From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #146 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, May 25 2004 Volume 2004 : Number 146 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re:Joni dream-facelift ["Sherelle Smith" ] a great Joni mention! ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: do the HOSL! [Mike Friedman ] Re: a great Joni mention! [Randy Remote ] TV Crushes & Significant Other Joni Haters [Lindsay Moon ] Re: woo hoo!!!!!! [Catherine McKay ] Re: woo hoo!!!!!! ["hell" ] Re: woo hoo!!!!!! [Doug ] Re: woo hoo!!!!!! [=?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= ] Today's Library Links: May 25 [ljirvin@jmdl.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 12:49:15 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re:Joni dream-facelift Dear Laurent, Your last sentence was one of the most beautiful and most profound I have ever read...thank you... Sherelle I had a Joni dream last night: I was setting up for a gig with my band in Pasadena (??? actually the real upcoming gig is near Paris). All of a sudden she shows up and I discover she's also a performer that night. So I go to her and say: "look, we're just a bunch of amateurs, you don't want to listen to us for 3 hours, I'm afraid you might get bored and leave without performing. Will you take our place?". She agrees. (Needless to say, we were not going to play after Joni!) I remember at first I was looking at her from the back side, and she looked like she does today. But when I went to speak with her and saw her from the front, her face was actually the cover of Clouds, with big blue eyes and no wrinkles. I suppose one always sees loved ones as they were when we first met them. So being loved is the best facelift. Laurent _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 18:49:30 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: a great Joni mention! Don't you just love it when Joni's name pops up in the least-expected places? Saturday's "Hartford Courant" had an op-ed piece written by a high school sophomore (Jennifer Longworth) entitled: "A Generation Oblivious to Women's Rights". It was was well-written and I was pleased to see that feminism isn't dead in high school. Imagine my extra delight when I read THESE lines: "....Janet Jackson knew that Justin was going to make the motion to grab for her breast. Janet Jackson publicly let herself be disrespected. Women treat themselves like sex objects. This probably wouldn't have happened in the '70s. Can you imagine Bob Dylan trying to grope Joni Mitchell? Our society is in a state of decadence...." (http://www.ctnow.com/news/opinion/op_ed/hc-freshlongworth0522.artmay22,1,6322826.story?coll=hc-headlines-oped) Joni lives, and so do women's rights! Yay! And really, can you IMAGINE this EVER happening with Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell? It is just so laughably and ridiculously IMPOSSIBLE! Peace, Patti _________________________________________________________________ Stop worrying about overloading your inbox - get MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 16:24:00 -0700 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: do the HOSL! Glad to hear that you liked Hissing, Em. It's really quite something. I get new things out of it every time I listen to it and the layering and innovative arrangements (that still sound fresh 30 years on) are really amazing. I truly think this is one of Mitchell's greatest contributions to modern pop music. Her arrangements can be 30-35 years old and they could be released by Alanis Morrisette or Shawn Colvin today and no one would blink an eye. So much pop music of the 60s and 70s is highly dated sounding now (which isn't the same thing as being bad) but Mitchell's 70s music in particular is amazing in both its simplicity and complexity. Mike PS "Do the Hustle" made me think of the lovely silver "Disco Pinto" I saw in the Long Beach gay Pride parade yesterday. It was a Ford Pinto (remember those, children?) COVERED in mirror tiles, and accompanied by clone boys on roller skates. Absolutely hilarious. On May 21, 2004, at 10:19 AM, Lori Fye wrote: > Jamie, I love your analysis and description of DJRD! (And I love that > you're > posting a lot again too!) > > Em, I so thrilled that you like HOSL! And your subject line cracked > me up ... > although of course the refrain from "Do the Hustle" has been stuck in > my head > since this morning, dammit. : ) > >> My brain just won't "absorb" DJRD. As George Carlin says, "it goes >> straight to my colon"! >> Lori!!!!! I'm so sorry! maybe with time.... > > Hey Em, *no apologies* necessary! As Bob said, we don't all have to > like the > same things. Wait 'til you listen to Dog Eat Dog and then get into > THAT > discussion! > > Besides, you have to remember that Hejira was my first Joni album. > DJRD was a > natural for me, especially given these two facts: > > a) At the time DJRD was released, I was living on the borders of > North Dakota, > Montana, and Saskatchewan -- smack in the midst of Paprika Plains > (Buck was > there with me), and > > b) I was heavily into reading Carlos Castaneda's books about the > Yaqui sorcerer > Don Juan Mateus, and "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" felt way > synchronous with > my life at that point. > > If DJRD never grows on you, that's okay. Otoh, some folks have > rediscovered it > 25 years after first hearing it. > > I believe things come to you as you need them. > > Lori > > ==================================================== "See, the human mind is like a...pinata. Break it open, and there's a lot of surprises inside. Once you get the pinata perspective, you see that losing your mind can be a peak experience." - --Trudy (Lily Tomlin) from "The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe" Mike Friedman San Francisco, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 18:30:00 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: a great Joni mention! Patti Parlette wrote: > Saturday's "Hartford Courant" had an op-ed piece written by a high school > sophomore (Jennifer Longworth) entitled: "A Generation Oblivious to Women's > Rights". It was was well-written and I was pleased to see that feminism > isn't dead in high school. > > Imagine my extra delight when I read THESE lines: > > "....Janet Jackson knew that Justin was going to make the motion to grab for > her breast. Janet Jackson publicly let herself be disrespected. Women > treat themselves like sex objects. This probably wouldn't have happened in > the '70s. Can you imagine Bob Dylan trying to grope Joni Mitchell? Hmmm....I can imagine Neil Young doing something like that onstage at the Last Waltz : ) And he wasn't even governor! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 18:29:41 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: TV Crushes & Significant Other Joni Haters Okay, I'm late on the first thread but have really enjoyed it. Sad that the older I get the more I find myself thinking about stuff that was going on when I was a kid in a nostalgic way when at the time it probably wasn't that meaningful to me. My TV crushes were Robert Wagner on "It Takes a Thief" (oh! those gorgeous double-breasted blazers!), Chad Everett on "Medical Center" and Robert Conrad on "Wild, Wild West." Females I loved were Ann Francis who played Honey West and I liked Angie Dickinson as Pepper on whatever cop show that was. And of course Diana Rigg in Avengers. Significant others who hated Joni: I had a boyfriend who was a Jimmy Buffett fan and I was big into Joni whom he detested and teased about (whining an imitation of Ladies of the Canyon or the warbling at the end of Woodstock). I will say after we broke up he appeared with my WTRF poster which he'd framed for me and I still have it hanging today. My husband loves heavy metal and tries to understand Joni. He's been patient enough to sit through almost every Joni video I own. He agrees she's an outstanding musician but I think the lyrics confound him sometimes. I pointed the line out "There are some lines you put there / and some you erased" and he didn't get it. Well, what can I say? I'm the English appreciator in the family and he's the math guy. Everytime the kids ask a science/math question, my response is "I don't know. Maybe Daddy would know." Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 20:08:46 -0500 From: Kate Subject: woo hoo!!!!!! I get the digest, so you've probably already heard this news -- but I was just handed a Saturday Saskatoon StarPhoenix with an article about Our Joan, and the last paragraph is this: "Saskatchewan will be hearing plenty from Mitchell in the next year. She's working on two albums as 'curator,' organizing her work into themes. One of those albums, Songs of a Prairie Girl, will feature songs about the province for the centennial next year." I'm sorry I don't have time to type it up for you and can't track it on the webpage, am off to BC tomorrow, family business. Kate du Nord Grey Day http://xoetc.antville.org Who does she think she is, Anaos Nin? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 22:36:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: woo hoo!!!!!! --- Kate wrote: > I get the digest, so you've probably already heard > this news -- but I was > just handed a Saturday Saskatoon StarPhoenix with an > article about Our Joan, > and the last paragraph is this: > > "Saskatchewan will be hearing plenty from Mitchell > in the next year. She's > working on two albums as 'curator,' organizing her > work into themes. One of > those albums, Songs of a Prairie Girl, will feature > songs about the province > for the centennial next year." > > I'm sorry I don't have time to type it up for you > and can't track it on the > webpage, am off to BC tomorrow, family business. > Kate, I don't think anyone did mention this particular thing, so thanks for posting it. I went and checked the StarPhoenix site, and sure enough, found the article, which I've copied below (no need to type) from http://www.canada.com/saskatoon/starphoenix/news/archives/story.html?id=8208f521-2e7d-477f-9e84-abbee363727c Ideas 'honour' Joni Mitchell Rod Nickel The StarPhoenix Saturday, May 22, 2004 Legendary musician and artist Joni Mitchell says she feels "honoured" by plans to build a Saskatoon attraction in her name, with at least two suitors now courting her. The StarPhoenix has learned the Mendel Art Gallery has asked Mitchell to lend her name and paintings to a wing of the gallery, which will undergo a major expansion following a fundraising campaign. A separate group has already gone public with its idea for a cultural centre bearing Mitchell's name on the Gathercole site, likely housing a new performance theatre and a room of mementos and photographs illustrating her musical history. "If the town would warrant that much Joni Mitchell, I don't know," she said, laughing, in an exclusive interview with The StarPhoenix during a visit to the city. "You'd have to sit down and figure out who gets what. "It's wonderful. I'm honoured." The Saskatoon suitors have a rival in the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA), which has asked Mitchell about featuring her academic papers. "I'm getting old, so people are starting to be interested," she reasons. "I'm beginning to get requests of that nature. (Saskatoon) is the logical place as far as I'm concerned "If there's an interest here, we need to talk. . . . It's wide open." Mitchell has never been shy about celebrating her roots. She moved with her family to Saskatoon at age nine. Local symbols like the South Saskatchewan River, the Bessborough hotel and the provincial flower adorn one of her album covers. "My time spent here was wonderful," she said. "The educators I met here were great. I made great friends here who I've kept. Definitely it is the place to receive all this." Mendel director and CEO Terry Graff is coy about the gallery's expansion plans. "We have something very exciting in the works related to Joni Mitchell, but we're not ready to reveal it yet." Mitchell has close connections to the gallery. The Mendel family's collection first inspired Mitchell to become a visual artist, Graff said. In 2000, a show of Mitchell's art became a tourism blockbuster for the gallery. In attracting many international visitors, the exhibition proved Saskatoon isn't "too remote" to become an attraction, Mitchell said. She acknowledges the challenge of planning two like-themed attractions. "It's kind of confusing to me. I feel split in two parts of the town. "If the (Mendel) planned to display the paintings in an atmosphere of the music, then what would the centre display?" The cultural centre is a less fully formed idea than the Mendel's gallery expansion. Between the two projects, Mitchell said three arts -- her music, art and poetry -- could be featured and intertwined. Mitchell's collections of Indian baskets and art as well as clothing created by a Japanese designer and her mother's 40 scrapbooks could help fill the south downtown centre, she suggests. It should take an educational approach and encourage "the creativity of youth," she said. "You could make two venues work as long as you figure out where the emphasis is." The city is planning to demolish the 73-year-old Gathercole building to make room for the cultural centre, a hotel, restaurant and condos. Mitchell, who studied at the old technical collegiate for one year, is unmoved that its end may be near. "It wasn't one of the buildings that had a lot of historic beauty to it," she said. "You could probably make a modern structure that would function better." Saskatchewan will be hearing plenty from Mitchell in the next year. She's working on two albums as "curator," organizing her work into themes. One of those albums, Songs of a Prairie Girl, will feature songs about the province for the centennial next year. ) The StarPhoenix (Saskatoon) 2004 ===== Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We all live so close to that line, and so far from satisfaction ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 14:48:56 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: woo hoo!!!!!! Catherine wrote (or rather, forwarded to the list): > Saskatchewan will be hearing plenty from Mitchell in > the next year. She's working on two albums as > "curator," organizing her work into themes. One of > those albums, Songs of a Prairie Girl, will feature > songs about the province for the centennial next year. So do we think this is "new" Joni, or another compilation of already recorded work? The way it says "organising her work into themes" seems to imply it's a compilation, but then how many songs about the province has she written? In any case, these projects are certainly going to bring her into the news a little more in the coming months, and that can only be a good thing, as far as I'm concerned! Hell - in cold, wet, miserable Auckland! - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman Hell's Pages - a WHOLE NEW EXPERIENCE! http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 22:46:51 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: woo hoo!!!!!! Here is the complete article: http://www.canada.com/saskatoon/starphoenix/news/story.html?id=8208f521-2e7d-477f-9e84-abbee363727c Ideas 'honour' Joni Mitchell Rod Nickel The StarPhoenix Saturday, May 22, 2004 Legendary musician and artist Joni Mitchell says she feels "honoured" by plans to build a Saskatoon attraction in her name, with at least two suitors now courting her. The StarPhoenix has learned the Mendel Art Gallery has asked Mitchell to lend her name and paintings to a wing of the gallery, which will undergo a major expansion following a fundraising campaign. A separate group has already gone public with its idea for a cultural centre bearing Mitchell's name on the Gathercole site, likely housing a new performance theatre and a room of mementos and photographs illustrating her musical history. "If the town would warrant that much Joni Mitchell, I don't know," she said, laughing, in an exclusive interview with The StarPhoenix during a visit to the city. "You'd have to sit down and figure out who gets what. "It's wonderful. I'm honoured." The Saskatoon suitors have a rival in the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA), which has asked Mitchell about featuring her academic papers. "I'm getting old, so people are starting to be interested," she reasons. "I'm beginning to get requests of that nature. (Saskatoon) is the logical place as far as I'm concerned "If there's an interest here, we need to talk. . . . It's wide open." Mitchell has never been shy about celebrating her roots. She moved with her family to Saskatoon at age nine. Local symbols like the South Saskatchewan River, the Bessborough hotel and the provincial flower adorn one of her album covers. "My time spent here was wonderful," she said. "The educators I met here were great. I made great friends here who I've kept. Definitely it is the place to receive all this." Mendel director and CEO Terry Graff is coy about the gallery's expansion plans. "We have something very exciting in the works related to Joni Mitchell, but we're not ready to reveal it yet." Mitchell has close connections to the gallery. The Mendel family's collection first inspired Mitchell to become a visual artist, Graff said. In 2000, a show of Mitchell's art became a tourism blockbuster for the gallery. In attracting many international visitors, the exhibition proved Saskatoon isn't "too remote" to become an attraction, Mitchell said. She acknowledges the challenge of planning two like-themed attractions. "It's kind of confusing to me. I feel split in two parts of the town. "If the (Mendel) planned to display the paintings in an atmosphere of the music, then what would the centre display?" The cultural centre is a less fully formed idea than the Mendel's gallery expansion. Between the two projects, Mitchell said three arts -- her music, art and poetry -- could be featured and intertwined. Mitchell's collections of Indian baskets and art as well as clothing created by a Japanese designer and her mother's 40 scrapbooks could help fill the south downtown centre, she suggests. It should take an educational approach and encourage "the creativity of youth," she said. "You could make two venues work as long as you figure out where the emphasis is." The city is planning to demolish the 73-year-old Gathercole building to make room for the cultural centre, a hotel, restaurant and condos. Mitchell, who studied at the old technical collegiate for one year, is unmoved that its end may be near. "It wasn't one of the buildings that had a lot of historic beauty to it," she said. "You could probably make a modern structure that would function better." Saskatchewan will be hearing plenty from Mitchell in the next year. She's working on two albums as "curator," organizing her work into themes. One of those albums, Songs of a Prairie Girl, will feature songs about the province for the centennial next year. ) The StarPhoenix (Saskatoon) 2004 Kate wrote: >I get the digest, so you've probably already heard this news -- but I was >just handed a Saturday Saskatoon StarPhoenix with an article about Our Joan, >and the last paragraph is this: > >"Saskatchewan will be hearing plenty from Mitchell in the next year. She's >working on two albums as 'curator,' organizing her work into themes. One of >those albums, Songs of a Prairie Girl, will feature songs about the province >for the centennial next year." > >I'm sorry I don't have time to type it up for you and can't track it on the >webpage, am off to BC tomorrow, family business. > >Kate du Nord > >Grey Day >http://xoetc.antville.org >Who does she think she is, Anaos Nin? > >. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 04:50:50 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Jamie=20Zubairi?= Subject: Re: woo hoo!!!!!! Let's see... songs about the prairies Cherokee Louise Tea Leaf Prophecy (about the gipsy her mother met in the hotel) Just Like This Train ( I can't imagine her taking a train ride in the US?) Coyote Song For Sharon Paprika Plains Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Ray's Dad's Cadillac (her teacher) Turbulent Indigo (ok so this was written about the women there) A Case Of You (does Oh CanadaaaaAAAAAAHHHH count?) Crazy Cries of Love Chinese Cafe Harlem In Havana Love Puts On A New Face Day By Day (which she wrote on the way to Mariposa) Facelift Dreamland (not because it mentions Canada but Myrtle's lawn, which *must* be in Saskatoon) (ok so I've widened the scope a little bit, we have a few to go on) Much Joni Jamie Zoob (who's thinking, 'this is another compilation, isn't it?' and going to be slightly disappointed if it nothing new) hell wrote: The way it says "organising her work into themes" seems to imply it's a compilation, but then how many songs about the province has she written? /~hell/index.html Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 00:25:06 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Wilson Phillips Subject: Re: Joni &Wilson Phillips **two Jonis on the album - including the one we obviously expect on an album of California music** Hey Vince - thanks for the mention, this one comes out Tuesday. There's only one Joni cover on it though, the title track, which is cool because that song doesn't get much coverage. Bob One critic has already written that WP "should be brought up on charges" because of the California cover. I do find their harmonies to be bland enough to simultaneously inspire drowsiness and irritation. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 14:30:56 +1000 (EST) From: Gerald McNamara Subject: Australian Award for Joni (...sort of) Last night Joni won her first award from APRA (Australian Performing Rights Association) courtesy of Counting Crows whose version of BYT received the prize for Most Performed Foreign Work for the last year. This is because their recording of the song was played (mostly on radio, but also in shopping malls, etc) more times in public in Australia than any other non-Australian song. Also winning an award was local singer John Paul Young whose song "Love Is In The Air" was the most-played overseas. -Gerald ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 02:01:57 -0400 From: ljirvin@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Library Links: May 25 On May 25 the following articles were published: 1998: "Triumph of a Triple Threat" - Los Angeles Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=148 2000: "One Side Now" - Hartford Courant (Concert Preview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=585 2003: "You ain't nothin' but a Hound doc" - Toronto Star (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1078 2004: "Song award gets back to unlikely rocker's roots" - Australian (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/view.cfm?id=1154 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2004 #146 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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