From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #148 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, May 28 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 148 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Maggie McNally is coming to London!!! [colin ] Joni Covers vol 31-40 ["Laurent Olszer" ] Guerin and Guerin (SJC) ["Timothy Spong" ] Mrs. Mitchell's 40 scrapbooks ["Timothy Spong" ] Re: Maggie McNally is coming to London!!! [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi] Re: Joni in Saskatoon [M C ] words, words, words [Dflahm@aol.com] Offer Closed: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 31-40 of JM Covers [Do] Come to the dinner gong [Lori Fye ] Re: woo hoo and coyote too ["Kate Bennett" ] New compilation CD [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: words, words, words [Smurfycopy@aol.com] Correct surname for Joni's Mother ["Timothy Spong" ] Really nice article/review of T'log [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Free Joni covers Mania! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: New compilation CD [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Alternative MINGUS tracks, our story to date, 100% JC ["Lama, Jim L'Homme] Re: "Songs of a Prairie Girl" 100% JC ["Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Today's Library Links: May 27 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] Re: New compilation CD [Catherine McKay ] Re: New compilation CD/ HOSL demo? [Em ] Re: New compilation CD / geffen box ["Ron" ] Re: New compilation CD / geffen box [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] THE BEGINNING OF SURVIVAL ["c Karma" ] re: THE BEGINNING OF SURVIVAL ["c Karma" ] Re: Weepy Smurph/Jonifest ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: New compilation CD / geffen box [Catherine McKay ] Joni Mitchell Show at American Conservatory Theatre in SF [Mike Friedman ] Re: Joni Mitchell Show at American Conservatory Theatre in SF [Richard Go] Today's Library Links: May 28 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:43:40 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Maggie McNally is coming to London!!! Ross, Les wrote: >Sorry for skipping the NJC tag but want to ensure that the Joni-Only gang >are in on this. > >Maggie and Alex are in London in June. A get together is suggested for >Friday 18th. > >Interested parties contact me off list to arrange something. > >Les (London) > > > oh shit! I am in Sweden from 15th to 20th, how long are you going to be in UK? - -- bw colin http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:05:32 +1000 From: "don whiteman" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Tribute night in Sydney Hi All, There is a venue in Sydney that host some of th ebest musicians in the world in a very cosy and intimate enviroment. It is called The Basement. Tomorrow night (20th May) they are hosting a Joni Mitrchell Tribute night. see www.thebasement.com.au or http://thebasement.com.au/club/buytix.asp# for further details. I am going and hope to take my 16yr old daughter along. I will post a review later in the week. regards Don Sydney Australia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 07:25:15 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Tribute night in Sydney **I am going and hope to take my 16yr old daughter along. I will post a review later in the week. Good on ya, mate - take good notes and send it when you get a chance, I'll be anxious to read your review. Is your daughter already a Joni fan or indoctrinating her with this event? Bob NP: Mickey & Sylvia, "Love Is Strange" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:44:31 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Pintos and such Mike F. wrote: > PS "Do the Hustle" made me think of the lovely silver "Disco Pinto" I > saw in the Long Beach gay Pride parade yesterday. It was a Ford Pinto > (remember those, children?) I'm sure Joni does as she used to drive one - according to Rick Scott, whose story about being picked up by her when hitchhiking I've posted a couple of times on the list. His story begins: "In 1971, I was hitchhiking with my wife Sue, my friend JR Stone and my dog Mousse, up the Sechelt (Sunshine) Coast of British Columbia. It was tough for three hippies and a dog to catch a ride, but after about half an hour a woman driving a beat up Ford Pinto pulled over." best to all PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:19:52 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni Covers vol 31-40 Hi Doug If not too late I'd be interested. Let me know. Thanks Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:39:38 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Guerin and Guerin (SJC) "Today's library links" for May 26 includes: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=576 ... wherein we read about a performance in New Orleans in 2000 organized by JMDLer Michael Paz where a jazz instrumental combo, including JMDLer David Lahm (pianist) and bassist Roland Guerin performed their takes on some Joni songs. Does anyone know if Roland Guerin is (was) related to late drummer John Guerin? Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:44:48 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Mrs. Mitchell's 40 scrapbooks On Tue, 25 May 2004, LCStanley7@aol.com wrote (on Subject: Re: Joni in Saskatoon) (in part): From the article posted on the list: Mitchell's collections of Indian baskets and art as well as clothing created by a Japanese designer and her mother's 40 scrapbooks could help fill the south downtown centre, she suggests. It should take an educational approach and encourage "the creativity of youth," she said. Recently, like last week and the week before, members have been speculating that among the factors driving Joni's songwriting was lack of full acceptance by her mother, whose expectations Joni did not live up to and in fact remained something of a disappointment, whereas Joni's father is very proud of his daughter. Doesn't the existence of Mrs. Mitchell's scrapbooks of Joni memorabilia tend to weigh against that proposition? Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 16:32:53 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: Maggie McNally is coming to London!!! This will be great! I haven't been to one in ages!!! K Joniminifest yaaay Jamie Zoob --- colin wrote: > Ross, Les wrote: > > >Sorry for skipping the NJC tag but want to ensure > that the Joni-Only gang > >are in on this. > > > >Maggie and Alex are in London in June. A get > together is suggested for > >Friday 18th. > > > >Interested parties contact me off list to arrange > something. > > > >Les (London) > > > > > > > oh shit! I am in Sweden from 15th to 20th, how long > are you going to be > in UK? > > -- > bw > colin > http://www.btinternet.com/~tantraapso/ ____________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:41:51 -0700 (PDT) From: M C Subject: Re: Joni in Saskatoon Hello, briefly out of lurkdom here. An idea occurred to me about the Joni center(s) being planned. Inside the center, how about online computers sitting here and there, set to the Joni Mithchell website/JMDL/chatroom. Thoughts? MC, back to the shadows Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:56:29 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: words, words, words Coyote chat made me think that a project about JM could beautifully be titled GETTIN' HOME WITH MY REAL TO REAL LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:09:15 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Offer Closed: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 31-40 of JM Covers Going to Laurent in France. Doug Eric's original post: In order to enable latecomers to the list or new traders have a chance of listening to Bob Muller's incredible compilation of covers of Joni's songs - some 1500 in all - this begins the launch of the Perpetual Joni Covers Trains. For those not familiar with trading trains, here is how they work. When the disks come to you, you make copies of as much of the contents as you want, and then you post back to this list offering to pass the disks along to the next person. You do not keep the originals -- you keep the copies you made for yourself. On most trains, the convention is that you make the copies and send the masters along within two days. For these trains, you must agree to turn them around within one week. Sometimes the offer goes unclaimed. Bob and I expect that to happen from time to time. So, by participating, you agree to just hang on to the disks and then make another offer a month or so later (or to respond if somebody posts a grovel looking for them). In theory, if everybody takes good care of the disks, wrapping them well, not letting them get scratched, etc. and passes them along, these covers will run on the tracks for years. Bob copied 50+ disks for me to launch this and I have copied them so there is a LOT of time sunk into offering these up. Nobody is going to monitor the progress of these trains so if you participate and then lose the disks or fail to reoffer them, you will have kept others from enjoying them. When you post an offer, please include these "rules". One final note, I know a few folks like to compress these into MP3s. If you want to, go ahead but please do not send MP3s to the next person - MP3s permanently delete some of the "data" and sound quality degrades so please pass the masters along. So, anybody who would like to receive volumes 31-40, please send me: 1. Your mailing address and 2. Your promise to reoffer, etc. If you want to know what is on the disks, please see this link: http://www.jmdl.com/covers/byvolume.cfm . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:46:49 -0700 From: Lori Fye Subject: Come to the dinner gong First, a conditional apology to the only-Joni crowd for this post. But since Jonifest is about getting together with like-minded people to sing and dance and share and have fun in the spirit of Joni, I want to include everyone. I was browsing through posts about Jonifest (on www.jonifest.com) and it occurred to me that those of you who have never been to the Full Moon don't know about the FOOD! So I put together some selected posts (and bits of posts) from the last two fests to entice you (and added the places people traveled from to be there) ... ... and just to be extra nice (and considerate of the only-Jonis), I've uploaded all of it here: http://lrfye.lunarpages.com/jonifestfood.html Lori, hoping to see lots of you in the Catskills in August! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:48:34 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: woo hoo and coyote too smurf >"Coyote to the Plains Indians?" "Clown and creator?" With "power both to order and undermine?" A doggie of duality? What's going on here? Does anyone know more about this? How many decades do I have to be on this list before I stop discovering new levels of meaning to Joni's songs?< living where I do this kind of thing has always been part of my life... when I see an animal that seems to be out of the ordinary everyday seeing (like my dog or cat) then I look it up to see what its message is for me... sometimes it is just staring right at me so there is no doubt it is trying to convey something important... one book I have is called animal-speak by ted andrews http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0875420281/102-5391704-1415312 ?v=glance another is medicine cards by Jamie Sams (& it looks like she has a new book called animal medicine which expands on her earlier work- I haven't read this one) http://www.jamiesams.com/ and if you do a google search for coyote medicine you will find many places to learn more about this coyote trickster... kate www.katebennett.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 15:22:25 -0400 From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: New compilation CD Well, this is interesting. I guess this is one of the two upcoming compilation CDs mentioned earlier (the other being the prairie girl-Saskatchewan collection). I'm not sure what this is about - I know Joni wants her work to be heard but I'm not sure I get it. Maybe it's to help sell the Geffen box set or for those who missed Misses. New Joni Mitchell Collection THE BEGINNING OF SURVIVAL Offers the Acclaimed Singer-Songwriter's Most Powerful Cultural Commentaries From Her Albums Since the Mid-'80s LOS ANGELES, May 26 /PRNewswire/ -- One of the most uncompromising, provocative and outspoken artists in music since the '60s, as well as one of its most admired, singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell throws down a timely political/environmental/cultural gauntlet in this election year with a unique compilation. THE BEGINNING OF SURVIVAL (Geffen/UMe), released July 27, 2004, brings together 16 of her most highly-charged "commentaries on the world in which we live," as she puts it, of the past nearly 20 years. THE BEGINNING OF SURVIVAL features tracks from DOG EAT DOG (1985), CHALK MARK IN A RAINSTORM (1988), NIGHT RIDE HOME (1991), TURBULENT INDIGO (1994) and TAMING THE TIGER (1998). Among the guest artists heard are Willie Nelson, Don Henley, James Taylor, Michael McDonald, Thomas Dolby, Wayne Shorter, Manu Katche, and actors Rod Steiger and Iron Eyes Cody. Each selection has been 96k/24-bit mastered from the original master tapes. Mitchell, who co-produced the collection, also contributes her original artwork and a revealing and instructive essay. In addition, the package includes complete lyrics and a copy of the famous 1852 Letter to the President from Chief Seattle, a philosophical cornerstone of the environmental movement. On THE BEGINNING OF SURVIVAL, Mitchell, who has been honored with a Lifetime Achievement Grammy and was listed among VH1's millennium-ending "100 Greatest Women Of Rock 'N' Roll," rails against the evils in modern society and offers hope for the future. She tackles consumerism in "The Reoccurring Dream" and exploitation in "The Windfall (Everything For Nothing)" and "Sex Kills." Scorched are the corrupting power of money in "Dog Eat Dog," "No Apologies" and "Passion Play (The Story Of Jesus And Zachius ... The Little Tax Collector)," of advertising and image-making in "Fiction," of televangelists in "Tax Free" (with Steiger delivering the money-grubbing sermon) and of the values of Western culture in "The Three Great Stimulants." A news-specific track is "The Magdalene Laundries," the true story of the horrid conditions suffered by young unwed pregnant Irishwomen who were sent there in decades past. Mitchell's passion leaps from "Slouching Toward Bethlehem," her adaptation of a poem by W.B. Yeats; the eerie "The Beat Of Black Wings," and the tale of hunger in "Ethiopia." Her championing of Native American culture rises from "Lakota," in which Iron Eyes Cody is heard, and its corollary environmental beliefs in her adaptation of the Sons Of The Pioneers' classic "Cool Water" (with Willie Nelson). THE BEGINNING OF SURVIVAL, an optimistic title in itself, concludes on a hopeful note with a song whose title might very well be applied a la Don Quixote attacking the windmills to the influential and inspiring Mitchell -- "Impossible Dreamer." SOURCE Geffen/UMe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 15:42:10 EDT From: Smurfycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: words, words, words David writes: << Coyote chat made me think that a project about JM could beautifully be titled >> Funny, but just today I was thinking that Joni should write and illustrate a book about her personal mythology. "Everywhere I turn, I find that a poet has been there before me." --Sigmund Freud ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 23:27:28 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Correct surname for Joni's Mother In my post earlier today, referring to Joni's mother's 40 scrapbooks of Joni memorabilia, I should have referred to Mrs. Anderson, not "Mrs. Mitchell." Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Best Restaurant Giveaway Ever! Vote for your favorites for a chance to win $1 million! http://local.msn.com/special/giveaway.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 16:44:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Correct surname for Joni's Mother - --- Timothy Spong wrote: > In my post earlier today, referring to Joni's mother's 40 > scrapbooks of > Joni memorabilia, I should have referred to Mrs. Anderson, not "Mrs. > Mitchell." We knew who ya meant. "Myrtle", the one with 6 foot cliffs, err, "drifts" on her lawn.... ;) Em ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:03:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Really nice article/review of T'log http://www.transistornet.com/blmitchell.htm I read this today - since I can't email at work anymore (temp I hope) all I can do is surf...anyway, I found this great piece today, mostly about Travelogue but a pretty good career overview. If you have an extra minute or 2, check it out. Bob NP: The Beatles, "Sexy Sadie" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:41:46 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Free Joni covers Mania! Also stumbled on these covers today - enjoy! Volume # 53 is right around the corner... http://ryanw.dmusic.com/ (People's Parties) http://stars.wustl.edu/~gwilliams/ (A Case Of You) http://www.oel-uno.dk/download.htm (A Case of You) They're all pretty darn good too - sweet! (If somebody can figure out how to capture that first one so it can be burned I would be most grateful!) Bob NP: The Small Faces "Happiness Stan" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:44:26 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: New compilation CD **I'm not sure what this is about - I know Joni wants her work to be heard but I'm not sure I get it. Maybe it's to help sell the Geffen box set or for those who missed Misses. Damn, and I was just cracking a damn joke earlier about her re-re-releasing this stuff...what's up with this? Bob, totally perplexed! NP: Janis, "Down On Me" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 23:25:17 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Alternative MINGUS tracks, our story to date, 100% JC Everyone probably already knows this but maybe some new folks like Em don't, and young folks like Dylan, so here goes. Like a Steely Dan album, the MINGUS tracks were recorded by several groups before Joni decided which ones to release. Here are a few paragraphs from an interview with Leonard Feather of downbeat magazine in the Sept 6th, 1979 issue. - ------------- Feather: You mentioned that on some of the numbers, there were several different versions that had to be left out of the final album, that included a lot of interesting people such as Phil Woods, Gerry Mulligan, etc. How did that coem about, and is there any possibility that those outtakes might eventually be used in some other context? Mitchell: They're in the can. If you laid them out and said, okay, here's four version of the same song, let's choose which one we like the best, you would find some people liked one version better than another and that on one would really agree. So, it came down to my decisionand to my direction. Charles and I differed musically; we shared things but differed in some ways. He had an aversion to electrical instruments [that's the way it appears], and was very much a purist. And while I'm basically an acoustic player so I understand that, I I never was prejudiced against electric instruments; I just don't have any mechanical aptitude. There are too many knobs for me, so I revert back to the simpler form. I know I'm sidestepping your question. Feather: What I'm curious about is, did you make several versions just because you weren't satisfied with each one in turn, or you just wanted to experiment with different ways of approaching the same material? Mitchell: Both of those things are true. The first sessions Charles was present at they were with Jeremy Lubbock, Don Alias, Gerry Mulligan; Stanley Clarke played at one of them. The groove was more there, it was closer to what Charlie wanted, they swung more, and Charlie was a stickler for them to swing. So in some ways they were stronger in that area. Alias is a great drummer; he can really play anything great. So they had a beautiful character to them. In some ways you could even say that I sang better, because the time was so solid. But something happened, something was missing, to me, they could have been cut 20 years ago; they didn't contain something that we know now. And it was so abstract, and since I don't have the language, and owing to a sense of feminine inferiority that comes on me every once in a while when I'm in a position of leading men - every once in a while I get that, coupled with inferiority and illiteracy, you can understand that there can appear a complex from time to time. Especially when I'm looking for something that I can't articulate. There's an abstraction there. So I just kept cutting them over and over with different personnel and when we finally did these things that night, I realized what it was I was looking for - an integral relationship with the band where the band wasn't coupling up into a bass player and a drummer playing off each other, trading licks. That can happen in the best of bands, you know, where cliques develop internally within the band and people are playing for each other's pleasure, and the vocalist, while they are a leader of sorts, is kind of apart from what's going on behind them. I didn't want this to happen, and on these dates I have here, they yanked the downbeat out from underneath me, so that suddenly the thing would be floating and I would be out there all alone - like hang gliding! Especially Shorter - from playing with Miles, I guess - plays so beautifully, not off of a high linear line, not just matching tones, but he plays so brilliantly off of lyrics, because he has such a pictorial mind that he is talking. He's such a metaphorical player. I love the way he related to me. He especially made me feel like an integral band member. So we all seemed to be one organism on this music. I think that's quite unique, even among the great jazz vocalists. They tend to be fronting a track; whereas in this music, we're all mimicking each other, we're shading the tail end of a phrase the way a tone... the tone has breath, people play breathy, even the percussion instruments seem to become breathy. If you look at it you'll see how entwined we are, and that, I thought, was a beautiful accomplishment and something special. Feather: I got some of that feeling on my first listen; but I want to listen again. I don't know how many people listening for the first time will get the full impact. Mitchell: I don't think so; I don't think you can. I've listened to it so many times, I've gone through so many changes about it, it's like quicksilver. It's very dependent on the mood you're in. It'll change on you like a chameleon. It requires many listenings, like good poetry; I think all good art has that quality. It just doesn't stand still, there's nothing static about it. Feather: What do you expect from the album in terms of popular public reaction? Do you think it's commercial - not that that's the objective; but how commercial do you expect it to be? Mitchell: I dare not have any expectations. If I have them, I probably would be disappointed, because I'm very pleased with it. So if I have any expectations, or hope, it would be that people would find it accessible. I think it is, but I know how intimidating great musicianship is to a lot of people; it can awe people and make them feel excluded rather than included; I hope that doesn't happen. I'm talking about within the context of the pop field, not within the context of the jazz idiom at all. I would be surprised if it wasn't well accepted in the jazz world, because it contains all the best elements of that music. It's very spontaneous, creative and fresh. In the pop circles, I have no idea what will happen. I think a lot of it will be helped by just the fact that it's a Joni Mitchell album. Some of the millions of people who have bought your other albums will be a little more open-eared about it than they might normally be, just because it's you. Here's the thing that I intuitively felt. The earlier sessions, while they were more straight ahead in the idiom, people in the pop field were more barricaded to that than they are to this, in that it was so idiomatic, it was blanket jazz to them. Whereas this is something else; you can't really say it's jazz or pop Feather: It doesn't need to be classified... Mitchell: It's not an obviously classified sound, and that will give it a greater chance to be explored. I think by the very nature of the fact that we're indicating everything rather than stating it completely, you'd think that would make it less accessible, but I think in a way it makes it more accessible. Feather: Do you have a title for the album yet? I have so many titles. Today it's called A Chair In The Sky. Although Sue objected to that title at one point and she had good reason for it, in that she didn't want Charles to be remembered as an invalid. But somehow that title seems to suit it the best. It has a lot of meanings for me - I first met Charles up in a Manhattan skyscraper in this chair, and he was a very commanding figure, because he just swallowed the chair up; it was like he was enthroned, very regal. I never looked at him so much like an invalid; it seemed like a regal position. Charles saw a great importance in titling well, especially for non-lyrical music. He felt that that was where you got a chance to make your statement. As a matter of fact, on the projects, that's what he always asked me first: "What's the title of the song?" I always loved the Hissing Of Summer Lawns title, but it was too oblique for most people. Take an afternoon like today when everybody has their sprinklers runningthats what it was about. - ------------- Les has preserved the entire article at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=95 Folks who haven't discovered MINGUS yet, may want to read the full downbeat review at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/downbeat79.html Neil Tesser gave it ***** out of 5 possible. Since Joni seems to be psyched to do sequels, I'd like to see an expanded MINGUS 2-disc set. It would be the original set on Disc 1, and a loosely edited collection on a second disc. She could put some video on the second disc while she's at it. Sincerely, Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 23:32:12 -0400 From: "Lama, Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: "Songs of a Prairie Girl" 100% JC It think a new compilation should have a new verse for a familiar song: "Songs to aging ingrates come, Aging ingrates / I am one." Jim --- jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: >> This idea of putting old wine in a new cask has lots >> of potential for abuse. What if we see this? >> On tap for 2010: Songs For Completists >> >> I guess I seem ungrateful... Catherine McKay said, >And for you, something special: Songs for Ingrates.> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 00:44:55 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: New compilation CD I don't know, I'm starting to think Joni is a little nuts. Maybe she really needs to create product but doesn't have the ability to write or the voice to sing any more, so she's doing reruns. Anyway, I think the re-re-release of this stuff has gone one step over the line. This could be the first Joni product I don't buy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:42:39 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: New compilation CD BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > Mitchell, who co-produced the collection, also contributes her original artwork and a revealing and instructive essay. In addition, the package includes complete lyrics and a copy of the famous 1852 Letter to the President > from Chief Seattle, a philosophical cornerstone of the environmental movement. Oy. There is no record that such a letter ever existed. It is variously dated either 1852 or 1855, and, were it genuine, would almost certainly have been recorded in the national archives. There is no record of it there, or among President Pierces' papers. It is a pretty environmental essay, anyway, apparently drawn from the 1971 writings of a film scriptwriter's fanciful idea of what Chief Seattle might have said in a letter to President Pierce. Washington's State Librarian said: The makers of the film took a little literary license, further changing the speech and making it into a letter to President Franklin Pierce, which has been frequently reprinted. No such letter was ever written by or for Chief Seattle. http://www.synaptic.bc.ca/ejournal/wslibrry.htm http://www.wildsnow.com/articles/chief_seattle/chief_seattle.html The Geffen box marked the first time since Blue that I did not buy a Joni product immediately upon it's release. This compilation, from her weakest period musically, will be the second. It's a shame that they are doing this. A well thought out box set now could give Joni the recognition she so rightly deserves. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 02:17:34 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: May 27 On May 27 the following article was published: 2000: "Joni's New Side Now" - Washington Post (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=517 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 06:55:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: New compilation CD --- BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > I don't know, I'm starting to think Joni is a little > nuts. Maybe she really > needs to create product but doesn't have the ability > to write or the voice to > sing any more, so she's doing reruns. Anyway, I > think the re-re-release of this > stuff has gone one step over the line. This could be > the first Joni product I > don't buy. At amazon.com the Geffen box is $59.98 US. At amazon.ca it's now $189.99 CDN. It used to be about $74-79 CDN, which would be in line with the price in the US. I didn't have the money at the time and even at that, thought it was a bit steep. If I were to buy it from the US, I would have to pay exchange (about 30% I think it is now, more or less) plus duty, probably GST as well (even on something I didn't buy in Canada), so it would probably end up costing about $100 CDN. I realize Joni doesn't control this and have no idea what amazon is up to (they dobut it is one more reason why I absolutely WILL NOT buy the Geffen set. If they do re-re-release this stuff, I think you can guess how excited I will be. Not. If they were to release the Mingus alternate recordings, I WOULD be interested in that. If they were to release a boxed set with previously unrecorded material (stuff that has been treed here), I would buy that too, even if I do have a lot of the treed stuff. I am pissed off. They may be thinking alt Mingus and early previously unrecorded wouldn't sell. What makes them think recycling stuff that has recently already been recycled is going to sell? It doesn't make any sense to me. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 06:18:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: New compilation CD/ HOSL demo? Catherine wrote: > They may be thinking alt Mingus and > early previously unrecorded wouldn't sell. What makes > them think recycling stuff that has recently already > been recycled is going to sell? It doesn't make any > sense to me. so, along these lines, I wanted to ask..where can a person get the HOSL demo I keep hearing about? I am very much wanting to hear that version of "Dreamland". :) thx... Jinger (aka em) ===== .............. "I'm a wheel I'm a wheel, I can roll I can feel, and you can't stop me turning. I'm the sun I'm the sun I can move I can run, but you'll never stop me burning." ...rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 16:59:09 +0200 From: "Ron" Subject: Re: New compilation CD / geffen box hi >>>catherine wrote > At amazon.com the Geffen box is $59.98 US. At................If I were to buy it from the US, I would have to pay exchange (about 30% I think it is now, more or less) plus duty, probably GST as well (even on something I didn't buy in Canada), so it would probably end up i generally buy from village records, who offer the (illegal) perk of not only underdeclaring the value of the parcel, but also mark it as a gift. the result - i save the around 30% duty, plus 14% vat which we pay on imports :-) &btw - they do have the geffen box set there for $59.99. not that i ever plan to buy it unless hell sends me the money when she wins the lotto to pay for her trip to jonifest............. ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:15:17 -0400 (EDT) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: New compilation CD / geffen box I won't be purchasing the new compilation, and I did wait to buy the Geffen box set a long while. How many reissues do we have to get? But I will say that the remaster of the Geffen box set did make the purchase worth while. And I sold the originals (if you can can HDCD's originals) on Ebay and recouped some of the cost. Skeptical Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:42:32 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: THE BEGINNING OF SURVIVAL Finally, a compilation set with teeth! Too bad it's limited to the Geffen releases only. I'm sure that there's plenty more in the canon that would fit the concept, i.e., "Banquet", "Otis and Marlena." Congratulations too, to Joni for including the Chief Seattle letter from 1852. It's one of the most powerful and eloquent pieces ever written about the conflict between the abuse of power and the spirit of nature. When this list was discussing the recent Grammy nominations, I wrote that I thought that the T'Log arrangement of "Woodstock" was the only recorded piece I could think of that linked Chief Seattle (this letter) and Lyndon Johnson (escalation in Vietnam). Who says Joni isn't writing? If she co-produced this set as stated, she's still working harder than ever. This is a volume of short stories compiled to devastating effect. Apart from some of the eerily prescient poetry, the sensibility in distilling her body work to support so worthy a concept in this election year may yet qualify her a prophet. CC "Hoping and hoping as if by my weak faith, the spirit of this world would heal and rise." -- JM (by Yeates) _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with the new version of MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:51:11 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: THE BEGINNING OF SURVIVAL Sorry folks, That should have read, "distilling her BODY OF WORK." Personally, I've always thought the HOSL vintage of Joni's BODY WORK was particularly good. Sheepishly, CC _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:58:27 -0500 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Weepy Smurph/Jonifest Smurphy admitted: My pal Julius Mills and I do a killer imitation of the star-crossed Rosenbergs. Our performance has been called "electrifying." And Alison Einerson, who has apparently abandoned this list, does a very mean Roy Cohn -- when she's not too busy watching her mother! And Donna bemoaned: Bob Murphy, enquiring minds want to know if you, Julius and Allison will be at Jonifest 2004?? We need the star-crossed Rosenbergs and as many Ethel Merman impersonators as possible! Kay Ashley that means you too! Well I've resorted to naming names now... That said, this is a gentle reminder that ALL DEPOSITS AND BALANCES FOR JONIFEST 2004 ARE DUE BY JUNE 15TH!!!!! Our numbers so far are low so I am hoping a lot more of you are planning to come and just haven't gotten around to signing up yet. If so get on board as soon as you can! Don't miss it, let's make this the Best Fest ever. Make your reservations for Jonifest 2004 today! Here is a link to the JMDL website for your convenience. www.jmdl.com Love, Donna This message has been scanned by the E250. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 21:24:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: New compilation CD / geffen box --- Ron wrote: > hi >> i generally buy from village records, who offer the > (illegal) perk of not > only underdeclaring the value of the parcel, but > also mark it as a gift. > > the result - i save the around 30% duty, plus 14% > vat which we pay on > imports :-) > > &btw - they do have the geffen box set there for > $59.99. not that i ever > plan to buy it unless hell sends me the money when > she wins the lotto to pay > for her trip to jonifest............. I'm with you on the Geffen box set. I don't want it badly enough. I am intrigued by the "gift" thing though. I don't understand how MY country can charge me tax (two kinds of tax) on something I purchase from or in another country. I'm on the verge of writing a Canadian election/political rant to keep up with the Americans and to bore the shit out of the rest of the world, I am THAT fed up with the BS going down here in this country. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 22:14:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Free Joni covers Mania! --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Also stumbled on these covers today - enjoy! > Volume # 53 is right around the corner... > > http://ryanw.dmusic.com/ (People's Parties) > > http://stars.wustl.edu/~gwilliams/ (A Case Of You) > > http://www.oel-uno.dk/download.htm (A Case of You) > > They're all pretty darn good too - sweet! > > (If somebody can figure out how to capture that > first one so it can be burned > I would be most grateful!) > Go to the orange button. It's a download button. Right-click and "save target as." It worked for me. ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 19:26:15 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Joni Mitchell Show at American Conservatory Theatre in SF This is from a friend of mine who works at ACT (a repertory theater in SF). I don't know much about it other than what is on the web page, but I will be going! Mike - ----------------------------------- http://act-sf.org/index.cfm?s_id=&pid=tkt_zeu_jon This link has a nice photo of Mitchell I've not seen before. http://act-sf.org/index.cfm?s_id=&pid=tkt_zeu_jon And finally a press release describing the show: For Immediate Release A.C.T. Young Conservatory Presents World Premiere Musical Theater Piece Ladies of the Canyon: The Music of Joni Mitchell World Premiere Musical Theater Piece at Zeum Theater June 419 SAN FRANCISCO, CA, April 30, 2004  American Conservatory Theaters Young Conservatory (YC) presents Ladies of the Canyon: The Music of Joni Mitchell, created and directed by YC Director Craig Slaight, with musical direction by Krista Wigle and musical arrangements by Naomi Sanchez. This world premiere production will open June 5 at 7:30 p.m. and run through June 19, with two preview performances June 4 at 7:30 p.m. and June 5 at 2 p.m. All performances will be held at Zeum Theater at Yerba Buena Gardens, located at the corner of Fourth and Howard streets in San Francisco (parking is available at the Fifth and Mission garage). Tickets are $7.50$15, and are available by calling 415.749.2228, online at www.act-sf.org, or at the door. Ladies of the Canyon features an all-female cast performing 24 classic Joni Mitchell songs, including Both Sides Now, Big Yellow Taxi, Help Me, Woodstock, Free Man in Paris, and The Circle Game. Singing solo and in full ensemble, the cast will address some of Mitchells most emotionally complex work. The piece contains no spoken text, and each song constitutes its own dramatic scene. "I was drawn to Joni Mitchell by her immense skills as a musician and poet, says Slaight. She takes her listeners on a youthful journey of exploration and reflection, all the while infusing her songs with an intense, compact emotional life. Her music is universal, ageless, and the perfect source for dramatic interpretation. Slaight and Wigle developed Ladies of the Canyon with special permission from Joni Mitchell as part of the YCs New Plays Program. This program has focused on creating theatrical explorations of the works of contemporary composers with the goal of creating pieces that look at the world through youthful eyes. Prior works created for this series include Dangling Conversations: The Music of Simon and Garfunkel and last seasons Forever Young: The Music of Bob Dylan, which was staged at Zeum Theater and at Londons prestigious National Theatre. Joni Mitchell has remained at the forefront of singer/songwriters since the 1960s. Born in Fort Macleod, Alberta, Canada, she taught herself the guitar and became a favorite on the regional folk scene. After marrying Chuck Mitchell in 1965, Mitchell moved to Detroit, Michigan. There her marriage soon fell apart, but her career took a giant leap forward, taking her to New York City and the top of the Greenwich Village folk scene, along with her contemporary, Bob Dylan. In 1967 she recorded her self-titled debut album, produced by David Crosby of Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young. She followed this up with Clouds, Ladies of the Canyon, and her landmark album Blue. Commercial success eluded her until the 1970s when she recorded her first hit single, You Turn Me On, Im a Radio. A string of successful albums followed, including Court and Spark, Miles of Aisles, The Hissing of Summer Lawns, and Hejira, considered by many to be her masterpiece. The next stage in her career found Mitchell developing a style that included not only folk but also jazz, rock, and world music. While many fans disapproved of her migration away from her folk roots, she won a new generation of admirers with her 1994 GRAMMY.-winning album, Turbulent Indigo. Mitchell has won a total of five GRAMMY. awards, was the recipient of the 2002 Recording Academy. Lifetime Achievement and the Billboard Century awards, and is a member of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. A multi-talented artist, Mitchell has focused increasingly in recent years on her painting. The ensemble of Ladies of the Canyon features both seasoned Young Conservatory performers and those making their Zeum Theater debut. The cast includes Dillan Arrick of San Francisco, a freshman at San Francisco University High School; Adde Bigelow of San Francisco, a junior at French American International High School; Hannah Finnie of Berkeley, a sophomore in the Berkeley Independent Studies program; Lucia Grahamjones of Berkeley, a junior at Berkeley High School; Sarah Grandin of San Francisco, a sophomore at San Francisco University High School; Emily Iscoff-Daigian of San Francisco, a junior at The Urban School; Scout Katovich of Oakland, a freshman at College Preparatory School; Julia Mattison of San Francisco, a freshman at San Francisco University High School; Rachel Rubenstein of San Francisco, a sophomore at Lick-Wilmerding High School; and Charlotte Ubben of San Francisco, a freshman at Drew College Preparatory School. The set design is by Dean Shibuya; the lighting design is by A.C.T. Lighting Design Associate Kimberly J. Scott. Charles Filipov is the assistant director. The A.C.T. Young Conservatory offers a broad range of theater training for young people aged 8 to 19. The four sessions offered throughout the year are designed to develop talent and creativity, as well as communication and cooperation skills for young people with all levels of theater background. Working professional actors and directors lead students in a spectrum of classes, including acting, directing, voice and speech, musical theater, audition, and improvisation. Call 415.439.2444 for applications and information. A.C.T.s second stage at Zeum Theater, a venue distinct from the Geary Theater, is dedicated to the development of new works, new forms, and new artists. A.C.T.@Zeum was launched in October 2001 with the A.C.T. Master of Fine Arts (M.F.A.) Programs first-ever staging of Marc Blitzsteins No for an Answer, directed by A.C.T. Artistic Director Carey Perloff. This unprecedented community partnership gives A.C.T. an additional stage for readings, workshops, rehearsals, and other aspects of new play and production development and is the current home for the Young Conservatory New Plays Program. PHOTO EDITORS, PLEASE NOTE: New images of Joni Mitchell are now available on the A.C.T. Web site, www.act-sf.org. Thank you. CALENDAR EDITORS PLEASE NOTE: THE A.C.T. YOUNG CONSERVATORY PRESENTS Ladies of the Canyon: The Music of Joni Mitchell Created and directed by Craig Slaight Musical direction by Krista Wigle Music adaptation by Naomi Sanchez Previews: June 4 at 7:30 p.m. and June 5 at 2 p.m. Opening: June 5 at 7:30 p.m. Performances: June 6, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 16, 17, 18, and 19 at 7:30 p.m. June 6, 12, 13, and 19 at 2 p.m. Audience exchange to follow all matinees. Location: Zeum Theater at Yerba Buena Gardens, at the corner of Howard and Fourth streets. (Parking is available at the Fifth and Mission garage.) Tickets: $15 general admission; $12 A.C.T. subscribers; $10 students, full-time teachers, and seniors, with valid ID; $7.50 for student rush tickets, available at the door on the night of the performance. Tickets can be purchased in advance through the Geary Theater Box Office, 405 Geary Street, 415.749.2228, or online at www.act-sf.org (no discounts available online). Cash-only tickets can also be purchased at the door on the night of the performance. CONTACT: Scott Walton (415) 439-2362; swalton@act-sf.org Jon Wolanske (415) 439-2418; jwolanske@act-sf.org ==================================================== "Heart and humor, and humility, he said, will lighten up your heavy load." - --Joni Mitchell, 'Refuge of the Roads,' from "Hejira", 1976 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 20:01:58 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Show at American Conservatory Theatre in SF Finally!! Mike, you are blessed! Thank you for bringing us this news!! Fabulousness! ~Richard - ------------ >Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 19:26:15 -0700 >From: Mike Friedman >Subject: Joni Mitchell Show at American Conservatory Theatre in SF > >This is from a friend of mine who works at ACT (a repertory theater in >SF). I don't know much about it other than what is on the web page, but >I will be going! > >Mike >- ----------------------------------- >http://act-sf.org/index.cfm?s_id=&pid=tkt_zeu_jon > >This link has a nice photo of Mitchell I've not seen before. > >http://act-sf.org/index.cfm?s_id=&pid=tkt_zeu_jon > >And finally a press release describing the show: > >For Immediate Release > >A.C.T. Young Conservatory Presents World Premiere Musical Theater Piece >Ladies of the Canyon: The Music of Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 02:04:29 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: May 28 On May 28 the following articles were published: 1995: "Music Icon Joni Mitchell Discusses Her Music" - NPR Weekend Edition (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1019 1998: "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" - Bay Area Reporter (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=47 1998: "Reviews vs. Previews" - Gate (Review - Concert, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=331 2000: "Joni Mitchell Brings Up Standards" - Detroit Free Press (Concert Preview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=913 2000: "Joni Mitchell Sets Elegant Standards" - Hartford Courant (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=518 2000: "Mitchell Brings up Standards" - Detroit News (Concert Preview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=634 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #148 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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