me of thie one? Hopefully I won't get it stuck in my head, that would be so-whoa-whoa awful. If this was a recording instead of a live performance it would EASILY rival Chad's Rainy Night House. And looking ahead - there's an "All I Want" up the road ahead that's a contender as well. Bob NP: Todd Rundgren, "Liars" (my favorite CD of 2004 by a big margin so far) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:01:19 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish Oh, it's not that bad-classic shower stall singing. We've all done it. She calls herself The Redheaded Poet, but her homepage consists mostly of links to photo galleries-like her 1997 graduation. The musical clips appear to be an afterthought, but she has tons of diary entries and poems, and writes well: I picked up Josh Groban's cd and walked back passed the display of new mass-markets, trying to summon up enough scorn for the both of us. I remember the day we both admitted our obnoxiously smug prejudice, that if the book were any good at all it would at least be in trade paperback, if not hardcover. So, Bob, is this going on the collection? Where do you draw the line? RR SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Scroll to the bottom and click - if you dare, mwah hah hah.... > > http://www.redheadedpoet.com/music.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:26:26 -0700 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish > If this was a recording instead of a live performance it would EASILY rival > Chad's Rainy Night House. > I think I remember hearing Chad at your house.... it was quite dreadful indeed. Victor Victor Johnson New cd "Parsonage Lane" available now Produced by Chris Rosser at Hollow Reed Studios, Asheville http://www.waytobluemusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:35:42 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case Of You - not for the squeamish **So, Bob, is this going on the collection? Where do you draw the line? With this one. No...I dunno. I've certainly used unreleased downloads before, so I could use this one. I wasn't planning on it, but I may change my mind now that it's becoming so famous! It's not like I really NEED it, but then it's never been about need I guess. My feeling is that this girl just sang this acapella version of a song that Tori Amos sings that she really liked and just wanted to sing and share with her friends. I'll probably just let it lie. She's quickly become the William Hung of the Joni Covers world! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:31:37 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: RE: A Case of You - not for the squeamish Mary wrote: > Just a question. To all who loved Diana Krall's version of the same song: > what's the difference? Oh, I know there may be a big difference in the > overall quality of the singing, and the recording. But Krall's > version, which > many were so ecstatic about, struck me as a soulless exercise in > re-arranging > notes in which she attempted to manufacture emotion that she didn't really > feel. > > To me, this recording may have been closer to the mark. There's no need to duck - your opinion is just as valid as anyone else's! But I'll attempt to answer this, as someone who LOVES Krall's version of ACOY, and voiced a negative opinion on the "other" version! To my ear, there are vast differences between the two renditions. I think Krall does invoke an incredible amount of emotion in this song, and having witnessed her performing it live (here in Auckland) I can say she had the audience (including myself) absolutely spell-bound - you could have heard a pin drop in the few silent moments during the performance. There were also a few seconds of silence after the last note, then the audience erupted with applause and cheers. It was as if everyone needed a moment to collect themselves, before voicing their feelings. And her voice is incredible - definitely suited to how she arranged the song, with a huge amount of "depth" (for want of a better word). I think she DID put her heart and soul into it. I don't think the recording (either on the TNT Joni Tribute, or her Live in Paris CD) lacks in any of that emotion, either. The "other woman" (I don't know her name) lacks all that emotion (to me, at least). And like Bob, I was kind of enjoying it at first - not a soulful performance, but she has a reasonable voice, and it was in tune. But later in the song, she developed what I would call a "screeching" quality, where it sounded like she was trying too hard, and it resulted in more than a few flat notes. Perhaps some accompaniment would have softened this a little, or at least made it a little less noticeable - perhaps not. In any case, for me the enjoyment of a performance is as much about who is singing the song, as it is about the song itself. For example, I didn't like Elton John's performance of Free Man In Paris (from the TNT Joni Tribute) because I just don't like his voice - although I do love the song. The same applies to Bryan Adams or Elvis Costello singing anything! On the whole, I tend not to like covers so much - I usually prefer the songwriters renditions, because they (naturally) have a better idea of the emotion the song should convey. But there are always exceptions, eg. Krall's version of ACOY, Bonnie Raitt's version of That Song About The Midway, or CSNY's version of Woodstock. Hell ____________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:07:23 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Case of You - not for the squeamish Very well put, Hell - we agree on all points as far as your comparisons go. I felt like she started out simply enough (VERY simply considering she was singing acapella) and felt like she had to keep notching up the vibrato to convey an upsurge in emotion. Mary you said she uses a "bit of vibrato", I would say that she cranks the old vibrato-meter up to 11 which is when she really started to move into P.U.-ville for me. Krall, on the other hand, doesn't use a faux-technique like singing louder or increasing the wobbliness of her vocal or anything like that; her version is a slow burn where she inhabits the lyric and makes you feel it (well, she makes ME feel it, she doesn't for you and that's cool). The "other woman" as you refer to her Hell reminds me of an actress I used to work with who thought if she slowed......her......lines.....down....it.....would...be.....more....dramatic. She basically drove us all nuts - spit the damn line out already, sheesh. Bob NP: Cowboy Junkies, "wild child" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 21:10:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Brei Gross Subject: Very sad news about Mary Grace I'm very sad to report to all of you, our Joni family, that I just got a phone call from Mary Grace Valentinsson Kunz's oldest daughter Signe, letting me know that her mom passed away earlier this evening. Mary Grace was at home with her husband Jeff, her children Signe, Mary Caitlyn, and Les along with her sisters Pat and Nancy, and was peaceful and pain-free at the end. Memorial service plans have not been made yet, with midweek this coming week as most likely. G-d rest her gentle soul. Brian and Mags __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 01:02:14 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Very sad news about Mary Grace If ever there was a soul who deserves a white casket, a horse drawn carriage and full honors, Mary Grace did. She earned her middle name by always being positive, no matter what life handed her. Now she can have Taylor's Ham anytime she pleases. Holy crow, I'll miss her humor. Jim L'Hommedieu Covington, KY, US PS: "G' night, MG. Say 'hi' to Charlie, Jaco, John Guerin, Wally, Kenny, and Andrea for us. Amen." >>From: Brei Gross >>I'm very sad to report to all of you, our Joni >>family, that I just got a phone call from >>Mary Grace Valentinsson Kunz's oldest >>daughter Signe, letting me >>know that her mom passed away earlier this evening. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:43:31 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: RE: Very sad news about Mary Grace Brian wrote: > I'm very sad to report to all of you, our Joni family, > that I just got a phone call from Mary Grace > Valentinsson Kunz's oldest daughter Signe, letting me > know that her mom passed away earlier this evening. I'm so sorry to hear of Mary Grace's passing - never has anyone truly suited their own name. I corresponded many times with her, both on- and off-list, and although we never met in person, I considered her a true friend. She seemed to embody Joni's lyric from Refuge of the Roads: "Heart and humour and humility". I'll miss her wisdom, humour and gentle spirit - the world was surely a better place with her in it. Rest in peace, MG. Hell ____________________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too" - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a whole new experience! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #164 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)